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00:02<elof_>uhh....edit the grub file?
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00:09<somiaj>well edit that 40_custom script, or copy it and make your own.
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01:23<elof_>somiaj: the most difficult part of editing that 40_custom script is after I have done on the file, the grub shows it cannot found my FreeBSD.
01:25<somiaj>I'm unsure what you need to do to tell grub to boot FreeBSD
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01:25<jm_>does os-prober not work for fbsd?
01:25<somiaj>you may want to ask freeBSD for some support on how to boot it from grub (or chain load the freebsd bootloader)
01:25<somiaj>jm_: at least not for elof_, I already suggested that.
01:26<jm_>ahh sorry
01:27<elof_>somiaj: I want to know how to edit "set root=( )" to make the 2nd hdd boot.
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01:31<somiaj>can you boot freebsd just fine by selecting it in your bios/efi firmware?
01:32<jm_>heh some old patches were submitted that add bsd support, but then there's this entry in changelog: Revert broken patch adding support for BSD distributions. Closes: #668860
01:32<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/668860 in os-prober (closed): «/usr/lib/os-probes/mounted/90bsd-distro: gawk: not found»; severity: normal; opened: 2012-04-15; last modified: 2012-05-29.
01:32<elof_>somiaj: if I just config bios, yes, it can boot.
01:33<elof_>it is bootable if I manually config the priority.
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01:36<somiaj>well I'm finding lots of solutions in google, also many places that say os-prober should see freebsd. The fact that it isn't seeing it might mean your setup with freebsd may need some extra help
01:36<somiaj>https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/16886/set-up-grub-2-to-boot-freebsd-using-either-ubuntu-tools-or-liveusb-to-find-what
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02:15<rjsalts>I'm trying to rebuild bind9 9.11 from source on jessie with the extra-option --enable-dnstap. I have the protobufs stuff installed but the build is barfing because the source package does dh_auto_configure -B build as far as I can tell
02:15<rjsalts>but it doesn't copy the dnstap.proto file over to the build directory
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02:20<rjsalts>what does the copying with dh_auto_configure?
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03:47<sayHello>есть че
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04:41<cmd9165>Good day everyone! I have a problem with locating my files: I'm able to play mp3:s in Rhythmbox but can't find them anywhere (not with nautilus, terminal or disk analyzer...)
04:41<grawity>maybe they're in the cloud
04:41<grawity>is there anything like right-click → Properties?
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04:42<cmd9165>Yeah, it says "contents: nothing" in the music folder
04:42<grawity>yes I meant the mp3 files you're playing
04:43<cmd9165>The mp3:s say in properties that they're located in the music folder
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04:43<grawity>run `lsof -p $(pidof rhythmbox)`
04:44<grawity>maybe your music folder is not at ~/Music
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04:46<cmd9165>Yeah, I've changed the default folder into another one that's on another drive. The command gave nothing as result
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04:46<jm_>did you do that while it's playing music?
04:47<cmd9165>Yes
04:47<grawity>by "nothing" do you mean "no output at all", or do you mean "some stuff not including music files"?
04:47<cmd9165>No output. Tried now without rhythmbox launched as well
04:48<grawity>that is rather unusual, at minimum it prints the table header – or an error message
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04:49<jm_>what if you find its PID and do «ls -l /proc/<PID>/fd» ?
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04:59<cmd9165>The output to that gives the location of the folder where the file being played is supposed to be. Still I, can't find it...
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05:00<jm_>does it say (deleted) ?
05:00<cmd9165>No
05:00<grawity>the location is something like /home/cmd9165/Music/..., yes?
