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#debian IRC Logs for 2017-11-28

---Logopened Tue Nov 28 00:00:42 2017
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03:48<mms_>I have installed debian and it used gnome desktop which is bit heavy on my 2GB ram netbook. I would like to install lighter UI can one guide me ?
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03:58<tt>there's a few options
03:58<tt>lxde, lxqt, xfce, mate, cinnamon, more
03:58<tt>some you can install with `sudo tasksel`
03:59<tt>https://wiki.debian.org/DesktopEnvironment
03:59<grawity>unfortunately they need to apt install some patience first
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04:00<tt>alas
04:01<tt>I used to have a script to let me filter joins/parts/etc. but not when they were e.g. someone that just spoke
04:01<tt>need to find that again
04:01<tt>and of course it was that rare question that is easy to answer :)
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05:24<hadleigh>hello all
05:24<hadleigh>anyone now is good for photoshop
05:24<hadleigh>anyone know what is a good photoshop software
05:25<petn-randall>hadleigh: You mean a free software replacement?
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05:26<hadleigh>all i have is image magic
05:26<hadleigh>so yeah something free
05:26<petn-randall>hadleigh: The usual tool is "gimp".
05:26<hadleigh>does not have to be the bee's knee's
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05:50<fasiek>hello
05:50<petn-randall>hi fasiek, do you have a Debian support question?
05:51<fasiek>no, maybe you
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05:52<fasiek>petn-randall: for me it`s very good, stability system ;>
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06:03<guardian>hello, when upgrading from jessie to stretch, I got no error message and yet postgresql-9.4 remained installed, postgresql-9.6 got installed as well, and databases were not migrated
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06:04<guardian>should this have been fully automatic or is it normal that I'm suppose to migrate dabatases myself?
06:07<grove>That's normal
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06:15<petn-randall>guardian: That's completely normal, since people might have custom functions/code built into their database which might or might not work upgrading. You can upgrade those database with "pg_upgrade", it'll do the right thing in the usual cases. As always, have backups!
06:15<fasiek>guardian: dpkg --configure -a
06:16<fasiek>guardian: apt-get install -f
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06:18<petn-randall>fasiek: That's irrelevant for guardian's question. You'd only use that if dpkg failed during upgrade.
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06:33<guardian>petn-randall: so I need to pg_upgrade then uninstall 9.4?
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06:35<petn-randall>guardian: That's how I would do it, yes.
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06:42<guardian>ok will try, thank you
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08:08<luke>So, I have a weird thing going on with apt. Trying to install Sensu from their repo's. I've added them to /etc/sources.list.d/ in a file called sensu.list.
08:08<luke>I've ran apt-get update
08:08<luke>When I try to find the sensu package, it can't find it
08:08<luke>When I run apt-cache policy it doesn't show the sensu repos at all.
08:09<luke>However, when running apt-get update I see it hitting the sensu repos
08:09<luke>What is wrong?
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08:11<jm_>try to look at what you see in /var/lib/apt/lists/*sensu*
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08:12<luke>I do see repositories.sensuapp.org_apt_dists_stretch_Release
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08:12<luke>File looks good.
08:14<grove>!bat
08:14<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
08:15<grove>In this case your /var/lib/apt/lists/*sensu* file(s) might be valuable too
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08:18<luke>http://paste.debian.net/997977/
08:21<luke>http://paste.debian.net/997979/ here is /var/lib/apt/lists/repositories.sensuapp.org_apt_dists_stretch_Release
08:22<luke>and the .gpg: http://paste.debian.net/997980/
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08:56<gladioacuto>I have a certificate to digitally sign documents (pdf). Users in my company do use Acrobat to sign with it. What can I do? Is there any alternative on stretch? Neither Atril or Evince does the trick
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09:00<Edhil>gladioacuto: maybe libreoffice : http://vmiklos.hu/blog/pdf-sign.html
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09:05<gladioacuto>Edhil, probably not recent enough in Stretch? sudo dpkg -l libreoffice >> ii libreoffice 1:5.2.7-1 amd64 office productivity suite (metapackage)
09:06<grawity>there's always backports
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09:12<hendrikL>gladioacuto: http://portablesigner.sourceforge.net/ ?
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09:14<hendrikL>gladioacuto: there is a version 2 on github iirc
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09:15<marshall>can anyone help me?
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09:16<Edhil>gladioacuto: you can still download .deb for LibreOffice 5.4 from http://www.libreoffice.org/
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09:44<lpffsgb>Hello everyone. I am about to receive a new laptop and would like to do my first ever minimal install of debian. With this minimal install I would like to use lightdm and the openbox window manager. What will I need to install in order to get a minimal working system ?? Xorg, xinit, nvidia/intel drivers ??
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09:46<lpffsgb>I know I can use a preexisting os such as bunsenlabs but I would much rather attempt this myself and learn in the process....
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09:47<petn-randall>lpffsgb: Probably it's enough to run 'apt install lightdm openbox', but you'll have to figure it out if there's more needed.
