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#debian IRC Logs for 2017-11-20

---Logopened Mon Nov 20 00:00:31 2017
00:05-!-dboehmer_ [~quassel@p5DD9EA73.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #debian
00:05-!-dboehmer_ is "Daniel B\xF6hmer,,," on #debian
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00:08-!-Strife1989 is "Michael Carr" on #debian #debian-next
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00:23-!-zerick is "Erick Ocrospoma" on #powerdns #vtluug #debian-mentors #linux-nfs #vserver #spi #debian-qa #linuxfs #slackware #linuxpowered #munin #virtualization #debian-mysql #virt #debian-systemd #ext4 #debian-cloud #debian-openstack #ceph #debian #debian-es #ovirt #debian-offtopic #qemu #debian-kbsd
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00:26-!-Q-Master^Work is "Vladimir Berezenko" on #debianppc #debian #debian-next
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00:28-!-j_f-f is "J\xF6rg Frings-F\xFCrst" on #multiarch #debian-bugs #alioth #debian-games #debian-ubuntu #debian-kbsd #debian-voip #debian-systemd #debian-reproducible #debian-gnome #debian #debian-www #debian-hurd #debian-qa #debian-mentors
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00:34-!-Akash is "Akash Raj" on #debian
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00:40-!-ach67662 is "KVIrc 4.9.2 Aria http://kvirc.net/" on #debian
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00:51-!-jm_ is "." on #debian #debian-ops
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00:55-!-lion is "realname" on #debian
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00:57-!-shawn is "shawn" on #debian
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00:59-!-jade__ is "jade" on #debian-mysql #debian
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01:07-!-infinity0_ is "unset" on #debian #debian-mentors #debconf #debian-science #debian-rust #debian-mozext #reproducible-funding #binary-transparency #reproducible-builds #debian-reproducible #debian-privacy-tools #debian-gnupg #alioth #noisysq #otr #monkeysphere #cryptoparty #tor-project #tor
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01:12-!-kathenas is "Phil Wyett" on #debian-gnome #debian-reproducible #debian-bugs #debian-www #debconf #debian #debian-cd #debian-qa #debian-offtopic #debian-mentors #debian-derivatives #debian-live #debian-next
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01:13-!-kowalski_g is "Gabriel Kowalski" on #debian
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01:26-!-mgl is "mgoral" on #debian
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01:28-!-prosser is "Jiří Prosser" on #debian #debian-cs
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01:33-!-debalance is "Philipp Huebner" on #debian-qa #debian-devel-changes #debian #debian-kde
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01:40-!-jade__2 is "jade" on #debian-mysql #debian
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01:40-!-alanz is "Your Name" on #debian #smuxi
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01:50-!-cmacq2 is "Johan Ouwerkerk" on #debian-next #debian-kde #debian
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01:50-!-ghost is "realname" on #debian
01:50<ghost>hello
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02:08-!-Gromit is "Jan-Hendrik Palic" on #debian
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02:09-!-marcus is "Marcus Lundblad" on #debian #debian-gnome
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02:13-!-earthundead is "realname" on #debian
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02:13-!-antgel is "TD" on #debian
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02:15-!-isaagar is "I Sagar" on #debian-in #hamara #debian-diaspora #debian-mobile #debian-arm #debian #debian-offtopic #debian-live #debian-azure #debian-boot #libindic #debian-gnukhata #debian-ruby #debian-ftp
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02:24-!-chele is "chele" on #transparencytoolkit #debian-next #debian
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02:44-!-briner is "BRINER Cédric" on #debian #debian-fr
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02:47-!-briner_ is "BRINER Cédric" on #debian #debian-fr
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02:50-!-mischka___ is "Mischka Katz" on #debian
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02:51-!-sadrak|work is "purple" on #debian
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02:54-!-cpaelzer is "Christian Ehrhardt" on #virt #debian #debian-qemu
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03:04-!-SKYRAN is "SKYRAN" on #debian-boinc #debian-amd64 #debian #debian-in #alioth #debian-fa #debian-i18n
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03:14-!-sep__ is "Ronny Aasen <ronny@aasen.cx>" on #debian-edu #debian #fai #virt #debian-openstack #ceph
