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00:11<mnuhmnuh>somiaj: agree those are cool, but they're kind of exotic, esp. wrt elof_... that should be buried down at bottom (?), not where newbs are looking for "make it so."
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01:27<elof_>I have installed Debian by using usb drive
01:36<elof_>I have installed Debian by using usb drive 8G.
01:36<elof_>swap is 8G
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01:52<elof_>I want to use fdisk to format my usb, but commad not found
01:54<hendrikL>apt install fdisk?
01:55<elof_>I installed gparted at the end
01:55<elof_>because apt cannot locate the package.
01:56<tt>you may want to stick to gparted and parted anyway
01:57<elof_>I successfully installed Debian by that usb, but I want to format it
01:58<elof_>I probably screwed up, the system said "cannot mount file"
01:58<tt>you can unmount it, and run e.g. mkfs.ntfs on the device directly (e.g. /dev/sda was it?)
01:59<elof_>tt: it is dev/sdb
01:59*themill wonders in which version the typo is
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02:01<tt>elof_: I think you should use parted or gparted to delete all of the partitions from it; then you can do: sudo mkfs.ntfs -Q -L "Volume Name Here" /dev/sdb
02:02<tt>or you can use gparted to do the same thing, or whatever you like
02:02<elof_>I am using root in terminal
02:03<tt>you can infer what is meant though, right?
02:03<elof_>My volume name ?
02:03<tt>it is whatever you choose
02:04<tt>can be changed later
02:04<elof_>is it optional?
02:04<tt>I do not know.
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02:06<elof_>bash: mkfs.ntfs: command not found
02:07<elof_>tt:
02:13<tt>1) try giving the full path, /sbin/mkfs.ntfs 2) it is from the ntfs-3g package.
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02:18<awal1>tt, why ntfs?
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02:22<ach>you can just use diskmanager it's mostly installed with desktop debian
02:23<awal1>formatting as fat (32) (mkfs.vfat) may be more suitable for compatibility concerns...
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02:31<awal1>elof_, to do what tt suggests you, you need the package called 'ntfs-3g'
02:33<tt>whatever you like; yeah vfat is better, but only good for volumes up to a certain size
02:33<tt>people usually want windows interoperability for thumbdrives, so that means either fat32 or ntfs
02:35<tt>actually I guess fat32 is good up to 2TiB; thought it was lower
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02:42<elof_>/dev/sdb is entire device, not just one partition.
02:42<elof_>Refusing to make a filesystem here!
02:42<elof_>tt:
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02:45<elof_>still, same problem as I haven't run the command
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02:48<elof_>awal1: What should I do
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02:49<elof_>the gparted is unable to detect
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02:51<awal1>elof_, I don't played enough with file system stuff; I can't be much of help right now, sorry
02:52<awal1>you may be experiencing a problem related with permission(s) in this case
02:53<elof_>tt:
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02:55<awal1>dpkg: tell elof_ about ask
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02:55<elof_>!ask
02:55<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
02:56<elof_>My usb drive is unable to mount
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02:59<sacioz>Good day all
03:00<sacioz>please mind me not just stickybeaking a bet
03:01<sacioz>Goobye all ...thank you.
03:01<sacioz>exit
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03:53<elof_>The usb drive is able to be mounted on Windows, but fail to mount on Debian
03:53<elof_>why?
03:54<awal1>format it on windows
03:54<elof_>awal1: yes, I formatted on windows 10
03:54<elof_>and it successfully mount on Windows 10
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03:55<awal1>I never have mount problems with Kingston usb drives ,even if sharing with other OS's, like windows
03:55<awal1>sharing them at work, school ...
03:56<elof_>awal1: mine is SanDisk
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03:56<awal1>i had problems with others, not sure about marks
03:56<elof_>arrrrgh
03:58<elof_>*Can't mount file*
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03:59<elof_>Is fdisk a built-in tool?
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04:07<tt>08:58 < elof_> *Can't mount file*
04:08<tt>You need to give exact error messages, and clearer description of what you're trying to do.