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09:49<lpffsgb>Thank you for the heads up :-)
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09:51<grove>lpffsgb: I typically select as little as I can during install, and then the system is useable, but it's not nice until I've installed lightdm, i3, tcpdump, zsh, ... (it typically takes weeks - if not months - before I don't install stuff every day)
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10:21<justhere_really>sorry if wrong place but in debian can I wipe an OPAL ssd to before it was encrypted?
10:22<justhere_really>it sounds very shady but i forgot my own one, i have a spare 750gb to put in but it might be more power efficient in my laptop
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10:23<petn-randall>justhere_really: IIRC you can reset the drive to unencrypted, losing all the data on it. If that's what you're asking for.
10:24<grove>justhere_really: You can just write to the raw device if you want to lose all data on it
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10:25<justhere_really>i have no important data on it, it isn't LUKS and are you suggesting dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda && sync
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10:25<justhere_really>petn-randall, i am asking for that
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10:27<grove>justhere_really: Something like that, yes
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10:28<justhere_really>it gets me an IO error in dd grove
10:30<justhere_really>i'm not sure that this is possible without me cracking OPAL or something from what i've read online
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11:26<yuda>Hello !
11:26<yuda>somebody here?
11:26<blast007>lots of people
11:26<petn-randall>yuda: Probably a bit over a thousand people, yes.
11:27<blast007>do you need some help with Debian Linux?
11:27<eleanor>hi
11:27<blast007>petn-randall: nah, only 774 :)
11:27<blast007>(counting bots)
11:27<eleanor>I managed to fix all of my graphic and sound issues
11:28<eleanor>my steam games and spotify also work
11:28<petn-randall>blast007: Several people hiding behind a single nick? </tinfoilhat>
11:28<eleanor>well my linux games in my steam library at least, that is
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11:30<grove>petn-randall: NAT for irc nicks? - Sunds like a bad idea
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11:31<grove>s/u/ou/
11:31<petn-randall>grove: I wouldn't know the answer, I took off my tinfoil hat. :P
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11:46<jhutchins_wk>eleanor: Good work. I'll bet you learned a bit along the way.
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11:48<eleanor>just a little bit. Big jump. Last time I had used linux was slackware 10 years ago
11:48<eleanor>although I work every day with Mac OSX which is quite familiar
11:48<eleanor>terminal-wise, at least
11:48<eleanor>I definitely like debian the most
11:48<eleanor>(now, haha)
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11:53<eleanor>thank you by the way :)
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12:24<chaos>does "ip rule flush" delete the default entries as well, like lookup local, main, default?
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12:59<Echoz>Does anyone here use an Nvidia 10xx series graphics card with Stable?
13:00<Echoz>Performance for me is terrible with the latest proprietary drivers from the non-free repo
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13:24<yuda>Hello, where you from? I'm from Méxic
13:24<yuda>México
13:24<Patty>I am from USA
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13:26<Patty>I have questions about Debian. We found these bugs on Debian. DSA 3503, DSA 3511. I couldn't find instruction on Debian site to install patch to fix the problems.
13:27<Patty>Any input will be appreciated. Thanks
13:28<jhutchins_wk>Patty: Generally, patches are applied by the package maintainers and distributed as updates through the package management system.
13:29<Patty>jhutchins_wk, thanks very much for your response. Where the package management system for Debian? I am looking for the link with the patch. Thanks
13:29<blast007>apt, apt-get, aptitude, etc
13:30<jhutchins_wk> Patty: https://lists.debian.org/debian-security/
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13:31<jhutchins_wk>Patty: apt update will update the software catalog and indicate the number of updates.
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13:31<jhutchins_wk>Patty: I believe there is a CVS tracking database that should list the package version with the patch, but I don't know where it is.
13:32<Patty>Thanks so much!!! CVS tracking database is what I am looking for.
13:32<bremner>err. CVE, not CVS?
13:32<blast007>https://www.debian.org/security/2016/dsa-3503 https://www.debian.org/security/2016/dsa-3511 (clicking on the CVE links there will take you to the security-tracker)
13:33<Patty>blast007, excellent!!! Thanks so much!
13:33<jhutchins_wk>Patty: https://security-team.debian.org/security_tracker.html
13:33<jhutchins_wk>bremner: Yep. Thx.
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13:35<Patty><jhutchins_wk>, that link is very helpful too! Thanks a ton!
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13:38<Patty>I am a little confused by CVE number and dsa number. For example, the bugs we found are dsa-3503 , on https://www.debian.org/security/2016/dsa-3503, under Security database references it lists CVE numbers. and there is no instructions on the link about how to install the patch for the bug of dsa-3503.
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13:41<Patty>So for the bug of dsa-3503, what is the package name to download and install for the patch of bug dsa-3503 under https://www.debian.org/security/2016/dsa-3503?
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13:49<jhutchins_wk>Patty: You would simply update the kernel package to the current version, as the text indicates it was fixed in jessie (oldstable).
13:49<jhutchins_wk>,kernels
13:49<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.14.0-trunk-686-pae (4.14-1~exp1); sid: 4.13.0-1-686 (4.13.13-1); buster: 4.13.0-1-686 (4.13.13-1); stretch-backports: 4.13.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.13.13-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-4-686 (4.9.51-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.4-686 (4.9.51-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2+deb8u5); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae
13:49<judd>(3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.93-1)
13:51<jhutchins_wk>Patty: https://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals
13:52<Patty>jhutchins_wk and judd, awesome! thanks a lot!
