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#debian IRC Logs for 2017-11-10

---Logopened Fri Nov 10 00:00:17 2017
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00:31<rjsalts>I've been using bip as an irc bouncer as it's in #debian. Is there a better one?
00:31<rjsalts>It seems to have largely been abandoned by upstream
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00:35<rjsalts>znc maybe?
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00:43<eagle77>hello
00:43<eagle77>Bonjour
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00:43<annadane>uh... hi, bye
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00:54<o11c>I'm having problems with my touchpad
00:54<o11c>it stops working whenever any key is pressed
00:54<o11c>I already changed the KDE setting for this, and restarted
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01:01<jm_>does the same happen if you test it outside KDE?
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01:03<o11c>jm_: yes
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01:04<o11c>also, the mouse disappears in some apps, not sure if that's related
01:05<jm_>o11c: even with evtest tool? any difference in this output when mouse disappears? «cat /sys/class/input/*/device/name» any kernel messages when it happens?
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01:08<o11c>I'm not sure how to use evtest, there are a *lot* of input devices
01:08<o11c>here are all the names: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard;HDA Intel PCH HDMI/DP,pcm=3;TOSHIBA Web Camera - HD;Power Button;Lid Switch;Power Button;Video Bus;PC Speaker;SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad;HDA Digital PCBeep;HDA Intel PCH Mic;HDA Intel PCH Headphone;SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad;
01:09<o11c>nothing in dmesg
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01:11<jm_>ok use «grep '.' cat /sys/class/input/*/device/name» then use the relevant device file for the one that shows SynPS/2, i.e. for "/sys/class/input/event11/device/name:SynPS/2..." you would say evtest /dev/input/event11
01:12<o11c>I just figured that out
01:12<o11c>evtest *does* show the events
01:12<jm_>ok and if you use xev it shows them or not?
01:12<o11c>but xev does not
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01:13<jm_>huh, anything in X log regarding this?
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01:17<o11c>Xorg.log just has a bunch of "this is a touchpad" lines
01:18<o11c>honestly, the fact that it *works* in evtest is weirding me out
01:20<jm_>yes, I was thinking X loses track of the device or whatever, is X configure to use "evdev_drv"? i.e. for me it says Using input driver 'evdev' for 'Power Button' and then evdev: Power Button: Device: "/dev/input/event1" and so on
01:24<o11c>here's the full xorg.log from my non-kde startx session: https://paste.debian.net/994958/
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01:29<jm_>ahh right, I'm still on jessie, for you it uses libinput. maybe tools from libinput-tools will reveal something
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01:33<o11c>normally I follow testing, but for this "new" laptop I decided to go with stable, since KDE is broken constantly in testing
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01:36<o11c>okay, this is interesting
01:36<o11c>libinput-list-devices mentions: Disable-w-typing: enabled
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01:38<jm_>maybe it's one of the properties you can configure with xinput
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01:42<jm_>or maybe you have to do it via udev rule, not sure - but at least now you have something to search for
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02:50<AquaPixie>So.
02:50<AquaPixie>I have an error.
02:50<AquaPixie>AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI2 capable.
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02:51<AquaPixie>How do I tell it to use DRI1?
02:51<AquaPixie>Or get it to work.
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02:51<fanto666>Hello, I have problem on my wheezy machine - apt-get tried ipv6 and fails (and does not try ipv4). Can I work around that?
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02:53<fanto666>oh fck. ipv4 fails too
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03:31<chele>isn't docker-engine meant to be in stretch anymore?
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03:35<jm_>,v docker-engine
03:35<judd>No package named 'docker-engine' was found in amd64.
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03:40<AquaPixie>This thing does work on Arch...
03:40<AquaPixie>...Should work here.
03:40<Zimsky>`'"""shoulld"""'`
03:40<Zimsky>with less l
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03:41<AquaPixie>Still do not have hardware 3D on mach64.
03:42<AquaPixie>even if 2D accel works.
03:42<AquaPixie>(And it does, swimmingly.)
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03:50<a34021501>Does anybody's computer ok? one of my computer just emission a bad smell particle and even UPS power off...
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03:51<a34021501>that particle is just something like engine blue-white particle, and it seems the weather situation of solar spectrum is not good.