04:08<tt>Do you have auto-mounting, or are you issuing mount command manually?
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04:09<elof_>tt: my problem is it cannot mount automatically or manually
04:10<elof_>Unable to mount location Can't mount file
04:10<elof_>tt: https://pastebin.com/e5Akbz7y
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04:12<elof_>some people use ntfsfix /dev/sdX but it is no use
04:14<elof_>I don't have spare usb drive, so I made it as Debian Stretch installation media.
04:15<elof_>This usb drive is 32GB....can't be wasted
04:16<tt>when you mount manually, if device is not listed in /etc/fstab, you must specify the mount point
04:16<tt>e.g., mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt
04:17<elof_>mnt is the correct command?
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04:17<tt>mount is the command
04:17<tt>/mnt is an empty directory provided as the "temporary mount point"
04:18<tt>if you run the mount command without arguments, it will show currently active mounts
04:19<elof_>I ran the command
04:19<elof_>nothing happens
04:19<tt>now your empty usb drive should be available under /mnt
04:19<tt>as shown by `mount` and `df -h`
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04:21<tt>lsblk shows mountpoints too
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04:21<elof_>https://pastebin.com/QQGjdsup
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04:22<tt>as it says, it's likely already mounted
04:23<awal1>also cat /proc/partitions
04:24<tt>did you just run the mount command, which completed successfully (no output), then you tried to run it again?
04:24<elof_>tt: it shows /mnt when I run lsblk
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04:25<tt>yes, you mounted /dev/sdb1 on /mnt
04:26<nauticalnexus>lol
04:26<elof_>tt: ye, it has no output, so I tried to run it again.
04:26<tt>if you try `df -h` you should see like 30+G free on /mnt
04:26<tt>!docs
04:26<dpkg>Before asking, please read the documentation. Documentation isn't always easy to read, but that doesn't excuse you from (a) trying and (b) sending patches to improve the docs. If you don't do this, expect to be told to RTFM by impatient volunteers. Dick Brandon said that "Documentation is like sex: When it is good, it is very, very, good. And when it is bad, it is better than nothing." Ask me about <finding docs>, <manuals>.
04:26<tt>!manuals
04:26<dpkg>If you are looking for manuals, guides and procedures focusing on Debian - from a user perspective, the administrator's view and others - see http://www.debian.org/doc/ . Also ask me about <reference> and <grounding>.
04:27<elof_>https://pastebin.com/1gXTa30v
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04:30<elof_>tt: I ran the command, it shows the result. https://pastebin.com/1gXTa30v
04:30<tt>yes, it worked, everything is fine.
04:31<elof_>I can use the usb drive?
04:31<elof_>but the DE does not work
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05:11<elof_>I reboot my debian, and re-insert my usb drive, it works
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05:12<elof_>how to show my pc specs
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09:57<fin>Hi, I did a system update on my xen debian setup. After upgrading the kernel of dom0, my guest domain and adjusting the xen config for the guest, the guest domain was not able to start docker as the overlayfs kernel module was not available for the new kernel. I looked into /lib/modules/4.9.0-4-amd64 and couldn't find a kernel folder containing the modules. /lib/modules/4.9.0-3-amd64 contains a kernel folder with an overlayf
09:57<fin>s driver. How do I get the kernel modules for 4.9.0-4?
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10:01<ach>i have not such great notice of such thing but use modprobe to load the modules or create symlinks from -3 to -4 and restart
10:03<ach>maybe apt-get install --reinstall
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10:03<fin>modprobe will not work as the module is physically not available (checked it with ls in /lib/modules/4.9.0-4-amd64/kernel/fs/overlayfs/overlay.ko). Using symlinks to the old kernel modules seems like a hack :( What is the debian package that includes the kernel modules?