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03:23-!-gtristan is "Tristan Van Berkom" on #kernelnewbies #qemu #debian #ninja-build #debian-next #reproducible-builds
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03:32-!-resmo is "rene moser" on #debian
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03:32-!-debian_ is "realname" on #debian
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03:33-!-ansel is "Andreas Seltenreich" on #debian
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03:39-!-Edhil is "One of the last" on #debian-welcome #debian-fr #debian
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04:00-!-Texou is "Jean-Philippe MENGUAL" on #debian #debian-es #debian-it #debian-devel-es #debian-devel-it #debian-mate #debian-l10n-fr #nvda #brltty #debian-a11y
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04:08-!-err404 is "realname" on #debian-fr #debian #debian-boot
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04:18-!-ansel is "Andreas Seltenreich" on #debian
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04:40-!-pamaury is "Amaury Pouly" on #debian #oftc #debian-kde #debian-next
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05:05-!-Volley is "Wolfgang Scheicher" on #realraum #virt #debian-live #debian-kde #debian-next #debian
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05:11-!-Maarten_ is "Maarten" on #debian-nl #debian
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05:12-!-isaagar is "I Sagar" on #debian-in #hamara #debian-diaspora #debian-mobile #debian-arm #debian #debian-offtopic #debian-live #debian-azure #debian-boot #libindic #debian-gnukhata #debian-ruby #debian-ftp
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05:19-!-bluca is "purple" on #debian-efi #debian-next #debian-ftp #debian
05:25<blah>hey
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05:30<SynrG>blast007: I was trying to avoid that, but I agree. it looks like for all but the simplest use cases, the Debian mediawiki package is useless. sad, really.
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05:31<SynrG>themill: yes, yes it does at last. it was only dropped for Jessie, but with Stretch it's back again. it was a security update that broke my third-party skin. :(
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05:33<SynrG>ah, blast007 pointed that out. (hadn't scrolled enough in huge backlog)
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07:15<bleck>does this have alive people in it, or is everyone idle
07:15<grawity>depends on whether you're gonna ask something interesting
07:16<bleck>I'm trying to find out if my ISP has their config wrong
07:16<bleck>I need someone who uses linux pppd to dial up
07:17<bleck>I want to confirm that the "remote IP address" is the gateway/ptp address
07:17<bleck>because when I dial up, it's giving me 10.0.0.1
07:17<bleck>Nov 20 02:39:12 firewall pppd[7617]: local IP address 118.127.106.216
07:17<bleck>Nov 20 02:39:12 firewall pppd[7617]: remote IP address 10.0.0.1
07:18<grawity>yeah, it's the PtP address, but it doesn't actually matter much what address it is
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07:18<grawity>since there's no need for ARP lookups across a PtP device
07:18<bleck>Currently, I use "nodefaultroute" and just route to the interface, however, without that, 10.0.0.1 conflicts with my own router
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07:19<bleck>ok, well i'll speak to my ISP anyways
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07:54<Megaf>Hi all, anyone with an iMac G5 running Debian?
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08:12<Guest916>The Internet speed is slow.
08:12<Guest916>porrot
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08:13<Guest916>why?
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09:20<annadane>!parrot
09:20<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
09:20<annadane>oh, sorry. didn't even realize this was an hour old
09:20<petn-randall>annadane: They left quite a while ago.
09:20<annadane>yeah.
09:20<petn-randall>:)
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13:02<raul8salazar>Hello! I'm using debian 9 on my toshiba laptop l505 and I have problem with audio until i reboot the machine. Some ideas whats the problem?
13:02<blast007>you'll have to be a bit more specific
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13:06<o11c>I have noticed a lot of people complaining about stuttering ...
13:06<o11c>I've even had it myself possibly, but I don't trust my sound hardware so not sure.
13:06<diegito>hello everyone
13:07<raul8salazar>blast007: when i use something with audio everything goes slower and the audio is very bad.. then i reboot my machine and i works fine. I dont know how to explain it further..
13:07<blast007>so after a reboot the audio works fine too?
13:07<raul8salazar>Yes
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13:08<raul8salazar>Youtube, spotify, all fine...
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13:09<raul8salazar>Any ideas?
