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#debian IRC Logs for 2017-11-09

---Logopened Thu Nov 09 00:00:15 2017
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00:03-!-bony is "Bhuvan Krishna,,," on #debian-mentors #debian @#swecha @#eswecha @#balaswecha #freedombox
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00:22-!-Strife1989 is "Michael Carr" on #debian #debian-next
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00:48-!-grindhold is "grindhold" on #tor #msys2 #zwiebelfreunde #debian #https-everywhere #debian-next
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01:06-!-infinity0_ is "unset" on #debian #debian-mentors #debconf #debian-science #debian-rust #debian-mozext #reproducible-funding #binary-transparency #reproducible-builds #debian-reproducible #debian-privacy-tools #debian-gnupg #alioth #noisysq #otr #monkeysphere #cryptoparty #tor-project #tor
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01:56-!-holmgren is "Magnus Holmgren" on @#debian-se #debian-mentors #debconf #debian
01:56<birdman88>why doesnt my netgear usb wifi adapter work? I have a wired connection through the wireless of my laptop but cant get wlan0 connection? can anyone help
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05:14<uso>The X server in stretch seems to have no more -dpi option. How do I set the DPI now (for use with startx)?
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05:16<uso>related question: Is there any good guide how to setup and configure stretch for a high-DPI display?
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05:17<chaucer>Why are tor users blocked from this channel?
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05:21<shibumi>chaucer: because of spam
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05:26<petn-randall>chaucer: They aren't they just need to register with OFTC.
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07:06<lpouzenc>@duz0 could you try a live version of D9 on your setup ?
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07:12<duz0>yes, but I can `t upgrade to debian 9 right now anyway
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07:17<ThCTLo>hai, is there anyone how can help me e bit with an nfsv4 problem.
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07:21<petn-randall>!ask
07:21<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
07:21<petn-randall>ThCTLo: ^^^
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07:22<ThCTLo>ok.. im settting up nfsv4 with kerberos, mounts etc works fine. spn's are set ok etc.
07:22<ThCTLo>but i only see nobody/nogroup
07:22<ThCTLo>now, this is a know bug, for that im created my own package libnfsidmap 0.27
07:23<ThCTLo>but still no go.
07:23<ThCTLo>debian stretch
07:23<petn-randall>,v libnfsidmap
07:23<judd>No package named 'libnfsidmap' was found in amd64.
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07:23<ThCTLo>lbinfsidmap2
07:23<ThCTLo>libnfsidmap2
07:23<petn-randall>,v libnfsidmap2
07:23<judd>Package: libnfsidmap2 on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.25-4; jessie: 0.25-5; buster: 0.25-5.1; sid: 0.25-5.1; stretch: 0.25-5.1
07:23<ThCTLo> libnfsidmap2 0.27-0.1~deb9
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07:24<ThCTLo>own package.
07:24<ThCTLo>the buildlogs if you want, but this one is ok. hxxp://downloads.van-belle.nl/samba4/Buildlogs/stretch-experimental/
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07:25<ThCTLo>these are the problem bugs : #581199 #744768
07:25<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/581199 in libnfsidmap2 (open, patch): «libnfsidmap2: Virtual domains/users handling with at sign in idmap»; severity: normal; opened: 2010-05-11; last modified: 2017-11-01.
07:25<ThCTLo>yes, i tried the patch also, im the last comment there.
07:26<ThCTLo>looked fine, but it did not resolve the problem.
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07:27<ThCTLo>one of the problems, when unmasking nfs-common, i keep getting, : Failed to enable unit: Unit file /lib/systemd/system/nfs-common.service is masked
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07:28<ThCTLo>even after full remove and reinstall.
07:28<ThCTLo>im lost.. :-(
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07:31<ThCTLo>and ive review the setup based on : https://wiki.debian.org/NFS/Kerberos but i do this agains samba4
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07:51<thomas>Register
07:52<thomas>Hello
07:52<thomas>I have an issue
07:52<thomas>who can help me_
07:52<jm_>!ask
07:52<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
07:53<thomas>Thanks
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08:12<cpaelzer>Hi, I'm unsure on filing bugs properly for a special case - I know I need a complex discussion so I want to hold it in one place
08:12<cpaelzer>but at the same time I know that it will have to end up in changes in two packages
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08:13<cpaelzer>so I wonder if opening a bug + clone (the usual way for fix needed in two packages) is appropriate
08:13<cpaelzer>is there a better thing to do?
