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#debian IRC Logs for 2017-11-15

---Logopened Wed Nov 15 00:00:24 2017
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01:13<Azure_Chaos>What is the current kernel version im trying to switch back to debian. Last time i had some issues that im hoping are resolved now if the kernel was updated. Also is there a backport of the new lts kernel yet?
01:13<jm_>,kernels
01:13<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.14.0-rc7-686 (4.14~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 4.13.0-1-686 (4.13.10-1); buster: 4.13.0-1-686 (4.13.4-2); stretch-backports: 4.13.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.13.4-2~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-4-686 (4.9.51-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.4-686 (4.9.51-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2+deb8u5); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1);
01:13<judd>wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.93-1)
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01:16<Azure_Chaos>Thanks for that it doesnt seem to have updated yet was hoping it would have.
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06:27<Drzacek>Hello
06:28<Drzacek>software for TV/dvbt? can't find anything
06:33<towo^work>vlc, mplayer, mpv, vdr
06:33<towo^work>kaffeine
06:33<grove>What do you want to do? `apt search dvb` gives a list of programs that can do various things
06:36<cousin_luigi>How is a new node created when a new block device is available?
06:36<cousin_luigi>I fear I've removed whatever it's responsible for that.
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06:41<Drzacek>grove, just watch tv
06:41<Drzacek>I'm trying kaffeine, but it looks it can't find anything (searching for senders)
06:41<grove>cousin_luigi: That is typically udev's responsibility
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06:44<cousin_luigi>grove: udev is installed
06:45<cousin_luigi>grove: The physical device appears to be detected by lsusb
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06:45<cousin_luigi>But there's no node, nor access when the thing is plugged in.
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06:46<jm_>does kernel say anything else about it?
06:46<cousin_luigi>jm_: dmesg? No
06:46<cousin_luigi>But to think of it I've only checked the ending.
06:46<jm_>cousin_luigi: did this work OK before? or on other systems?
06:46<cousin_luigi>jm_: Indeed.
06:47<cousin_luigi>jm_: I'm using it right now having booted from another partition.
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06:47<jm_>cousin_luigi: can you compare dmesg output on a working and non-working system after you plug it in?
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06:48<cousin_luigi>jm_: Good idea. If there is no other missing piece of software that you can think of.
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06:49<jm_>cousin_luigi: kernel + udev shall handle it
06:50<cousin_luigi>Will look at the kernel log, brb.
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07:03<cousin_luigi>jm_: Ok, no difference kernel-log-wise. But after a closer inspection, I see the device nodes are actually created, just not the partition ones. If I access the relevant node with cfdisk though, the partition magically appears.
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07:04<jm_>cousin_luigi: does «cat /proc/partitions» and kernel logs show partitions being detected?
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07:06<cousin_luigi>jm_: will reboot again, brb
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07:21<cousin_luigi>jm_: No and no. Unless I boot with a card inserted, in which case the partition is detected, but not the card removal.
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07:21<cousin_luigi>Has this more to do with module initialisation or some kde thingmajiggle?
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07:24<jm_>cousin_luigi: hmm but it is on another debian (linux?) system?
07:24<cousin_luigi>jm_: What is?
07:25<cousin_luigi>It works on openSUSE but not on stretch.
07:25<cousin_luigi>But since I've removed a few packages, I wonder if I could be responsible.
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07:26<jm_>cousin_luigi: I mean new device and partitions being detected by the kernel?
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07:26<jm_>have you tried reinstalling them?
07:26<cousin_luigi>jm_: I tried twice with the same system, oncee with the card out before booting and once with the card in.
07:26<cousin_luigi>jm_: I don't know which they are anymore.
07:27<lidia>hello
07:28<jm_>cousin_luigi: they are no longer in dpkg/apt logs?
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07:28<cousin_luigi>jm_: Hmm. I cleared a number of things, but will check again.
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07:33<cousin_luigi>jm_: Found it. But it's a bunch of stuff. Perhaps I could try a standard debian live before anything else.
07:34<jm_>cousin_luigi: yeah maybe do that first
07:34<cousin_luigi>jm_: Does debian still produce live images?
07:34<jm_>if nothing else boot the ISO from grub
07:35<cousin_luigi>I can see a xfce image.