13:53<jhutchins_wk>Patty: Fixes for critical vulnerabilities are usually made available fairly quickly. I think heartbleed was available the same day the vulnerability was announced.
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13:58<Patty>jhutchins_wk, great to hear that!
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14:46<Echoz>is nvidia-driver-libs supposed to conflict with libglvnd0-nvidia?
14:46<Echoz>because nvidia-driver-libs depends on a package that needs libglvnd0-nvidia
14:47<ivan>I noticed that in the packaging too, I'm not sure what's up though
14:48<ivan>the commit in svn says: "force switching to the libglvnd packages" and says it Closes: #878035, #879261, 875438
14:48<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/878035 in libopengl0-glvnd-nvidia (closed): «libopengl0-glvnd-nvidia: libopengl0 version reported to "none" with libopengl0-glvnd-nvidia»; severity: important; opened: 2017-10-08; last modified: 2017-11-04.
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14:49<Echoz>ivan: do you know how I'm supposed to install these drivers then, as I clearly can't use the nvidia-driver metapackage
14:49<Echoz>version 384, built from svn
14:49<ivan>the conflicts gave me the impression that -libs is deprecated, but that would imply the top-level metapackage is now bad
14:50<Echoz>Yeah, that's sort of what I gathered as well. I could install without glvnd but that's not exactly desired
14:50<ivan>maybe try installing nvidia-driver-bin nvidia-kernel-dkms linux-headers-amd64 libcuda1 nvidia-libopencl1 nvidia-opencl-icd nvidia-settings nvidia-smi
14:50<ivan>that's what I set up but I didn't boot into it yet :-)
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14:51<ivan>you might want to file a bug on the source package
14:51<Echoz>ivan: so far so good, dpkg is not angry at me at least
14:52<Echoz>but apt still wants to remove the vulkan stuff, fair enough
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14:54<ivan>yeah, I didn't know whether to install regular or nonglvnd vulkan, maybe I'll figure that out someday
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14:54<annadane>if you're on stable you shouldn't get conflicts
14:55<ivan>built from svn, not a package in the debian sources
14:56<Echoz>it seems i have what i need installed now, and apt is no longer angry. not sure what i386 packages to install when nvidia-driver-libs conflicts with the glvnd stuff though
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15:01<NewAdmin>Jumping into linux/debian for the first time. I know there are a billion newbie guides out there, does anyone prefer one over another?
15:02<sdk>NewAdmin: https://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals
15:03<Echoz>Well, will just have to try to reboot. Hopefully nothing catches on fire
15:04<NewAdmin>sdk: great, thanks
15:06<duncan>gnewbie
15:07<Echoz>booted, using 384. hopefully performance is better than it was with 375, which seemed basically as bad as an old intel gpu
15:07<luke>gnube
15:08<duncan>good old proprietary drivers that barely work
15:09<duncan>(GPL-violating too...)
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15:17<utf8what>desperately trying to figure out why locale's are a mess on my debian 9 ( stable ) system here. The "locale -a" reports that we have en_US.utf8 with a lowercase "utf" and no dash .. but applications can not start in X becasue "...tried unsuccessfully to use locale en_US.UTF-8"
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15:18<Echoz>utf8what: locale -a shows the same for me. what kind of applications don't start?
15:18<utf8what> e v r y t h i n g <-- an xterm won't start
15:18<utf8what>I get an "xmessage" pop up that says "uxterm tried unsuccessfully to use locale en_US.UTF-8
15:18<utf8what>by setting $LC_CTYPE to "en_US.UTF-8"."
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15:19<utf8what>the actual iso standard claims we should have two letter lang and then country code and then dot and then utf-8
15:20<utf8what>however .. not even a browser can start right now .. I managed to get LXTerminal .. it runs .. no idea why
15:20<utf8what>thus irssi works in the terminal session
15:20<retrospectacus>what did you do?
15:20<somiaj>utf8what: dpkg-reconfigure locales (make sure you have built the locales you need)
15:20<utf8what>in any case applications seem to want en_US.UTF-8 however "locale -a" claims that does not exist
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15:21<somiaj>also uxterm is not xterm, I think you cna force xterm to not be uxterm.
15:21<utf8what>one sec ... .. uxterm is just a wrapper to xterm .. same thing .. same binary
15:21<Echoz>somiaj: I'm thinking this as well, seems like they are defined right just not built
15:21<utf8what>built it from source also .. same problems
15:21<somiaj>well uxterm has utf8 defaults that xterm may not need, it maybe a wrapper, but it is a configuation option you can change. I personally don't use uxterms here, but then I'm outdated.
