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02:19<dzodbok>Yandex.Translate, [06.12.17 10:18]
02:19<dzodbok>hi. Help to put teamviewer. Error.
02:20<dzodbok>Init...
02:20<dzodbok>CheckCPU: SSE2 support: yes
02:20<dzodbok>Checking setup...
02:20<dzodbok>Launching TeamViewer ...
02:20<dzodbok>Starting network process (no daemon)
02:20<dzodbok>Network process started (2680)
02:20<dzodbok>Launching TeamViewer GUI ...
02:21<towo^work>ask the teamviewer-support
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02:22<towo^work>teamviewer is not a part of debian
02:22<dzodbok>I am a newbie and doing something wrong.
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02:24<dzodbok>version teamviewer portable
02:24<jm_>dzodbok: as towo^work said, teamviewer is not in debian so we can't help you, you'll have to find some other channel to get help
02:24<annadane>dzodbok, and for future reference put pastes over 2 lines in paste.debian.net
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02:27<dzodbok>I set the version to ubuntu (works. When updating apt error
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02:29<dzodbok>what is the problem help me?
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02:29<towo^work>the problem is, you don't read, what's written
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02:30<dzodbok>Yandex.Translate, [06.12.17 10:30]
02:30<dzodbok>I'm from Russia. Translator lose their meaning. Write in simple sentences. I'm not the channel choose?
02:30<jm_>yes you are in the wrong channel to get help with teamviewer
02:30<jm_>also:
02:30<jm_>!ru
02:30<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
02:31<jm_>for help with ubuntu:
02:31<jm_>!ubuntuirc
02:31<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu
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02:31<annadane>curious how you know they're on ubuntu?
02:32<jm_>just assumed based on this: <dzodbok> I set the version to ubuntu (works. When updating apt error
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02:32<annadane>ah. missed that
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02:35<towo^work>he is using parrot
02:35<towo^work>so tripple wrong channel
02:36<jm_>ahh heh
02:37<annadane>dzodbok, Parrot is based on Debian, but is different and so you should ask for Parrot help on their support resources. (Though again, I doubt they have teamviewer either)
02:38<dzodbok>Yandex.Translate, [06.12.17 10:30]
02:38<dzodbok>I'm from Russia. Translator lose their meaning. Write in simple sentences. I'm not the channel choose?
02:38<dzodbok>Yandex.Translate, [06.12.17 10:38]
02:38<dzodbok>I can't find Russian support. What channel?
02:39<annadane>!ru
02:39<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
02:40<dzodbok>ok
02:41<annadane>dzodbok, but as we mentioned, teamviewer is not in debian, possibly also not in ubuntu, and you are using parrot which is unrelated to both ubuntu and debian
02:41<annadane>so even #debian-russian may not be able to help you
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02:43<annadane>dzodbok, by the way, #debian-russian is located on irc.freenode.net, not here on oftc
02:43<dzodbok>Yandex.Translate, [06.12.17 10:30]
02:43<dzodbok>I'm from Russia. Translator lose their meaning. Write in simple sentences. I'm not the channel choose?
02:43<dzodbok>Yandex.Translate, [06.12.17 10:38]
02:43<dzodbok>I can't find Russian support. What channel?
02:43<dzodbok>Yandex.Translate, [06.12.17 10:43]
02:43<dzodbok>Put yourself on the pc the portable version and run it. I am a newbie and doing something wrong. Error due to ignorance.
02:44<annadane>dzodbok, this is not the proper channel for teamviewer. contact teamviewer support.
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02:44<annadane>dzodbok, and if you continue to paste multiple messages in chat you will get kicked by the bot for spamming
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02:45<jm_>switch to the right IRC server: irc.freenode.net and join #debian-russian there
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02:46<dzodbok>switch to the right IRC server: irc.freenode.net and join #debian-russian there" Yandex.Translate, [06.12.17 10:30]
02:46<dzodbok>I'm from Russia. Translator lose their meaning. Write in simple sentences. I'm not the channel choose?
02:46<dzodbok>Yandex.Translate, [06.12.17 10:38]
02:46<dzodbok>I can't find Russian support. What channel?
02:46<dzodbok>Yandex.Translate, [06.12.17 10:43]
02:46<dzodbok>Put yourself on the pc the portable version and run it. I am a newbie and doing something wrong. Error due to ignorance.