05:00<jm_>wait, that probably can't be if you restarted rhytmbox
05:01<grawity>try `ls -la /proc/<PID>/root/home/cmd9165/Music`
05:01<grawity>well, with whatever path it is showing appended to /proc/<PID>/root
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05:08<grawity>what
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05:11<cmd9165>"ls: cannot access ... No such file or directory" The weird thing is that everything else on the drive is visible as normally, just the music folder is empty. The only way to "see" the files this far was the "ls -l /proc/<PID>/fd
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05:48<cmd9165>I'll have to continue with my problem later. Thanks for helping grawity and jm_ !
05:49<jm_>no problem, it definitely sounds weird
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07:39<petn-randall>La: Please don't spam the channel. Do you have a Debian support question?
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07:43<aXeton>Hello, anybody tried recompiling Stretch for i586?
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07:47<petn-randall>aXeton: Probably, do you have a follow-up question?
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07:51<aXeton>And even for i486? I am curious if it is still possible to recompile and run Stretch on these old CPUs(at least base packages, no X). I have somewhere read that GCC has been changed to target 686 class CPUs and is generating code that will crash on other CPUs, is it true?
07:52<jm_>https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2016/05/msg00001.html
07:53<petn-randall>aXeton: The Linux kernel dropped support for i586 some time in the past, so I'd assume you won't get a key component to work anymore.
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07:56<aXeton>jm_: yes, this is the message I saw, but was not able to find another further info... Found only, that Linux kernel dropped support for i386, i486 and forward was not mentioned here
07:56<aXeton>*there
07:56<jm_>aXeton: it says it needs class 686 CPU-s, isn't that good enough?
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08:01<webmind>gold: debian installer if I want to do the installation process in C: dbd38336b0acc0044a43e2f007811957
08:01<webmind>oops
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08:04<aXeton>jm_: I have some older systems on which I need networking and I am worried about security... i586 are (as for now) not a problem, but the i486 (older Debian releases are not supported anymore), therefore I am interested and curious of possibility to rebuild it for it
08:05<petn-randall>aXeton: Note that a 10$ Rpi zero has more umpf than a i586, so unless you're toying with them for historical reasons, I wouldn't bother.
08:07<jm_>aXeton: yeah as petn-randall said, better find a way forward from this situation
08:07<aXeton>Yes, it is for historical reasons, personally love these old machines :)
08:08<petn-randall>aXeton: Then you can keep them on jessie or wheezy, those releases should still work.
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08:08<aXeton>or maybe the solution would be building separated network
08:09<petn-randall>!wheezy lts
08:09<dpkg>Security support for Debian 7 "Wheezy" from the Debian Security Team ended on 2016-04-25. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures receive additional long term support (LTS) via <wheezy/updates> until 2018-05-31. See http://deb.li/2aC for excluded packages. No changes to /etc/apt/sources.list are needed for wheezy-lts.
08:09<aXeton>yes, Jessie is solution for i586 (but not for i486) and Wheezy is not supported anymore
08:09<petn-randall>aXeton: wheezy still gets security support. ^^^
08:10<petn-randall>Only for i386/amd64 archs, and some packages are excluded.
08:10<aXeton>Oh, good to know
08:10<aXeton>thx
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08:21<webmind>Hmm, got an installer, from usb, with grub. But the installer can't find the iso
08:21<webmind>I can mount the usb in a shell, and the iso is right there
08:22<webmind>is there a way to force the installer to use that iso?
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08:24<petn-randall>webmind: That is not supported, no. Use the instructions in the release notes on how to prepare usb installation images.
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08:26<webmind>petn-randall: the normal way of usb booting doesn't work here, serial console gets screwed up
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08:32<webmind>so any help just getting debian installed, would be welcome :)
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08:33<petn-randall>webmind: If you can get some Debian live system to boot, you can always use debootstrap for the initial installation.
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08:36<webmind>petn-randall: yeah, that's the other option
08:36<webmind>was hoping this would work
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08:37<petn-randall>I might work somehow, it's just never been attempted and documented. :)
08:37<petn-randall>So I'd go with debootstrap, which is more the bread-and-butter way to install, even though it's targeted towards advanced users.
