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#debian IRC Logs for 2017-11-13

---Logopened Mon Nov 13 00:00:21 2017
00:01-!-Strife1989 [~quassel@adsl-98-80-190-179.mcn.bellsouth.net] has joined #debian
00:01-!-Strife1989 is "Michael Carr" on #debian #debian-next
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00:03-!-earthundead is "realname" on #debian
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00:13-!-Strife89 is "Michael Carr" on #debian #debian-next
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00:33-!-j_f-f_ is "J\xF6rg Frings-F\xFCrst" on #debian-hurd #debian-qa #debian-www #debian-voip #multiarch #debian-mentors #debian-reproducible #debian-systemd #debian #debian-games #alioth #debian-kbsd #debian-ubuntu #debian-gnome #debian-bugs
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02:32-!-zamuro is "Romanes eunt domus" on #debian #debian-es #debian-ve
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02:34-!-Strife1989 is "Michael Carr" on #debian #debian-next
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03:10<dpanter>debian merch links: https://www.debian.org/misc/merchandise
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03:54-!-Strife89|Quassel is "Michael Carr" on #debian #debian-next
03:54<sool>Ciao a tutti
03:54<sool>Ho installato Debian su VM
03:55<sool>Ed ho installato
03:55<sool>Xfce e GNOME come DE
03:55<o11c>,it
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03:55-!-jmux is "Jan-Marek Glogowski" on #debian
03:55<o11c>dammit what's the bot prefix again?
03:56<o11c>!it
03:56<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
03:57<sool>Grazie
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04:21<gtristan>How can I setup my multistrap.conf (as in https://wiki.debian.org/Multistrap, examples here: https://browse.dgit.debian.org/multistrap.git/tree/examples) so that I can include/exclude package names depending on the architecture I'm building for ?
04:22<gtristan>I currently have this: https://gitlab.com/BuildStream/debootstrap-ostree/blob/master/data/multistrap.conf.in
04:23<gtristan>Ever since I added the libsmbios-dev package there, the thing fails for arm64 and armhf (of course I guess) - do I have to have 2 multistrap.conf files, or generate one from a package list for each architecture on demand ? or is there a feature for this ?
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05:29<tlegentil>Hello everyone !
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05:51<tlegentil>I'm looking for information about scripts that are run at login time. - My issue is that when I login with SSH to a remote debian with debian, using interactive shell, everything goes fine. BUT if I want to run a remote command, the commands does not work, like ls. I have : "bash: ls: command not found". an echo $PATH is correct.
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05:52<grawity>does `type -a ls` find the command in $PATH?
05:52<grawity>can you run ls by its absolute path?
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06:04<tlegentil>ssh server ssh `type -a ls` : bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching ``'
06:04<tlegentil>bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file
06:05<tlegentil>with the remote command /bin/ls, this works
06:05<tlegentil>when I do the echo $PATH I have it correct :
06:05<Nemoder>/usr/bin/which ls
06:06<grawity>uh
06:06<tlegentil> /usr/bin/which ls returns empty ... .this is a good hint
06:06<grawity>first of all, make sure you're *actually* checking the remote $PATH, and not the local one
06:06<grawity>if you do `ssh server echo $PATH`, that expands all variables *locally*
06:06<tlegentil>ssh server $echo PATH
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06:07<tlegentil>uh ok
06:08<grawity>so all it really does is `ssh server echo /usr/bin:/bin:...`
06:08<grawity>use single-quotes or some other method, like `ssh server 'echo $PATH'` or `ssh server printenv | grep PATH`
06:09<tlegentil>ok I hgave a big hint here : `ssh server 'echo $PATH'` returns "/home/user/chromedriver" which I use for selenium as a $PATH definition
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06:10<tlegentil>thanks guys, I'' look into that direction
06:10<tlegentil>so my next question, as you are experts, how do I append my chromedriver location to the existing path ?
