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---Logopened Sat Nov 11 00:00:18 2017
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00:06<Kadigan>Hey. I'm having heavy slowness issues w/ my Debian install on a small device. `hdparm -t /dev/sda` reports anywhere from 500kB/sec to 3MB/sec. `hdparm -i /dev/sda` tells me I'm using *udma2. I wouldn't expect anything better than that (it's via a short 40line ribbon to miniIDE), but this is a bit slow... `smartctl -a` says nothing's wrong with the disk (all pertinent error rates and reallocations are squarely at 0). `top` says I'm spending over 90% of
00:06<Kadigan>my time in 'wa'. What else can I check to find the issue?
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00:08<Kadigan>It was never super slow, and I only noticed this slowness about an hour ago. Rebooting took some 7min. I also left /forcefsck and it completed, though the second reboot took some 30min (couldn't find any errors later in syslog).
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00:11<Kadigan>I did install new software recently - I needed a mysql server, so I installed mariadb and it worked. Since I noticed the slowness, I've disabled it via `update-rc.d remove mysql`, so it's not starting up any more. I also installed Java and the whole lot that comes w/ that - v7 (by java-default) and v8 (by binary from sun, I believe - I had to add a repo for it)
00:12<o11c>Kadigan: what percent free space?
00:13<o11c>Kadigan: filesystems start to get horrible at around 85% used
00:13<o11c>Kadigan: and ext4 usually never recovers from that
00:14<Kadigan>ext3, and it's 2% on /, 19% on /boot, 2$ on /run and 1% on /run/lock. Everything else is 0%.
00:14<Kadigan>2%*
00:14<Kadigan>Ah, that's used
00:14<o11c>well, that's the limit of my expertise
00:14<Kadigan>(straight from `df`)
00:15<Kadigan>Everything seems to be heavily limited by HDD access, I just don't know where to look for the culprit. There are no read errors, just everything takes forever.
00:16<Kadigan>This is a very special device (touched in the head is more like it), so I get this feeling that maybe doing `apt-get upgrade` upgraded something to "incompatible"... Looking at startup, I see a lot of No Bus and 'null' devices being added.
00:16<o11c>Kadigan: note that hdparm says it's only meaningful if nothing else is running
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00:17<Kadigan>I don't know how to check what could be using disk access.
00:17<o11c>iotop perhaps?
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00:19<Kadigan>Before I go there - where do I add "consoleblanking=0" if I'm using syslinux? APPEND ?
00:19<Kadigan>(because the damn physical console blanks out after 10min and I don't have a spare keyboard to wake it up)
00:19<o11c>probably ... why aren't you using grub2 these days?
00:20<Kadigan>Because it fails hard w/ grub.
00:20<Kadigan>Like I said, this device is touched in the head. grub takes too long and root filesystem disappears.
00:20<o11c>it sounds to me like you should ddrescue it and throw it away
00:20<Kadigan>(the thing disables PATA on boot, and I'm attached to PATA)
00:20<Kadigan>Yeah, I want to keep it. I spent 3 weeks getting Debian onto that thing.
00:21<Kadigan>Like I said, it was working fine until about 2h ago.
00:22<Kadigan>Hm... iotop reports 'Could not run iotop as some of the requirements are not met"
00:22<Kadigan>s/"/'
00:24<o11c>I'm guessing you're runing a weird kernel, too
00:24<Kadigan>I think it may not have the perfcounters in
00:24<Kadigan>Hm...
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00:45<Kadigan>Also, I can't get rsyslog to send messages to a remote computer. Not sure what's up with that - I added "*.* @ip:514" (I know the IP is correct) and restarted rsyslog... nothing. Still logs to /var/log/syslog.
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00:51<Kadigan>Ah, well.
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01:01<DaRk_aNoMaLy13>cd /
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01:13<Kadigan>Okay. It seems that the slowness was primarily caused by smbd/nmbd. I'm actually quite suprised by this... why would smb be using resources if it's not really being used?
01:15<Kadigan>... unless it <was> being used, I just didn't know about it.
01:15<Kadigan>Well, in any case - thanks for the assist!
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02:07<cube_>does anyone know hoe to install netease music player
02:07<cube_>i tried but failed
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02:30<elof1>The room is full of in and out
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02:41<iflema>not if you filter them out
02:41<elof1>I didn't know the feature until you told me..
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02:43<elof1>I disabled "Enable Logging", but the log shows after it
02:43<elof1>I use Pidgin
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02:43<iflema>parts/joins
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02:44<elof1>iflema: ? the command?
02:45<iflema>usually those are labeled "parts and joins". I have not used used pidgin in years
02:45<elof1>iflema: What do you use
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02:45<iflema>weechat
02:45<o11c>weechat ftw
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02:45<iflema>it works on the console
02:45<elof1>weechat?