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13:10<raul8salazar>I can say its like sttutering..
13:10<blast007>so if audio is fine after a reboot, when does it start having issues?
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13:12<raul8salazar>When i boot the machine just once. For example, if I want to see videos on youtube i have to reboot my machine to get good sounds. The problem is present always, but no always i play videos or music
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13:14<retrospectacus>so if audio is fine after a reboot, when does it start having issues?
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13:17<raul8salazar>The issues are always present. If i just going to use writer or impress theres no need to reboot the system, everything is normal. But if a want to listen to music, i need to reboot for get good sound. Thats the problem i don't understand
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13:24<jhutchins_wk>raul8salazar: Time to start sifting through the logs.
13:25<jhutchins_wk>raul8salazar: Sounds like something is hanging on initial boot and hogging the CPU. Top might be helpful.
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13:26<raul8salazar>jtutchins_wk: thanks. How can i use top for this?
13:26<jhutchins_wk>raul8salazar: Run top in a VT.
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13:27<raul8salazar>Yes, but after that? :s
13:27<jhutchins_wk>raul8salazar: Look at /var/log/syslog and dmesg|less
13:27<jhutchins_wk>raul8salazar: Look at it. See what's using CPU.
13:28<jhutchins_wk>raul8salazar: Confirm that CPU usage is high when the problem exists.
13:28<raul8salazar>Nothing inusual.. 1%.. 3%... nothing more..
13:28<jhutchins_wk>Is sound working correctly now?
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13:32<raul8salazar>No, because i dont reboot my system.. now i'm playing vídeos on youtube and ff is on 35% of cpu, web content 45% and xorg 7% :s
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13:36<tremon>raul8salazar: what are you using as audio output? your gfx hdmi port perhaps?
13:38<o11c>raul8salazar: what does the CPU usage of pulseaudio look like?
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13:41<raul8salazar>tremon: pulseaudio is on 2 or 3%.. Now i see that firefox is on 27% and web contnt 45%.. is that a problem?
13:41<raul8salazar>My audio outputs are my laptops speakers.. nothing more
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13:42<o11c>raul8salazar: does pulseaudio have a nice value? (usually -11)? Is there anything else with a nice value (other than the kernel tasks with -20)?
13:42<tremon>I'm going with firmware problem. try updating your laptop's bios
13:43<tremon>it's usually the more complex subsystems (network, video) that present issues in linux when not properly initialized by the bios, but with laptops all bets are off
13:43<raul8salazar>o11c: pulseaudio has -11.. should i change that?
13:44<tremon>you can also try disabling everything windows- and fastboot-related in the bios
13:44<raul8salazar>tremon: how can i check if i got all firmware updated?
13:45<tremon>check your laptop's support page for the latest bios version, search through your bios screens to find your current bios version
13:47<tremon>on the linux side, there is no specific firmware for audio
13:47<jhutchins_wk>raul8salazar: dmesg | less, search for "firmware"
13:47<o11c>raul8salazar: no, -11 should mean pulseaudio always does sounds when it can
13:47<tremon>(at least, fafaik)
13:47<o11c>raul8salazar: have you had the problem in any program *other* than firefox?
13:48<o11c>raul8salazar: ... you don't still use Flash Player, do you?
13:49<raul8salazar>No, i dont have flash installed. Now with your help guys i see that my cpu is too high all the time with firefox.. :s
13:49<raul8salazar>Checking dmsg
13:49<jhutchins_wk>raul8salazar: Yes, but that's normal for firefox.
13:50<o11c>jhutchins_wk: it shouldn't be
13:51<o11c>jhutchins_wk: for me the only time firefox uses any CPU is when playing GIFs (but real video formats cause no problem)
13:51<piper>CPU is at 66F (18C) using firefox quantum
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13:52<o11c>quantum isn't in stable
13:53<piper>no, it's not, but I take it straight from moz
13:53<annadane>piper just likes to brag :)
13:53<piper>annadane: why brag, this is linux
13:53<raul8salazar>Using now on chromium is worse..more slower yet.. :s
13:54<o11c>I just started playing youtube in the background ... firefox peaked to 130% for a couple seconds, then dropped back to 3%
13:54<pron>use safari
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13:55<o11c>the funny thing is, firefox uses *less* CPU when it's in the foreground
13:55<raul8salazar>o11c: i have the same experience, but remains in 45 or 60%
13:55<o11c>but still ... not a significant amount, and not enough to cause any heat
13:55<o11c>raul8salazar: do you have good video drivers?