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06:11<tlegentil>ok sorry for this dump question, ....
06:12<tlegentil>sys.path.append(/home/user/chromedriver)
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06:14<tlegentil>thank you guys for the help, this is very appreciated, and thank you for give me some knowledge !
06:14<grawity>sys.path isn't even the same thing as $PATH ...
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06:15<tlegentil>I was using `browser=webdriver.Chrome(CHROMEDRIVER_LOCATION)`
06:16<tlegentil>so this rewrites the path ?
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06:17<tlegentil>when I login with interactive shell, the `echo $PATH` returns correct PATH values
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08:02<tlegentil>ok I found my issue, the PATH was defined in the /etc/environement file. Thank you for the help !
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10:28<anonyme22>Hell, how can I import a databse to mariadb?
10:28<anonyme22>Hello, how can I import a databse to mariadb?
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10:32<anonyme22>Hello, how can I import a database to mariadb?
10:32<blast007>anonyme22: did you try a search engine before asking here?
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10:32<anonyme22>blast007: do you think that I'm an idiot?
10:33<anonyme22>blast007: Yeah I did but I don't know the database name look https://dba.stackexchange.com/questions/24371/how-to-import-a-sql-file-in-mysql
10:35<blast007>does the .sql file have a create database and a use statement? if not, you'll need to create the database yourself and specify the database when importing
10:36<anonyme22>blast007: how can i figure it out?
10:36<blast007>figure what out?
10:37<anonyme22>if the file has a create database and a use statement
10:37<blast007>by looking at the file
10:38<anonyme22>less file.sql?
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10:38<blast007>or a text editor - your choice
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10:50<anonyme22>blast007: what do I need to check in phpmyadmin? I usually don't use it and don't know how to backup the database from there
10:50<blast007>so you're using phpmyadmin and not the terminal?
10:51<anonyme22>blast007: what do I need to check in phpmyadmin? I usually don't use it and don't know how to backup the database from there
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10:52<grove>Why are you using phpmyadmin now if you don't normally use it?
10:52<anonyme22>blast007: I usually use the command mysql I don't use any frontends like phpmyadmin, that's why I asked you how to export the database using phpmyadmin
10:53<anonyme22>Because it's the only option
10:53<anonyme22>that's obvious
10:53<anonyme22>I think it's better to ask the search engine than you all so helpful users
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10:54*bremner feels suddenly motivated to help
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10:54<bremner>oh wait, that's a different feeling entirely
10:54<anonyme22>bremner: get out of this support channel
10:54<anonyme22>you're nothing
10:55<bremner>well. A+ for social skills.
10:55<anonyme22>I just don't like the people who talk but do nothing
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11:01<blast007>well, have fun with that
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11:33<sinsalov>hi!
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11:33<anonyme22>blast007: Ok, I've exported the database and I don't know how to export the "db_shop" because the file also contains another database
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11:36<rob_debian>Hi all, please, I'd like to reinstall 'Eye of Mate' through backports in Stretch 9.2, but don't know its package name
11:36<anonyme22>rob_debian: apt-cache search "the package name"
11:36<rob_debian>Hi anonyme22, nice to meet and know you here ! Thank you very much :)
11:37<hendrikL>rob_debian: maybe that helps:apt search eye of mate
11:37<anonyme22>rob_debian: nobody helped me out but I hope it was helpful
11:37<rob_debian>fine, anonym22, really helped me. Thank you !! Glad to know from here, annoyme22 !
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11:38<rob_debian>fine, hendrikL, thank you very much for help !:)
11:38<rob_debian>nice to know you too :)!
11:38<hendrikL>np
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11:48<Grauwolf>hm. how does one get a amd rx550 running under debian. from what i gathered it should work ootb. having a debian testing/buster
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11:49<grove>Grauwolf: Questions about testing should go in #debian-next
11:50<Grauwolf>sorry. will do
11:50<rob_debian>please, how to install a tar.xz package in Debian Stretch ?