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10:06<ach>synaptic packet insist search ***.ko
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10:10<fin>hmm I don't have synaptic but I did `dpkg -S /lib/modules/4.9.0-3-amd64/kernel/fs/overlayfs/overlay.ko` which gave me `dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /lib/modules/4.9.0-3-amd64/kernel/fs/overlayfs/overlay.ko`
10:13<ach>aptitude xen ko
10:13<ach>search*
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10:14<ach>apt-get upgrade ?
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10:16<ach>apt-get update apt-get upgrade
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10:41<spacebug[m]>I'm trying to restrict what a ssh key can do. I have found the "command" option to authorized_keys. I want the key to only be able to use sshfs and I think I have found out that part. But I also want to restrict what filepath can be used but don't know how. ?
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10:48<gregoire_>Bonjour
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10:49<gregoire_>Comment installer Debian depuis le live démarré ? je ne vois aucune icone...
10:49<bremner>!fr
10:49<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
10:50<gregoire_>@dpkg désolé
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10:50<bremner>If I understand the question, I would suggest using the normal installer to install, rather than the live disk
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11:19<gregoire_>i booted with debian-live-9.2.0-i386-xfce.iso i m on the desktop and i can't find an icon to is
11:20<gregoire_>install debian on the drive, how i do it ?
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11:21<Airwave_>I just updated to Debian 8.10, and now I get a kernel panic on boot
11:21<Airwave_>"Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!"
11:23<bremner>gregoire_: as I said before, I suggest using a regular installer image, ideally netinstall if you have a reasonable connection.
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11:32<owen>hello
11:32<owen>uuu
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11:33<owen>hello?
11:33<anonyme22>owen: hello oven
11:34<owen>would you know how to rout this app through tor?
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11:36<owen>does anyone know how to route this app through tor?
11:36<Airwave_>I can't get this computer to boot since I updated to 8.10. Kernel panic every time.
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11:38<gregoire_>bremner: thanks i try it but, normaly it support this way to install bizar
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11:39<anonyme22>owen: use i2p xD
11:39<owen>why?
11:39<owen>i like using both
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11:41<owen>nvm i got i
11:41<owen>nvm i got it
11:42<owen>thank you
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11:44<iobound>Hello, I upgraded from debian 8.9 to 8.10 on a Dell PowerEdge R430, and the new kernel just kernel-panic immediately on bootup. Anyone else seeing this?
11:45<iobound>I got it working by booting a debian 8.9 netinst rescue cd and downgrade the kernel from 3.16.51 to 3.16.43 deb8u5
11:45<bremner>yes, someone called Airwave_ also experienced this
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11:46<iobound>I just have a terrible java app KVM console access so I can't scrollback the panic, but it mentions "general protection fault: 0000 [#1] SMP" and then a stack trace ending in sched_init_smp
11:46<Airwave_>iobound: Sounds exactly what I'm experiencing
11:47<iobound>interesting!
11:47<Airwave_>I'm still trying to fix it. Guess I'd try fixing it by downgrading the kernel.
11:47<iobound>Never had a problem updating stable kernels before, but 3.16.51 looks suspect
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11:47<iobound>I booted a rescue cd which let me into a shell in the target system, and I ran something like "cd /var/cache/apt/archives" and then "dpkg -i *3.16.43*deb8u5*" and rebooted.
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11:48<Airwave_>iobound: Thanks for the tip. I'll try the same.
11:48<iobound>apparently grub did not have any entries for the previous kernels, just for the 3.16.51 (aka 3.16.0-4) so that was nerve-wrecking
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11:49<iobound>is there someone here on irc that I should talk to to tip off about the problem, or do I have to deal with reportbug :P
11:50<bremner>there are no dev's in IRC waiting to use reportbug for you
11:50<bremner>there's probably no kernel devs here at all.
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11:50<iobound>no overlap between the debian kernel team and irc? :)
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11:52<Airwave_>iobound: My server is an HP ProLiant DL380 G7 by the way, so not the same as you.
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11:53<iobound>oh weird
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11:53<Airwave_>And I also have a Supermicro server in a remote location that's not booting after updating. I can't see its console, so I have no idea if it's the same.