13:55<o11c><3 intel
13:56<raul8salazar>o11c im using free drivers.. is that fine?
13:56<o11c>not necessarily ... AMD and NVIDIA have some crappy problems in any of the 3 combinations you can use
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13:57<o11c>(non-free driver, non-free firmware + free driver, free only)
13:57<o11c>I usually found that non-free firmware + free driver worked best
13:57<o11c>for AMD at least
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13:58<o11c>(nonfree driver made X crash; without firmware performance was awful)
13:58<piper>4.5.0 NVIDIA 384.98 Direct Render: Yes no problems here
13:58<pron>;[
13:58<raul8salazar>I have a Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset
13:59<o11c>piper: "direct render" is obsolete as a measure of "is my graphics driver working"?
13:59<o11c>raul8salazar: lspci | grep VGA is the important thing here
13:59<piper>o11c: whatever, witcher 3 plays great
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14:00<raul8salazar>o11c: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07)
14:01<raul8salazar>Its that helpful?
14:01<o11c>Yes. okay, so driver problems are unlikely
14:01<o11c>do make sure that you have both security and stretch-updates enabled in sources.list; some installation methods don't add them
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14:03<raul8salazar>They all are enable. With contrib non free..
14:03<jhutchins_wk>o11c: On two core 2 systems I see 45% or more usage with firefox, single digits with chrome.
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14:03<jhutchins_wk>I think you are looking at things that would result in a constant problem rather than one that is solved by a reboot.
14:04<jhutchins_wk>What we need to ask is what the difference between the initial boot state and the reboot state is.
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14:06<raul8salazar>jhutchins_wk: i dont know what is the difference, except for my audio and video problem... I need to reboot every time that i want to listen to music or play videos and get good quality...
14:06<raul8salazar>For others programs i dont see any difference without rebooting
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14:08<raul8salazar>Thanks to all for the time. I need get back to work. Saludos desde Paraguay!
14:08<jhutchins_wk>raul8salazar: Come back when you have more time!
14:09<raul8salazar>jhutchins_wk: i will!
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14:28<rob_debian>Hi all, please, I'd like to analyze about this sources.list: https://paste.debian.net/996745/
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14:30<rob_debian>the question is: it has only been possible to find applications necessary for debian to work well on this laptop through a non-free repository. For example, without this repository, I would not be able to make Debian run on this computer because it needed specific firmware for that...
14:32<jhutchins_wk>rob_debian: Right. Most firmware is non-free.
14:32<rob_debian>Hi jhutchins_wk, nice to meet you here! My Debian as a whole works very well, stable, does not crash, is very fast, installs everything accurately and successfully
14:33<jhutchins_wk>rob_debian: It's non-free by design because it's possible to violate national regulations by modifying it.
14:36<rob_debian>fine, jhutchins_wk, I hope this does not imply not being in agreement with the Debian Project Policy, because I had no other choice.
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14:36<rob_debian>if I were using the fully stable repository, I would not have been able to use debian on this computer - it wouldn't be able to run without these specific non-free firmwares I've told you
14:37<Hydroxide>rob_debian: the Debian project has multiple goals, one of which is to meet its users' needs, right alongside software freedom - so don't worry about that
14:37<Hydroxide>there's a reason we offer a non-free archive, and it's because we are aware of the realities of the world, despite our ideal preferences.
14:37<rob_debian>Hi Hydroxide, nice to meet you too :) I see Hydroxide, surely this point of view makes sense
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14:44<jhutchins_wk>The GNU foundation is less compromising. Their answer is "get different hardware".
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14:48<rob_debian>I see jhutchins_wk
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14:50<rob_debian>well, as a user that Loves Debian, I'll always tend to get all the Best alternatives for my computers, and surely it implies using Debian always, not replacing it with other system, despite the fact I like slackware and freebsd too (but Debian is much better)
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14:51<rob_debian>that's why I'm a bit worried about it. I tried to make debian running fine with wireless configuration for a specific hardware here and I couldn't get good result till the moment.