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08:15<cpaelzer>I thought about pkg devel ML of one and the maintainer of the other on CC?
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08:21<thomas>I have a problem: I'm running Debian Version 9.2 on VirtualBox, when I restart or turn off the computer, the following message appears: (1 of 2) a stop job is running for.... of user Debian-Gdb (x-sec/y-min), however before turning off or restarting I make sure there are no applications running, how can I solve this?
08:22<DividedByZero>cpaelzer: then just file a bug
08:23<cpaelzer>DividedByZero: ok will start that way and ping the related people by mail to be aware, thanks
08:23<petn-randall>cpaelzer: Usually it's enough to file a bug with one of the packages, and mentioning it needs coordination. DDs usually talk to each other.
08:23<petn-randall>cpaelzer: There's no need to ping them separately via mail.
08:24<cpaelzer>ok, I'll try and see then, thanks petn-randall
08:24<petn-randall>cpaelzer: Though you can add the 2nd maintainer in CC when filing a bug with 'reportbug'.
08:24<cpaelzer>that sounds good
08:25<cpaelzer>and it would keep all local to the bug which is transparent
08:25<cpaelzer>thx
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11:57<a2341123211432>hola
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11:59<a2341123211432>hoa
11:59<user12e32>hello
11:59<a2341123211432>hi
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12:00<a2341123211432>do you know hacking
12:00<user12e32>no
12:00<a2341123211432>wee
12:00<a2341123211432>what a pity
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12:01<user12e32>learn how to script is a start?
12:01<a2341123211432>?
12:01<petn-randall>a2341123211432: Are you running Parrot or Kali?
12:01<user12e32>to start hacking?
12:01<a2341123211432>no scriptin
12:02<a2341123211432>its for newbies
12:02<user12e32>i dont know how to code
12:02<a2341123211432>if you learn how to script first, then you are able to hack wisely, but the kali features are better than scripting
12:02<petn-randall>Do you two have a Debian support question? If not, there are better channels for chatting.
12:02<petn-randall>!ot
12:02<dpkg>#debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
12:02<retrospectacus>http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html
12:03<a2341123211432>bye i must go
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12:29<jhutchins>Aah children.
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14:04<gage>Hello. I'm having difficulties getting a kernel module for this old netbooks graphics working
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14:05<pedro1>gage: lspci | grep -i graphics
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14:06<gage>Is there anyone here with experience getting gma500 graphics working or installing the intel emgd driver from the launchpad ppa?
14:06<pedro1>Ah gma500
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14:06<pedro1>I wish you good luck
14:07<pedro1>gage: if no-one gives you better advice, try https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Intel_GMA_500
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14:07<gage>Haha thanks. Pedro that command tells me I'm using poulsbo graphics, but video is so slow it doesn't even deliver a frame/second
14:08<gage>Arch is what I normally use, but it no longer wants to install on i686?
14:08<blast007>gage: the arch wiki tends to have useful information that applies to other distributions as well
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14:09<pedro1>Hum yah but I believe there is an Arch Linux distribution fork which supports i686
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14:10<gage>Oh gee that didn't even occur to me haha
14:10<pedro1>gage: ⬆️
14:11<gage>It's literally just called "archlinux32" lol
14:11<gage>I feel silly. Thanks for the help guys I'm sure that'll work.
14:14<pedro1>Vet the guys first, gage . Check if they are not shady. My guess is if they were referred in ArchLinux i686 end of support they should be ok but still...
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14:16<gage>There are a couple of bug reports, and forum posts. So other people are using it. Hm I've never had to really think about that before other than just googling them is there anything else I should look out for?
14:17<blast007>it sounds like the GMA500 driver is not packaged in Debian.