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11:55<iobound>i have three virtualbox VMs on the same machine, and the VMs run the 8.10 (3.16.51) kernel fine, it's just the main bare-metal machine that can't deal with that kernel.
11:56<Airwave_>Yeah, I have a lot of VMs on this server, so I'm curious to see if they'll boot.
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11:57<Airwave_>Okay, rebooting after downgrading to 3.16.43 deb8u5.
11:57<Airwave_>We'll see how this ends up.
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11:58<Airwave_>Always a huge mistake to reboot a server in a remote location that I don't have console access to.
11:58<Walex>it is very unusual indeed. Soemtimes upgrading to a backported kernel is also a good alternative
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11:59<iobound>i've been so well treated with debian stable and oldstable that having a regression almost didn't cross my mind
11:59<Walex>Airwave_: IPMI is a great thing...
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11:59<Walex>Airwave_: you can also buy little IP KVMs which are quite cheap.
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12:00<Airwave_>Walex: I thought most IPMI implementations were horribly insecure.
12:00<Airwave_>And proprietary
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12:00<Walex>Airwave_: well, they always rely on a binary blob of firmware
12:00<Airwave_>Yeah
12:00<grawity>proprietary yes, insecure maybe less so
12:01<grawity>e.g. the "null cipher" thing doesn't seem to affect recent ones
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12:01<Walex>Airwave_: but they are life-saving :-)
12:02<grawity>even less so if you enforce IPMI v2.0 with a shared AES key, afaik
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12:02<Walex>Airwave_: as usual with random chinesy things the key is to buy a handful of different models and check them out.
12:03<Walex>Airwave_: also, always use OTP dual factor for remote password based logins.
12:04<iobound>Airwave_: did the downgrade+reboot work out?
12:04<Airwave_>iobound: It's currently rebooting. Physical servers are so damn slow to boot.
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12:04<iobound>oh yeah i'm familiar with that :P
12:04<Airwave_>Walex: As much as I hate no remote management, I'd rather live this way than with the proprietary backdoor.
12:05<Walex>Airwave_: that's not a #Debian discussion, but *everything* has got backdoors...
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12:09<Airwave_>Walex: I suppose the philosophy, security, morality, etc. of free software vs. proprietary software can be discussed endlessly.
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12:10<bremner>and #debian-offtopic welcomes such discussions ;)
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12:10<Airwave_>iobound: It came back up after downgrading the kernel
12:10<Airwave_>Thanks for the tip. Saved me a lot of pain.
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12:12<iobound>hooray
12:12<Airwave_>And all the VMs appear to be booting just fine with the updated kernel
12:12<Walex>Airwave_: No, it is not about free vs. proprietary, it is simply that for spy agencies and large crime gangs it is very very easy to bribe/blackmail developers into inserting backdoors disguised as bugs into both hw and sw. The Debian angle on that is a large community of debianites reduces the useful life of those "bugs".
12:13<Airwave_>Walex: Linus's law makes hiding backdoors in free software a very different proposition.
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12:15<Airwave>Yay, now I'm back on my server.
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12:17<Airwave>iobound: Thanks a lot for the help. Are you gonna file a bug?
12:17<iobound>yep working on typing up details from a screenshot of the panic :)
12:17<Airwave>Nice
12:18<Airwave>Meanwhile I'll be calling my brother and asking him to do me the huge favor of being my remote hands so I can fix the other non-booting system.
12:19<iobound>:)
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12:20<Airwave>https://www.nexlab.net/product/rasky/ looks interesting. Maybe I'll buy that.
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12:26<iobound>submitted a reportbug, i guess it takes a little while to show up on bugs.debian.org
12:26<Airwave>iobound: Nice!
12:26<bremner>iobound: yeah, up to an hour sometimes if things are overloaded
12:26<bremner>iobound: you should get an acknowledgement mail back
12:27<Airwave>I must say this bug is very surprising. I've never had any issues updating kernels on (old)stable.
