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01:06<gladioacuto>hi
01:07<gladioacuto>I would like to install 4.13.0-1 from sid on stretch. How to do it? tried 'sudo apt-get -R build-dep linux-image-4.13.0-1-amd64' but got 'E: Command line option 'R' [from -R] is not understood in combination with the other options.'
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01:09<jm_>judd kernels
01:09<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.14.0-trunk-686-pae (4.14-1~exp1); sid: 4.13.0-1-686 (4.13.13-1); buster: 4.13.0-1-686 (4.13.13-1); stretch-backports: 4.13.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.13.13-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-4-686 (4.9.51-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.4-686 (4.9.51-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2+deb8u5); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae
01:09<judd>(3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.93-1)
01:09<jm_>gladioacuto: why not use the bpo kernel instead?
01:10<gladioacuto>jm_, the bpo is 4.13.0-0
01:10<gladioacuto>jm_, and as I wrote yesterday I get an issue with that
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01:17<jm_>gladioacuto: if you compare the changelog, bpo kernel was built later so I doubt you would see anything new in the sid kernel http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/main/l/linux/linux_4.13.13-1~bpo9+1_changelog http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/main/l/linux/linux_4.13.13-1_changelog
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01:19<gladioacuto>jm_, ok so I will keep on my bpo 4.13.0-0
01:19<gladioacuto>jm_, but please could you help me? in 4.13.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 (but the same happened in 4.9 and 4.14, resuming from hibernation/suspension I cannot mount USB device anymore in pcmanfm, getting 'Not authorized to perform this operation'. What's going on? How to fix?
01:23<jm_>gladioacuto: can you mount it as root?
01:24<gladioacuto>jm_, yes
01:24<gladioacuto>jm_, it is something related to user permissions I guess
01:26<jm_>gladioacuto: ok I would recommend to check permissions on the relevant device before and after suspend (you can find it by using blkid, lsblk or «cat /proc/partitions»
01:26<jm_>and ownership
01:26<jm_>once you know the device just do «ls -l /dev/foo»
01:30<gladioacuto>jm_, brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 0 nov 29 23:18 /dev/sda1
01:30<gladioacuto>jm_, this is now it works
01:30<gladioacuto>dunno what will happen when the issue will occur again
01:30<grawity>mounting has nothing to do on device permissions
01:31<grawity>direct `mount` needs root; mount via udisks2 needs polkit stuff
01:31<grawity>check `loginctl session-status` and all that
01:32<jm_>yeah I keep forgetting I don't use that crap so ownership matters for me
01:32<jm_>so no, it does matter
01:32<jm_>but yeah listen to grawity if you use GNOME or whatever else uses "modern" crap
01:33<gladioacuto>jm_, and this is /proc/partitions: http://paste.debian.net/998270/
01:33<jm_>gladioacuto: see what grawity said above
01:33<grawity>you know what, if you're gonna mock me for trying to help people, you can fuck off right now
01:33<gladioacuto>grawity, ??
01:34<jm_>actually I acknowledged you are better suited to help people in this case, there was no attempt at mocking you up
01:34<jm_>so chill
01:34<jm_>nice, nvme stuff
01:34<jm_>I need to get me one of those
01:36<gladioacuto>grawity, I did loginctl session-status, but what should I focus on? Both now that is working and when it will not?
01:36<gladioacuto>and what are correcting measures to adopt?
01:37<gladioacuto>it is still not clear to me what's happening and how to fix it. It should not happen in stable release I guess...
01:38<jm_>gladioacuto: I would still check if device changes under the kernel during suspend/resume cycle, maybe that plays a role here
01:38<jm_>not under the kernel, but under the polkit stuff
01:38<gladioacuto>jm_, it does not, if your refer to /dev assignment. It still remains /dev/sda1
01:39<jm_>gladioacuto: ahh OK so that's not it
01:40<gladioacuto>grawity, http://paste.debian.net/998274/
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01:43<jm_>playing with that command maybe you want to look at «loginctl seat-status seat0» or somesuch too
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01:44<hha>hello
01:44<hha>how are you
01:44<hha>i hope you are will
01:44<hha>as for me
01:44<hha>i m find too
01:44<hha>lee pal
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01:48<Awal__>jm_, https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=689854#65
01:48<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/689854 in wnpp (open): «RFA: pmount -- mount removable devices as normal user»; severity: normal; opened: 2012-10-07; last modified: 2015-10-16.