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03:54<a34021501>while this computer is just only a voltage control fan with lower rpm... with just SSD and no Hard Disk.... does alien detect my computer as a engine and spray the particle to my computer?
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03:57<a34021501>and the other computer that have Hard Disk which use similar socket is still work!!
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05:03<catsoup>morning
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05:04<catsoup>can anyone give me any information on when we might see an updated roundcube package for jessie-backports ?
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05:05<o11c>catsoup: when (or if) the maintainers know that anyone cares, and feel that it matters enough to actually do it
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05:05<catsoup>fair enough
05:05<catsoup>ta
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06:21<bw>Hello. I need help switching off power supply to a specific usb port at runtime in debian 8
06:23<jm_>tried poking in /sys/bus/usb/devices/*/power/control file?
06:23<bw>yes
06:24<bw>echo suspend>/sys/bus/usb/devices/usb*/power/level
06:24<bw>to be more specific
06:25<bw>output: "bash: echo: write error: Invalid argument"
06:26<bw>why?
06:27<jm_>from Documentation/usb/power-management.txt: (There may also be a file named "level"; this file was deprecated as of the 2.6.35 kernel and replaced by the "control" file.
06:27<bw>thx
06:27<bw>i never know what documentation to use
06:27<jm_>let's hope that file is up to date
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06:28<bw>still the same error
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06:31<jm_>apparently one can only write on or auto to that file
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06:31<jm_>suspend was available in kernels up to 2.6.32
06:31<bw>thx. so i can't poweroff a device on a specific port from command line?
06:33<jm_>I haven't read all of the file, maybe read it and see what one can do - there is talk about disabling auto suspend, or maybe search the net for more clues (I remember reading about disabling suspend as that caused issues with some devies)
06:33<jm_>devices too
06:34<bw>ok thanks so far
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06:37<jm_>no problem
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07:01<user01>hey need some help troubleshooting audio problem -- using dell e7470 . . . so i hear static and the audio playing. I noticed going to input devices in pulse volume control and selecting another port, the audio stops playing and crackling stops. Any suggstions?
07:01<user01>maybe i should try rebooting here -- yesterday there was no audio and i restarted and it worked again
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07:02<user01>it sounds like the OS is confused on where to send / receive audio from
07:03<user01>let me reboot and see if that magically fixes again
07:03<user01>first ill collect some dmesg
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07:08<CuteMeOwnThroat>user01, try switching things around… in pulse with pavucontrol and one level deeper with alsamixer
07:08<CuteMeOwnThroat>try muting different channels in alsamixer
07:08<CuteMeOwnThroat>like the mic or so
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07:09<CuteMeOwnThroat>but of course can also just be a hardware thing…
07:09<CuteMeOwnThroat>(actually sounds like it is and there's cross-talk between lines or so)
07:10<user01>CuteMeOwnThroat, im trying to find a "loopback" device
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07:12<user01>CuteMeOwnThroat, how do i mute? M doesnt seem to do anything
07:13<user01>eh let me try rebooting and see if it magically autoconfigures again
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07:34<preacher>hi.
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07:38<user01>CuteMeOwnThroat, ok undocking and redocking the laptop fixed the issue for some reason :P
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07:46<CuteMeOwnThroat>hardware ^^
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08:10<wonderland>On Debian stable, have there been pushed any kernel or similar updates that would require a reboot to be applied in the last 113 days?
08:12<themill>yes
08:12<wonderland>I'm asking since I noticed one of our production servers has an uptime of 113 days, but it says it doesn't need to be rebooted
08:12<wonderland>so I'm guessing nobody has properly set up updates
08:13<themill>a dist-upgrade is required to install the most recent kernel package
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08:13<wonderland>the server is debian 9
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08:22<aliceryhl>Is there a way to check which packages need to be updated without being root?
08:23<aliceryhl>and what about last update?
08:23<aliceryhl>(as in time of last update)
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08:28<fake007>Everything but the kernel can be patched without rebooting.
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08:29<bugtraq>yo
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08:30<petn-randall>fake007: init 1 is also difficult to restart on a live system.
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08:30<petn-randall>s/init/PID/
08:31<petn-randall>aliceryhl: You need to be root for that.