15:21<utf8what>one sec .. time to fire off "dpkg-reconfigure locales " and see what happens
15:22<somiaj>as in you can get xterm to run without needed utf-8
15:22<somiaj>(that won't fix your actual locale problem though)
15:22<utf8what>yep .. basic xterm will run .. nice .. good call
15:23<PEB>utf8what: what happens if you do a `sudo locale-gen`
15:23<utf8what>hey .. I think I see an issue here ... "env | sort" outputs some weirdness
15:23<utf8what>I see LC_COLLATE=en_US.utf8
15:24*utf8what watches Generating locales (this might take a while)...
15:25<utf8what>okay Generation complete. .. no errors or issues
15:25<PEB>which locales did it generate?
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15:26<utf8what>just the basics for now .. want me to paste them here ? en_CA.UTF-8 en_CA.ISO-8859-1 en_GB.UTF-8 en_GB.ISO-8859-1 en_GB.ISO-8859-15 en_US.UTF-8 en_US.ISO-8859-1 en_US.ISO-8859-15
15:26<utf8what>we assume that C and POSIX always work and exist
15:26<PEB>what do you get when you env|grep "LC"?
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15:27<PEB>(C doesn't need a call to locale-gen to be working)
15:27<somiaj>utf8what: I don't see enUS.UTF-8 in that list
15:27<somiaj>oh wait, there it is
15:28<PEB>somiaj: there is
15:28<utf8what>one sec .. just checking /etc/xdg/openbox/environment and /etc/environment
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15:28<PEB>utf8what: as long as you give me only the output of env|grep "LC"...
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15:28<utf8what>one sec
15:28<utf8what>LC_MONETARY=C
15:28<utf8what>LC_COLLATE=C
15:28<utf8what>LC_CTYPE=C
15:28<utf8what>LC_NUMERIC=C
15:28<utf8what>LC_MESSAGES=C
15:28<utf8what>LC_TIME=C
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15:29<utf8what>as root user at the moment in that one working xterm ;-)
15:29<tt>and `echo $LANG` ?
15:29<tt>or `env|grep LANG`
15:29<utf8what>LANG=C
15:29<utf8what>XTERM_LOCALE=C
15:29<PEB>utf8what: i'd rather not see your root env
15:29<tt>are you setting all those on purpose / with reason
15:29<PEB>but better your own
15:30<utf8what>I just had to set them manually ( becasue not much else was working ) however let me try to bring up a normal xterm as a normal user
15:30<tt>LANG=en_US.UTF-8
15:30<tt>should be fine
15:31<tt>also you do not have to set them all; LC_ALL will override them all. But you don't need to do that either.
15:31<utf8what>env sort | grep "^LC" reports a bunch of this ---> LC_COLLATE=en_US.utf8
15:31<PEB>heh
15:31<tt>yes, well, you configured that somewhere; unconfigure it
15:31<PEB>without the dash between utf and 8?
15:31<utf8what>lowercase "utf" and no dash and just an 8 which is exactly the string reported by "locale -a"
15:31<tt>I assume that works too, but: LANG=en_US.UTF-8 definitely works and is all you need
15:32<PEB>utf8what: try `LANG=en_US.UTF-8 uxterm`
15:32<PEB>in any terminal
15:32<tt>and no LC_ anything set
15:32<utf8what>oh .. good idea .... one sec
15:32<PEB>tt: I'm more of a LC_ALL guy :p
15:32<utf8what>yep ... "LANG=en_US.UTF-8 uxterm" works
15:32<tt>which is the default anyway
15:32<PEB>then you just messed your environment
15:32<tt>^^^
15:33<retrospectacus>whatever you did before that happened, do it in reverse :)
15:33<utf8what>yeah .. various manuals and in various places say to avoud LC_ALL unless you want to hit something with a hammer
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15:33<PEB>utf8what: look into your .profile or in your $SHELLRC
15:33<PEB>LC_ALL works fine
15:33<tt>also ~/.xsessionrc
15:33<tt>LC_ALL works fine but it is unnecessary
15:33<utf8what>well clearly a bug needs to be filed against "locale" becasue its borked
15:33<PEB>anyway, it's time to grep "LC_" in all your config files
15:33<tt>but like, in the example above, where you ran LANG=... uxterm, that would have been a perfect place to use LC_AL
15:33<tt>*LC_ALL
15:34<tt>utf8what: works fine
15:34<PEB>utf8what: locale is not in trouble here
15:34<utf8what>yeah .. maybe cd /etc then find . -type f | xargs grep "LC_" | cut -f1 -d\: | sort -u
15:34<PEB>I'd rather bet you kind of accidentally messed up with something
15:34<utf8what>clearly locale is borked
15:34<tt>utf8what: how about grep -r
15:34<somiaj>It dosen't sound like there is any issue with locale, it is either your custom enviorment, or maybe the wm/de that created the enviorment for you. You may have to track down why your enviorment is setup the way it is.
15:35<utf8what>let me try .. more clearly : "locale -a" reports "en_US.utf8" is avail. If you use that string nothing works.
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15:36<tt>utf8what: egrep -r 'LC|LANG' ~/.??* /etc
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15:36<somiaj>i.e. if it works fine manually setting the LANG variable as you did, the issue is with the enviorment, now to figure out how it is set that way.
15:36<tt>utf8what: that's normal
15:36<utf8what>tt: really? locale -a reports things that don't work? that is "normal" ?