07:35<jm_>cousin_luigi: sure https://www.debian.org/CD/live/
07:35<jm_>or direct links here https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/
07:35<cousin_luigi>thx
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10:12<cousin_luigi>https://i.imgur.com/vZb3D1P.jpg <- this is what happens with the debian kde live on my system
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10:57<bjmgeek>I see that there are (at least) 3 different password quality checkers in debian: passwdqc, cracklib, and pwquality. Is there any documentation on which would be preferrable?
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10:59<duncan>bjmgeek: why don't you look at the criteria?
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11:00<duncan>They're probably not great though; the best passwords are a phrase of random words, because they're incredibly easy to remember, but also very strong due to the length and the entropy of each word
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11:05<bjmgeek>duncan: I'd love to look at the criteria. That's what documentation I'm looking for.
11:05<bjmgeek>I looked at the man pages, but they weren't extremely helpful.
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11:07<duncan>well I suggest you look at something like http://world.std.com/~reinhold/diceware.html for strong passwords
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11:22<devbaka__>hey guys, someone knows how i can use "| tr" with an variable instead of a echo? also maybe like var=$($String | tr / -) or so?
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11:24<ukleinek>devbaka__: $ var=la/li; echo ${var//\//-}
11:24<ukleinek>la-li
11:26<ukleinek>devbaka__: that's a bashism however
11:28<devbaka__>ah, thanks you! :) it works, but i have know understand that i have to insert the echo too inside the $(). But your method i like more, thanks :)
11:29<devbaka__>i dont really like the bash, because this syntax... loops are to long and i have to watch about whitespaces? Its hard to befriend with bash for me :D
11:32<o11c>devbaka__: bash is a scripting language, not a programming language. There's a conceptual difference
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11:51<bjmgeek>duncan: I'm not looking to create a strong password. I'm looking to ensure that my users don't have crackable passwords.
11:54<Blacker47>... that then would be on post-it stickers on the monitors...
11:54<bjmgeek>That's fine.
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11:55<bjmgeek>I'm not as worried about a hacker that has physical access to their system, or even mine. I'm mostly trying to prevent simple passwords, that would be easily guessed.
11:56<Blacker47>bjmgeek, then it would be better to generate passwords and print-out it for users :-)
11:58<bjmgeek>Blacker47: well, that's one approach. The https://packages.debian.org/sid/otp package is nice for that.
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11:59<bjmgeek>and there's libpam-otpw for using it for logins.
12:00<Blacker47>bjmgeek, if you plan to use one time passwords, then you should live in a bunker there your users don't have access to.
12:00<bjmgeek>However, most of the time, people just use pam_unix, with a hashed password stored in /etc/shadow.
12:02<bjmgeek>and that's what libpam-cracklib, libpam-passwdqc, and libpam-pwquality come in. I was just looking for some advice on which one to choose.
12:04<bjmgeek>otpw is useful to have a printout in your wallet in case you're in a cyber cafe or library, and worried about keyloggers.
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12:07<guilherme>Hi, I would like to ask a bout some optimization tips on Debian. Is Zram a good idea? Does it compress all the memory? Doesn't it increase (much) the computational cost of the system itself?
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12:14<petn-randall>guilherme: What do you want to optimize?
12:15<petn-randall>!best
12:15<dpkg>Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!
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12:21<guilherme>As far as I understand it would increase the amount of available Ram, due to compression. Often I have to run memory costly codes, so this would increase my performance (avoid swap), but since it is compression it would also impose some CPU cost, right? This was the context of my question
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12:24<jhutchins_wk>guilherme: What kind of tasks are you using the system for?
12:26<petn-randall>guilherme: I know how zram works, I want to know what use case you have that you think warrants this.
12:26<petn-randall>!goal
12:26<dpkg>Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is.
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12:29<guilherme>I use it for general purposes, but often I run some numerical simulations. My goal would be to reduce the RAM memory used. Ideally define when using this compressing methods.
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12:30<guilherme>Sorry if I am not clear enough
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12:33<petn-randall>guilherme: I imagine if you're running some number crunching that any RAM compression would hurt performance. Do you even hit swap then?