02:46<dzodbok>Yandex.Translate, [06.12.17 10:46]
02:46<dzodbok>wrote there it's quiet
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02:47<annadane>dzodbok, you can continue talking in here using the translator if you want, but if you can avoid it, please try not to paste multiple messages like that
02:48<annadane>dzodbok, in any case, your best option is neither to post in #debian-russian, or here, or ubuntu support, or parrot support, but to instead get in contact with teamviewer's support resources
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02:48<annadane>dzodbok, keep in mind that IRC is often quiet for long stretches of time; people tend to not check their computers
02:49<dzodbok>Why support teamviewer? The problem because of the lack of experience with debian
02:50<annadane>dzodbok, because teamviewer is not packaged in debian, so you will not find adequate support resources here; it is better for you to ask them directly
02:50<jm_>dzodbok: as we said before, teamviewer is not in debian so we are not familiar with it and thus can't help
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02:51<hendrikL>dzodbok: maybe they can help you, https://community.teamviewer.com/ and no, a not working source list entry is a problem of teamviewer, so pleas fill a bug against upstream
02:52<hendrikL>please*
02:52<annadane>dzodbok, if i had to guess, third party programs generally do not start because you are missing some package or library that it relies on, and that may be in the error messages
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02:52<annadane>but i will not answer this further as it is not the right place for it
02:53<dzodbok>my Parrot OS. I have established teamviewer for ubuntu. Works. When updating packages a mistake. Whether it is critical?
02:53<dzodbok>The portable version isn't connected to the Internet. I think at all so.
02:53<dzodbok>Just download the portable version and start.
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02:53<annadane>dzodbok, if there is a mistake when updating packages then that may be something you can ask parrot support
02:53<annadane>!parrot
02:53<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
02:54<annadane>#parrot on irc.frozenbox.org or lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo
02:54<dzodbok>here it is possible to send a screenshot? Function is available?
02:54<annadane>dzodbok, we in #debian can *not* help you with teamviewer
02:55<annadane>but yes, in general, picpaste.com for screenshots/pictures
02:56<dzodbok>My God. A problem only because of lack of experience. You have established teamviewer7
02:57<dzodbok>debian kernel Linux?
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02:58<annadane>dzodbok, if you ask your support questions about a program in a channel which has nothing to do with the program then people will either not know or give you inaccurate answers, and i am sure that is not what you want; just because teamviewer is packaged for linux does not mean we know how to solve teamviewer problems
02:59<annadane>it may be packaged for linux, but not debian, so we do not know
03:01<dzodbok>you are right. but there is no problem. A problem because of transition from windows to linux. There is no experience. Therefore I can't start teamviewer. Everything is simple.
03:02<annadane>dzodbok, if you are completely new to linux i recommend not using parrot; parrot is an advanced penetration distribution, not really meant for beginning users and not for miscellaneous daily computer use - it is highly specialized
03:02<annadane>you may wish to try ubuntu or debian, but i leave that up to you
03:03<annadane>in any case, it may be simple but unfortunately #debian has a policy of only answering questions that have to do with programs packaged for debian
03:04<dzodbok>I quickly master software of the Parrot.
03:04<dzodbok>Thanks for answers. I will study offline
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03:39<annadane>hi barlarlar
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03:59<dzodbok>https://community.teamviewer.com/t5/Linux/Parrot-OS-3-10-mistake-teamviewer-isn-t-connected-to-the/m-p/24829/highlight/false#M1183
03:59<annadane>there you go. i'm sure someone will be able to help you
04:01<dzodbok>It seems to me won't help. Why to someone to spend time?
04:02<annadane>you don't know that - it could help, i'm sure somebody will answer
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04:12<annadane>what an adversarial person.
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04:40<adhawkins>Hi all. Seeing errors like this on my XCP host machine.
04:40<adhawkins>http://paste.debian.net/999412/
04:40<adhawkins>Does this indicate a failing hard disk?
04:41<grawity>possibly, yes
04:41<grawity>check SMART status via `smartctl -a`
04:43<adhawkins>Just doing that :)
04:43<adhawkins>http://paste.debian.net/999413/
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04:44<adhawkins>The read error rate on sda doesn't look good...
04:44<jm_>also Reallocated_Event_Count
04:44<jm_>and Reallocated_Sector_Ct
04:45<adhawkins>So sda is on the way out basically?
04:45<jm_>looks like it
04:45<adhawkins>Damn. Ok, thanks for that.
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04:50<adhawkins>It's part of a raid1 mirror. Would you remove it now to prevent it causing issues with the array, or leave it in place until I have a replacement ready to go?
04:50<adhawkins>It's currently rebuilding...
04:54<adhawkins>It seems at the moment that occasionally the VMs on the machine stop responding for a shot period, which may coincide with the occasional errors that are occurring.
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05:01<b17>adhawkins: 81704 hours wow that was a good drive
05:02<adhawkins>That can't be right, there's no way the machine is 10 years old.
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05:06<adhawkins>No, I bought it in May 2013 I think
05:07<adhawkins>Can't find the order for the disks, but I'm sure I would have bought them around the same time.
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05:12<adhawkins>Hmmm, now I think about it, it's possible I recycled those drives from an old NAS...
05:12<b17>i have a smaller deskstar with 41000 really good drive
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05:22<elof_>I have reinstalled my debian on my another hdd, but it is unbootable.
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05:37<adhawkins>Would you remove it from the array now? It's causing real performance problems.
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05:38<adhawkins>is it save to remove a drive while the array is rebuilding?
05:38<b17>i don't use raid. couldn't say. it's running 5C hotter than the other one, how full is it?