15:37<tt>utf8what: it is normal. and also I'm pretty sure that string works also.
15:37<utf8what>going in cirlces won't help .. may as well check the iso spec standards on this and file a bug .. let the package maintainers shoot it down if he/she/they want
15:37<tt>sigh
15:37<utf8what>tt: nope .. it doesn't
15:37<tt>anyway good luck
15:37<PEB>utf8what: did you try a `LANG=en_US.utf8 uxterm` since the locale-gen call?
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15:38<utf8what>well it looks to be clearly an environment magic setting wherein the locale should be en_US.UTF-8 with the caps UTF and the dash and that works even if it does not exist
15:38<utf8what>sorry locale-gen says it exists
15:38<utf8what>I should give a stab at dpkg-reconfigure locales also
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15:38<tt>it does exist
15:38<tt>there are two different namespaces
15:39<PEB>utf8what: I tried on my own laptop
15:39*utf8what goes to find the ISO spec
15:39<PEB>LC_ALL=fr_FR.utf8 uxterm works
15:39<tt>why will you not listen to me. change your LANG back to the default like when you installed debian, that I gave you, don't set anything else
15:39<PEB>without the dash
15:39<PEB>and in small letters
15:39<tt>you are just making up problems for yourself
15:39*utf8what is l i s t e n i n g
15:39<tt>yes, go read the specs
15:39<tt>and be enlightened
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15:40<PEB>utf8what: try `LANG=en_US.utf8 uxterm`, please
15:40<utf8what>however in the mean while I need to install more locales anyways becasue I have run into issues with some missing elsewhere .. not related to anything else but programming problems and utf8 stuff
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15:40<utf8what>hold on .... PEB ? LC_ALL=fr_FR.utf8 uxterm works ???
15:40<PEB>on my laptop
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15:40<PEB>(where french locales are compiled)
15:40*utf8what full stop
15:41<utf8what>errr ...
15:41<PEB>[2017-11-28 21:40:17] <PEB> utf8what: try `LANG=en_US.utf8 uxterm`, please
15:41<utf8what>hrmmm ... I better do some grepping around .. I think I have an /etc conf file borked ssomewhere .. has to be
15:41<utf8what>also use config stuff
15:41<utf8what>also useR config stuff
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15:42*utf8what fires up a "sid" system to see what locale -a reports over there ... for reference
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15:43<tt>utf8what: please also read this before further queries: https://wiki.debian.org/Locale
15:43<tt>notably, "Run locale -a to get a list of the locale names suitable for use in environment variables. Note that the spellings are different from the ones presented in the dpkg-reconfigure list."
15:43<utf8what>tt: as soon as I can get a browser up .. I shall indeed and I really was listening
15:43*utf8what tries LC_ALL=en_US.UTF-8 firefox
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15:44<PEB>http://paste.debian.net/998059/
15:44<utf8what>PEB: sorry .. no browser yet
15:45<tt>utf8what: both en_US.UTF-8 and en_US.utf8 work here, I can specify either in LANG
15:45<tt>because they are the same
15:46*utf8what blinks at uppercase versus lowercase and a mystery dash
15:47<utf8what>sorry for being a programmer but those strings are not the same .. not even in caseless compare
15:47<tt>but they both refer to the same locale
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15:47<tt>according to the standards and your system's (i.e., Debian's) configuration
15:48<PEB>utf8what: the fact that those strings litterally differ doesn't mean that they're interpreted differently by software
15:48<utf8what>PEB: really ?
15:48<PEB>nah, I'm making this up :D
15:49<tt>utf8what: alias ll=`ls`
15:49<utf8what>nah .. no yer not ;-)
15:49<tt>OMG LL AND LS ARE *NOT THE SAME STRING*
15:49<tt>* THAT CANNOT DO THE SAME THING *
15:49<utf8what>tt: I generally unalias that stuff as step zero to a shell
15:49<tt>you're trolling. good luck. good byte.
15:49<utf8what>tt: you just used "alias" as an example?
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15:50<utf8what>tt: no hold on a sec ... want a short discussion on utf8 bytecode format and how to handle such things ?
15:50<tt>no
15:50*utf8what is not trolling
15:50<utf8what>seriously ?
15:51<utf8what>never use a shell builting function like "alias" as an example of command replacement .. that isn't even remotely good philosophy
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15:51<jhutchins_wk>Patty: Just saw your post to debian-security. Did you get enough info here, or are there still issues you don't understand?
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15:52*utf8what thankfully someone seriously senior wanders in
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15:53<utf8what>time for a reboot and I will file a bug report and just see what happens ... locale is .. wrong
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15:53*PEB hopes he files a report
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15:53<jhutchins_wk>ll is usually aliased to ls -l
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15:57<pecan>hi!
15:57<pecan>system reboot hang on [ OK ] Reached target Shutdown.
15:58<pecan>*hangs
15:58<pecan>why?
15:58<PEB>hmmm
15:59<PEB>excellent question
15:59<luke>lol @ utf8what
15:59<PEB>pecan: how did you trigger the reboot?