08:40<webmind>well, I got it from a website that did it for wheezy
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11:45<edwin_quijada>Hi!
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11:47<edwin_quijada>I wanna install a proxy service to navigate for different pages that I can not from my country ? somebody can give rigth direction how to do ?
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11:51<retrospectacus>you can use a vpn or any simple proxying website, there are lots. You can use startpage.com for your search engine; it allows proxy access to results
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12:02<edwin_quijada>retrospectacus: i am trying to use megaproxy.com but the page that I want doesnt work with this , I wanna do something like that for me
12:02<retrospectacus>What version of Debian are you running?
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12:05<edwin_quijada>Jessie
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12:16<retrospectacus>you'll have to be more specific about what you want to do
12:20<jhutchins_wk>edwin_quijada: So is Uraguay blocking you, or is the destination blocking you?
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12:21<rex>how to recover file
12:21<edwin_quijada>retrospectacus: create my own proxy service
12:21<Puercoid2345>Hola
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12:25<Puercoid2345>aiuda ;'u
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12:32<jhutchins_wk>!es
12:32<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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12:54<Puercoid2345>hola
12:55<Puercoid2345>lujan...necesito ayuda
12:55<Puercoid2345>soy abiigail
12:56<Puercoid2345>abigail*
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13:04<petn-randall>Puercoid2345: Go play elswhere.
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13:22<Iridos>petn-randall, you were not dun 'ere ^^
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13:32<retrospectacus>edwin_quijada: there are lots of ways to do what you want. Do more research
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15:09<b17>i must have neglected something, mandb said "241 old database entries were purged." Isn't there a cron job that does this once in awhile?
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15:10<b17>found one in cron.weekly, evidently it's not working
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15:43<grawity>I just noticed my cron jobs stopped running last week
15:43<grawity>because whenever there's major glibc update or PAM update or something
15:43<grawity>cron workers just segfault
15:43<jhutchins_wk>grawity: Doesn't happen here.
15:44<grawity>it's admittedly rare
15:44<koike>rjsalts: I just saw your reply regarding secure boot, you can answer for sure that it is not suported, we are currently discussing to organize a Sprint in the debian-efi list to solve the secure boot support thing
15:44<grawity>but rare enough that I forget to check for it
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15:59<scootergrisen>What is the display manager called in Debian?
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16:01<annadane>scootergrisen, depends what you have installed
16:01<scootergrisen>LXDE
16:02<annadane>lxdm, apparently
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16:22<b17>okay my ~/.profile isn't adding ~/bin to my path, this is annoying
16:23<b17>do i tell lightdm to do it, or kde somewhere or what
16:24<somiaj>b17: man bash, you will discover ~/.profile is only read during a login shell, and most likely you have an interactive shell.
16:24<somiaj>you might want .bashrc or if .bash_profile exists, then ~/.profile won't be read (I belive)
16:25<b17>somiaj: i searched a little, found 95 ways to get it done, all sound flaky
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16:26<somiaj>so read man bash to find the difference between a login and interactive shell, and edit the right file so you get your $PATH set correctly.
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16:26<somiaj>but it sounds like you are using interactive shells, so set it in ~/.bashrc
16:26<b17>jeez that's like a zillion pages
16:27<b17>i got a link to bash faq somewhere
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16:27<darune>Hi everyone, I have a slightly complex question about /etc/network/interfaces, anyone happen to know the intricacies of sourcing configs and appending configs?
16:28<darune>(or know a good place I can go ask before I go breaking my setup ;) )
16:28<somiaj>b17: type 'man bash'
16:29<somiaj>darune: what do you mean? Do you just want config snippits in /etc/network/interfaces.d/foo.conf
16:29<somiaj>darune: then you can just add/remove the files to that directory adn not have to work with a single config file.