14:52<rob_debian>well, I think you did understand me, jhutchins_wk and Hydroxide...
14:53<jhutchins_wk>Don't worry about it, it's just a fact of life with free software.
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14:54<jhutchins_wk>rob_debian: This thing is it's up to you. Debian does make it possible to configure a system that's free by GNU standards given hardware that fully supports Linux.
14:54<jhutchins_wk>Doesn't mean you have to do it that way.
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15:31<rob_debian>back again, sorry, jhutchins_wk, I was absent
15:32<rob_debian>I see, jhutchins_wk... just a fact of life related to free software.
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17:31<cjac>hey folks
17:31<cjac>I can't see my mouse pointer on buster
17:31<cjac>anyone seen this problem lately? I found some old bugs about it, but nothing modern
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17:33<sdk>cjac: this channel is for stable/oldstable support. For unstable go to #debian-next
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17:35<cjac>thanks!
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18:16<B_>I am seeking out on how to remove a network interface either through iproute2 or net-tools utilities
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18:16<B_>ip link delete eth1 gave me an 'RTNETLINK answers: Operation not supported' error
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18:18<Arcade>ran as sudo?
18:18<Arcade>or su?
18:18<B_>sudo yup
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18:20<tt>I don't think you can do that
18:20<tt>you can just disable it
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18:22<tt>ip link add/delete are for various types of virtual devices that you can, well, add and delete
18:22<tt>like bridges
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18:22<B_>actually I have no second interface
18:22<B_>I just wanted to test sth and added a fake eth1 in network/interfaces
18:23<B_>... since then I am unable to remove that fake eth1 from under my shoes
18:23<tt>it shows up under 'ip link show' ?
18:23<B_>yup
18:23<B_>MAC address +1 from eth0
18:24<B_>not up
18:24<B_>eth1: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST> mtu 1500 qdisc noop state DOWN mode DEFAULT group default qlen 1000
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18:24<B_>forgot the '3: ' prefix
18:24<tt>interesting
18:24<Arcade>did you turn the device to a down state before deleting?
18:25<B_>mmh... I can't recall what kind of shitstorm I might have created attempting to delete it.... maybe not
18:25<B_>the machine rebooted at least once anyway
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18:26<Arcade>ip link set dev eth1 down
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18:27<B_>Well i surely did that many times... bu after having attempted to delete it
18:27<B_>well ran it again, no change to the list
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18:27<Arcade>ip link set dev eth1 down && ip link delete eth1
18:28<B_>$ sudo ip link set dev eth1 down && sudo ip link delete eth1
18:28<B_>RTNETLINK answers: Operation not supported
18:28<tt>B_: so you removed the stuff from /etc/network/interfaces and rebooted, and still it exists?
18:28<B_>yup..... scary isn't it?
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18:29<tt>what did you put in /etc/network/interfaces? Pretty sure that defining some config for a non-existent device does not create a dummy device by that name.
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18:30<B_>I actually duplicated the content from eth0, including some pre-up & post-down hooks for DHCPv6
18:31<B_>pre-up, pre-down*
18:31<B_>Oh I forgot to mention: what I duplicated was an IPv6 interface
18:32<B_>it was: iface eth1 inet6 static + config following
18:32<B_>I had not duplicated the inet one
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18:33<tt>you're sure you didn't do more elsewhere
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18:34<B_>I even tried to remove eth1 from /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules as I found that somewhere, not getting what I was doing
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18:34<B_>the interface was renamed, but still there
18:34<B_>put the back-up back and name came back
18:35<tt>what was it renamed to?
18:35<B_>you got me there...
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18:35<canaima>canaima
18:35<B_>ens0? unsure though
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18:36<B_>I could try it again but that'd require a reboot, wouldn't it?
18:36<tt>yeah but that's OK that's close enough to tell me what I wanted
18:36<B_>isn't that systemd crap?
18:36<B_>this name
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18:37<tt>kinda, yes
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18:38<tt>do you have anything in /etc/systemd/network/ ?