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05:39<adhawkins>About 75%
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05:44<Adhawkins_>Is there a Debian or Linux raid channel?
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05:45<b17>just hang out here, someone will have some advice probably
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05:45<Adhawkins_>Ok thanks
05:45<jm_>!software raid
05:45<dpkg>"Multidisk Device" (MD) is commonly used to describe the software <RAID> facilities available in the Linux kernel. To establish a software RAID array at Debian installation time, see section 6.3.3.4 of the <install guide>. See also <mdadm>. http://wiki.debian.org/SoftwareRAID http://linux.yyz.us/why-software-raid.html http://raid.wiki.kernel.org/ #linux-raid on irc.freenode.net.
05:45<jm_>try thyere
05:46<jm_>elof_: define reinstall
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05:48<petn-randall>elof_: Did the grub installation step fail in the installer?
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05:58<elof_>petn-randall: nope, the boot process stalled.
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05:58<petn-randall>elof_: How did you prepare the installation image?
05:59<elof_>what did you mean preparing the installation image?
05:59<elof_>I installed with netinstall cd
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06:00<petn-randall>elof_: Did you burn the CD and then boot from it?
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06:02<elof_>petn-randall: after I successfully installed Debian, I boot from HDD
06:02<petn-randall>elof_: My question is, did you burn a CD or use an USB stick?
06:03<elof_>I burn a CD
06:05<petn-randall>elof_: I see. How does the boot up fail?
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06:08<elof_>petn-randall: stalled.
06:08<petn-randall>elof_: At what step? Is there anything on the screen to see?
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06:11<elof_>petn-randall: nothing, it just stalled
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06:13<petn-randall>elof_: What is the last thing you see before it boots?
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06:13<petn-randall>*before it stalls
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06:16<jm_>try removing "quiet" from kernel boot parameters
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06:21<elof_>petn-randall: *before it stalled* it was just normal bios booting process.
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06:27<gruetzkopf>are you using EFI boot or BIOS (or CSM) boot?
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06:30<elof_>gruetzkopf: the pc is 11 years old
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06:32<gruetzkopf>that's right on the edge, but bios boot is more likely then. 32bit or 64bit CPU/ what image (32bit or 64bit, netinst/cd/dvd?)
06:33<elof_>gruetzkopf: x86
06:33<elof_>netinst cd
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06:34<elof_>I am using FreeBSD, installed on same pc.
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06:35<jm_>did you install grub to mbr or not?
06:36<elof_>this pc only have FreeBSD and Debian, and I remember I installed grub.
06:36<elof_>tl;dr the boot proccess stalled without showing grub
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06:45<petn-randall>elof_: You mentioned you had two disks in there?
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06:52<elof_>petn-randall: because I manage to film the problem,so you would know what I am talking about
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06:53<elof_>I can use FreeBSD just because I chnaged the booting disk priority.
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07:07<elof__>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=593HF3AEu8Q&feature=youtu.be
07:07<elof__>the problem
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07:09<elof__>petn-randall:
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07:10<petn-randall>elof__: I see. So it looks like grub wasn't installed at all.
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07:10<petn-randall>Or to the wrong disk.
07:10<petn-randall>elof__: If you boot from the freebsd disk, do you see grub show up?
07:10<elof__>no
07:11<petn-randall>elof__: Then I'd boot with the rescue option from the installer, and then reinstall grub from within the chroot.
07:11<petn-randall>elof__: Btw, it probably makes sense to use grub to dualboot, that way you don't have to switch disks in the BIOS all the time.
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07:12<elof__>petn-randall: does the debian version matter? I have jessie and stretch
07:13<petn-randall>elof__: I thought you only have FreeBSD and Debian? Where is the 2nd Debian installation?
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07:13<petn-randall>s/and Debian/and one Debian installation/
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07:15<elof__>there is no 2nd debian installation, I burned 2 debian discs because when I have jessie,the stretch has not been released
07:20<elof__>but I am trying to install grub right now. later.
07:20<petn-randall>!stretch
07:20<dpkg>Stretch is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 9, released 2017-06-17. "Stretch" is the rubber octopus in Toy Story 3, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStretch . Ask me about <install stretch>, <release notes>, <jessie->stretch>.
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07:41<EmleyMoor>I'm trying to print 73 copies of a document from LibreOffice... it seems to have been interpreted by the printer as 79 individual documents - it's spending a lot of time processing, as a result. Is this the fault of LibreOffice, cups or the printer?
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07:44<petn-randall>EmleyMoor: What are the extra 6 copies from?
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07:52<elof_>petn-randall: I reinstalled.
07:53<elof_>but
07:53<elof_>same problem.
07:53<elof_>I am sure that I installed grub on the right disk
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07:56<petn-randall>elof_: Did you install grub on both disks?
07:57<elof_>just one
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07:59<elof_>or it is my cd's problem?