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11:51<rob_debian>need to install eom-1.18.3.tar.xz here
11:51<grove>Grauwolf: Nothing to be sorry about, I guide you there becasue I suspect there might be people who can help you better than I can
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11:55<grove>rob_debian: You don't. That file is not a package you can install, it's probably just an archive of the source code that you could build, there would hopefully be instructions on that near where you found it. And going around installing things from source without involving the package manager easily leads to breaking your system
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11:58<rob_debian>Fine grove, thanks for your explanation and Support ! grove, I'd like to install eye of mate 1.18.3, for debian backports only provides 1.16.1 and it's not opening some .jpg files here
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11:58<grove>Unfortunately, the 1.18.2 package in sid has build dependencies that are not available on stretch, so backporting is not simple
11:58<rob_debian>some of them are opened, but others aren't. can't understand why
11:58<rob_debian>I see grove, better I forget about it, so
11:59<rob_debian>thank you very much for attention and Great Support, grove !
11:59<rob_debian>I'll use 'gwenview' here, instead
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12:03<grove>The jpg format hasn't changed for years as far as I know, and I don't recall having problems opening jpg's unless the files were corrupt, so unless you have a good reason to, I wouldn't guess a newer eom would solve it. If the files are indeed corrupt, viewers handle it differently, I tend to prefer good old display (from the imagemagick package) to see the parts that can be seen
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12:05<rob_debian>grove, I really thought some of these files were corrupted... but, if they were really corrupted, other application shouldn't be able to open them. I can't open them with 'eom', but they are opened with 'gwenview' with no problem... do you have any idea why it's happening like that ?
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12:10<jhutchins>rob_debian: Could be a number of things, unsupported format, corruption that gwenview can handle ane eom can't, file size.
12:10<jhutchins>rob_debian: We strongly recommend against installing untested, unpackaged programs from third parties.
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12:11<jhutchins>rob_debian: It would be better to do something like run eom from the command line and see if it returns any errors on those files.
12:12<rob_debian>Hi jhutchins, nice to meet you ! I'll try it now, jhutchins, thank you very much !:)
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12:15<grove>rob_debian: As jhutchins says, some program can handle some corruption, while others can't handle the same. I mostly use ristretto to view pictures, it just shows an icon with a red exclamation mark (if I remember correctly, but it's really not important) if there is some error in the file, on the same file display (as I mentioned) display the parts it can decode and fills in grey blocks for ...
12:15<grove>... the rest. As I almost always run both from a command line I know they both output an error message
12:15<oliva>hi, is debian-mac-testing-amd64-netinst.iso a special iso for apple hardware?
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12:17<tt>never heard of it
12:18<rob_debian>please, grove , the name of application you use for opening pictures is called 'ristretto' ?
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12:19<oliva>tt it's here https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/
12:20<rob_debian>don't know how to open, for example, a DSC00249.JPG in command line, grove.... :(
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12:20<AndChat311001>Hy
12:20<AndChat311001>My wifi is not connecting after i upgraded denian
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12:21<AndChat311001>Networkmanager online wait failed also appears ln systemctl
12:21<AndChat311001>with some other modules
12:22<AndChat311001>anyone?
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12:25<user__>HI
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12:25<AndChat311001>Hy
12:29<rob_debian>well, have to go now, thanks for help and Great Support annonyme22, hendrikL, grove andjhutchins !
12:30<rob_debian>see you !:)
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13:52<olspookishmagus>is there a channel for debian-multimedia?
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13:54<bremner>which one? the debian team?
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13:56<sinsalov>I switched SELinux into enforcing mode and I can execute cat /var/log/audit/audit.log but I can't pipe it command.
13:56<sinsalov>How can I resolve this?
13:56<sinsalov> /bin/cat: standard output: Permission denied
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14:10<Johnjay>is this channel for talking about buster?