18:39<B_>nope
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18:39<B_>I am not using systemd as init FWIW
18:40<tt>are you certain it's not a real interface
18:40<tt>??
18:40<B_>well before my little experiment I only had lo + eth0
18:41<tt>maybe you just didn't notice it because it wasn't configured?
18:41<B_>I am a little bit wary of that
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18:43<B_>the that there is an entry in the persistence-net.rules talking about PCI made me think that too
18:43<B_>it's a rented box I must admit I never digged into such oddities
18:43<B_>the fact*
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18:44<tt>you said the mac addr was 1 off from the eth0 mac addr, yeah? and you didn't specify that
18:44<tt>that sounds more like real h/w than an alias
18:44<B_>yup
18:44<B_>02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Limited NetXtreme II BCM5716 Gigabit Ethernet (rev 20) 02:00.1 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Limited NetXtreme II BCM5716 Gigabit Ethernet (rev 20)
18:45<B_>..
18:45<B_>lspci ftw
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18:45<tt>I'm glad you found it, you were making me question everything I thought I knew :)
18:46<B_>So as long as I never created an interface for eth1, the second hardware was not to be discovered
18:46<tt>no, I'm sure it was there all along
18:46<B_>and now that i put my hands in the mud... I am stuck w/ it
18:46<tt>just down and unconfigured
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18:46<B_>isn't there a way to remove it?
18:46<B_>it's down anyway
18:46<tt>well you can block the driver from loading, but that will get rid of both
18:46<B_>xD
18:46<B_>bad for a rented box, right? :D
18:46<tt>you may be able to tell the driver to only load 1, I dunno
18:47<tt>I have never wanted to hide one
18:47<tt>I just ignore unused add'l interfaces
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18:47<B_>I wondered why this interface was not discovered on install in the first place
18:47<B_>wonder*
18:48<tt>what do you mean?
18:48<tt>is it connected to anything?
18:48<B_>why interfaces was not populated w/ both from install time
18:48<tt>I think it only puts into interfaces what it was able to configure in the installer
18:48<tt>either via your static config given or via dhcp etc.
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18:49<B_>but then it *adds* something somewhere
18:49<tt>what do you mean
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18:49<B_>which is now there and we can't remove? oO
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18:49<tt>like I said, I'm sure eth1 has been there all along, you just never noticed
18:49<tt>do you normally use ifconfig or ip addr ?
18:49<B_>it seems there is some new 'memory' of that second interface created by my little experiment
18:49<tt>ifconfig doesn't show down ifaces unless you do -a
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18:50<B_>I tend to use iproute2 tools these days
18:50<B_>I must admit I also tried the old ones to solve that pb :D
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18:51<B_>I am pretty sure eth1 did not pop up in the lsit before what I did
18:51<B_>(ip list)
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18:52<Brigo>B_ it shouldn't.
18:52<tt>Brigo: he has two NICs
18:52<tt>or a dual-port NIC or smth
18:52<Brigo>yes, i see that.
18:53<tt>then why would you say it shouldn't show up in e.g. `ip addr show`
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18:54<Brigo>tt, yes, it should. i am wrong. sorry.
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18:55<B_>I am pretty sure I had no eth1 before I tried this stupid duplication, I wanted to create a virtual interface and I went for eth1 without much thinking
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18:55<tt>just configuring e.g. an ip addr for a non-existent iface in interfaces is not enough to create a virtual device
18:56<tt>I am essentially certain you just didn't notice it
18:56<tt>and your system is currently behaving exactly like I'd expect one to
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18:56<Brigo>B_, i use to use meaningfull names for virtual interfaces like etherone
18:56<B_>OK then, my bad
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18:57<tt>pro-tip tho, don't be tempted to use the old-style eth0:0 aliases, I do not think they work for ipv6
18:57<B_>tt: I think I recall having used ip link add eth1
18:58<B_>strangeI ran that if ip link show popped eth1 then....
18:58<tt>I don't think you can do that w/o specifying a type
18:58<tt>Not enough information: "type" argument is required
18:58<B_>I was more going for br* or alike, since it'll be a bridge eventually anyway
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18:59<B_>I don't recall that parameter value
18:59<tt>try it yourself :)
18:59<B_>should it have warned me if I were to touch an existing interface?