15:59<pecan>PEB, sudo reboot
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15:59<ivan>pecan: did this ever work on the hardware you've got? (linux powering off the machine?)
16:00<PEB>pecan: I guess you're under jessie/stretch/sid?
16:00<pecan>stretch
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16:02<PEB>pecan: can you give a try to this command: sync && reboot -f, just after a fresh start?
16:02<PEB>reboot -f will shutdown brutally without stopping any service properly
16:02<gefa>whats good people, new here
16:03<retrospectacus>debian
16:03<PEB>(hence the sync)
16:03<somiaj>gefa: this is a support channel for Debian stable. If you have a question about debian you can ask it here, if you are looking for other channels or new to the oftc network, try #oftc
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16:03<PEB>aw, you frightened him :D
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16:04<pecan>ivan, no
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16:06<ivan>pecan: might be an ACPI issue with your hardware expecting a very Windows-specific poweroff signal
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16:07<ivan>heh, it can be caused by very different things https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/235896/system-does-not-poweroff-how-to-diagnose
16:08<ivan>try searching for your specific hardware + poweroff OR systemd, might be a known issue
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16:09<pecan>PEB, I did it
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16:11<Patty>I want to install wheezy patch version 3.2.73-2+deb7u3, how do I get it?
16:11<Patty>Thanks!!!
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16:13<retrospectacus>Patty: version of what? kernel?
16:15<pecan>reboot works properly!!!
16:15<pecan>thx
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16:16<Patty>I need to install patches to fix different bugs. From the bug track page I found some version of Wheezy fixed the bugs. That is why I am looking for the package/patch to install
16:16<Patty><retrospectacus>, thanks
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16:16<Patty>For example, on https://www.debian.org/security/2016/dsa-3503 , it says these problems have been fixed in version 3.2.73-2+deb7u3
16:17<Patty>That is why I am looking the version 3.2.73-2+deb7u3 to install
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16:20<PEB>pecan: with -f it works?
16:21<pecan>and without -f also
16:21<PEB>or following ivan's link?
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16:22<ivan>the solution is _a secret_
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16:24<PEB>:(
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16:30<Patty>jhutchins_wk, Thanks. I got answer about the version wheezy to install for a specific bug fix. But my next question is where can I find the specific wheezy version to install? for example I want to install Wheezy 3.2.73-2+deb7u3. How can I find this version? Thanks.
16:31<retrospectacus>Patty: yes that is the kernel. You can check what version you have with `uname -a`. wheezy-backports has a good version for you, or if you can find the wheezy-security. Note that any kernel with version better than 3.2.73-2+deb7u3 will work. You don't need that exact version
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16:34<Patty>retrospectacus, my 'uname -a ' shows "Linux psia 3.14.42-SWSecurity #3 SMP Wed Dec 9 21:12:43 UTC 2015 x86_64 GNU "
16:35<retrospectacus>14 is more than 2 so you're home free
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16:36<Patty>We have a product installed on top of Wheezy. So I am not sure I can simply update Wheezy. I want to install individual patch to fix each bug
16:37<retrospectacus>I said your kernel is patched. Do you have reason to believe these bugs affect you?
16:38<Patty>retrospectacus, does 14 means the verson number in "Linux psia 3.14.42-SWSecurity"? But our customer requests us for bug fix patches.
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16:38<retrospectacus>yes, 3.14 is better than 3.2
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16:38<Patty>Great! They report these bugs. DSA 3503 DSA 3511 DSA 3514 DSA 3548 DSA 3550 DSA 3556 DSA 3696
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16:40<Patty>retrospectacus, thanks so much! I will check each bug tracker on Debian site to make sure 14 fixes them all.
16:41<retrospectacus>dpkg, tell Patty about wheezy
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16:43<Patty>my 'uname -a ' shows "Linux psia 3.14.42-SWSecurity #3 SMP Wed Dec 9 21:12:43 UTC 2015 x86_64 GNU ". It doesn't show something like Linux psia 3.14.42-+deb7u. So just wanted to make sure it displays correct version.
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16:44<retrospectacus>I don't think Debian ships any kernel called "SWSecurity" so you might have to check with whoever you got that from
16:44<Patty>ok, thanks
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16:58<jhutchins_wk>Patty: You're not really installing "patches", you're updating your kernel to a version that has had that patch applied. You can install any kernel from that version OR LATER, so simply installing the current one will fix the vulnerability.
16:59<jhutchins_wk>Patty: It's possible someone has been manually patching your kernel. That's one way to fix it, but it risks not being tested as thoroughly as something that's been through Debian's packaging process.
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17:02<Patty>jhutchins_wk, your information is very helpful! Thanks. So is this the command to update the latest kernel? aptitude -t stretch-backports install "package"
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17:04<jhutchins_wk>Patty: What's recommended is aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade. This will update all of the package on your system to the latest versions, but will not include backports unless you manually installed a package from there.
17:04<Patty>but Debian website says "Backports cannot be tested as extensively as Debian stable, and backports are provided on an as-is basis, with risk of incompatibilities with other components in Debian stable. Use with care!"
17:04<jhutchins_wk>Patty: All security updates are available in the main contrib and non-free repositories.