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12:31<iobound>filed https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=883938
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12:33<Airwave>iobound: Great, thanks for filing the bug
12:33<iobound>hope it's ok i mentioned your hardware types too, maybe it's helpful for raising the severity :)
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12:35<Airwave>Of course
12:35<leventel[m]>hi! gnome-control-center crashed with segfault when I tried to add a new input language, it's a fresh debian9 install
12:35<leventel[m]>I'm trying to workaround this with gsettings
12:35<leventel[m]>can someone with more than 1 show me an output of `gsettings get org.gnome.desktop.input-sources sources`
12:36<leventel[m]>because I don't know the syntax to set an array value
12:37<grawity>an array would be "[item1, item2, item3]" (including the shell quotes)
12:37<petervbeck>leventel[m]: [('xkb', 'ch'), ('xkb', 'us')]
12:38<leventel[m]>petervbeck: thank you
12:38<leventel[m]>grawity: not so simple :)
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13:31<aaron_>!help
13:32<aaron_>!X
13:32<aaron_>!apt
13:32<dpkg>Advanced Packaging Tool (APT) is a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, notably apt-get, apt-cache, and aptitude and, from Debian 8 "Jessie" onwards, apt. See also <aptitude> <apt-get>, <apt-cache>, <apt myths>.
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13:39<ryouma>on jessie, needrestart asks what services i want to restart. but on a dumb terminal, it does not give me anything to go on. is this a bug?
13:40<ryouma>also, checkrestart flags a lot more processes. for example, it flags fluxbox and emacs and firefox upon upgrade of xcursor. is checkrestart therefore more correct, or did xcursor not really affect those programs?
13:40<grawity>maybe needrestart only checks services
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13:41<ryouma>so it is good for remote exploits while checkrestart is good for privilege escalation?
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13:50<mnuhmnuh>grawity: no, if kernel needs reboot, it'll warn/suggest it.
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14:10<superkaos>hi, anyone knows what is magically starting exim4 when I run the cli command mail? This is an old wheezy distro. I stop the daemon, then run mail and somehow exim4 starts and tries to send email.
14:11<FlyingPenguin>exim is mail server
14:11<superkaos>It interferes with my attempt to debug mail delivery
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14:12<superkaos>Yes, but why would it start by itself If I have stopped the daemon, I am trying to run it with -d option to see debug traces, but somehow another "instance" is handling the mail
14:12<FlyingPenguin>that's a good point
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14:14<FlyingPenguin>can you do a ps -faux
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14:15<FlyingPenguin>and grep on exim
14:15<somiaj>in systemd, sockets will cause services to run, I'm nost sure what would be happening in wheezy though.
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14:16<superkaos>ps faux | egrep exim, gives nothing
14:16<superkaos>but If I type: mail somebody
14:16<superkaos>then write mail and type Ctrl^D
14:16<superkaos>exim gets started!
14:17<FlyingPenguin>of course
14:17<superkaos>exactly, no systemd here
14:17<superkaos>but I run an exim by hand somewhere else, with -d option, and it doesn't handle the mail
14:18<superkaos>so the daemon is only used to handle incoming connections? outgoing mail is handled differently by a new process?
14:18<somiaj>superkaos: how do you have exim configured? dpkg-reconfigure exim (this may have an affect). There are also things like inetd which will launch applications when certian sockets get used.
14:19<superkaos>mmm, I will check inetd
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14:19<somiaj>yea, check /etc/inetd.conf, it appears that you can configure exim this way.
14:21<superkaos>no, there is nothing related to exim in inetd.conf
14:21<superkaos>plus inetd is turned off
14:21<somiaj>xinted?
14:22<superkaos>nop
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14:22<somiaj>you could see what netstat says about services that are running on port 25
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14:24<somiaj>it could also be something mail is doing, I'm unsure on this.