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08:04<petn-randall>Being in the channel for more than a few minutes at a time would certainly help ... *sigh*
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08:53<elof_>I reinstalled, this time, I install jessie
08:53<elof_>but still
08:53<elof_>no use
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08:56<enyc>EmleyMoor: I recall back in Openoffice.org days "Send separate print jobs" was a thing.
08:56<enyc>(option in OOo's own settings/preferences)
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08:59<enyc>I don't know to what extent you can expect printer to memorize/regurgitate entire job/duylicate unless you are doing the "print each page 79 copies separately" which then of course needs lots of manual sheet sorting afterwards.... =).
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09:06<chomwitt>trying to run virtualbox from jessie-backport , i install correclty all the backport debs (dkms , virtualbox-dkms , linux-headers-amd64, virtualbox) but when i start it still complain WARNING: The character device /dev/vboxdrv does not exist.
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09:11<chomwitt>i found the bug report but can understand if it's solved or not https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=853878
09:11<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/853878 in virtualbox (closed): «virtualbox: Virtualbox fails to build module on linux 4.9.0-0.bpo.1-amd64»; severity: important; opened: 2017-02-01; last modified: 2017-03-03.
09:12<chomwitt>as i get it is closed but not fixed?
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09:13<chomwitt>shouldnt backport issues get reported to BTS ?
09:14<EmleyMoor>enyc: It's one job in cups
09:14<EmleyMoor>petn-randall: A mistype on my part
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09:25<enyc>EmleyMoor: hrrm is there a cups channel yu coud be asking in?
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09:25<EmleyMoor>enyc: Potentially... will try that soon.
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09:26<petn-randall>chomwitt: Are you running kernel 4.9 or the stock one from jessie?
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09:26<enyc>judd: hrrm iirc problem is that virtualbox never gotinto stretch release
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09:27<enyc>judd: therefore, jessie-backports version got stalled and ouln't be furthe rupdated by the aydebian bpo process works.
09:27<petn-randall>enyc: just is a bot.
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09:27<petn-randall>*judd
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09:27<petn-randall>judd: are you a bot?
09:27<petn-randall>dpkg: are you a bot?
09:27<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
09:27<Lenz>Hello! I'm getting a new high-end PC tomorrow and I am thinking about dual-booting debian and Windows. Where can I check that my hardware will be supported?
09:27<petn-randall>I guess judd hasn't had that trick teached yet.
09:28<enyc>chomwitt: ^^ see above my comments r.e. virtualbox
09:28<petn-randall>Lenz: There's no straight-forward way. What are the specs?
09:29<Lenz>i7-7700K, GTX 1060 6GB, some MSI gaymen motherboard, 2x8GB of 3200GHz RAM, M2 SSD by Samsung petn-randall
09:29<petn-randall>Lenz: Should work out of the box, though the GTX 1060 might not have HW acceleration yet.
09:29<petn-randall>Lenz: Not sure what the current state with nvidia drivers is.
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09:30<Lenz>Alright, that's a bit of a downer, but I guess I'll still do it. petn-randall
09:31<Lenz>It is still advised to first install Windows and then Debian? petn-randall
09:32<petn-randall>Lenz: Yes. Just make sure to use UEFI for installing all the way, and turn off: "BIOS legacy mode", "CSM" and "secure boot".
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09:33<Lenz>Turn that off in the UEFI menue, that is? petn-randall I haven't used a new PC in years...
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09:35<petn-randall>Lenz: Yes. You brand new PC likely support booting in UEFI mode, and also legacy mode. Just make sure that legacy mode is turned *off*, and you'll have a smooth experience.
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09:37<Lenz>Thanks for the advice, petn-randall. Looking forward to having a mean machine again :)
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09:44<elof_>I am back
09:44<elof_>I installed jessie, the process still stalled.
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09:48<Speed2u>is it possible that someone already has made a solution to automate "convertion" between ntfs and ext3/4? :) I plan to replace one windows server 2016 machine with debian but ofc we already have a lot of data stored on ntfs-partitions that would be better to store on ext if moving over to linux (the overhead ntfs-3g leaves make it a no-go), i have 2 brand new HDD's that i can use for a temporary
09:48<Speed2u>buffert, but i need a script or similar that can do all this automatically, painful othervise to do all this manually, around 30TB on 19 HDD's :(. Also - Some of the drives have bad sectors so a bonus would be to only copy the files/dirs that are available without read-error (aka NOT sector by sector)
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09:51<petn-randall>Speed2u: Steps do: 1) Backup *all* the data on the NTFS disks 2) format them ext4 3) restore all data onto the disks.
09:52<petn-randall>*to do even
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09:53<b17>Speed2u: wow that would be some script to do that
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09:54<Blacker47>Speed2u, for copying you can use rsync. you not need a special script or tool. drives with hardware errors should be fixed first anyway. google for hot to use ddresque to copy from bad disk and then you will need some ntfs repair/check... whatever ntfs can do.