02:46<o11c>I used to use irssi, but development basically stopped for several years (it has since resumed though) ... whereas with weechat, I've complained about a missing feature and gotten it fixed in a day
02:47<elof1>irssi had stopped ?
02:47<iflema>elof1: https://imgur.com/a/DUqd5
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02:48<elof1>iflema: irssi and weechat are similar in some way
02:48<iflema>yep
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02:49<iflema>except the part where irssi annoys me
02:49<o11c>irssi didn't release at all between 2010 and 2014
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02:51<iflema>what is netease
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02:52<elof_>I checked irssi website
02:52<elof_>it released 1.0.5 last month
02:54<o11c>yeah, it's moving again
02:54<o11c>2010-2014 only had about one commit per month though, which hardly counts
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02:56<elof_>using irssi
02:57<elof_>I don't get why I cannot connect to those main IRC server like IRCnet
02:57<elof_>connection lost
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04:04<grummund>Is there an easy way to create 'fake' dependencies such that "deborphan --guess-all" won't list some lib*-dev packages i have installed?
04:08<grummund>ah, ignore that... "deborphan --guess-all --no-guess-dev" will do.
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08:22<birkoff>hello bro
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08:24<birkoff>im a newby on kali so need a help bro
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08:30<elof_>Why Firefox in Debian is not called iceweasel anymore?
08:31<tt>Firefox changed their rules so it was no longer required
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08:31<tt>don't remember if it was a debian-specific agreement or in general
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08:31<tt>the previous rule was you weren't allowed to use the Firefox trademark unless you distributed their official binaries
08:31<tt>which Debian doesn't.
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08:35<birkoff>is there a specific python module for hacking?
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08:36<duncan>!kali
08:36<dpkg>Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html
08:36<duncan>SOL
08:37<elof_>tt: thunderbird too?
08:37<elof_>but the package name is still same
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08:38<tt>I think there's a transitional period but the package is or will be firefox again
08:38<duncan>firefox-esr is the name in stable rn
08:39<elof_>Stable Linux production necesarily requires almost 2 years?
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08:39<tt>I don't understand the question.
08:40<elof_>each debian stable are almost 2 years
08:40<tt>there's a lot of issues caused by users thinking stable means something different than debian developers mean when they say stable.
08:40<tt>stable means 'doesn't change' more than it means 'doesn't crash'
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08:42<tt>firefox-esr is firefox extended support release, but there is a firefox package in sid
08:42<elof_>Debian developers update the package only if it has stable release?
08:42<tt>no, that is not the case.
08:42<tt>but stuff like that will not be changed in an existing stable release.
08:43<tt>it'll change in unstable, migrate to testing, and eventually be part of a new stable release.
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08:43<elof_>stable means not to crash easily?
08:43<tt>the only changes made to stable after release are things like security vulnerabilities and serious bugs
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08:45<elof_>Will apt-get dist-upgrade detect user's computer meet the requirement or not?
08:46<tt>no. but it'd be weird if a computer ran fine w/ one debian and not the next.
08:46<tt>also dist-upgrade doesn't actually upgrade to a new dist; it's kinda misnamed.
08:46<elof_>I don't know whether my 11 yo pc would be able to upgrade to buster
08:46<tt>you should read the docs about what it actually does
08:47<elof_>*sigh* yes
08:47<tt>I'm sure you would. older h/w is generally supported better than brand-new h/w w/ linux.
08:47<elof_>11 years old pc would?
08:47<elof_>my DE is MATE
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08:50<elof_>I am reading the release note, but haven't found the system requirement
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08:51<elof_>Did I read the wrong one?
08:52<elof_>Or I shoudl read another one which contains system requirement?
08:52<tt>I don't know that there even are detailed system reqs
08:52<elof_>umm
08:52<tt>an x86_64 processor
08:52<elof_>I am using x86
08:52<elof_>the ram is even single channel 533
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08:53<tt>debian still supports 32-bit but a lot of distros are beginning to drop support for it
08:53<tt>since 64 has been around so long
08:54<elof_>Why Debian still supports 32bits
08:54<elof_>why those developers are willing to support
08:55<TobiX>tt: Debian dropped support for i586 in stretch: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#i386-is-now-almost-i686
08:55<tt>TobiX: fair enough I tried to google but guess I failed to find that
08:55<tt>TobiX: wait, no
08:55<TobiX>elof_: Because it's not very hard to keep supporting x86 - you still need those packages to support some 32-bit use cases
08:56<tt>TobiX: 32-bit is still supported
08:56<elof_>My CPU is 64bits, but not sure mine is able to install 64bits
08:56<tt>just only i686
08:56<TobiX>tt: Correct.
08:57<elof_>Does 64bits system have any other requirement than having a 64bits CPU?