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12:34<petn-randall>I don't think that RAM compression would help in that case, since it's needed by the running program, anyway. So if things from your program start getting paged out, you'll have a performance hit by the factor of ~10,000, anyway.
12:34<petn-randall>TL;DR: Better buy more RAM in that case.
12:35<guilherme>honestly most time, no, but a few times I get there. An example of task would be the eigendecomposition of a sparse matrix for example.
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12:35<guilherme>ok, I see
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12:37<petn-randall>I dunno, maybe zram would make it only 1,000 times slower.
12:38<petn-randall>swap is only really useful if you have many services running in parallel, and those not used can get paged out. Or if you want to hibernate a machine.
12:38<guilherme>ok, anyway is zram safe? If so I can perform a test for example and see.
12:39<guilherme>ok, I see
12:39<petn-randall>guilherme: Safe in what sense?
12:40<jhutchins_wk>guilherme: zram is still somewhat experimental.
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12:41<jhutchins_wk>guilherme: What it does is create a ramdisk which it uses for swap, data swapped to the ramdisk is compressed. It actually reduces the available RAM by the size of the ramdisk.
12:41*petn-randall chuckles.
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12:42<guilherme>I was thinking safe in two ways: (a) If I install it can my system crash? Would it be simple to uninstall it? (b) Data there would the reliable?
12:43<guilherme>ok, I understand that it reduces the available RAM by the size of the ramdisk, but I can think about some compromise, that is ok
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12:44<petn-randall>guilherme: I'd say it's reliable, but of course it's less well-tested than other parts of the system, so there is a small chance of critical bugs.
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12:45<guilherme>ok, I understand.
12:46<guilherme>Well, thank you very much for the informations, the help and patience :)
12:47<petn-randall>guilherme: You're welcome!
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12:59<jhutchins_wk>guilherme: Since it's still in development, you might want to play around with a test installation you could afford to crash. Unlikely to mess up the disk except as expected with a crash.
12:59<jhutchins_wk>guilherme: It's part of the kernel.
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13:00<guilherme>ok, but in order to test it I should recompile the kernel?
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13:08<aXeton>Hi
13:08<retrospectacus>hey
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13:11<jhutchins_wk>guilherme: I don't think you need to, it should already be there, it's just a matter of activating it and setting it up.
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13:14<aXeton>I would like to ask, I know that Debian is not supporting i486 platform some time, but teoretically, would it be even possible to recompile (at least base packages) from Stretch to run on i486? Have some older machines (i486, some i586) and need at least network on them... Thank you in advance for answer
13:15<guilherme>ok, thanks
13:15<petn-randall>aXeton: I think the kernel doesn't support those devices anymore.
13:15<petn-randall>aXeton: You might be able to use oldstable or oldoldstable, dunno if they still support i486.
13:16<guilherme>ok, thanks!
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13:16<aXeton>I saw some articles where was written that linux kernel dropped support for i386, for i486 I am not able find relevant info...
13:16<grawity>the upstream kernel is one thing; the build options for Debian are another
13:17<jhutchins_wk>You can always grep the config file in /boot
13:17<petn-randall>aXeton: You could try, I guess. Would be an interesting experiment. I would only do it for giggles though, since a 30$ Raspberry Pi is faster than those machines.
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13:17<aXeton>I like Debian very much, therefore I would like to stay on Debian-way
13:18<blast007>guilherme: how much RAM do you have? and how much memory do you need?
13:18<aXeton>I know, I keep them because I like older machines, sweet nostalgia
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13:21<guilherme>I have 16Gb, but when I am dealing with big matrices (> 10^4) I cannot process them here
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13:21<cousin_luigi>https://i.imgur.com/vZb3D1P.jpg <- this is what happens with the debian kde live on my system. Any guess?
13:22<blast007>guilherme: would it fit into 32GB? 64?
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13:23<jhutchins_wk>aXeton: It's possible to "port" kernel code to other architectures, but a lot of software is being written exclusively for 64b address space these days.
13:23<petn-randall>!debian live
13:23<dpkg>The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. NOT recommended for installing Debian. Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . http://live.debian.net/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org; also see <live login>, <uefi live>.
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13:23<jhutchins_wk>aXeton: Chrome, for instance, isn't provided for 32b architectures.