18:59<B_>you're right actually :D
19:00<B_>RTNETLINK answers: File exists
19:00<B_>I don't recall having seen that....
19:00<tt>that's the warning you asked about
19:00<B_>nope
19:00<tt>yes, it is.
19:00<B_>it was RTNETLINK answers: Operation not supported
19:00<tt>no, I mean "should it have warned me if I were to touch an existing interface?"
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19:01<tt>and, yes, delete is not supported for physical interfaces
19:01<B_>yes but I don't recall having had it when I experimented
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19:01<tt>because I don't beleive you did what you are saying you think you did :)
19:01<B_>let's put all that on my failing memory then..
19:01<tt>yes.
19:01<tt>happens to the best of us.
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19:03<Brigo>hair-To-Keyboard Interface issue. it would seem tt is pointing out :)
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19:03<Brigo>Chair*
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19:17<B_>'the best of us' :D
19:17<B_>I want *names* xD
19:18<annadane><--
19:21<B_>I want *proof*
19:22<tt>how far back do your kernel logs go
19:22<tt>also, if you hadn't edited the persistent udev rules file, you could have looked at the mtime on it
19:23<B_>42 B.C.
19:24<B_>I preserved the timestamp on the backup
19:24<B_>2013
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19:27<B_>I got kernel logs up to 4 weeks
19:27<B_>little bit more in fact
19:28<tt>welp, go back to before you started your experiments, and see if eth1 was being detected
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19:30<B_>I suppose a simple grep w/ eth1 would be enough?
19:31<B_>1st entry late 2017-11-19
19:31<B_>around 18:00 UTC
19:32<B_>Well the system had not reboot for ages though
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19:35<tt>compare with a grep for eth0
19:37<B_>Why is it you who always got the cleverest yet simple ideas? I am officially dumb.
19:37<B_>(ni news there)
19:37<B_>no
19:37<tt>I assure you, I am quite dumb.
19:39<B_>Wow I got a rela 'martian source' spam in there
19:39<B_>real
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19:39<B_>Well, 1st message about eth0 2 hours before the first for eth1 on the 19th
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19:44<B_>Nope I was wrong
19:44<B_>1st message for eth0 on 2017-10-26
19:44<B_>those martian sources were scarce at the time
19:45<B_>It seems that since the reboot hell broke open
19:45<B_>I tell u sth's not right
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20:14<B_>tt: Since that first eth1 message came long after eth0, any conclusion?
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20:27<carlos_>hi
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20:28<carlos_>i have a little problem with my debian
20:28<carlos_>could someone give some help?
20:28<annadane>!ask to ask
20:28<dpkg>Don't ask to ask. Don't ask if anybody can help you with x. Just ask! If you're unsure how to phrase your question, ask me about <ask>.
20:29<tt>B_: I assume none of them are the 'detected on boot' messages I was hoping for
20:29<tt>B_: in which case, it's as-expected, proves nothing
20:29<tt>B_: since unplugged interfaces rarely generate much log entries
20:30<carlos_>i try to install "boxes" but when install from software app it giveme this message
20:30<carlos_>Detalles del gestor de paquetes:
20:30<carlos_>W: Ignoring invalid record(s) in sources.list file!
20:30<carlos_>E: Could not find the repository
20:31<annadane>,v boxes
20:31<judd>Package: boxes on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.1a-2.3; jessie: 1.1.1-4; stretch: 1.1.2-5+b1; buster: 1.2-2; sid: 1.2-2
20:32<carlos_>i think is somenthing about the sources.list but im not sure
20:32<B_>Unplugged interface do not generate traffic?? Something is *wrong* on the Internet
20:32<annadane>carlos_, can you post your sources list ("cat /etc/apt/sources.list"), "apt-cache policy boxes" and "apt-cache policy" to paste.debian.net, please?