09:54<Blacker47>-hot +how
09:54<Speed2u>petn-randall: yes, well i know that is the way u have to go, "convert" was just to explain that i want it to just appear as a convertion. I wounder if i can make all the tasks u told here but unattended
09:56<Speed2u>Blacker47: ok thx i will have a look at that. I have a bery weak memory of have been using rsync as an alternative to btsync to just sync files between computers, didnt rellized it could handle this
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09:57<Blacker47>rsync is (for this case) just a better version of cp for the case you need to restart an interrupted transfer.
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09:58<Speed2u>another way is ofc to do everything manually but it will take a lot of time. I'm also learning proxmox atm and i'm not really sure what filesystem drives that i want to mount for specific vm's only shall be formatted in. If a windows vm i assume that i can stick with ntfs? Only worked with vmware esxi before and that needed every drive to be formatted into their own fs
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09:59<Speed2u>brb need more coffee :p
10:00<Speed2u>aah always good with some coffeine when messing around with new stuff
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10:10<aindros>hi everyone
10:11<aindros>could someone suggest me a good ipsec server?
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10:13<petn-randall>aindros: I'd avoid ipsec if I could, but youi could go with strongswan.
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10:17<chomwitt>petn-randall: 4.9.0-0.bpo.3-amd64
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10:18<aindros>thanks petn-randall, I'd avoid too... I can't change, it's used by an old system
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10:23<petn-randall>chomwitt: As the bug report says, it only works with the kernel shipped in jessie. You could probably install virtualbox from their website to get around this problem.
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11:34<hark>hello, does someone know if packeges.debian.org (or some other webserver) has available the checksums of files in packages
11:35<petn-randall>hark: What are you trying to do?
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11:35<hark>petn-randall: check the integrity of files
11:36<hark>without relying on information stored on the filesystem
11:36<petn-randall>hark: On your Debian system?
11:36<hark>yes
11:36<petn-randall>hark: And why can't you trust the local filesystem?
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11:38<hark>its not about a specific machine, but i am just wondering if it would be doable to make a tool like tripwire that gets most of the stuff out of apt
11:39<petn-randall>hark: If it's about corruption, you can use debsums to verify the data consistency.
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11:42<hark>petn-randall: debsums uses /var/lib/dpkg for the checksums, i am wondering if there is a other source of the checksums (other then downloading and unpacking all the packages)
11:42<hark>https://packages.debian.org/stretch/amd64/bash/filelist < this for ex has a list of files
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11:44<petn-randall>hark: I don't think there is such thing, but I can't say 100% sure. At least apt only verifies the checksum of the .deb, not directly the contents.
11:44<petn-randall>hark: You /could/ probably unpack all those files on another machine to get those.
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11:46<chomwitt>petn-randall: thanks. the deb from the virtbox site worked ok.
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12:41<skel_>hello i have a server with nextcloud on it , i want to setup a second server as backup and rescue server if the first server HD crash , any clue how i can manage this ?
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12:45<Nemoder>I use rsnapshot for backups
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12:46<retrospectacus>rsnapshot
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12:48<skel_>thanks i will look at rsnapshot
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12:55<tt>also check out duplicity and maybe borg backup
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12:57<Speed2u>what is your opinion for replacing a hyper-v machine to run 2 windows hosts and 3 linux hosts, proxmox or xenserver? i need the possibility to passthrough ntfs-disks (dedicate to one of the windows vm's) without the need of reformatting it. I dont have much experience with linuxbased virtualization
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13:04<tda1>I haven't heard much of proxmox. the free tools for xenserver are pretty poor, and I don't know about the paid versions. what problem are you trying to fix by migrating? the passthrough of that ntfs disk?
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13:06<petn-randall>!proxmox
13:06<dpkg>Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <LXC> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial ##proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see http://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Get_support
13:06<petn-randall>tda1: ^^^
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13:14<jedix>hey, Anyone know why gdb crashes in layout asm in libc functions with "terminate called after throwing an instance of 'gdb_exception_RETURN_MASK_ERROR'" ?
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13:39<Speed2u>tda1: No i'm not sure of any problems yet :p thats the problem i guess. I just want a linux-alternative for hyper-v that can passthrough ntfs-formatted ntfs-drives for windows vm's
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13:42<tt>Speed2u: you should be able to do that with any virtualization solution
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14:09<tda1>personally, i won't bother with passing through disks. it somewhat defeats the purpose of vitualizing, like have making the vm more difficult to backup or move, I believe snapshots have more limitations if they even work at all. need direct access to disks? probably shouldn't virtualize that.
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14:11<jelly>might be useful as a migration step going P2V
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14:12<tda1>I can't think how, and i've never read anything on migration suggesting that. explain?
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14:23<ryouma>what is the number of partitions i need on a gpt-formatted device to boot on an old bios box? or should i use mbr?
14:24<ryouma>for my use i want boot root home, but idk if i need to cerate anotehr paritiotn or if it matters what offsets are used
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14:28<jhutchins_wk>ryouma: One.
14:29<ryouma>jhutchins_wk: one in addition? or just boot partition? i also want to boot on a uefi machine if possible.