08:57<TobiX>elof_: Why should it not be? If you have a 64-bit cpu, it's almost always better to install a 64-bit operating system
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08:58<elof_>My hdd is like 80GB
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08:58<TobiX>A 64-bit OS doesnt make much sense with only 2GB RAM
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08:59<TobiX>elof_: 64-bit libraries are not double in size ;)
08:59<tt>TobiX: until you upgrade to 4GB and realize you need to re-install your OS to take advantage
08:59<elof_>TobiX: My ddr2 ram single channel is 1gb
08:59<TobiX>elof_: If you don't plan on upgrading that, install a 32-bit OS...
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09:00<TobiX>Since you are fighting for every byte with that little amount of RAM
09:00<elof_>TobiX: on Upgrading hardware?
09:00<TobiX>And don't use it for web browsing if you want to keep your sanity :P
09:00<elof_>Don't know when will Debian discontinue to support
09:01<TobiX>For a long, long time.
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09:01<voodoo>hi
09:01<TobiX>As long as people want to use win to run Windows software, i386 packages are useful even on 64 bit systems...
09:01<TobiX>wine I mean
09:02<elof_>I got a question, if you are able to develop linux driver, will you develop it for your own laptop or desktop?
09:02<elof_>This PC cannot run wine smoothly, I tried
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09:03<TobiX>elof_: Most people who write drivers for fun do it for their own hardware, yes...
09:04<TobiX>elof_: If you really want to keep using that old hardware and not replace it outright, get at least some more RAM for it...
09:04<elof_>TobiX: In that case, those people can run Linux on *latest* hardware since they are able to write
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09:04<elof_>I will.
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09:11<elof_>What is the difference beteween the mailing list debian-user and this IRC room?
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09:16<bremner>elof_: I don't understand the question. They are both targetted at user support.
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09:18<elof_>Thank you
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11:55<sinsalov>hey
11:55<sinsalov>why i'm getting newrole: command not found?
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12:30<brenlae>just a small question - i was wondering if there are any resources available to learning how to program? say in C or something?
12:30<brenlae>i use debian 9.2
12:32<blast007>have you searched online for a tutorial?
12:32<bremner>brenlae: you might look at http://exercism.io/
12:33<bremner>there's a command line client which runs on debian.
12:33<brenlae>bremner: thanks
12:33<brenlae>blast007: well i saw a few but i'm not sure which ones are good
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12:39<brenlae>well thanks :)
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13:12<acald3ron>USB problem: https://paste.debian.net/995200/
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13:18<o11c>acald3ron: er, what exactly *is* the problem?
13:18<o11c>also ow those linebreaks
13:18<acald3ron>my gaming mouse disconect !
13:19<o11c>unless it's on a busy hub, that's almost certainly a problem with the mouse itself
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13:24<rob_debian>Hi all !
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13:40<acald3ron>O.o
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13:41<salvatore>Italy?
13:41<bremner>!it
13:41<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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13:41<salvatore>grazie
13:42<sevu>!de
13:42<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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13:49<sinsalov>i've reported bug on debian.org
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13:50<bremner>sinsalov: newrole is in the package newrole
13:51<ach><.<
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14:38<qirex>What will happen if i install an older package on a newer version of debian?
14:38<annadane>qirex, you'll probably break debian
14:38<annadane>https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian#Some_safer_ways_to_install_software_not_available_in_Debian_Stable
14:39<annadane>those are safe ways to do it
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14:39<annadane>it depends on what package you mean specifically of course
14:40<aversario>hi guys, I am seeing only half duplex on my network card
14:40<aversario>I am using debian 9, e1000 network driver
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14:41<aversario>kernel 4.9.0/4
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14:42<aversario>sorry, kernel 4.9.51-1
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14:42<qirex>but this is for new packages
14:43<qirex>i need an older version
14:43<Brigo>aversario, did you check the wire?
14:44<aversario>Brigo: I haven't, I'm using almost new cable, but I'll check that first, thank you
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14:46<qirex>libcrypto 1.0.0 which is depending of some libc6 but strangely they have also some udeb extension whatever is that mean
14:47<qirex>i just dl them and then was that warning its not a good idea to install them etc as you mention
14:47<Brigo>aversario, check if the router or whatever you are connected to is full-duplex capable.
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14:52<sinsalov>bremner, thx
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15:06<aversario>Brigo: router is 100% capable, unless there is a bug in openwrt/LEDE I'm using
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15:13<o11c>qirex: old packages on new debian almost always works fine, that's basically how upgrades with no-longer-present packages work
15:14<o11c>qirex: assuming that all libraries are co-installable, of course
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15:17<qirex>well i took the risk and it worked fine for now i have what i want but if something goes wrong i can reinstall the system ive done it many times before
15:18<qirex>so thanks anyway
15:18<qirex>im happy
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15:39<jade__>any help with pam/ldap/nss
15:39<jade__>I can set up ldap, I can authenticate properly with imap and ldapsearch
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16:00<jade__>is there an easy way to debug this particular configuration?