13:23<mladen>irc.all4y.net
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13:23<guilherme>yes, probably
13:23<evaluate>Hello.
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13:23<petn-randall>cousin_luigi: ^^^ If you want to install, use the firmware installer. If you want to beta-test the live images, you can check out their channel and ask where to report bugs.
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13:24<cousin_luigi>petn-randall: Firmware installer? What's missing?
13:24<Guest589>Is there any way to do a network autoconfiguration preseed since the introduction of the new network card names (e.g. ens32)?
13:24<cousin_luigi>Anyway thanks, will ask on the other channel.
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13:26<aXeton>jhutchins_wk: yep, got it, saw even that some Linux distro's are planning to drop support even for all x86 and maintain only amd64_x86 builds
13:27<Guest589>Right now what I'm doing is passing the bootflag net.ifnames=0 just so I can netcfg/choose_interface to eth0 and be sure that that's the correct name. I'm just wondering if there's a more elegant way to do this.
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13:43<blast007>guilherme: from the sounds of it, zram might make it slower in general (instead of just when you would have exhausted your 16GB). It's gonna reserve a chunk of your RAM, compress it and treat it as a swap device, and it will page in/out data from the other parts of RAM as needed. So you'll have less memory available for your processes that are actively reading/writing to memory.
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13:56*cousin_luigi has a problem with stretch/KDE: after updating everyhing he removed these packages http://sprunge.us/GjNR . Now a card reader that works perfectly elsewhere (and on stretch live image), doesn't access any card nor detect any partition unless the relevant node is opened in cfdisk. I assume one of the now missing packages is responsible for this. Any guess?
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13:59<guilherme>blast007: Ok, I understand. Would it be possible to activate it just under special circumstances? Lets say that I am going to process a huge matrix, then I activate it, process, save the results, then turn it off
14:00<blast007>or just buy more RAM?
14:00<guilherme>it is a notebook and I cannot add more
14:00<guilherme>it is the physical limit
14:01<blast007>perhaps that's the wrong tool for the job then
14:02<guilherme>uhm, ok, thank you :)
14:06<blast007>certainly give zram a try
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14:08<guilherme>I think I will. I will try to finish some critical work, then backup and test a little bit
14:08<guilherme>thank you very much!
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14:10<bjmgeek>guilherme: How many CPU cores do you have in your system? Are they all at maximum utilization? For instance, if you have 16 cores, and your system load average is 10, you have 6 more cores that could be used, and zram may make sense. On the other hand, if your load average is higher than the number of cores, you're already CPU bound, and adding compression is a bad idea.
14:11<bjmgeek>guilherme: How many CPU cores do you have in your system? Are they all at maximum utilization? For instance, if you have 16 cores, and your system load average is 10, you have 6 more cores that could be used, and zram may make sense. On the other hand, if your load average is higher than the number of cores, you're already CPU bound, and adding compression is a bad idea.
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14:11<bjmgeek>oops, sorry for the double post.
14:12<bjmgeek>guilherme: however, I'd recommend doing some testing. Try one computation with and one without zram, and time it to see how it performs.
14:12<guilherme>bjmgeek: I have an i7 8 cores
14:12<guilherme>bjmgeek: I am thinking about doing that
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14:12<bjmgeek>guilherme: you can check load average with the 'w' command.
14:12<guilherme>bjmgeek: It is something I should try
14:12<bjmgeek>or 'top'
14:13<bjmgeek>you can time a long running job with 'time'
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14:14<blast007>!load average
14:14<dpkg>well, load average is the number of processes that are either in a "runnable" (waiting for CPU) or uninterruptable state, averaged over time. It's like the number of people in line at the checkout. It's possible to have a high load average with low CPU utilization if systems are waiting for other resources, e.g. I/O, network socket responses.
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14:15<bjmgeek>true, but usually those processes are in a S state then
14:15<guilherme>on average it is quite low and on specific tasks I tend to use 4 on numerical experiments and even 8 on simulations (my own codes, so I can control it)
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14:16<bjmgeek>guilherme: You can also see the memory usage with top. Just hit M while top is running.
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14:18<bjmgeek>Here are a few articles about zram performance. They may or may not be helpful to you.