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14:16<jhutchins>Johnjay: Not really. Generic Debian support, but buster-specific questions should go to #debian-next
14:17<Johnjay>ok
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14:18<Johnjay>i've never had a package break for me using testing when stretch was testing
14:18<Johnjay>so i'm not sure what the right thing to do is
14:20<tacocat>olspookishmagus: #debian-multimedia as far as I can tell
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14:44<Natureshadow>Someone pulled the plug on the eiki ;)…
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14:49<jhutchins>Johnjay: For a broken package, probably ask there.
14:50<jhutchins>Johnjay: Ideally, you would check to see if the bug also exists in stable (dual boot, VM, chroot).
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14:51<Johnjay>hah
14:51<Johnjay>i asked if there was any advantage to running debian stable in the other channel
14:51<Johnjay>but nobody answered me
14:51<Johnjay>so now the truth comes out. you want to have both testing and stable running at same time or maybe in a chroot
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14:52<jhutchins>Johnjay: I do a parallel install and dual-boot. When Testing breaks I can still chroot to it and apply updates even if it won't boot.
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15:12<Johnjay>nice
15:12<Johnjay>is there any advantage to dual booting on the same system
15:12<Johnjay>i could have either 2 VMs or one VM with two hard drives one with test one with stable
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15:20<somiaj>Johnjay: depends on what it is you want out of the os. VM's can't fully do everything an os on native vs virtual hardware could.
15:21<somiaj>getting ful gpu support is hard in vm's though getting better.
15:21<o11c>Johnjay: using btrfs subvolumes you can do multiple linuxen on a single partition
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15:34<judd>Package: keepass2 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.19+dfsg-2; jessie: 2.28+dfsg-1; stretch: 2.35+dfsg-2; buster: 2.37+dfsg-1; sid: 2.37+dfsg-1
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17:31<olspookishmagus>what's the way to install firefox?
17:31<olspookishmagus>!firefox
17:31<dpkg>From 2006 to 2016, Mozilla Firefox was known as "Iceweasel" in Debian because Mozilla would not permit Debian to use the Firefox name. Firefox packages are now available for both jessie and sid; Firefox in Debian <stable> follows the Extended Support Release (ESR) branch. For the latest versions, ask me about <mozilla.debian.net>.
17:31<annadane>DO you have to be subscribed to debian-user@lists.debian.org to receive replies when you ask a question...?
17:31<olspookishmagus>!mozilla.debian.net
17:31<dpkg>For stable releases, newer versions of Firefox, Icedove and Iceape can be found at http://mozilla.debian.net/ ; you will want the "esr52" repository. For users of testing and unstable, updated packages are normally in <experimental>; only Extended Support Release (ESR) versions are suitable for release in <stable> so only those versions can be uploaded to unstable. As of v52, only the ESR version can be compiled for Jessie.
17:31<annadane>olspookishmagus, feel free to /msg the bot
17:31<olspookishmagus>ok thanks
17:34<olspookishmagus>oh I see there's a firefox 54 from apt-listbugs
17:34<olspookishmagus>#871947: [firefox] Firefox 55 regression for vCenter WebClient 6.0
17:34<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/871947 in firefox (open): «[firefox] Firefox 55 regression for vCenter WebClient 6.0»; severity: serious; opened: 2017-08-12; last modified: 2017-08-12.
17:34<olspookishmagus>so I can't have firefox installed to my system?
17:35<olspookishmagus>ok I've just looked @ http://mozilla.debian.net/
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17:35<annadane>olspookishmagus, slow down
17:35<annadane>,v firefox
17:35<judd>Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 56.0-2; experimental: 57.0~b9-1
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17:35<olspookishmagus>should I remove the pin from apt-listbugs?
17:35<annadane>what you can do is download the latest firefox from mozilla's site as a tar, or alternatively use the esr version apt install firefox-esr
17:36<olspookishmagus>I think I'll just take the esr option
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18:25<luizromario>Has anyone here tested installing Firefox from the Linux Mint or Ubuntu repos?