14:17<blast007>at least not for anything beyond 2D
14:17<blast007>!gma500
14:17<dpkg>Poulsbo is the codename of Intel's first System Controller Hub, found in several <netbooks>. Its GMA 500 graphics core is not supported by the intel Xorg driver (RFP xserver-xorg-video-psb, bug #533450). A 2D <KMS> framebuffer driver (gma500_gfx, formerly psb_gfx) was introduced at Linux 2.6.39. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_Controller_Hub#GMA_500_Linux_support http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_GMA#PowerVR_based_chips_on_Linux
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14:20<gage>blast007: There's a PPA for ubuntu for Intel's latest greatest driverblob. That's what I was using to try to get it working but the kernel modules wouldn't work.
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14:28<annadane>do not use ubuntu PPAs
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14:29<annadane>if you must, https://wiki.debian.org/CreatePackageFromPPA
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14:29<annadane>gage,^
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15:45<rno>hi
15:48<rno>i have jessie-backports. i upgraded moz browser now it crashed multiple times since ...
15:48<rno>would like knowing if others are having the same
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15:50<annadane>,v firefox-esr
15:50<judd>Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie: 45.9.0esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; jessie-proposed-updates: 52.4.0esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 52.4.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 52.4.0esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 52.4.0esr-1~deb9u1; wheezy-security: 52.4.0esr-2~deb7u1; buster: 52.4.0esr-2; sid: 52.4.0esr-2
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16:17<malek22>hi
16:17<malek22>any help here
16:17<annadane>!ask
16:17<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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16:22<malek22>i have ethos destro which is ubuntu base , teamvewwer wont startup by so it keep gave that message when i startup my rig https://i0.wp.com/s5.postimg.org/u9ss7oaw7/teamviewer4.png , so what i should do , i tried all ways about startup , i tried to type in /rc.loca/ : sudo teamvwer --daemon start ; teamverer . but nothing work , please help me that first time for me here in that app , i tried to ask stackoverflow , askubuntu ,superuser.com , but no one want
16:22<malek22>answer
16:24<annadane>malek22, unfortunately this channel isn't for debian or ubuntu based distributions, you're really better off asking ethos until they do answer
16:24<annadane>not to be rude, but we're unlikely to know
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16:25<annadane>or google that error message and see if other people have the same problem
16:26<malek22><annadane> thanks man am so so sorry , what your channel for , i like any subject about linux
16:26<annadane>this is for debian support, with a focus on the stable branch
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16:28<malek22><annadane> man debian is the best , ubuntu is big shit . it makes my life shitty that ubuntu base destros
16:28<malek22><annadane> thanks anyway ill keep follow that channel
16:28<malek22><annadane> have nice time man
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16:47<tom_>anybody awake?
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16:47<dboles>!ask
16:47<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
16:48<tom_>how do i trick an application into thinking i have an older version of openssl than i do?
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16:51<resteart>funny http://lrbgvtsejxkkzgoi.onion/helper-mangy
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17:08<annadane>tom_, which application and why
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17:10<tom_>spotify and because i'm only a couple of minor version numbers up from the version number it wants
17:11<tom_>i had the same problem with some libs but that was easily fixed with symlinks
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17:11<annadane>did you follow https://wiki.debian.org/spotify? because it lists libssl1.0.0 as the thing to download for stretch
17:12<annadane>oh
17:12<annadane>it has that in the "stretch" section but it's not available in stretch
17:13<annadane>i guess you could backport it from sid, not sure how well it works for ssl https://wiki.debian.org/SimpleBackportCreation
17:13<tom_>yes, i've considered that as an option but a couple of minor version number out, newer for that matter. i doubt, if i could get it to not fail the version check, it'd break the application
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17:17<tom_>it'd probably help if i knew how spotify was version checking
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17:19<annadane>anyway, i didn't really answer your question, sorry
17:19<tom_>thats fine :)
17:21<somiaj>annadane: libssl1.0.2 is avaialble in stretch and compadable with libssl1.0.0, but some software specifically checks for 1.0.0 and 1.0.2 which is a pain.