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08:34<aliceryhl>hmm, reading /var/log/apt/history.log should be good enough
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08:35<aliceryhl>uhh, if /var/log/apt/history.log is empty, does that mean what I think it means?
08:37<aliceryhl>(ie. that it has never been updated)
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08:54<petn-randall>aliceryhl: history.log only lists packages that *have* been updated in the past. You asked for packages that need to be updated.
08:54<duncan>Isn't it hidden to unpriviliged users anyway?
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08:55<petn-randall>duncan: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 13054 Jan 31 2017 history.log.10.gz
08:55<petn-randall>Same for history.log, copy/paste error.
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09:36<a34021501>hi, all, after I open the case of the bad smell computer which a little plastic smell and a little burned smell, I found there is no burning. and the bad smell particle still spray into my room.....
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09:40<petn-randall>a34021501: ... and how is your smell in any way related to Debian?
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09:46<a34021501>I mean the firmware in debian 8.3.0 has no problem if no update, just 13DVD unplug LAN install. A few years ago, I have a motherboard VRM very hot issue.
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10:06<olivetree>Hi guys
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10:07<olivetree>is it possigle to downgrade a debian from testing/unstable to stable?
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10:10<petn-randall>olivetree: No, the only way is reinstall.
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10:12<petn-randall>While it's technically possible to downgrade single packages, in practice many postinstall scripts in packages change things around during upgrade, and there is simply nothing that reverts those changes on downgrade.
10:12<hack>hi
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10:13<petn-randall>hello hack
10:13<hack>where are you from?
10:13<petn-randall>!chat
10:13<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
10:14<petn-randall>hack: ^^^
10:14<hack>oo
10:14<hack>can i get another chat chanel ?
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10:15<petn-randall>hack: Yes, just type "/join #moocows".
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10:15<hack>is it safe ?
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10:20<olivetree>humm
10:21<olivetree>That's bad, i have a lot configured on this system, but blender is not working well on testing
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10:21*petn-randall shrugs.
10:22<petn-randall>olivetree: You can back up all your data before reinstalling. Upgrading to testing/sid comes with a big fat warning label, so when you upgrade and it breaks, you get to keep both pieces.
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10:24<olivetree>yes, i have testing for some time, in fact i have testing since stretch was testing, but now some packages do malfunction on buster And i needed Stretch again
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10:27<birdman88>can any advise how to get a wifi driver for netgear A6100 on here?
10:29<tu>madre mia willi
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10:50<Akronym>olivetree, not very popular here, but if you feel like it, instead of going backwards to stable (lot of work) you could go sid... at least if you are very familiar with the whole debian shebang in general.
10:51<Akronym>that's at least what I most of the time do when I am unhappy with testing. But that's just me.
10:51<Akronym><- running testing right now, let's see how long it takes this time :)
10:52<petn-randall>!tum
10:52<dpkg>«echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf», edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to unstable, then apt-get update. Use apt-get -t unstable install foo; to install foo from unstable rather than testing as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release: set Preferences->Distribution.
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10:52<petn-randall>testin/unstable mix ^^^ is pretty common setup. Doesn't take the breakage away, though.
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10:54<Akronym>petn-randall, I always went full head on sid, I just need the thrill it seems ;)
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14:02<test>Who ever is interested, we made a game in a one week JAM in plain C and OpenGl, strictly under Linux
14:02<test>https://imazighen.itch.io/ivrik
14:02<test>check it out, and vote if you like it thanks!
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15:56<emi>Hi, I just installed Debian 9 on an old laptop that I want to repurpose for some specific tasks so I didn't choose to install the Debian Desktop Environment (as I wanted a minimal i3 based setup) but now I can't get the touch pad working (it was working in the setup). I'm following the steps here: https://wiki.debian.org/SynapticsTouchpad but /proc/bus/input/devices doesn't contain any of the strings in the
15:56<emi>grep and dmesg gives no hints and lspci shows no mention of any touchpad device. Does anyone have any ideas?
15:57<sney>touchpad wouldn't show in lspci as it's more likely to be on the usb bus
15:58<emi>nothing in lsusb either
15:58<emi>other than one entry without a name... hm
15:59<sney>anyway, the driver for touchpad/etc devices these days is xserver-xorg-input-libinput
15:59<sney>if that package is installed then the software support is there.