16:31<darune>Sort of. I'm stuck with an auto-generated /etc/network/interfaces that contains my bridge interfaces. I need to add some special post-up commands, but I can't add them to that file directly or they will be lost next time it is auto-generated. My only option is the source directive, but I can't find any info on if I source a file with additional config for an interface, will that additional config be appended to the config for that same interface in the
16:31<darune>main file or will it replace it.
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16:32<somiaj>sounds like you need to change the thing that is auto generating it.
16:32<darune>lol I'd like to, but that's a bit out of scope at this point in the project.
16:33<somiaj>but I don't know the interfaces file in that much detail. I almost think there is an XY problem going on here, and you may want to take a step back and think of what you want to achive as another solution maybe more reasonable for this.
16:33<darune>fair, I could just run the few commands at boot, assuming the timing is correct.
16:33<darune>Just wanted to see if there was a nice clean way.
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16:35<darune>I guess I'll give it a shot with the source directive and see if I can determine if the config appends or overwrites
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16:37<scootergrisen>What is the command to install other desktop environment?
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16:38<annadane>scootergrisen, apt install <desktop environment>, or i guess there's also tasksel
16:38<somiaj>just install teh appropriate metapackage like you would install any package
16:38<annadane>depends what you want, you tell us, we'll tell you
16:40<b17>darune: "I need to add some special post-up commands" isn't that what ifup.d directory is for?
16:41<darune>b17: good point, had tunnel vision on the interface config. I'll research it, thanks.
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16:46<scootergrisen>annadane: thanks
16:47<annadane>scootergrisen, for xfce it's just xfce4 (or xfce4-goodies if you want related applications), but for kde there's things like kde-full and minimal and different options
16:47<annadane>the debian wiki should have all this information
16:47<annadane>wiki.debian.org
16:47<scootergrisen>ok
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17:27<darune>b17,somiaj: works like a charm. Thanks for the help.
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18:14<taco>hello?
18:14<taco>Am I alone
18:14<burek>hi
18:14<taco>:D
18:14<burek>no you are not bro
18:15<burek>im wit u
18:15<burek>tfw
18:15<taco>this is my favorite facebook app
18:15<burek>both of us are food
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18:49<Puercoid2345>holaaaa
18:49<Puercoid2345>help me
18:50<Puercoid2345>plz
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19:09<ryouma>i want to find libraries that are not depended on by anything else, so i can delete them or mark them auto. what is a good search command for that? i tried "aptitude markauto '~slibs' '~slibdevel' '~soldlibs' '~sperl' '~spython'" but it includes a few things that do not seem to fit those categories.
19:11<bremner>ryouma: what about using "deborphan" ?
19:12<ryouma>bremner: it doesn't catch everything. recently i did check-support-status which found libraries that deborphan did not, which had nothing depending on them.
19:12<bremner>ryouma: I see.
19:13<ryouma>so i figured i could get rid of a bunch of libraries. but i get this big list like "gir1.2-nautilus-3.0{u} gir1.2-poppler-0.18{u} libdrm-dev{u}" which i cannot grep out and which includes things like magit and other things that are not conceivably libraries.
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19:19<awal1>ryouma, --purge-unused helps sometimes
19:20<awal1>also purge ~o or '~o'
19:21<ryouma>awal1: trying it now. i hope it will do a y/n for me.
19:21<ryouma>what is ~o?
19:22<awal1>~o for obsolete
19:22<awal1>~c for non purged configs and ~b for obsolete
19:22<awal1>and so on
19:23<awal1>let me check if I found a link about such stuff
19:23<ryouma>purge-unused is taking forever. ok to kill it?
19:23<ryouma>b for broken?