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17:05<jhutchins_wk>Patty: You should not need backports for security.
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17:06<jhutchins_wk>Patty: For just the kernel, aptitude install linux-image-amd64
17:06<jhutchins_wk>I've got to drop off for a bit.
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17:07<Patty>jhutchins_wk, thanks much! I just use "apt-get update". It looks like it is updating something. Thanks
17:07<Patty>It doesn't have aptitude command. I just use apt-get
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17:11<scientes>Patty, you can also save some keystrokes with "apt"
17:12<Patty>scientes, thanks. How to do so?
17:13<Patty>oh, I see what you mean. Thanks. Good idea
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17:14<retrospectacus>Patty: also you said you are on wheezy but gave stretch-backports in your example.
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17:17<Patty>retrospectacus, do you mean I need to update stretch-backports ?
17:17<Patty>or install stretch-backports ?
17:19<retrospectacus>if you're running wheezy, don't use stretch-backports
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17:20<Patty>retrospectacus, ok. I didn't install stretch-backports specifically. I just run "aptitude install linux-image-amd64"
17:20<retrospectacus>ok
17:20<Patty>after I install the latest linux-image-amd64. How can i check if it fixes all bugs?
17:20<Patty>How to verify it?
17:20<Patty>thanks
17:21<retrospectacus>if `uname -a` has a larger version than the "fix version" then you win (this was true when you first got here)
17:21<Patty>I see. Thanks.
17:21<mnuhmnuh>Patty: wheezy's old; older than old stable (jessie). as in no longer supported and you should seriously consider updating to at least stable/stretch.
17:22<retrospectacus>no version fixes "all bugs"
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17:24<annadane>might be stretch-sloppy backports, no idea if those exist
17:24<mnuhmnuh>retrospectacus: sure, and if some app you demands some old ver. and you keep it away from attackers, no prob. on the other hand, ...
17:24<annadane>but yes, wheezy is basically eol
17:25<retrospectacus>there is a wheezy-lts but that ends soon too
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17:29<Patty>mnuhmnuh, thanks. We have customer with legacy product on top of Wheezy. So we can't upgrade it for them.
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17:33<mnuhmnuh>Patty: i expected that was the situation. any chance you can try to get it to run on a newer release, then rollover to it if it works? just suggesting.
17:34<Patty>mnuhmnuh, sure. Thanks.
17:35<Patty>If I want to install specific version for example 3.14.73-2+deb7u3 what is the command to do so?
17:36<mnuhmnuh>i really hate ver. specific-ness. that !@#$ shouldn't happen very often.
17:36<Patty>"aptitude install linux-image-amd64" is to install the latest version.
17:36<Patty>mnuhmnuh, I understand it. I am also sort of frustrated with the situation.
17:37<mnuhmnuh>Patty: you could just grab the .deb and dpkg -i blah.deb
17:38<Patty>mnuhmnuh, would you give me detail instructions? Thanks much!
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17:38<mnuhmnuh>Patty: understand though kernels rely on libraries, and that gets complex.
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17:40<mnuhmnuh>Patty: would be nice if you had a sandbox machine you could test this out on before attempting to run it out on prod. box
17:40<Patty>mnuhmnuh, I am running on a sandbox.
17:42<mnuhmnuh>Patty: and you're running wheezy, and you want to update the kernel to 3.14.73-2+deb7u3?
17:44<Patty>yes
17:44<Patty>3.14
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17:46<mnuhmnuh>Patty: procedure is to update wheezy to next release (jessie?), then update that ... until you get to stable (now stretch).
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17:47<mnuhmnuh>otherwise, library conflicts can make it a waste of time/disastrous. what's this legacy app. you're worried about built from? python, perl, java, ...
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17:48<Patty>Java and shell scripts
17:49<Patty>does this command "aptitude install linux-image-amd64" update to new Wheezy or to Jesse?
17:49<Patty>Jessie
17:49<mnuhmnuh>i doubt shell scripts could be any prob., java possibly.
17:49<Patty>ok
17:50<Patty>is "linux-image-amd64" for Wheezy or Jessie?
17:50<mnuhmnuh>wheezy, as defined by your /etc/apt/sources.lis
17:50<Patty>great
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18:41<deb9> ... and now for something totally different my X session is locked up on a very stable machine. I started Xboard for a chess game and whammo .. lockup ..
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18:41<deb9>that should be impossible
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18:43<deb9>managed to ssh into the machine .. but would love to hear any theory as to why lxde is locked up
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18:46<deb9>anyone have any theories why a user pid can not be kill -9 by root ?
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18:48<bremner>what state is the process in?
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18:49<bremner>from e.g. "ps x"
18:49<bremner>or ps ax
18:49<mnuhmnuh>deb9: i can only guess hardware's locked up, OS is no longer in control/listening. power button time.
18:49<deb9>well ps -ef simply claims "defunct"
18:50<deb9>I am surprised by hardware .. there would be a diag code or similar somewhere
18:50<deb9>to heck with it .. time for shutdown -r "rfn"
18:51<deb9>very strange behavior .. never seen that in .. years
18:51<mnuhmnuh>deb9: nvidia graphic chip i'm guessing?