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14:31<jhutchins_wk>ryouma: You only need one partition to be able to boot, but you might need an EFI partition on newer hardware for a total of two.
14:31<blast007>ryouma: you'd need a BIOS boot partition, and then at least one filesystem partition (and possibly one swap partition, if you want)
14:31<jhutchins_wk>blast007: On a BIOS system you do not need a separate boot partition, just the OS partition.
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14:32<blast007>you do for GPT
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14:32<blast007>and I'm not talking about a /boot partition. a BIOS boot partition.
14:33<somiaj>but you don't have to use GPT and could use MBR
14:33<somiaj>(Though yes, with GPT you would need a MBR boot partition for legacy boot)
14:33<jhutchins_wk>blast007: That's not for GPT, that's for EFI.
14:33<jhutchins_wk>GPT doesn't require EFI.
14:34<somiaj>jhutchins_wk: GPT does require an MBR boot partition to boot in legacy mode
14:34<somiaj>since GPT has no MBR portion of the partition table ot put the boot loader, you need a seperate partition to put the boot loader on
14:34<blast007>jhutchins_wk: you're thinking of an EFI System Partition. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BIOS_boot_partition
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14:36<blast007>(and for disks larger than ~2TB, you need to use GPT)
14:37<ryouma>is mbr boot partition for legacy boot the same thing as a bios boot partition? if so, then what i need is bbp, boot, root in order to boot? is bbp small?
14:37<jhutchins_wk>Ok, thanks, things may have changed since I last worked with GPT, or I may not have remembered the details.
14:38<ryouma>i want to make this device so i can use it on my bios machine and possibly also ona more modern machine if possible, while keeping the partitions as tiny as possilbe so i can have more space for data.
14:38<somiaj>ryouma: I think BIOS partition is the offical name, I just think of it has the MBR partition (it does what the old MBR part of the partition table did)
14:39<ryouma>ok
14:39<somiaj>jhutchins_wk: usually one usese GPT with EFI and MBR with legacy/BIOS boot, but one can boot legacy with GPT, but one cannot boot efi with MBR
14:39<ryouma>so it can be 512b then?
14:39<somiaj>ryouma: I'm unsure what the size needs to be, I have never actually botted legacy on a GPT partition.
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14:40<blast007>ryouma: mine is 1MB
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14:42<petn-randall>tda1: You just create a VM and pass those disks through when migrating a physical server to virtual one. That's what jelly was hinting at.
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14:42<blast007>ryouma: And I *think* the BIOS boot partition just has to be within the first 2TB. Mine comes after the first ~1GB partition on my system, which is a RAID partition that contains my /boot.
14:43<petn-randall>somiaj: Are you sure you can't boot efi with MSDOS partition table? Because I think you can.
14:44<somiaj>petn-randall: ARe you thinking about having the efi partition on a seperate disk?
14:45<somiaj>petn-randall: you need an EFI partition which has to be in a GPT partition table form my understanding. But yes I think if you had a second GPT disk with an EFI partition it would work.
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14:45<somiaj>petn-randall: at least this is my understanding, I could be mistaken.
14:46<ryouma>can i expect it to boot from the hub on my monitor?
14:46<petn-randall>somiaj: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EFI_system_partition
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14:46<ryouma>(with any of mbr gpt bios efi)
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14:47<petn-randall>somiaj: Seems as though it works with MBR, heh :)
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14:49<somiaj>petn-randall: ahh thanks. I didn't realize you could put an EFI partition on an MBR table. When I switched my machines to EFI, I must have overlooked this, because everythign I found told me to change to GPT (which was an extra pain, but glad I did it)
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14:50<petn-randall>somiaj: Well, just because you can doesn't mean you should ... I think EFI and GPT is a sensible combo.
14:50<ryouma>i was not able to boot from my monitor, so i am not sure if i did smoethign wrong or if it does not work
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14:50<ryouma>is gpt and bios?
14:50<blast007>I swiched my NAS from UEFI to legacy BIOS because I'm using software RAID and the EFI system partition became a pain point
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14:51<petn-randall>blast007: I know what you mean ...
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14:56<jhutchins_wk>I Don't know how much to trust W10 tools, but this system doesn't have a boot partition. Recovery, EFI, System.
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14:59<somiaj>jhutchins_wk: if bootin in EFI you do not need a legacy BIOS partition.
14:59<somiaj>that partition is only needed to do legacy boot on a GPT partition table
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15:02<ryouma>hmm, so i just run cgdisk and create 900k bios partion (starting at zero), 1gb boot partition (after that) and rest root, then make boot partition bootable flag in cgdisk if such a thing exists for gpt? and that will boot on bios? then i need to populate the bios partition. not sure what to do for that. and not sure if it will boot from monitor.
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15:04<blast007>ryouma: I don't think you make the BIOS boot partition bootable. Does GPT even have a "bootable" flag?