20:33<carlos_>ok
20:34<carlos_>https://paste.gnome.org/pasnf6vdk
20:38<annadane>carlos_, well, i'm not sure what the issue is, but while we're working on this you might as well put main contrib non-free at the end of every line in your sources list, as you already have main and contrib there
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20:40<carlos_>well i try it
20:40<annadane>carlos_, so just change it to this https://paste.debian.net/996796/ and apt update
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20:43<awal1>why should he put non-free (and contrib) annadane if he don't need it (them) or don't know why they aren't there/they are? annadane
20:43<awal1>your suggestion may deserve an explanation :P
20:43<annadane>because he's already put it there and it's spread inconsistently
20:44<annadane>and contrib components can depend on non-free and vice versa
20:44<awal1>right
20:44<carlos_>well its doesnt work :(
20:44<annadane>no, i didn't expect it to, that was just something to do in the meanwhile, to save you headaches later
20:44<annadane>now to address your actual problem
20:44<awal1>carlos_, which release?
20:44<annadane>stretch
20:44<annadane>see his sources list above
20:45<carlos_>in previous ocassion i dont have problem to install boxes
20:45<annadane>i don't know if it might be a mirror error? that's the first thing i can think of
20:46<carlos_>wel if i try to install from the terminal it make the process
20:46<carlos_>but dont install anything when it finish
20:46<annadane>carlos_, when you try it in the terminal, could you post your output from that to paste.debian.net?
20:47<carlos_>ok
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20:47<annadane>(i suspect it's the same message but let's see anyway...)
20:49<carlos_>well now the terminal tellme that boxes is install
20:49<annadane>well, good
20:50<annadane>it probably had to do with commenting the line
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20:50<carlos_>but the icon doesnt is
20:50<carlos_>i try to run from terminal
20:51<annadane>carlos_, again, can you post the output to paste.debian.net, please?
20:51<carlos_>https://paste.gnome.org/pr5k2njh6
20:52<carlos_>it is in spanish
20:52<annadane>!localized errors
20:52<dpkg>To provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install".
20:52<annadane>LC_ALL=C apt-get install boxes
20:52<annadane>but i can translate that pretty well anyway, it looks like boxes installed successfully, not sure what the problem is
20:52<annadane>you do have 1 package held back
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20:53<annadane>but other than that, not sure what the issue is?
20:53<carlos_>yes it say me that boxes its install
20:53<carlos_>all looks good
20:53<annadane>:)
20:54<annadane>for future reference, add # to code that you want the terminal to ignore
20:54<carlos_>but boxes doesnt install maybe when i restar my computer its works
20:54<carlos_>ok anadane i will do
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20:55<annadane>carlos_, you can also try starting boxes from the terminal
20:55<annadane>just type "boxes"
20:55<annadane>but yes, the problem was that the "stretch-updates, previously known as volatile" didn't have #, which means apt treated it as a repository, thus giving you the error message
20:55<carlos_>i did that but bxes doesnt star anyway
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20:56<annadane>it says it's a filter; i'm not sure whether it's a seperate program or whether it's meant to be invoked with other commands
20:56<annadane>and if it's not a seperate program (in other words, doesn't launch by itself) it wouldn't have an icon
20:57<annadane>unfortunately i'm not familiar with the program
20:57<carlos_>well its oks it only a program to virtual SO
20:57<annadane>in fact, a text filter almost assuredly wouldn't launch its own program. i think everything is fine
20:58<annadane>right
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20:58<carlos_>well its ok annadane i try to google it
20:58<carlos_>thanks for the help ;)
20:59<annadane>you're welcome :)
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21:02<annadane>this is why it's important to parse a question... which i didn't do properly, you need to know how to answer it
21:02<annadane>that was unnecessarily long for what it was
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21:12<B_>Anyone knows how to have routes setting up properly after having created a bridge interface and made it tap unto the physical one?
21:13<B_>DHCP fails w/ 'network unreachable' as no route exist anymore
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21:22<mibaz>Hey guys! I really screwed up :/ tried to set wine up for 32 bit and it broke apt. Now nothing works (including my X server). It happened when I added i386 foreign architecture as far as I can tell. Does anyone know how to recover? termbin.com/8as0
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21:23<o11c>!debian-next
21:23<dpkg>#debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
21:24<mibaz>Thanks o11c! I'll head over there
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23:07<kashete>hello
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23:07<kashete>hello guys
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23:08<kashete>lets have some topics
23:09<kashete>hey?
23:09<kashete>hello?
23:10<bremner>!chat
23:10<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
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