18:51<deb9>acctually .. no .. AMD Radeon
18:51<mnuhmnuh>huh.
18:51<deb9>not new either ... same one for a while now. AMD Radeon 7600 series I think
18:51<deb9>it is rebooting now .. doing memory checks .. 32G of ECC mem
18:52<deb9>two sockets of AMD Opteron 2222 SE
18:52<deb9>not exactly cheap hardware and generlly just runs .. for years
18:53<deb9>I am running the Debian package for radeon firmware and drivers . Not the AMD ones directly from them. Same thing most likely
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18:54<mnuhmnuh>deb9: weird. is software up to date (apt-get update && apt-get upgrade ... yada yada)?
18:55<deb9>hrmmm ... I saw a red FAILED message fly by during boot .. I have options verbose on the vmlinuz kernel line
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18:56<mnuhmnuh>deb9: i worry first whether you're currently being attacked. if that's not so, wtf?
18:56<scientes>apt update && apt upgrade
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18:58<deb9>? attacked ? not likely
18:58*deb9 glares at his CISCO ASA
18:59<deb9>as for apt update && apt upgrade idea .. this is a very up to date system I think .. however .. worth a try
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19:00<deb9>as expected "upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded."
19:00<deb9>however this has me wondering : dmesg output --> https://paste.debian.net/plain/998077
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19:01<deb9>hrmm perhaps a lspci -nn will tell me what device is making noised
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19:02<tp43tp>I would like to uninstall everything installed from backports. I installed inkscape, and installed tons of stuff. I have php 7 installed, which I am assuming is from backports. But I changed my mind, I want to go back.
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19:05<mnuhmnuh>tp43tp: fwiw, php7 is well available in buster/testing.
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19:07<Asara>before I start doing this, I'mm trying to install debian on a asus T100TA, found this page https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Asus/T100TA#wifi_section
19:08<Asara>It recommends I use a full install, but I need to use the multiarch iso in order to do so (since it is a 64 bit machine with a 32bit EFI)
19:08<Asara>But that isn't provided anymore
19:08<Asara>should I just install it using 8.X and then upgrade to 9?
19:08<Asara>or is there a better way to do this?
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19:09*deb9 would just install latest stable 9
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19:09<Asara>I can't though
19:09<Asara>Because I can't get the image to boot, and can't install it via the netinstall (since I can't get the wifi to work)
19:10<Asara>image to boot in the sense that there is no multiarch given for the DVD version
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19:11<deb9>is this some weird oddball wifi hardware ?
19:11<deb9>do you have ye old USB wifi dongle hanging about perhaps
19:12<deb9>that may not work .. this is a UEFI problem I guess and I am always bothered by that mysqlf
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19:12<Asara>deb9: yes weird hardware, its a 64bit machine with a 32bit efi, and the wifi module needs firmware (that isn't in the non-free images haha)
19:13<Asara>I do have a dongle, but the problem is that its a tablet with only 1 usb port
19:14<deb9>wild ... good to hear you are putting debian on it but .. be damned if I would know how to start. Sorry to say I spend most my life with servers
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19:16<mnuhmnuh>Asara: one usb port means you can plug in a usb hub, yes?
19:17*deb9 was thinking that
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19:17<Asara>mnuhmnuh: yeap but I don't have one of those
19:17<Asara>no stess deb9 so do I :)
19:17<deb9>cool
19:17<Asara>alright just going to go with deb8 and then update it to testing from there
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19:17*deb9 thinks "can't go wrong that way "
19:18<deb9>well ... my Xorg lockup is gone ... no idea why .. excellent. I'll run with these drivers a while and see how it all goes and then maybe .. maybe .. sidegrade to the AMD Radeon drivers from AMD .. but that probably isn't the issue
19:19<deb9>k .. won't take up any more space here ...
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19:22<mnuhmnuh>deb9: damn, it's gone. AMD's proprietary drivers are denigrated, don't go there, i hear. damn.
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19:33<tp43tp>mnuhmnuh, thx, but I meant, I didn't want such a new version
19:34<tp43tp>mnuhmnuh, yesterday I said I would just do a re-install, so I guess I will do that, but take a few hours, maybe tomorrow
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19:45<Patty>I found for the bug DSA 3511, wheezy fix is in verion 1:9.8.4.dfsg.P1-6+nmu2+deb7u10. This version number looks strange and different from something like 3.14.73-2+deb7u3
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20:18<Patty>Did you get this error when run "apt-get update" http://fai-project.org wheezy Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available:
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23:00<mnuhmnuh>Patty: wheezy's so old, you can't expect anything from it to be trustable if it's connecyed.
23:00<mnuhmnuh>botnet?
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23:47<lavamind>is it feasible to boot debian stretch w/ a jessie kernel ? for a test
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23:48<lavamind>I suspect the 4.9 kernel in stretch may be responsible for some performance issues i'm seeing in this domU running on a dom0 with kernel 3.10
23:49<lavamind>I was able to reproduce by installing the jessie-backports kernel on a jessie domU
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23:50<lavamind>filesystem reads slow down by a factor of about 4x-6x
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