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01:50<gladioacuto>moreover, I set my favourite x cursor in .Xdefaults and I got it in all applications apart from browser and mail client where it appears as the system default one set with update-alternatives --config x-cursor-theme. Any suggestion for why?
01:52<jm_>gladioacuto: AFAIK apps can set their own cursor, which browser is this?
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01:52<gladioacuto>jm_, firefox
01:52<gladioacuto>jm but also opera
01:53<jm_>gladioacuto: firefox honours the cursor theme for me that I set via .Xdefaults
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01:54<gladioacuto>jm_, oh, dunno why, tried again but no, my firefox does not
01:55<jm_>gladioacuto: which version of firefox?
01:55<gladioacuto>jm_, sorry iceweasel 52.5
01:56<gladioacuto>jm_, and thunderbird 52.4
01:56<jm_>gladioacuto: I have firefox-esr 52.* here and it works for me (still on jessie), but AFAIR it also works for me at home where I use newer firefox from mozilla
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02:09<gladioacuto>jm_, what do you have in update-alternatives --config xcursor-theme?
02:09<gladioacuto>jm_, does it works for you on thunderbird also?
02:12<jm_>gladioacuto: wait, I realized something - maybe the theme you set via .Xdefaults does not include all the needed icons so it falls back on the system default one?
02:13<jm_>gladioacuto: nothing, I only set it in .Xdefaults for myself
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02:13<gladioacuto>jm_, you do not have any system default cursor? did you unistall it?
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02:14<gladioacuto>jm_, which are the needed icons for example?
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02:18<jm_>gladioacuto: the default is what the X has by default, those ugly ones
02:20<jm_>gladioacuto: I have no idea what apps request. So I installed thunderbird now to test it and it also uses my cursors
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02:22<jm_>can't really test it properly as it seems to have no option to fetch mail from /var/mail, it offers only IMAP or POP3
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02:26<jm_>but in the create account dialog and main screen it worked
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02:34<jm_>gladioacuto: I use Xcursor.theme: Chameleon-Pearl-Regular (package name is chameleon-cursor-theme)
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03:37<gladioacuto>thunderbird does not open any attachment anymore, dunno what happened. Is it a known issue? Any suggestion how to check/fix?
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03:40<jm_>this https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=882782 ?
03:40<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/882782 in thunderbird (open): «cannot download or send attachements: permission denied to read recently-used.xbel»; severity: normal; opened: 2017-11-26; last modified: 2017-11-28.
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04:09<gladioacuto>jm_, judd thanks for those references
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04:09<gladioacuto>even if they don't solve my issue, I can see it is a known one and I am not alone
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04:11<jm_>maybe check if you get the same error in terminal
04:12<gladioacuto>jm_, yes I do
04:12<gladioacuto>http://paste.debian.net/998289/
04:14<jm_>gladioacuto: ahh OK so apparently the update from experimental partially fixes things
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04:17<gladioacuto>jm_, I cannot install thunderbird from experimental, some packages are missing
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04:19<gladioacuto>jm_, http://paste.debian.net/998292/
04:19<gladioacuto>apart from italian language it is clear from messages the dependecy issues
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04:20<gladioacuto>I did add the line in /etc/apt/sources.list, then apt-get update, then apt install -t experimental thunderbird and got that
04:21<jm_>gladioacuto: yeah better don't do that, or for a test, do it in a sid chroot
04:22<gladioacuto>jm_, so I cannot solve even partially the problems...OMG, dunno how to use it for work..
04:23<jm_>gladioacuto: yeah don't know what to say other than maybe use some other MUA temporarily if possible
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04:26<gladioacuto>jm_, facing ever more issues on this new "stable" Debian...
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04:40<Ghostbird>Does anyone have a good idea why a new nVidia Optimus laptop refuses to boot after installing bumblebee-nvidia? It runs fine with nouveau, after installing nvidia-driver it still boots when Cinnamon is chosen as desktop environment during install. Though cinnamon will crash on login, I can still access TTY1. (GNOME crashes far more violently). However with bumblebee-nvidia installed, the system only boots to a level where neither TTYs and Lig
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04:41<Ghostbird>I'm currently making a Live Boot USB, so I can access the logs.