14:18<bjmgeek>http://www.webupd8.org/2011/10/increased-performance-in-linux-with.html http://www.webupd8.org/2011/10/increased-performance-in-linux-with.html
14:18<bjmgeek>oops
14:18<bjmgeek>https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1277756-zram-its-whats-for-your-cpus-dinner/
14:19<guilherme>bjmgeek: Thank you very much!! I will read them!
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14:21<guilherme>I have to go now. Thank you very much for all the help!! :)
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15:20<supaman>I am trying out samba4 as an ad-dc service but having little luck, I followed the instructions here: https://www.server-world.info/en/note?os=Debian_9&p=samba&f=4 and everything seems fine except when I try to get a kerberos ticket, kinit administrator gives me "kinit: cannot find KDC for realm "$MYREALM" while getting initial credentials, my smb.conf and krb5.conf are here:
15:20<supaman>https://paste.debian.net/995945/
15:20<supaman>why doesn't kerberos work?
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15:39<grawity>can you successfully resolve SRV records at _kerberos._udp.<yourdomain>
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15:40<supaman>grawity: how would I do that?
15:41<grawity>try `dig -t SRV _kerberos._udp.example.com` for a start
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15:43<supaman>grawity: well, I got an answer, a bit long to paste here :-)
15:43<grawity>the point is
15:43<grawity>did it successfully resolve the SRV record
15:43<grawity>and does the SRV record point to your AD DC?
15:46<supaman>grawity: not sure what to look for in the dig answer, one of the lines says ";; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 8666" if that is the answer that is supposed to come
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15:48<supaman>grawity: another is ";_kerberos._udb.myrealm IN SRV ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: . 10800 IN SOA a.root-servers.net nstld.verisign-grs.com 2017111502 1800 900 604800 86400"
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15:48<annadane>!paste
15:48<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
15:49<annadane>if you want to provide more detailed output
15:49<supaman>sorry for bad format, have to retype all this, cant cut and paste from the virtual machine unfortunately (only command line there, no graphics)
15:49<annadane>!termbin
15:49<dpkg>somebody said termbin was you can paste to termbin.com from terminal via: cat /path/to/file | nc termbin.com 9999
15:50<supaman>ahhh, thanks for that annadane :-)
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15:52<supaman>grawity: the output from dig is here http://termbin.com/qgy9
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15:58<supaman>if you got confused by the "heima" realm name, then that is the real name of the realm on my machine, wasn't going to give it out so changed it to MYREALM in the paste with the config files
16:00<grawity>Kerberos realm names should generally be valid domain names
16:00<grawity>that's not as important to plain Kerberos, but much more so for AD
16:00<grawity>it doesn't matter that much if it's not a "real" global domain, but it needs to be resolvable via DNS
16:01<grawity>that's how "full" AD clients generally find the DC and such
16:01<supaman>grawity: ok, so heima.lan would be a valid domain name then?
16:02<grawity>I think you could get away with just 'heima', but yeah, I'd do .lan
16:02<grawity>(just because I'm not sure about Windows mixing up the "short" NT4 domain and the "full" AD domain names)
16:03<grawity>but the point is, it needs to be resolvable – the DNS requests for *.heima.lan must go to the AD DC
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16:03<supaman>ok, but samba is supposed to take care of the DNS right?
16:04<grawity>depends on what you mean by "take care of"
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16:05<supaman>ahh, right, badly worded ... samba is supposed to be the DNS server (at least I followed the instruction on server-world and there the default selection when provisioning samba is to use sambas internal DNS)
16:05<grawity>yeah, it includes an authoritative DNS server, so the above could be "the DNS requests for *.heima.lan must go to Samba"
16:05<grawity>but your current DNS server (192.168.122.1) hasn't been told about that yet
16:06<grawity>does it run something configurable (like unbound/dnsmasq/bind9) or just a regular home router?
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16:07<supaman>ahh, 192.168.122.1 is the host for the virtual machine, so if I tell my virtual machine to use itself as the DNS server will it then use the SAMBA dns service?
16:07<grawity>well, no
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16:08<grawity>>_>
16:08<ach>old ach
16:08<grawity>"if I tell my virtual machine to use itself as the DNS server will it then use the SAMBA dns service?"