19:24<awal1>check https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/aptitude/ch02s04s05.en.html
19:24<awal1>usually --purge-unused takes you to tui
19:24<ryouma>oh i am doing from dumb terminal
19:24<ryouma>killing
19:25<awal1>if you run aptitude --purge-unused in cli mode that command transfers you to tui automatically
19:26<ryouma>but it hangs in dumb terminal :)
19:26<ryouma>seemingly
19:26<awal1>not sure why that for you
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19:28<awal1>I'm trying (simulating ) and all fine --purge-unused on cli mode and you get tui mode
19:28<awal1>I am not familiar with tui mode, anyway
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19:39<Guest443>hey guys
19:39<Guest443>this is support channel right
19:40<Guest443>what is chat channel
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19:40<bremner>!chat
19:40<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
19:41<bremner>there's 3 suggestions.
19:43<Guest443>thank you!
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20:09<ryouma>/is/ there a search term for "all libraries that are not depended on by anything"?
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20:18<nmschulte>(running x11/sddm/i3 via ~/.xsession
20:18<nmschulte>bleh... -- wondering if anyone can recommend a tool to quickly annotate a screencapture -- e.g. box/circle, color, text, highlight?
20:19<bremner>inkscape?
20:23<ryouma>the comprehensive tool is gimp
20:24<bremner>yeah. I just expect/home inkscape is a bit better for e.g. moving text around. Could be wrong though.
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20:37<awal1>ryouma, if apt-get autoremove or aptitude purge ~o doesn't find non used/needed pkgs then you have to do it manually; no magic option there, pkgs (including libs) inter-dependency is complex. spending time , hours or maybe days for clean the system? reinstalling is better; fastest and easiest way
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20:37<awal1>btw, what are you trying to do exactly?
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20:38<ryouma>just to learn a few commands i can use to keep root trimmed
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20:38<ryouma>so it fits places better and transfers fast
20:38<ryouma>and also perhaps makes dist-upgrades smoother
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20:41<awal1>what have you installed then you wanted to clean out?
20:41<awal1>just curious
20:41<awal1>a big meta-pkg like gnome /kde?
20:42<ivan>fun fact: if you have an package A that depends on auto-installed X Y and Z, purging Z will mark X and Y as manual-installed
20:44<awal1>pkgs are easy to find/locate; libs is abit more complicated
20:44<awal1>pretty sure we all have a bunch of libs landing there as non hard deps
20:45<nmschulte>bremner: ryouma: I'll give 'em a try -- was hoping for something more... sophisticated
20:45<ryouma>awal1: libraries just accumulate
20:45<awal1>yup
20:45<awal1>ryouma
20:46<ivan>consider having a list of manual-installed packages and marking everything else auto, then autoremoving (with that special arg to avoid treating recommends as important)
20:46<ivan>(warning: hard to get right the first time)
20:47<ryouma>ivan: :(
20:47<awal1>ryouma, you know what is the best way for you?
20:47<nmschulte>I want to keep chrome-gnome-shell uninstalled, but keep task-gnome-desktop/gnome-core -- can I do that?
20:48<awal1>reinstall and be careful during installs, checking closely recommends
20:49<awal1>but A can be a dep for B and a recommends for C :P
20:49<awal1>vicious circle
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20:51<nmschulte>I wonder if you could install a utility to monitor FS activity, and link that back to the packages, giving an idea of application/package use
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20:55<ryouma>i'm still trying to figuerw out ivan's fun fact. it seems totally bloaty to do that but maybet here is a reason?
20:57<ivan>ryouma: maybe something about people installing some metapackage, removing something that metapackage depends on, then expecting the rest of the stuff to remain installed
20:57<ivan>don't expect apt to behave reasonably, is what I have learned
20:57<ivan>also, all things that provide a virtual package will be retained
20:59<ivan>(assuming something depends on the virtual package, of course)
20:59<ryouma>definietly do not want to reisntall
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21:18<awal1>ivan, how can you remove pkg Z if it is a dep for A without removing A it self :P?
21:18<ivan>awal1: well, A gets removed too, of course, and then that marking happens too
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21:19<awal1>ivan, I thought you meant Z can be removed keeping A :P
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