04:41<Ghostbird>I've installed SSH server, but it seems the network interfaces aren't up yet, so remote access is impossible.
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04:45<jm_>your message was cut off at "to a level where neither TTYs and Lig"
04:46<Ghostbird>"LightDM are available."
04:46<Ghostbird>Maybe significant, the graphics card is an nVidia GeForce GTX 1050Ti
04:46<Ghostbird>(should be "nor" instead of "and". Please excuse my French)
04:47<jm_>maybe it's a kernel oops then
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04:49<Ghostbird>I think so. The weirdest thing is, that when I search online for Bumblebee related issues of this magnitude, all I find is really old stuff from 2012 and earlier. So apparently Bumblebee is pretty stable nowadays. I haven't really found anything that matches my problem. I hope that the live USB will allow me to read some useful logging.
04:49<Ghostbird>But in the mean time, if anyone recognises the symptoms and knows a solution, I'd be much obliged.
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06:14<gladioacuto_>grawity, jm_ this is the output of loginctl session-status now that its is not working again
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06:14<gladioacuto_>what happened is that I unplugged the usb cable (device not mounted) and plugged it again
06:14<gladioacuto_>so it seems to be not related to hibernation/suspension issues...
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06:15<gladioacuto_>could you please help me understanding what to do/how to fix?
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06:15<jm_>gladioacuto_: forgot to give us paste URL?
06:16<gladioacuto_>jm_, oh sorry!! http://paste.debian.net/998323/
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06:20<jm_>gladioacuto_: try saving that before and after the problem and look for differences, I would also log the output of «loginctl seat-status seat0» as previously said
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06:28<jm_>I tried to compare it to your earlier paste but they were made with a different session it seems
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12:02<tzafrir>hi, I replaced the disk of my laptop. I copied content to the new disk, but fail to boot from it,
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12:03<Nemoder>!fixmbr
12:03<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
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12:03<tzafrir>I keep getting an error: "initramfs unpacking failed no cpio magic"
12:03<sakax>my memory is creating problems, can someone remind me how to generate a pdf from a cls and tex file?
12:04<sakax>i still know i first had to move into dvi file and next to pdf
12:04<sakax>any help is highly appreciated
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12:05<tzafrir>Nemoder: I generally followed the above fixmbr procedure. I recreated the initrd, reinstalled grub onto the disk, and such
12:05<petn-randall>tzafrir: Is it a byte-for-byte copy from the old to the new disk? Or did you copy partitions?
12:05<tzafrir>My understanding is that the kernel won't read the initrd. System is latest Stretch (4.9.0-4)
12:06<tzafrir>I recreated partitions and copied content
12:06<tzafrir>Different partitions, rather. With LVM this time
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12:06<tzafrir>(and a non-lvm /boot)
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12:06<petn-randall>tzafrir: Oh, then all the UUIDs and everything won't fit.
12:07<itd_>sakax: pdflatex?
12:07<sakax>its a cli tool?
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12:07<sakax>i only had to use 2 cli commands in the past, just dont know which ones anymore, itd_
12:07<tzafrir>I edited /etc/fstab and replaced UUID=* with device names, as they are logical now
12:08<tzafrir>sakax: pdflatex is a cli tool
12:08<itd_>sakax: Yes. (Part of texlive-latex-base.)
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12:08<sakax>perfect tzafrir and itd_ thanks
12:08<petn-randall>tzafrir: You'll have to boot a live system, mount all partitions, chroot into the system, and re-run 'update-initramfs -k all && grub-install /dev/<bootdrive>'.
12:09<petn-randall>tzafrir: Also make sure that lvm2 is installed on your target system, I forgot that one in the past. :)
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12:13<tzafrir>petn-randall: I used dracut. I don't seems to have update-initramfs installed.
12:14<tzafrir>With an older kernel I can get into the initrd, but it fails to mount the rootfs (no lvm, I guess)
12:15<tzafrir>With the newly-created initrd, it fails to extract it.
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12:16<tzafrir>I'm not sure what it is that I miss.
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12:17<petn-randall>tzafrir: Ah, I don't know how dracut updates its initramfs then. You'll likely have to do that somehow.
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12:53<tzafrir>petn-randall: I replaced dracut with initramfs-tools, regenerated initrd, and now I managed to boot.