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16:35<ivan>how should I report bugs in a packaging repo that don't really affect the package (yet)?
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16:36<localhost>hi
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16:57<manny>hello
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16:57<manny>yh
16:57<manny>hy
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16:57<manny>yh
16:57<manny>hedllo
16:57<manny>hello
16:58<ivan>hello.
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16:58<manny>how ared you
16:58<manny>are ou
16:58<manny>you
16:58<manny>yh
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16:59<manny>hello
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17:00<ivan>you're gonna have a bad time saying hello to everyone who joins
17:00<erm35>it's sure!
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17:07<jade__>any help with pam?
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17:13<mdx0>u559
17:14<mdx0>setenforce logan
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17:15<mdx0>https://www.1.0000.1.01
17:16<mdx0>annette
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17:24<jade__>well, endless fiddling seems to have fixed it
17:24<jade__>cool!
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17:30<mdx0>https://www.conrad.de/de/Search.html?searchType=REGULAR&search=1338756%20-W%20N&category=%1Ft02%1Fc17483
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18:56<ivan>should sbuild --extra-package= work when providing a package with a version older than in the debian release, or is that use case broken?
18:56<ivan>I see something like sbuild-build-depends-qbittorrent-dummy : Depends: libtorrent-rasterbar-dev (<= 1.1.1) but 1.1.1-1+b1 is to be installed
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19:12<ivan>themill: hmm, good point, I should test that, though I think they should be working
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19:37<sinsalov>Should I set automatic updates on VPS?
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21:00<sdk>Does someone knows how I can change my trackpoint sensivity on my thinkpad in Debian?
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22:21<tt>sdk: xinput maybe? I don't actually know.
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22:22<tt>but maybe that, or maybe xorg.conf
22:22<tt>oh, track/point/. same answer, but also there's a linux-on-thinkpad wiki that might help.
22:23<tt>https://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_configure_the_TrackPoint
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22:32<elof1>What is the difference between install DE during the installation and after installation
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22:32<tt>not much.
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22:33<tt>if you install it different ways / from a different top-level package/task or whatever, you might get some packages installed one way and not the other way
22:33<tt>like for kde for example there are two or three different sets, more minimal or more complete
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22:34<tt>a common practice is to just install a minimal text system then install packages (or tasks) later
22:34<elof1>I installed my MATE after the minimal text system installation
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22:37<elof1>I am going to uninstall libreoffice, would it cause losing DE?
22:37<elof1>uninstall libreoffice = uninstall DE?
22:38<tt>it might want to uninstall just the top-level fake package that only exists to depend on all the parts of the DE
22:38<tt>if it depends on libreoffice too
22:38<tt>but that's OK, you can let it
22:38<annadane>elof1, apt will tell you what it will uninstall. i doubt libreoffice will uninstall your DE but you can read what it's telling you before pressing y for confirmation, and you can also run it in simulation mode if you want
22:38<annadane>apt remove libreoffice -s or such
22:39<tt>... not sure how that interacts with autoremove... but it's never actually caused a problem for me
22:39<elof1>-s?
22:39<annadane>as i said, simulation mode
22:40<tt>you can also leave stuff installed; it uses up a little disk space but otherwise doesn't hurt anything
22:40<elof1>Do I still have to type apt-get since the autoremove has been changed to apt autoremove
22:41<tt>either is fine
22:41<tt>did it now list all the DE packages as able to be autoremoved?
22:41<tt>'cause you don't wanna do that
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22:42<elof1>so I can also type apt install ?
22:42<annadane>as of right now you can pretty much interchangably use apt apt-get and aptitude unless you know the differences
22:43<tt>and I do use all 3 every day
22:43<elof1>*unless I know the differences*?
22:43<tt>e.g., 'apt search' returns lots of results, nice when I'm not sure exactly what I'm looking for... aptitude search by default looks for patterns in just package names, useful for when I do know what I'm looking for
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22:44<annadane>well if you know the differences you can use them depending on your preferences
22:45<annadane>i use aptitude in sid a bunch because it does dependencies better
22:45<elof1>I know I can install packages through the terminal, but I don't know the package names
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22:46<elof1>software name is not always the package name
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22:48<elof1>How would I know the package name of the software? by apt search or aptitude search mentioned before?
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23:34<elof1>I accidentally closed the notification area on taskbar, how would I restore them
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23:36<elof1>notification on panel
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23:41<elof1>I want to restore software notification area on panel
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23:51<annadane>sorry, i don't use mate
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