17:21<somiaj>and yes links from libssl.so.1.0.0 to libssl.so.1.0.2 works in many cases, but not all
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17:22<tom_>i have vague memories of forcing the kernel to report an earlier version number to run an application (sim city 3000) can't remember the command i used 'assume' something
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17:23<tt>I don't remember what it was but I had some obnoxious commercial software problem when we all switched from XFree86 to X.org because the version number went from something like 10 to 1 and it checked like x version > 8
17:23<tom_>like i said, i'm passing the lib check. and i'm aware symlinks are a dirty dirty fix
17:23<somiaj>tom_: hmm, that would be nice, didn't realize you could do that.
17:24<tom_>i've done it with the kernel in the past, and i'm not stranger to symlinking libs aginst themselves
17:24<tom_>although it was a long time ago ver 2.6.x and i can't remember how i did it
17:26<blast007>tom_: might have been something like this? https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=82334
17:27<tt>tom_: I think that must have been something a little different
17:27<tt>tom_: this is all in userspace I think
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17:28<tt>tom_: it's definitely possible to do what you ask, it may be easy or difficult, and you really need to know exactly what it's looking at/for
17:28<tom_>no, this was a one line deal. and work like the EXPORT as in one the term was closed everything was back default
17:29<tt>LD_PRELOAD or smth?
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17:30<tom_>that LD_PRELOAD certainly looks familiar
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17:31<tom_>no, thats libaries
17:32<tom_>i know, if i knew how it was version checking it'd be a happy man
17:32<tt>it lets you inject and override shared libs, so like if your problem was that spotify was calling a get_libssl_version() function in libssl.so, that could be a (bruteforce) way around it
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17:33<tom_>you think its checking the lib for the version number. i assumed it was checking the binary
17:33<tt>but if the problem is just that it's trying to link to libssl.so.1.0.0 and you have libssl.so.1.0.2 instead, probably just symlink-bodge it.
17:33<tom_>hmm. i may have to investigate
17:33<tt>nah I didn't say I think it's doing that, but I didn't see where you have figured out exactly what it's doing, which is kinda the first step :)
17:33<tt>strace may help
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17:34<tt>won't show you the program's internal logic, but usually the files that get opened/read just before the failure are big hints
17:35<tom_>i haven't figured out how its doing it but it clearly is running some kind of version check as the output error is complaining i don't have the correct version
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17:36<tt>well so strace (with follow-forks option) may show a fork then exec of "/usr/bin/openssl --version"... that would be an example of a big, useful hint :)
17:37<tom_>sounds like a useful tool, i assume its in the repository, doesn't have a strange package name or anything does it
17:37<tt>no it's a pretty old/standard sysadmin/troubleshooting tool. system call trace.
17:37<tt>there are other ways to trace better / different stuff. but it's good.
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17:39<tom_>ffs, the package manager is bitching about me force installing spotify without dependances everytime i try and use it now
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17:40<tt>`apt-get install -f` ?
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17:41<tt>or if that wants to uninstall stuff you wish to keep, try `aptitude -f` which will let you cycle through multiple suggested solutions
17:41<tt>`aptitude install -f` I guess, not sure
17:42<tt>there's a syntax now to install a .deb file w/ fetching the deps from the repos... but I can never remember it...
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17:44<tom_>it's just bitching about dependencies that are of no concern to the task at hand. i'm used to opensuse. you can tell that to 'ignore certain dependancies'
17:44<tom_>yeah i downloaded the .deb using apt-get and then used the -ignore-depends option on dpkg
17:45<tom_>strange syntex though
17:45<tt>yeah, the normal process is do that, then immediate apt-get install -f which will install the depends
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17:45<tt>the old normal process, anywya
17:46<tom_>but the depends are not available, so it'll just fail at that
17:46<tt>oh, well then yeah that's a problem :)
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17:46<tt>apt is very good and debian's package metadata is very good; it's almost always best to work with it, not against it, and not try to --force things, and heed https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian
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17:47<tt>it's always some crappy commercial 3rd party package that gives you the actual good reasons to do weird stuff, but even most of those work smoothly
17:48<tom_>i'm not faulting the debian.. well not as such. the clear fault lies with the outdated spotify client
17:48<annadane>you can also i guess try contacting spotify and make them aware of this problem
17:48<ach>it's just for ubuntu
17:48<annadane>>:(
17:49<ach>if you want it you have to download their package and compile it by your own
17:49<tom_>altought if one failed dependacy is gonna bring the package manager to a halt... seems like overkill, there must be a way to get it to accept it and move on with its life
17:49<bremner>that's why they're called dependencies
17:49<bremner>there's also recommended packages, which you might not need.