12:53<petn-randall>tzafrir: yay \o/
12:54<petn-randall>tzafrir: Glad to hear you got it working again.
12:54<tzafrir>The initrd does generate many errors about missing mdadm config.
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12:54<petn-randall>tzafrir: That is normal if you have mdadm installed but no raid configured.
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12:54<petn-randall>Well, it should be warnings.
12:55<tzafrir>One problem was the format of the cpio. It But even after I manually fixed it, I still failed to boot.
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13:11<starr>is there some special package to install in order to get OpenGL support? Seems that Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0".
13:12<starr>there seems to be "mesa" but not "OpenGL"
13:13<petn-randall>!goal
13:13<dpkg>Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is.
13:13<petn-randall>starr: What are you trying to do?
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13:13<starr>well lets see this ---> https://paste.debian.net/plain/998395 wherein I was going to run stellarium but was told "nope"
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13:14<starr>also .. yes .. I'd like to try some OpenGL programming .. I even bought that massive version 29 OpenGL Bible thing
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13:14<petn-randall>starr: Where are you running this command?
13:15<starr>it is actually "OpenGL SuperBible fifth edition"
13:15<starr>right from an xterm
13:15<petn-randall>starr: Are you running it in a virtual terminal from which desktop environment?
13:15<starr>actual real computer in front of me
13:15<ivan>install whatever firmware package, install appropriate xorg video package, make sure xorg is using that instead of modesetting (probably), if NVIDIA install some nonfree nvidia packages
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13:16<starr>yikes ... okay .. one sec .. fairly sure I went through the AMD Radeon process and I installed the "nonfree" firmware bits and rebooted
13:16<petn-randall>No need to run non-free bits, unless you have very new cards.
13:17<starr>I havenot yetinstalled them .. but I have very very new cards. This machine however, at the moment, has a very reliable "Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Turks [Radeon HD 7600 Series]" says lspci -v
13:17<ivan>starr: https://gist.github.com/ivan/27d3f473b1851da031c3806ea3970fd4
13:18<ivan>that is, make sure xorg is set to use Driver "radeon" for your Radeon
13:18<ivan>you can look at your Xorg log to check
13:18<starr>hrmmm .. Xorg mods needed eh? .. one sec .. let me look at that
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13:19<ivan>install firmware-amd-graphics xserver-xorg-video-radeon and if you want Steam to work libgl1-mesa-glx:i386
13:20<starr>this is a tad overwhelming .. let me glance at this https://paste.debian.net/998399/
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13:21<ivan>starr: yeah that is probably right already
13:22<starr>wow .. okay .. well I may need to edit the Xorg.conf anyways becasue the driver seems to be confused about my screen locations left and right and I can specify that in the Xorg.conf
13:22<starr>however ... opengl/mesa .. should work .. but doesn't
13:23<starr>trying to install mesa-utils ... well it is already installed "mesa-utils is already the newest version (8.3.0-3)."
13:23<starr>damn ...
13:23<ivan>starr: does glxgears run?
13:23<starr>good question ... one sec
13:24<starr>claims 'Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0".'
13:24<starr>one sec .. let me run xdpyinfo here
13:25<ivan>starr: did you reboot after installing firmware?
13:25<starr>wow ... does this look wrong or what .... one sec : https://paste.debian.net/plain/998400
13:25<starr>only three visual's on screen 0 ? that I have not seen in twenty years since a Sparc 20
13:26<starr>reboot .... absolutely
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13:26<starr>in fact .. just recently when I put this AMD Radeon card in : uptime says " 18:26:16 up 1 day, 18:32, 8 users, load average: 0.14, 0.28, 0.48"
13:27<starr>something is well and truely borked ... I could swap that card out and install an NVidia Quadro card .. I have one laying about here
13:27<ivan>any change you have xorg config leftovers from before?
13:27<starr>I was just thinking that ...
13:27<starr>hrmmm .. one sec ...
13:29<starr>there is no Xorg.conf under /etc or /var or anywhere else
13:29<starr>I was under the impression I wouldn't need one
13:29<blast007>with the open drivers you generally don't need one
13:29<ivan>right
13:30<starr>well ... I'm baffled
13:30<tzafrir>OK. Re-install dracut later after the proepr system booted, recreated an initrd, and now it worked.