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15:04<ryouma>dunno
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15:06<blast007>ryouma: and mine is specifically 1MB (2048 sectors on my drive, 4096 bytes physical sectors on this drive)
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15:24<grawity>GPT does have such a flag, but grub doesn't use it (syslinux does)
15:25<grawity>grub looks for the "BIOS boot" partition type instead
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15:25<minikdo>Hi, I'm on 9.2. Pulseaudio 10.0-1+deb9u1. Thinkpad X-1 rev.3 I can't make my internal mic work.
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15:26<somiaj>grawity: Isn't it once grub has booted (either from the EFI partition or the BIOS partition) it just boots things directly? To me saying it looks for the BIOS boot partition instead seems weird.
15:26<grawity>somiaj: there are several parts of grub
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15:27<grawity>somiaj: so that partition is where grub itself boots from
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15:27<somiaj>grawity: ahh yea, I guess I forgot about the different stages of a boot loader. I was thinking it was the firmware that then booted grub from either EFI or BIOS partition.
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15:27<grawity>with EFI, yes, the firmware does it
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15:28<grawity>on BIOS it's up to the bootloader (and for example syslinux does it differently, going straight to /boot)
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15:29<somiaj>minikdo: what have you tried?
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15:29<grawity>so with grub the MBR bootsector (boot.img) knows how to find that "BIOS boot" partition; the BIOS-boot partition (diskboot.img + core.img) knows how to find the real /boot/grub with all your modules; and those modules finally know how to find your kernel
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15:30<minikdo>pavucontrol, alsamixer
15:30<minikdo>arecord
15:30<somiaj>grawity: thanks. I forgot about the various stages of the boot loader in legacy mode. have gotten to use to EFI
15:31<minikdo>it used to work some time ago, I've even got a new mic now
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15:31<somiaj>minikdo: well alsamixer or arecord may not work with pulse. What have you tried with pavucontrol?
15:31<minikdo>somiaj: yes, I did
15:31<minikdo>only noise
15:32<ryouma>grawity: and this is the same with mbr except there is no bbp and it looks in mbr instead?
15:32<grawity>it looks in the empty space right after the mbr
15:32<ryouma>empty?
15:32<somiaj>ryouma: basically, the bios partition is a way to emulate the mbr record of the mbr partition table (in my limted understanding)
15:32<grawity>yes
15:32<grawity>the MBR is one sector
15:33<grawity>the 1st partition almost always starts at sector 63 on older systems, 1024 or 2048 on newer
15:33<grawity>so there's plenty of space to stick parts of bootloader in there
15:33<somiaj>I vagually recall back in the day having to use LILO beacuse of the very limited amount of space on the boot record.
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15:34<grawity>ryouma: and on GPT disks, that space is no longer empty, because that's where the GPT lives
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15:35<grawity>so grub is forced to get its shit together and allocate a proper partition
15:36<somiaj>minikdo: I can't think of much else that could help. I have found that mics just work for me these days (unless the hardware is bad) and all I have ever had to do was use the mixer to turn the volume up and/or unmute it.
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15:37<minikdo>somiaj: exactly, I though the same
15:38<minikdo>*t
15:38<grove>Anyone with python knowledge who can tell me what the output from dvdvideo-backup-image (from python3-dvdvideo package) on https://paste.debian.net/999561/ means? With some difference in the object(?) numbers, I get that for every dvd since some time last night, when I just guessed it was a broken dvd
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15:39<somiaj>minikdo: I personally use usb headsets these days for mics, do you have one floating around you could try, this way you can at least narrow the problem down to either bad internal mic or something about the internal sound card.
15:39<somiaj>minikdo: also does your internal sound card use snd_intel_hda?
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15:40<minikdo>somiaj: headset works fine
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15:41<minikdo>snd_hda_intel
15:41<somiaj>minikdo: for the internal sound card, I would look into the codec or other models for the codec for the snd_intel_hda card. There are lots of small variantes on this that affect how thigns like the mic port or mic might work.
15:41<somiaj>minikdo: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto -- this kinda contains the info, but you should be able to figure out the different models avaiable for your codec, and sometimes changing the model that is used by the driver can help get things to work better.
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15:42<somiaj>the snd_hda_intel covers a wide range of hardware, and defaults may not always be correctly detected.
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15:42<minikdo>somiaj: thanks, I'll look into that
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16:06<itd>grove: (Guessing involved.) The locations on the disk where those IFO VMG / IFO VTS tables(?) are stored overlap. At least that is what the tool read and decided to disbelieve.
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16:08<itd>Is there a tool similar to sbuild that uses lxc container instead of chroots?
16:15<somiaj>itd: I haven't seen such a tool (doens't mean it isn't out there). Any reason you would want to use a container over just a chroot?
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16:16<somiaj>hmm, there is a QEMU builder, which does this with VM's, I'm not seeing anything for lxc containers though.
16:17<lids>hey community! o/
16:17<somiaj>ahh, that is so you can build with forign arches, not nesicarally an alternative for chroots though.