17:50<tom_>true but its not the first time i've had version problems and quite often a program will run quite happy with some dodgy work arounds
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17:52<tom_>i'm losing track of the issue. i'll bitch about apt-get being my mum later. the gui package manager works so i'm gonna use that. strace, right?
17:52<ach>like VirtuelPC or vmwareserver are free
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17:55<tom_>scrach that. the gui won't let me do anything unless i remove spotify.
17:56<tom_>when did warnings stop having ignore options?
17:57<ach>that's not needed they tell you someone can be able to build trash
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18:00<tt>ach: I have the spotify client installed on Stretch, it was no issue, all the depends are in the repos etc.
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18:00<tt>pretty sure it is for both ubuntu and debian, or they have two
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18:02<tt>tom_: you can stub fake packages to satisfy depends. you probably don't want to. depends usually means breaks if you don't have it. but if you need to install some depend from source instead of pkg for good reasons you can do that.
18:03<tom_>"stub fake packages"? elaborate
18:03<tt>that's not your solution
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18:03<tt>what does it depend on that aren't in the repos?
18:04<tt>are you on testing/unstable? do you also have the stable repo in your sources.list?
18:04<tom_>openssl ver 1.0.0
18:04<tom_>of course
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18:06<tom_>we're essentally back to the start only instead of the application failing the package manager is
18:06<tom_>i know i have the wrong version, i don't care.
18:06<tt>the spotify-client that I have installed, version 1:1.0.64.407.g9bd02c2d-26, does not depend on libssl at all, I do not have libssl 1.0.0 installed, in fact I have libssl 1.0.2 installed.
18:07<live>,,,,
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18:07<tom_>yeah me too, maybe you have a newer spotify package
18:08<tt>well, I downloaded it from their website a few weeks ago.
18:08<tom_>ahh, i got mine from the offical spotify repo. the site must have a newer version
18:09<tt>or the other way around is more likley
18:09<tt>but you could dpaste `apt show spotify-client`
18:09<tom_>and i was so looking forward to fining an interesting work around
18:09<tt>and also the error messages apt/apt-get/etc. give you when you try to do anything
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18:10<tom_>you'd think so, but why would a newer version want older libs (aside from a bug in the new libs)
18:10<tt>tom_: this site says to manually install libssl1.0.0 and provides a link to a .deb of it
18:10<tt>https://wiki.debian.org/spotify
18:10<tt>again, I do not have that installed / did not do that and had no problems installing spotify, sooo
18:10<tt>not sure what's going on here
18:11<tt>oh I take it back my mistake I do have it installed
18:12<tt>so, it can be installed alongside 1.0.2... just download that deb and dpkg -i it
18:13<tom_>oh i know i could just install the required older libs. i was just trying to find a work around where i could use the newer ones
18:14<tt>...
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18:17<tom_>the problem of programmes demanding very specific libs is surprisingly common and it can end up getting very silly. if left to simply obaying package dependancies
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18:19<tt>smart packagers pay attention to what's in the repos for the distros they're targeting
18:19<tt>and make version-specific packages for e.g. debian 8, 9, etc.
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18:19<tt>but in a case like this, where multiple versions can co-exist w/o conflicting
18:19<tt>it's a non-problem.
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18:20<tt>if you're concerned about security team coverage of libssl1.0.0, the real solution to that concern is don't use spotify
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18:21<tom_>well most libs can 'co exist' with diferent versions of them self since the version string is part of the name. and yes it'd be nice if package maintainers were thoughtful.
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18:21<tt>most lib packages can't though
18:22<tt>but some put the version or major version etc. into the package-name and explicitly support multiple installed packaged versions, like libssl
18:22<tt>you really need to just install libssl1.0.0.
18:26<TobiX>Be aware that those old versions of OpenSSL may have security issues: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/openssl - And installing a package like suggested on the wiki page won't update them with newer security updates...