13:31<starr>re https://gist.github.com/ivan/27d3f473b1851da031c3806ea3970fd4 there is no such thing as /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/
13:31<ivan>you don't need my thing, it's loading radeon already
13:31<ivan>are you on stretch?
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13:32<starr>okay ... so ... this is a driver or library config issue of some sort because xdpyinfo is *clearly* borked
13:32<starr>this is Debian 9.2 so I guess that is "stretch" or stable
13:33<starr>I will take a read here https://wiki.debian.org/GraphicsCard and see if something bloody obvious is wrong
13:33<ivan>did it load firmware? dmesg | grep -E 'drm|radeon' | grep -iE 'firmware|microcode'
13:34<starr>yep .. looks good https://paste.debian.net/plain/998402
13:34*starr scratches head
13:34<ivan>something weird with your setup :-)
13:34<starr>yeah .. I hear ya
13:35<starr>let me look into blacklist stuff ... however the modules are loaded and lsmod says so
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13:36<ivan>this could happen if you had NVIDIA packages installed before
13:36<starr>ivan: I think I will do a cold shutdown ... remove that older card which I wasn't thrilled with anyways, re-install the NVidia Quadro card and then boot
13:36<starr>ah haaa !
13:36<starr>yes
13:36<starr>that has to be it
13:37<starr>I did have the NVidia card in there before
13:37<ivan>NVIDIA installs their own OpenGL things
13:37<starr>however I only use the deb packages from the normal repo
13:37<ivan>dpkg -l | grep nvidia
13:37<dpkg>ii | grep nvidia 2.3-5 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
13:37<starr>so ... that has to be it
13:38<starr>well gee https://paste.debian.net/plain/998403
13:39<starr>okay ... not exactly clear how to swap back and forth between GPU cards but I guess the NVidia Quadro card is going back in
13:39<starr>I have a 1070TI also to test and an AMD GTX580 but that may be a nightmare https://i.imgur.com/XMS00gN.jpg
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13:40<starr>ivan: so then ... please allow me to do a cold shutdown and swap cards and see what happens next ... I want the Quadro in there anyways
13:40*starr had other plans for it .. but oh well
13:42<starr>before I run off .. does the normal Debian installer still allow install via a serial console or do I need to hack the boot grub config of the installer etc ?
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13:45<geras>ok
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13:46<starr>ivan: you're awesome ... thank you
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13:46<ivan>np
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14:13<o11c>I've got a really-weird GPG error with apt and snapshots.d.o
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14:14<o11c>oldstable and oldoldstable work fine once I copy the key
14:14<o11c>but stable (and sid) say:
14:14<o11c>W: GPG error: http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20120706T100802Z unstable InRelease: The following signatures were invalid: 9FED2BCBDCD29CDF762678CBAED4B06F473041FA
14:14<o11c>manually calling `gpgv` on the file in partial/ says its valid
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14:20<o11c>jimpop: er, it exists for me?
14:20<mistnim>hello, I'm on debian stable, I have compiled a library called libvigra_c, and it links to libjpeg.so which I have install as libjpeg-dev. But when I do "ldd libvigra_c.so" it reports that it can't find libjpeg.so.9. Any ideas why might that be?
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14:23<jimpop>o11c: strange, my clean stretch boxen don't have it. I've manually created in on one and eagerly await a kernel release to see it if gets read. ;-)
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14:25<o11c>mistnim: well, you're clearly doing something wrong, bceause it should be linking to libjpeg.so.62
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14:26<mistnim>I just cloned the repo, cmake, make, make install
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14:33<strr>okay .. I have returned with the NVidia Quadro K4200 installed and working .. with minor issues
14:35<strr>output from xdpyinfo goes on for days ( perfect ) and OpenGL extensions work. However .. there is always something .. the fonts on screen are unreadable .. I think the DPI is obscene or something
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14:39<strr>anyone know how to change "resolution: 52x52 dots per inch" to a more reasonable 96 DPI ?
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14:39<o11c>strr: does that match the xrandr(1) output calculations?