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16:18<jhutchins_wk>I know there's something for docker, I'm pretty sure there's one for LXCas well.
16:18<somiaj>itd: I also see whalebuilder in sid, which is for docker. But not finding anything for lxc
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16:18<somiaj>though for building I don't really see why a full lxc container would be needed over a chroot
16:18<itd>somiaj: Well, my reason is: I can have nested unpriv. lxc container but cannot use debootstrap inside an unpriv. lxc container. (Please proof me wrong. :)) https://lists.linuxcontainers.org/pipermail/lxc-users/2015-July/009642.html
16:19<somiaj>I'm just looking at https://wiki.debian.org/SystemBuildTools, which has no lx container tools for building packages, but lists the ones I mentioned
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16:19<itd>(Playing around with mini-buildd inside such a container and am stuck since I cannot setup a chroot.)
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16:20<somiaj>itd: Are you trying to find a build enviorment you can use that doens't require escilated privlages?
16:20<Guest489>Hi, I'm trying to create a package but shlibs says: dpkg-shlibdeps: error: cannot find library libfmodex64-4.44.07.so
16:20<Guest489>However that library is already in my package, how can I tell to shlibs to ignore it?
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16:20<itd>somiaj: I'm having fun. ;) Maybe, yes. Please tell me more. :)
16:20<somiaj>itd: but I'm not seeing any tool for lxc containers out there, but most of the ones I'm seeing are just wrappers. You might beable to create a wrapper with lxc-create and pbuilder to achive this.
16:21<jhutchins_wk>So I take it that with EFI, the information that would be in the legacy boot partition is in the EFI partition?
16:21<itd>Guest891: Packaging for Debian?
16:21<somiaj>itd: I don't know of any way to build in a clean enviorment without esiclated privlages, but I just use chroots myself, and in the build enviorment root privlages will be needed to install the build depends (I belive)
16:21<itd>Sorry, Someonz - for Debian?
16:22<Someonz>itd, Yes
16:22<somiaj>jhutchins_wk: and the info is written in a far different standard them legacy, but yes, that is basically it, GTP now has a partition to put the boot info on, instead of putting it in the blank space at the start of the disk.
16:22<somiaj>I mena GPT
16:22<itd>Someonz: If you want to package for / upload to Debian ask in #debian-mentors (otherwise in #packaging).
16:22<grawity>you mean UEFI
16:22<grawity>>_>
16:23<itd>somiaj: Thanks. :)
16:23<Someonz>itd, already asked on #packaging, no one respond
16:23<Someonz>"I keep screaming but god doesn't answer"
16:23<itd>Someonz: Then wait and ask again after 6-12h.
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18:26<jhutchins>lids: Sounds pretty useless to me. You might get three users.
18:28<lids>jhutchins: :D
18:29<tt>lids: on freenode there's a procedure, but the fact that debian project owns the #debian-* namespace may be a problem. on OFTC, I dunno.
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18:32<lids>tt: unfortunately yes
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18:37<somiaj>lids: you could ask in #oftc, note #debian-i3 maybe more for i3 develiopment in debian and not i3 user support, which may have another channel on freenode.
18:38<somiaj>lids: so what would your goal for such a channel be?
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18:40<lids>Ι use i3 on vintage machines and when I'm searching for support couldn't find any. So now I like to contribute help if needed. But you're right. It's useless!
18:41<somiaj>lids: In this case it sounds more like i3 support and many window managers will have some (limited) support that spans oses.
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18:42<somiaj>I would look for a general i3 support channel. If there is none, you could create one, but I woudln't call it #debian-i3, I would make it more general i3 support
18:42<somiaj>Oh look, i3 already has an irc support channel on freenode. https://i3wm.org/contact/
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18:45<lids>nice! so can we drop-down #debian-i3? I'm the only connected user for months :P
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18:56<somiaj>lids: It could be the room was made for more debian packinging issues with i3 vs i3 itself. I don't know who made the channel, but I would just leave it alone. Just /part the channel and leave it empty (maybe the owner of it has some reason for wanting to keep it)
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18:56<somiaj>but at this point, I would just use the channel on freenode if you are wanting i3 support.
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18:57<lids>ok so you're right! thx for your help guys..
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22:00*kraai finds /etc/mailcap.order
22:01<somiaj>kraai: this kinda depends on what is opening the pdfs
22:01<somiaj>is this form a file manager? From a web browser?
22:01<somiaj>you could use xdg-mime to set defaults for the .pdf mime type, many things will honor that, but not all
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22:03<kraai>somiaj: I'm using Mutt and its view-mailcap command.
22:04<somiaj>unsure about mutt, but seems you have found some stuff.
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22:21<kraai>somiaj: Yes, adding "evince:application/pdf" to /etc/mailcap.order and running /usr/sbin/update-mime fixed it.
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23:00<b17>MANWIDTH=80 man nm-settings, it's still hard to read, how do I get this crazy table to look right?
23:06<b17>srry, shrunk the font down, 127x35
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