18:26<tom_>yes. the issue here is not spotify. if you remember my origian question it was apout tricking an application into thinking i had the correct version. and likewise i could fix the package manager with one click in the gui or one command
18:26<tom_>but i'm concerned that theres no option to keep going without fixing
18:27<tt>but note also that 1.0.0 is not the package version, and it may even still be under security team mgmt
18:27<tt>do they cover oldstable?
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18:28<tt>and also like I said, if that is a concern you have, your problem is that you're using a closed-source proprietary program that hard-depends on an insecure library\
18:28<TobiX>tom_: If you want to "trick" the package manager, there is equivs - but that will probably break the application... The ABI of OpenSSL changed between 1.0.2 and 1.1.0, so if a package demands the older OpenSSL, it will probably not run with the newer...
18:29<tt>tom_: what you ask for is possible, but I would personally consider it to be, imo, a wrong solution and also an epic waste of time.
18:30<tt>if you have a different opinion, feel free to pursue it :)
18:31<tom_>of course it's a waste of time. we've establish that the optimal solution is simple. in avoiding the simple solution i have learned that the package manager is dependacy happy. i wouldn't have learned that otherwise
18:32<tom_>hell, i rarely use spotify. but it, like steam are good ways to test out the finer points of software installation on a new distro
18:33<tt>tom_: fair enough.
18:33<tt>I'm not trying to be excessively adversarial, I also get annoyed pretty often when I ask about hypotheticals or stuff I'm doing just for personal-interest reasons and all anyone will say is "don't do that"
18:35<tom_>i didn't really consider it adversarial. though i do think you too much love for your distro and it's package manager
18:35<tt>I do love apt and debian, very much, no doubt :)
18:35<tt>it's the best :)
18:36<tt>the rpm stuff has caught up in many ways, but it's dog-slow still if nothing else
18:36<tt>and there are no other major contenders
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18:40<tom_>i still try and compile, where practical, so you can appreciate why a dependency happy package manager would freak me
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18:43<tom_>clock speeds have been stagnant for a long time, it's all about micro arch now. if you compile your own you can take advantage of that. plus i've just discovered optimation level 3
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18:50<retrospectacus>but you waste all those cycles compiling
18:52<tom_>well yeah. but the aplication will perform alot quicker
18:53<tom_>but it does take a while to compile stuff, you're right. don't ever install gentoo unless you have a couple of days to kill
18:53<retrospectacus>if by "alot" you meant "a completely unnoticable amount" then you'd have done your research
18:56<retrospectacus>wouldn't you rather just copy the program from the Ethernet port to the disk and start using it to get shit done? :)
18:56<tom_>clearly you have a much faster computer than i. because alot of fairly common apps are quite sluggish at stock x86_64 whereas haswell -o3 are pretty fast
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19:00<tom_>if i was that concerned with just getting shit done i would have stuck to windows. or better yet a mac, those things 'just work'
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19:14<uso>I have a notebook with Intel graphics (i7-7600U CPU). As far as I understand it this graphics should be supported by the Intel driver, but it runs in vesa mode. Is there any way to force xorg to use the Intel driver?
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19:18<somiaj>uso: you can write an xorg.conf, but I think the issue is not xorg, but your kernel.
19:18<somiaj>uso: check 'lsmod | grep i915', did the intel graphics driver load?
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19:19<uso>somiaj: the i915 kernel module is loaded
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19:19<somiaj>uso: you can write a custom xorg.conf that contains just the video driver section and have it load the intel driver.
19:21<somiaj>uso: do you have xorg-xserver-video-intel installed?
19:21<tom_>apperntly theres a bug in the 4.9x kernel with this graphics chip
19:22<somiaj>ahh so maybe using a backport kernel would help?
19:22<tom_>possibly. i'm still checking for info
19:23<tom_>kernel.org lists the latest stable kernel as 4.13.x
19:24<tom_>i'm still running the 4.9.x so i think thats the latest in the repo
19:24<tom_>compiling a newer one is always an option
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19:25<somiaj>debian provides newer kernels via backports
19:25<somiaj>,kernels
19:25<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.14.0-rc7-686 (4.14~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 4.13.0-1-686 (4.13.10-1); buster: 4.13.0-1-686 (4.13.4-2); stretch-backports: 4.13.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.13.4-2~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-4-686 (4.9.51-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.4-686 (4.9.51-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2+deb8u5); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae
19:25<judd>(3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.93-1)
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19:25<somiaj>stretc-backports has 4.13 in it
19:25<somiaj>stretch-backports
19:25<uso>somiaj: yes, xorg-xserver-video-intel is nstalled
19:25<somiaj>but the offical stretch kernel is 4.9, which is a long term support kernel from kernel.org
19:26<somiaj>uso: tom_ thinks a newer kernel would help.