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18:31<somiaj>luizromario: why would you want to do that?
18:31<somiaj>we strongly suggest never installing packages that are not made for debian, so we wouldn't suggest such a thing here.
18:31<somiaj>!don't break debian
18:31<dpkg>i heard dont break debian is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian
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18:50<luizromario>somiaj: To install the newest version of Firefox
18:51<bremner>!mdn
18:51<dpkg>For stable releases, newer versions of Firefox, Icedove and Iceape can be found at http://mozilla.debian.net/ ; you will want the "esr52" repository. For users of testing and unstable, updated packages are normally in <experimental>; only Extended Support Release (ESR) versions are suitable for release in <stable> so only those versions can be uploaded to unstable. As of v52, only the ESR version can be compiled for Jessie.
18:51<bremner>hmm.
18:51<sdk>a bit outdated :P
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18:52<bremner>*shrug*. esr is good enough for me
18:53<somiaj>seems the issue is with rust, and we'll have to wait for rust to get into debian to have a newer firefox package.
18:53<bremner>but yeah, I see what you mean. unstable has 55-56 thesed days
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18:53<somiaj>luizromario: just use the precompiled binary from upstream, and install it in $HOME
18:55<sdk>bremner: I was referring to the message. Icedove should be rename to Thunderbird.
18:55<somiaj>bremner: I also think there is some extra policy problem putting a package into stretch-backports that cannot be built with tools in stretch, so this requires more than putting rust into stretch-backports.
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18:55<somiaj>sdk: it wasn't renamed in debian, mostly because there is little to no development, so the matainers aren't going backto the thunderbird branding.
18:55<sdk>luizromario: or in /opt if you want to install it system-wide
18:56<somiaj>maybe if more than bug and escurity fixes were created, debian will switch back to the mozilla brand, but from my understanding there is little reason to do so.
18:56<sdk>somiaj: but thunderbird is in the repo...
18:56<somiaj>,v thunderbird
18:56<judd>Package: thunderbird on amd64 -- jessie: 1:45.8.0-3~deb8u1; stretch: 1:52.3.0-4~deb9u1; wheezy-security: 1:52.4.0-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 1:52.4.0-1~deb8u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 1:52.4.0-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 1:52.4.0-1~deb9u1; buster: 1:52.4.0-1; sid: 1:52.4.0-1; experimental: 1:52.4.0-2~exp1
18:56<sdk>,v icedove
18:56<judd>Package: icedove on amd64 -- wheezy: 38.7.0-1~deb7u1; jessie: 1:45.8.0-3~deb8u1; jessie-security: 1:45.8.0-3~deb8u1; sid: 1:45.8.0-3; wheezy-security: 1:52.3.0-4~deb7u2; jessie-security: 1:52.3.0-4~deb8u2; stretch: 1:52.3.0-4~deb9u1; stretch-security: 1:52.3.0-4~deb9u1; sid: 1:52.3.0-4; wheezy-security: 1:52.4.0-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 1:52.4.0-1~deb8u1; stretch-proposed-updates:
18:56<judd>1:52.4.0-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 1:52.4.0-1~deb9u1; buster: 1:52.4.0-1; sid: 1:52.4.0-1
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18:56<somiaj>sdk: oh nevermind, I missed they finally got around to going back to the thunderbird name.
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18:57<somiaj>sorry, my info was outdated, didn't realize they finally got thunderbird back in the repo and icedove is now a transitional package in stretch.
18:57<sdk>np ;)
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22:12<elof_>Do you apt update every day?
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22:13<annadane>in stable you don't have to
22:14<elof_>how often should I to do so
22:14<ryouma>you don't?
22:14<annadane>no
22:14<annadane>also, i think you mean apt upgrade, not apt update
22:14<annadane>apt update just updates the sources list
22:15<annadane>https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-uptodate.en.html
22:15<ryouma>i've been running apt-update the whole time and didn't realize i did not need to?