14:40<strr>good question .. one sec
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14:41<strr>https://paste.debian.net/998420/ it may not be wise to have dual monitors with diff DPI settings
14:42<strr>that looks to be correct data .. the left monitor is quite large and the right one is a normal run of the mill unit
14:42<strr>may be an NVidia config issue ... on screen menues are microscopic at the moment
14:43<o11c>honestly, I think everything is working as designed
14:43<o11c>there's really *no* good solution for mismatched DPIs
14:43<o11c>maybe you could try physicaly switching the monitor cables?
14:43<strr>yeah .. however I *should* be able to read a pop up menu on a 42 inch monitor and I can not .. can barely
14:44<o11c>alternatively, you could probably replace the "correct" EDID with one that spoofs the info you want
14:44<strr>I will search around the LXDE config files .. must be an issue with font selection as these look to be font size 6
14:44<strr>yikes .. nope .. no need to hack it
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14:48<o11c>there's an article somewhere that goes on about "DPI is the wrong measure, we really want DP°"
14:48<o11c>I can't find the one I was thinking of, but this is on the same subject: http://jaredjared.com/2012/10/visual-acuity-dpi/
14:48<strr>the issue may be solved in LXDE with lxappearance .. sorting it out now
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14:50<strr>o11c: found it .. was in the lxappearance app which had fonts at sans 8 .. I doubled that
14:51<strr>now I just need to sort out Firefox where everything became massively huge ...
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14:57<strr>o11c: any clue why vlc would stop working entirely ? I mean no video at all .. audio seems fine .
14:57<strr>this NVidia Quadro config is overly convoluted .. for reasons unknown
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15:12<strr>holy crap .. this desktop is unusable .... fonts are massive and no way to sort that out .. firefox looks like I need to be ten feet away to appreciate it and on screen menus from X are okay now .. but everything else is borked
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15:15<BCMM>strr: nvidia, right?
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15:15<strr>BCMM: bingo ... a NVidia Quadro K4200
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15:16<BCMM>strr: yeah, the proprietary nvidia drivers have a long-standing feature where every time you install a new driver version it makes up a new DPI for your monitor
15:16<strr>lovely ... just lovely
15:16<strr>well the DPI is just nuts at the moment so I may need to hand craft an Xorg.conf and set it
15:17<BCMM>i don't know how it derives this value because it's not based in reality and it's not consistent from version to version
15:17<BCMM>strr: yeah, you basically always need to force a dpi in xorg.conf for nvidia, or driver updates will surprise you
15:17<ryouma>xrandr
15:17<ryouma>is one poss
15:17<BCMM>but at least these days you don't need to have a full xorg.conf to do that; you can just include the section you want
15:18<BCMM>huh, didn't realise xrandr could change the display's dpi
15:18<strr>well .. it isn't the worst thing in the world to have a full Xorg.cong ( is it a capital X ? ) where at least I know what I am getting
15:18<strr>clearly I need to read the man page on xrandr
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15:27<strr>BCMM: well golly gee. xdpyinfo | grep inch reported " resolution: 52x52 dots per inch" which after 'xrandr --dpi 96' now reports the correct 96 DPI
15:28<BCMM>strr: xrandr is generally a modify current session thing; so either put that in your Xorg.conf or set up your DE to run that xrandr command at login
15:29<BCMM>but yeah, can't believe nvidia is *still* doing that
15:29<strr>yeah ... it did nothing for Firefox or Thunderbird so ... I think the xorg.conf is needed. I also made an .xinitrc but that may be a wrong approach
15:29<BCMM>it must be almost 10 years since i first dealt with that issue
15:29<piper>i have never seen that myself NVIDIA 384.98
15:30<BCMM>strr: i expect some applications will just check that at first run
15:30<BCMM>strr: sorry not first run, i meant during startup
15:30<piper>although i don't use stable
15:30<BCMM>restarting firefox might sort it
15:30<BCMM>piper: it's sorta the luck of the draw, depends on your monitor, graphics card and driver version
15:30<strr>I am on stable stretch with nvidia-smi reports Driver Version 375.82
15:31<strr>BCMM: tried that ... I think the xorg.conf file needs to be hand rolled here
15:31<strr>now then .. if I could just recall a tool that helps with that ... ( been a decade at least )
15:31<BCMM>strr: https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Specifying_DPI_for_NVIDIA_Cards
15:31<strr>one sec .. will fire up firefox again
15:31<BCMM>strr: these days it's not autoconfig vs. complete xorg.conf. you can just include the sections you need to modify
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15:32<strr>I really should do a screenshot .. this is sooooo borked
15:32<piper>GeForce GTX 970, got rid of xorg.conf just before it became obsolete
15:32<BCMM>strr: actually this is probably a better reference https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/xorg#Proprietary_NVIDIA_driver