16:08<supaman>the plot thickens :-)
16:08<grawity>you can do that
16:08<grawity>...I think
16:09<grawity>I remember Samba had settings for "forwarders" – you put 127.0.0.1 (Samba's IP address) in resolv.conf, and your real server (192.168.122.1) somewhere in smb.conf
16:09<supaman>I get the feeling that the directions I followed setting this up is far from complete
16:09<grawity>technically that should work, except I really really do not trust Samba's DNS serving abilities
16:10<grawity>but try that anyway, it's the simplest method I guess
16:10<grawity>especially for a private domain
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16:10<grawity>I misread the earlier sentence
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16:12<supaman>so put nameserver 127.0.0.1 in resolv.conf and dns forwarder = 192.168.122.1 in the smb.conf?
16:12<grawity>yeah
16:13<supaman>the dns forwarder goes in the global section of smb.conf right?
16:13<grawity>yes
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16:15<supaman>ok, the dns forwarder was already in smb.conf, and editing resolv.conf to nameserver = 127.0.0.1 did not help
16:15<supaman>no when I do the dig command there is much less output
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16:16<supaman>http://termbin.com/x5b6
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16:17<supaman>did not change the realm to heima.lan though
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16:18<grawity>_udp, not _udb
16:18<supaman>dohhh, sorry about that
16:18<grawity>the 'aa' flag at least tells Samba recognizes *.heima as a local domain
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16:19<supaman>http://termbin.com/vc9h
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16:19<grawity>looks okay
16:20<grawity>the 2nd part would be editing /etc/krb5.conf to remove all the junk that dpkg put there
16:20<grawity>well, really, remove the realm from under [realms] so that it'll actually use the SRV records instead
16:20<grawity>or if you want to keep it, then at least make sure the kdc = setting is correct
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16:21<supaman>this is my current krb5.conf http://termbin.com/6jjp
16:21<grawity>if that's all there is, then `kinit Administrator@HEIMA` should work
16:23<supaman>still getting the Cannot find KDC for realm "HEIMA.LAN" while getting initial credentials
16:23<supaman>I changed the realm to HEIMA.LAN both in krb5.conf and smb.conf
16:23<grawity>that's not going to work without reprovisioning from scratch
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16:24<supaman>ah, ok
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16:24<supaman>so have to run samba-tool again?
16:24<grawity>maybe even nuke the existing provision
16:24<grawity>the AD domain name (and therefore the realm name) is deeply embedded in the DC's data files
16:25<supaman>umm, if I change it back to HEIMA in those config files, should that work?
16:25<grawity>it should
16:25<supaman>ok, will try that
16:25<grawity>if kinit gives weird errors, try adding the -C or -E options
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16:26<supaman>nope, no difference
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16:26<grawity>export KRB5_TRACE=/dev/stderr
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16:29<supaman>so did kinit Administrator@HEIMA &> krb ... then uploaded krb to termbin here: http://termbin.com/zftw
16:31<grawity>looks somewhat truncated
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16:33<supaman>I get pretty much the same on my screen without the redirection, except the first line in the termbin I see last on my screen and no MA line, not sure where that comes from
16:33<grawity>hmm
16:33<grawity>can you resolve "sambatest.heima" though?
16:33<grawity>as in, getting an IP address from `dig sambatest.heima`
16:34<supaman>well, it pings ... ping sambatest.heima gives me results
16:34<supaman>but dig doesn't give me results
16:35<grawity>that's probably part of the problem
16:35<grawity>try to fix it using `samba-tool dns add/query/delete/etc.`
16:36<grawity>in the mean time, you can also try adding a [realms] section to the krb5.conf:
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16:36<grawity> HEIMA = {
16:36<grawity> kdc = localhost
16:36<grawity> }
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16:37<supaman>here is the results from dig sambatest.heima http://termbin.com/gfcl
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16:37<grawity>that's a pretty regular "no such domain"
16:38<grawity>if it didn't get added by the initial provision, or by samba itself auto-updating its own DNS entry, use `samba-tool dns add` to fix it
16:38<supaman>so `samba-tool dns add sambatest.heima 127.0.0.1` ?