22:15<annadane>no. if you for example change something in your sources list you would apt update to refresh the list of packages referenced
22:15<ryouma>ah
22:16<annadane>but even apt upgrade, you don't need to do that constantly in stable
22:16<jhutchins>ryouma: Yes, you need to explicitly run update so that your local database of available packages matches what's on the mirrors today.
22:16<jhutchins>ryouma: So a lot of us run apt* update && apt* upgrade.
22:17<jhutchins>(apt* being whichever flavor you run)
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22:17<annadane>*i* apt upgrade every day because i use unstable
22:17<elof_>annadane: every day?
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22:18<annadane>pretty much. i can't really think of the last time there was a day without any updates
22:18<annadane>debian maintainers are busy people
22:19<nicolas17>we have multiple servers in different parts of the world, and admins in different parts of the world, so it would make sense for our sanity if the server timezone was UTC for the sake of logs etc
22:19<nicolas17>currently many have different timezones set based on their geographical location or the VPS base image had by default or whatever
22:20<elof_>nicolas17: are you debian developer or maintainer?
22:20<nicolas17>any real-world advice about changing them to UTC? would software freak out if the timezone changes? would logs become a mess on the cutoff point?
22:21<annadane>nicolas17, which servers
22:21<annadane>there's probably a simple option to change it
22:21<annadane>whether it freaks out, i'm not sure, i'm inclined to doubt it
22:21<themill>dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
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22:24<annadane>dpkg-reconfigure is the standard option to change the time but i don't know how it relates to servers and how you would appropriately do it
22:24<annadane>dpkg-reconfigure tzdata*
22:24<annadane>probably just simply do it on the host machines
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22:26<nicolas17>guess I'll just do it and write down when I did it in case other admins look at eg. /var/log/syslog later and wonder about the time jump
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22:28<o11c>nicolas17: all servers should always use UTC
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22:29<o11c>nicolas17: since Linux always UTC internally, nothing technical is likely to break, just the logs ... but do make sure to restart the system so it gets applied to all programs properly
22:29<annadane>can probably do it via ssh or something
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22:33<nicolas17>o11c: so you recommend rebooting after changing? see, that's the kind of advice I was looking for
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22:34<o11c>nicolas17: it probably won't break anything *technical* if you don't, but having the same time look different in different logs is going to be far more confusing than the mere jump
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22:35<o11c>nicolas17: also, you *might* be able to get away with restarting individual services if uptime really matters, but usually it's not worth the effort
22:36<nicolas17>nah doesn't matter that much
22:37<nicolas17>there is one server where I really need to recover ILOM access... because if it's down for 5 minutes during the reboot it's fine, but if it doesn't boot back up and I don't have ILOM to troubleshoot and it takes hours for the hoster to do something, then it's more of a problem
22:37<nicolas17>and well... it serves www.kde.org :x
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22:41<elof_>I am using stable
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22:43<elof_>Is installing aptitude necessary?
22:44<o11c>elof_: apt vs apt-get vs aptitude is a personal preference
22:44<foot>how to change theme like over all theme?
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22:44<o11c>elof_: that said, *I* always use aptitude
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22:45<o11c>foot: there are at least 3 themes: session theme, login theme, boot theme
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22:45<nicolas17>aptitude is great, except on my raspberry pi 1 where it feels intolerably slow compared to apt-get ^^
22:45<o11c>foot: session theme can be changed by any user in whatever-your-DE's control panel
22:46<foot>o11c thanks for reply. do you about the slim theme, i kindly like :)
22:46<foot>do you know i mean
22:46<nicolas17>foot: which desktop environment are you using?