15:33<strr>I have a Quadro K4200 and a new 1070TI not installed yet
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15:34<piper>i wonder if you can do the DPI in sddm.conf (if using sddm) like in arch ServerArguments=-nolisten tcp -dpi 94
15:34<strr>check out this mess ---> https://i.imgur.com/xANrmaD.png
15:35<strr>itty bitty fonts in a web page and massive huge fonts on all the applications
15:35<strr>thankfully xterm with -fn foo works for font name 'foo'
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15:37*strr notes there is not such directory as /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ nor a file /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf
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15:39<piper>strr: if you did not make one, you need to, xorg.conf went bye-bye a long time ago
15:39<strr>for reasons best left unknown I am sure
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15:40<piper>gotta run, dinner time
15:41<strr>right on
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15:41<strr>I think I shall reboot my whole machine and see what happens ... a terrible method to be sure
15:42<strr>if all goes to hell ... I can always ssh into from my laptop :-\
15:42<strr>pardon me ... I shall return .. I hope
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15:53<strr>well the reboot resulted in no change .. initial dpi was still thought to be 52x52 which is bizarre. So /etc/X11/xorg.conf is entirely ignored.
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15:56<strr>seems I put it in the wrong place ... lovely .. needs to be in /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/
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15:59<o11c>okay, it looks like my problem is that `Hash: SHA1` is treated as insecure now
15:59<strr>sha1 has been sort of deprecated for a long long time now
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16:01<strr>o11c: not sure what you are working on but openssl will gen a list of valid cipher names for you and sha256 upwards is the way to go
16:03<retrospectacus>o11c: it's just a warning. Ignore it
16:03<BCMM>strr: man xorg.conf says that directory is for the distro, not for your own config
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16:04<strr>*sigh* well I did find /etc/nvidia/current/nvidia-drm-outputclass.conf which is symlinked all over the place and it seems to be exactly what the nvidia ko module and Xorg pay attention to. Not the module .. but the X server
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16:06<strr>pardon me ... need to logout and log in and maybe reset X again ... not a full reboot hopefully
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16:06<o11c>strr, retrospectacus: I'm trying to use old snapshots.debian.org entries, and I'd *really* like to be able to still verify even though it's an "untrusted" hash ... and at *least* it should be giving a better error message
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16:21<strr>well making progress with zero results thus far .. back to microscopic fonts and xrandr is needed to set DPI but .. I found the correct steps now .. I think .. I hope : https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Configuration
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16:38<ap4lmtree>how do you get the ip in debian of a domain?
16:38<ap4lmtree>you type host right?
16:38<ap4lmtree>is there another eway
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16:59<BCMM>ap4lmtree: is there a problem with the host command?
16:59<BCMM>ap4lmtree: i mean, do you want to achieve something more than what it does, or is it just curiosity?
17:00<BCMM>anyway, you could use dig if you want extra information
17:00<ap4lmtree>i was trying to make this argument right to fcc chairman ajit pai https://i.imgur.com/dFlR6T6.png
17:00<ap4lmtree>i fixed it
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17:03<ap4lmtree>BCMM, did you study tcp/ip?
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17:04<ap4lmtree>like there is a book on it right, but i was never able to get gasp of its information permanently
17:04<ap4lmtree>https://www.amazon.com/TCP-Illustrated-Protocols-Addison-Wesley-Professional/dp/0321336313
17:04<BCMM>that's a slightly odd question... but no, not formally at least
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17:39<Guest49>hi
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17:40<petn-randall>hi Guest49
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17:40<Guest49>https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4094/4863620446_b7f09c3ecc_b.jpg
17:41<Guest49>im not speak english i like linux debian
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17:53<sonic>hello
17:53<sonic>is there anyone online right now ?
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17:53<o11c>ap4lmtree: if you want to do it properly via nsswitch: getent hosts example.com
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17:54<Guest50>continue
17:55<Guest50>hey speed
17:55<Guest50>where are you
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18:08<patty>Hi
18:08<patty>After upgrade Wheezy to Jessie why sometimes I can't SSH to it?