16:00<emi>yeah it's already installed
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16:06<emi>gonna try a few things, bbs
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16:41<samwan>Hi, is the current Debian version obtainable for PowerPC? I can not find the PowerPC version on the download page
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16:44<tgunr>Think I read you have to build PPC yourself
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17:14<o11c>samwan: only ppc64el
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17:15<samwan>It's a shame every major GNU/Linux distribution dropped 32 bit PPC
17:15<samwan>Why did that happen?
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17:16<ryouma>samwan: i think jessie is the last one
17:16<o11c>because there are no developers to work on it
17:16<retrospectacus>too much work to support, too few users
17:16<o11c>https://release.debian.org/stretch/arch_qualify.html
17:17<samwan>Makes sense, thank you. I guess I will have to give some BSD a try :(
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18:03<jhutchins>Has IBM quit using ppc?
18:04<jhutchins>Oh, 32b.
18:04<jhutchins>32b is going the way of octal.
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18:33<bremner>dunno if that's fair to octal
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18:56<o11c>niels:test failed!
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20:55<ivan>tgunr: yes, linux typically boots fine when copied to another computer (of the same architecture)
20:56<ivan>I mean, grub will refer to a partition by uuid or something and boot that
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20:58<ivan>tgunr: btw, MBR or UEFI systems? you want a special option for grub for UEFI systems: --force-extra-removable
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21:02<tgunr>UEFI as it is a MacPro
21:02<tgunr>ivan : thanks
21:03<ivan>UEFI boot relies on some operating system to set the NVRAM Boot* variables to point at a bootloader on an EFI partition
21:04<ivan>--force-extra-removable installs a /EFI/BOOT/BOOTX64.EFI that almost every UEFI motherboard uses as a fallback
21:04<ivan>thus no need for the Boot* variables
21:05<ivan>grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=/boot/efi --force-extra-removable --bootloader-id=Linux --recheck
21:05<ivan>I actually don't know what the Debian installer does by default, I only debootstrap
21:06<tgunr>cc
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21:07<tgunr>and yes, the macosx does set nvram
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21:51<elof1>Do I have to read the manual from the first chapter?
21:51<annadane>elof1, what manual? the debian handbook? it's entirely up to you
21:52<annadane>that manual is also a bit oudated as it hasn't been updated to stretch yet
21:54<elof1>annadane: the manual mentioned on Debian.org
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21:56<annadane>elof1, installation manual?
21:56<annadane>elof1, if so, you don't really have to, it's just a bunch of "what is linux" introductory stuff
21:59<elof1>annadane: Debian Reference
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22:00<annadane>elof1, can be good if you don't already know it
22:01<elof1>Does the Debian FAQ covers all aspects
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22:03<annadane>quite a lot, i suppose
22:03<elof1>all versions?
22:03<annadane>if you want to read everything and have a comprehensive overview, there's the administration handbook, install manual, stretch release notes, and reference manual
22:03<elof1>editions
22:04<annadane>yes, it mentions stable/testing/sid/experimental
22:04<annadane>stretch release notes only because the administration handbook is out of date and it lists things it doesn't have
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22:06<annadane>and really the install manual isn't necessary unless you're installing
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22:07<elof1>I copy all sources.list on DebianWIki, but something happens https://pastebin.com/v9wHVQeb
22:09<elof1>my sources.list https://pastebin.com/TPg7B23n
22:09<annadane>!stretch sources.list
22:09<dpkg>A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main" "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main". Be sure to run «apt update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <stretch/updates> <stretch-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list".
22:09<elof1>I did so because the wiki says "If you also want the contrib and non-free components, add contrib non-free after main"
22:10<annadane>you just need those, and deb-src lines if you want
22:10<annadane>elof1, right, but you don't need to list them twice
22:10<annadane>main contrib non-free can just go after individual lines
22:11<elof1>just add contrib non free after main, not add another line?
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22:12<annadane>elof1, correct
22:12<elof1>I need to use another language Input Method, any recommendation?
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22:15<elof1>I need to type another language on my debian
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22:19<annadane>elof1, https://wiki.debian.org/Keyboard
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23:02<demo>anyone know how much ram is needed to run stretch with gnome?
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23:04<annadane>demo, https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/ch03s04.html.en
23:05<demo>thank you
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