22:46<o11c>nicolas17: tbh for embedded systems that small I would use an apt "chroot" (not really), and just rsync it
22:47<nicolas17>eh I don't mind the wait that much
22:47<o11c>but that's purely theoretical, I don't admin any embedded systems
22:47<o11c>(although my IRC is on someone else's raspi)
22:47<foot>i dont the exact name but i think it is mate the default one
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22:48<elof_>o11c: what is the default
22:48<nicolas17>also, can I run apt on a "chroot" for a different architecture? I could run the apt and dpkg binaries for the proper arch, but I imagine if a maintainer script runs a native-code executable, I'm screwed
22:48<o11c>elof_: it varies depending on version
22:48<o11c>nicolas17: yes! I don't remember exactly how though
22:48<o11c>nicolas17: one of the debootstrap alternatives uses it, I know
22:49<elof_>o11c: stretch 9.2
22:49<nicolas17>this reminds me I haven't actually updated my raspi in a while and it has 52 updates
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22:52<o11c>elof_: then apt-get is a quasi-deprecated part of apt, and apt is `Priority: important`, and aptitude is only `Priority: optional`
22:52<nicolas17>I didn't know apt-get was considered deprecated
22:52<nicolas17>kinda sorta
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22:56<o11c>it won't go away, but it sometimes redirects to apt or something
22:57<o11c>I dunno, I use aptitude except for the first 5 minutes of installing a system
22:57<foot>nicolas17: i dont know what kind of desktop theme is this. kinda dark/mate/the windows button are similar to mac os
22:57<o11c>speaking of which, it is *really* annoying that `git` bails out if you try to commit as root
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22:57<o11c>it means I have to install git first, then configure it, then install etckeeper
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22:59<foot>where can i get a over all themes that compatible with parrot os?
23:00<o11c>!parrot
23:00<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
23:00<o11c>!based on debian
23:00<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
23:02<foot>ops sorry, im not allowed here?
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23:03<foot>byebye :)
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23:09<nicolas17>lol
23:09<nicolas17>why are there so many Linux newbies using "security and penetration testing" distros
23:10<annadane>nicolas17, good question, but off topic for #debian
23:10<elof_>What should Linux users be using?
23:10<elof_>lol
23:10<annadane>#debian-offtopic is a better place for discussion
23:10<elof_>let's go
23:12<elof_>! dpkg list
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23:25<elof_>I failed to sue the dpkg bot in this channel
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23:25<elof_>use
23:25<annadane>"list" is a command for italians anyway
23:25<annadane>dpkg: list
23:25<dpkg>annadane: È possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-9.0.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso !
23:25<tt>wrt kali, people probably like that it's a "rolling release", especially now that its upstream is debian
23:26<annadane>but dpkg won't show you a list of oftc channels if that's what you were trying to do
23:26<tt>also hackerz is fashionable
23:26<tt>and infosec
23:27<elof_>annadane: I managed to use it for sources.list
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23:27<sney>by marketing properly to actual security professionals, they also accidentally market to children who want to be a hacker like in movies
23:27<tt>yes, yes exactly
23:27<sney>(though kali's dragon logo was a little too much column b, imo)
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23:28<sney>a couple of the dpkg factoids for these distros used to include the statement that it does not magically turn you into a hacker
23:28<tt>apt-get is not deprecated
23:29<sney>not deprecated, just replaced with apt(8) in most docs
23:30<sney>I doubt it'll ever actually disappear
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23:30<tt>I see a lot of comments in support forums hyper-correcting people against using apt-get and aptitude
23:31<sney>yeah people in unofficial support areas sometimes get too excited about new tools
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23:32<annadane>my apt-get man page is a lot longer than the apt man page
23:33<annadane>though documentation obviously does take a while to catch up
23:33<annadane>and they're virtually the same anyway
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23:34<elof_>mv /home/elof/Downloads/NotoSansTC /etc/share/fonts/opentype/
23:34<elof_>directory was failed to move
23:34<tt>/etc/share/fonts/opentype/: not found
23:35<elof_>oh boy
23:38<elof_>I fogrget the directory is under /usr/
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