18:10<annadane>patty, does it give you specific error messages? hard to know otherwise without more info
18:10<annadane>patty, paste.debian.net
18:11<patty>Failed to get D-Bus connection: Unknown error -1
18:12<patty>when I restart ssh I got error "Failed to get D-Bus connection: Unknown error -1"
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18:18<patty>when I try to connect via SSH I got "connection refused"
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18:21<patty>before I run 'apt-get dist-upgrade' I could SSH to remote system
18:21<patty>apt-get dist-upgrade’ caused the problem
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18:22<Zimsky>maybe sshd stopped and didn't start again
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18:22<Zimsky>hope you have hypervisor access
18:22<Zimsky>or some kinda LOM
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18:24<patty>after use "apt-get install linux-image-amd64" to upgrade to jessie why do we need to run "apt-get dist-upgrade"?
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18:25<annadane>err
18:26<annadane>because apt install linux-image-amd64 isn't how you upgrade to jessie
18:26<annadane>so now i wonder if you did the upgrade process properly
18:28<o11c>patty: do you have debconf prompts suppressed? Because failing daemons is documented common if glibc is upgraded but the daemons aren't upgraded
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18:29<patty>o11c, thanks. I don't know if debconf prompts is suppressed. How to tell?
18:29<o11c>patty: well, did you get a big fat prompt "enter the names of daemons to restart"?
18:29<patty>after run "apt install linux-image-amd64" my uname -a show it is upgraded to jessie
18:30<patty>so why should I run apt-get dist-upgrade?
18:30<patty>I don't get "enter the names of daemons to restart"
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18:38<BrandonArnold>patty: That just installs the kernel associated with amd64, which has a different version for each distribution including jessie
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18:39<BrandonArnold>Surely you're tracking stable or jessie /etc/apt/sources.list file if the system has upgraded to jessie
18:39<patty>BrandonArnold, Thanks. yes, I upgraded the system from Wheezy to Jessie using 'apt-get install linux-image-amd64’
18:40<BrandonArnold>K. Not sure how.
18:40<patty>After "apt-get install linux-image-amd64’" should I do the full system upgrade using "apt-get dist-upgrade"?
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18:42<annadane>apt upgrade before dist-upgrade is probably a good first step
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18:43<BrandonArnold>The steps are in the release notes as I also got instructions on doing this a few days back. From memory, if you haven't got any pinning preferences or other sources, is to replace all references from 'wheezy' to 'jessie', then `apt-get update`, `apt-get upgrade`, `apt-get dist-upgrade`
18:43<BrandonArnold>^ replace all references in the /etc/apt/sources.list file, that is. But you should read the jessie release notes instead of taking my word for it.
18:44<BrandonArnold>It is not much and describes the upgrade steps.
18:46<patty>I did "apt-get update && apt-get -V upgrade", ‘sed -i 's/wheezy/jessie/g' /etc/apt/sources.list’, ‘apt-get update && apt-get -V upgrade’ , ‘apt-get install linux-image-amd64’, and ‘apt-get dist-upgrade’. I added the step "‘apt-get install linux-image-amd64’" Because our system uses customer kernel and didn't update for two years.
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18:54<BrandonArnold>patty: Cool deal. All those steps before `apt-get install linux-image-amd64` are what got you upgraded. Probably not necessary to do another `apt-get update && apt-get upgrade` followed by `apt-get dist-upgrade` after your kernel upgrade, but you can do them to be on the safe side
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18:56<patty>BrandonArnold, I found before ‘apt-get dist-upgrade’ the system already was upgraded to jessie, so not sure if I still need to run "‘apt-get dist-upgrade’
18:56<patty>BrandonArnold, thanks for advice
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18:57<annadane>patty, if you run apt upgrade it will tell you the number of packages not yet upgraded
18:57<annadane>if you see "x not upgraded" then you'll need to dist-upgrade
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19:01<patty>after apt upgrade, apt upgrade and `apt-get install linux-image-amd64`, I use uname -a and it shows it is already jessie
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19:09<BrandonArnold>patty: then you're upgraded. So you need to investigate other avenues to fix your SSH issue.
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20:01<patty>BrandonArnold, if I don't run "apt-get dist-upgrade" no SSH issue
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