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19:27<tom_>https://askubuntu.com/questions/849553/ubuntu-16-04-graphics-issues-intel-hd-620
19:28<tom_>best i've found
19:28<uso>somiaj, tom_: OK, I'll try the backports kernel later
19:29<uso>may that message cause harm: failed to set IOPL for I/O (Operation not permitted)
19:30<uso>oops, missed the initial xf86EnableIOPorts: in front of it
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21:16<AquaPixie>Evening, folks. I need some help here.
21:17<AquaPixie>I have an old Thinkpad A20m with a Rage Mobility M, a mach64 based chip
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21:17<AquaPixie>I have searched Google high and low, but I cannot for the life of me figure out how to get hardware acceleration working.
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21:17<AquaPixie>This is a 500MHz Celeron that runs this computer.
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21:18<AquaPixie>And it currently renders through llvmpipe.
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21:18<AquaPixie>That, of course, steals precious CPU cycles.
21:18<AquaPixie>So, any ideas?
21:18-!-Peter is now known as Whatup_______
21:19<AquaPixie>My only idea at this point is a custom xorg.conf, but no clue what to do in regards to writing one.
21:21<Whatup_______>Hi. I'm not very familiar with debian or any other distros, but I'm trying to compile a 3rd party app, and can't get past ./configure, because it can't find boost::asio header. I've checked /usr/inlcude/boost and asio.hpp is clearly there. Any ideas?
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21:26<dvs>AquaPixie, Did you install the firmware-linux-nonfree package
21:27<AquaPixie>Yes.
21:28<AquaPixie>dvs
21:28<dvs>ok
21:28<AquaPixie>I also have the xorg mach64 driver installed.
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21:48<AquaPixie>nothing?
21:50<dvs>nope. I don't think the radeon driver supports mach64
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22:01<AquaPixie>Obviously it doesn't. Otherwise I'd use it instead of the mach64 driver.
22:01<AquaPixie>...Or try to.
22:02<AquaPixie>This calls for chicken rolls.
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22:09<AquaPixie>Still no solution.
22:09<AquaPixie>Tried some extra libs
22:10<AquaPixie>will need xorg.conf help later
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22:16<dvs>AquaPixie, Did you run "X -configure" ?
22:17<AquaPixie>hm, no
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22:19<AquaPixie>how do I stop X again?
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22:20<dvs>Ctrl-Alt-Backspace ?
22:21<AquaPixie>nope
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22:23<AquaPixie>stopped lighhdm
22:24<AquaPixie>did the trigk
22:24<AquaPixie>trick
22:24<AquaPixie>what to do with the conf?
22:24<AquaPixie>drop into /etc?
22:25<dvs>AquaPixie, /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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22:27<AquaPixie>alright
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22:28*duncan points out there exists /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ and /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d which may be a better place to put config files...
22:28<duncan>easier to keep track of it IMO
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22:31<AquaPixie>opengl still on llvmpipe
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22:35<AquaPixie>dvs
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22:47<tgunr>Suppose I am on a debian system with two drives sda and sdb, I am running off of sda. I want to setup partitions on sdb and stall debian onto sdb from the CLI. Is this possible, I am not finding anything concrete on the net. My goal is to create a ZFS pool on sdb that can be used to boot debian after I transfer the drive to another box. Is such a thing possible?
22:48<tgunr>Basically, I want to create a bootable ZFS drive that can be installed onto another computer
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23:10<ryouma>are bootable zfs drives possible?
23:10<ryouma>you can do it if you do not use zfs
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23:11<AquaPixie>So.
23:12<AquaPixie>How do I blacklist gallium/llvmpipe?
23:12<AquaPixie>completely, that is
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