16:38<grawity>actually hold on for a moment
16:39<grawity>your `dig` is again querying 192.168.122.1 even though you previously put "nameserver 127.0.0.1" in resolv.conf
16:39<grawity>did DHCP revert that or something?
16:40<supaman>ahh, right, it got reverted, will fix that again
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16:40<grawity>sambatest.heima should be fine after that
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16:40<supaman>ahh, yeah, now it digs it ;-)
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16:41<supaman>and now I get a different error from kinit
16:41<supaman>oh wait, its asking for password ... ;-)
16:41<supaman>oh my oh my ... I think this worked!!!
16:42<supaman>yup, klist lists the ticket
16:42<supaman>so it is just to keep resolv.conf pointing to the local machine
16:43<supaman>(remembering the huge thread on debian-user about resolv.conf now)
16:43<grawity>what software is the host (*.122.1) running?
16:43<supaman>Debian also
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16:43<grawity>if it runs something like dnsmasq for DNS, you could just configure *that*
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16:44<supaman>well, this was just a test to try and figure out the kinit thing, I got a hardware server at work I am trying to get to work and will work further on there :-)
16:44<supaman>grawity: thank you so much for your time, this has been great
16:44<grawity>since dnsmasq, unbound, etc. support per-domain forwarders in addition to global ones
16:45<grawity>so in addition to the global "server=8.8.8.8" you could have "server=/heima/192.168.122.xyz"
16:45<grawity>which is how many actual AD networks do it
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16:46<supaman>well, at work it will be just one server and a router (a dumb one, can't do much on it), not going to pursue this here at home, dont have any machines to test
16:47<supaman>the router is a dns forwarder to the ISP, will probably use the ISP dns as a dns forwarder for SAMBA at work
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16:53<grawity>just make sure to pick the domain name wisely, it's a major pain in the ass to change
16:53<supaman>yeah, at work I choose a domain.lan thing
16:54<supaman>chose
16:54<grawity>that should be okay (as long as it's not .local)
16:54<supaman>oh, thats not valid?
16:54<grawity>*.local is reserved for mDNS (Avahi/Bonjour)
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16:55<o11c>well, reserved for *something*
16:55<o11c>and mDNS is the most common "something"
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16:55<grawity>no, it was specifically reserved for mDNS in RFC 6762
16:56<rob_debian>HI all, please, should i use root user to delete these files ? https://paste.debian.net/995964/
16:56<rob_debian>I'm using bleachbit here as normal user
16:56<o11c>that reminds me, is there a way to automatically append .local when I try to resolve a dotless domain?
16:56<o11c>IIRC inhibiting that kind of thing is why domain names can end in a .
16:57<o11c>rob_debian: uhhh
16:57<o11c>rob_debian: you should never use anything other than `apt` or `dpkg` to touch anything in /usr/ other than /usr/local/
16:58<grawity>o11c: maybe `export LOCALDOMAIN="local"`? it's like the resolv.conf "search" setting, but should affect all modules equally, not just dns
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16:59<grawity>supaman: I'd probably even use a global (sub-)domain that the company owns (e.g. "ad.example.com")
16:59<rob_debian>Hi o11c, thanks for reply ! so, bleachbit is useless ?
16:59<o11c>I have no idea what that is
16:59<grawity>doesn't mean it has be reachable globally, just unique globally
16:59<o11c>but it sounds like a virus
17:00<grawity>o11c: it's a "crap cleaner" kind of app
17:00<annadane>don't use bleachbit on regular files unless you know you need bleachbit
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17:00<annadane>like for serious privacy concerns
17:00<grawity>legit, but IMHO it's crap in itself
17:00<annadane>if you're trying to remove files... just remove the files
17:00<rob_debian>well, bleachbit is an application to clean log files and available in debian stable repository
17:00<annadane>but also know *why* you want to remove the files and make sure it's actually a good idea
17:01<o11c>I just use kdirstat (or qdirstat recently) to look at what's taking space
17:01<supaman>grawity: ok, that is a good idea but will stick with what I got for now ... might reconsider later on (its all a learning curve for me at the moment so doing the domain provisioning often is good for me :-) )
17:02<rob_debian>annadane, hi ! my doubt is: should I use bleachbit as root user too ? there is this option
17:02<o11c>rob_debian: you clearly don't understand what it's doing, so you should not be using it at *all*
17:02<annadane>^^
17:02<o11c>rob_debian: and stuff like logrotate *already* keeps logs from wasting space forever
17:03<o11c>the *one* time I ever had to delete logs myself was when I had GNOME installed and tracker-miner crashed multiple times per second
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17:04<annadane>if you keep guessing what to do and rushing ahead you are going to break your system
17:04<rob_debian>I understand partially the idea of 'bleachbit', but, as I said you: I know it partially... but, it seems no one uses it.... and it takes a long time to 'clean' Linux file system...
17:04<rob_debian>yes, annadane, I see
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17:05<rob_debian>ok, already done here....let me see what 'dmesg' shows about it, if my debian is broken already....
17:06<annadane>rule of thumb: unix is quite advanced, technologically. instead of abstract solutions to try to fix your problem (real or perceived) there's probably a simple tool or method available for doing it
17:06<supaman>rob_debian: I don't think anyone here knows "exactly" what bleachbit does (I for sure don't), but from the description it seems like it is made to clean up the user folders from unneccesery files, not system folders
17:07<annadane>and auto-cleaning cruft is a bad idea
17:07<annadane>if you're sure it's cruft, why not do it yourself
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17:08<rob_debian>Hi supaman, thanks for information. in fact, supaman, I think I will be causing more damage than 'cleaning' my system of useless files, which have no practical and useful function within Debian
17:09<annadane>that said i'm sure there's actual ways to do it (especially /var things) which are accurate
17:09<annadane>autocleaning /usr/share? no thanks
17:09<rob_debian>and annadane doesn't use it... o11c doesn't use it... grawity doesn't use it... you certainly don't use too, supaman, so, why should I use it ?
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17:10<annadane>well i don't use it just because i'm stingy about keeping track of everything anyway
17:10<rob_debian>ok, my doubt about 'bleachbit' is fixed...
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17:10<supaman>first time I hear about it :-)
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17:11<rob_debian>I see, annadane, I'll think about this 'Debian Warrior' point of view...
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17:12<annadane> /var is for temporary files, and things that change. /usr/share is a lot more critical
17:12<bjmgeek> /quit
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17:12<rob_debian>well, supaman I brought a useless novelty for you today, lol.
17:13<supaman>rob_debian: thanks :-)
17:13<rob_debian>supaman, at least you will not have the future intention of installing this in Debian
17:14<annadane>(that said it's probably fine to remove gnome-help, but you don't really need to unless you need the space)
17:14<rob_debian>yeah, annadane, and that's not the case here
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17:17<rob_debian>well, o11c, annadane, grawity,supaman, bjmgeek, thanks for High Quality Great Support and attention :) now, I'll take an aspirine and study about your analyzes, but not today
17:17<annadane>rob_debian, and also the other thing is in general - i don't know specifically about gnome-help - but if you remove files it can mess with dependencies
17:18<annadane>i know if you remove konqueror it also removes half of plasma
17:18<annadane>so if you really want to remove files, just use apt, which has dependency management
17:18<annadane>(which is stupid, i agree, but that's the way it goes)
17:19<rob_debian>yes, annadane, and it's the kind of thing I would never want to do, and if this ever happened, it was out of sheer stupidity ... now, see if my system is broken ...
17:19<annadane>that actually wasn't really the best answer... point being, don't use bleachbit on /usr/share
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17:21<rob_debian>yes, annadane, but, please, if there is any abnormality here in my system, 'dmesg' would be the command that would show me some information about new issues and errors ?
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17:25<rob_debian>please, these are red messages in 'dmesg':https://paste.debian.net/995968/
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20:51<emmanuel>i want install google earth on my parrot os
20:52<bremner>!parrot
20:52<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
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23:29<kingsley>Why would neither "dlocate -S " nor "apt-file search " report which package has the file "/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libdc1394.so.22.2.1"?
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23:33<kingsley>A newer dlocaet package works.
23:33<kingsley>s/dlocaet/dlocate/
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23:38<kingsley>A newer version of apt-file works too.
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