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14:25<superkaos>yeah, nothing listening on port 25
14:25<superkaos>it seems mail is doing it
14:26<superkaos>thanks anyway guys, I will try to figure out, I am curious now
14:29<FlyingPenguin>i did a dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config
14:29<FlyingPenguin>and i got an intersting message
14:30<FlyingPenguin>it's says :
14:31<FlyingPenguin>"if the host doesn't have permanent connection to a DNS server, etc ... it can trigger unexpected consequences
14:32<FlyingPenguin>... for example the unexpected start of exim ..."
14:32<FlyingPenguin>what do you think ?
14:32<DavePage>superkaos: /usr/bin/mail is a symlink to exim itself. If you want to test your daemon, you need a mail command which tries to send via SMTP using localhost:25 or similar
14:33<grawity>that is unusual, are you maybe confusing it with /usr/sbin/sendmail
14:33<DavePage>grawity: Possibly, you may wish to discount that :)
14:33<DavePage>You can check with readlink though :)
14:34<superkaos>I just found out that "mail -v" does exactly what I wanted
14:34<superkaos>show the smtp conversation
14:34<grawity>usualy sendmail is the one that's provided by exim/postfix/opensmtpd, and mail is some sort of user interface
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14:34<DavePage>grawity: Hmm, yeah, but mail will likely call sendmail, which is provided by the SMTP server.
14:34<DavePage>superkaos: If you want to test mail servers, swaks is a really really handy tool
14:34<superkaos>in my case it is probably invoking exim4
14:35<grawity>mail doesn't normally talk SMTP directly, it calls sendmail, and *that* (at least in exim) talks SMTP to the recipient's host
14:35<superkaos>thanks DavePage
14:35<grawity>and I guess it passes the -v along to sendmail
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14:35<grawity>but if you want to test SMTP *to* exim, you could a) just telnet/nc/socat to localhost:25, or b) swaks --server localhost --to some@recipient.tld
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14:36<superkaos>thanks @grawity, I want to test exim4 communicating with a smarthost to send email, it is giving some strange TLS error
14:37<grawity>this seems to be the first time you mentioned that...
14:37<superkaos>well, I was shaving the jak, first I wanted to see full output from exim :-D
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14:38<DavePage>superkaos: get swaks to talk to the smarthost first, might make it easier? )
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14:40<superkaos>#DavePage I tried with gnutls-cli
14:40<superkaos>and gave an error
14:40<superkaos>gnutls-cli -p 587 smtp-mail.outlook.com
14:40<superkaos>GnuTLS error: An unexpected TLS packet was received.
14:41<superkaos>I will try with swaks
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14:43<grawity>you are asking gnutls-cli to talk TLS on a non-TLS port
14:43<grawity>port 587 uses STARTTLS: it starts off in plain text until you send the command to switch over
14:46<superkaos>ok
14:46<superkaos>it seems swaks is getting further, it says 250-STARTTLS then proceeds with more stuff, but it fails saying: Host did not advertise authentication
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15:00<superkaos>ok, with swaks it seems to work if I add the --tls option
15:01<superkaos>no, weird error: 554 5.2.0 STOREDRV.Submission.Exception:SendAsDeniedException.MapiExceptionSendAsDenied; Failed to process message due to a permanent exception with message Cannot submit message
15:02<superkaos>fixed, wrong address
15:02<superkaos>now it works
15:02<superkaos>so, with swaks works, it doesn't work with exim :-(
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15:04<FlyingPenguin>is possible to have the command you typed please ?
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15:12<superkaos>~FlyingPenguin swaks works
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15:13<superkaos>swaks --tls --auth-user ***** --auth-password ***** --from ***** --to **** --server smtp.mail.outlook.com:587
15:13<superkaos>that works
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15:13<superkaos>but then exim4 fails with: TLS error on connection to outlook-emeasouth2.office365.com [40.101.77.98] (recv): A TLS packet with unexpected length was received.
15:14<grawity>are you sure you're telling exim4 to use STARTTLS mode, rather than regular (direct) TLS?
15:14<superkaos>well there is a SMTP>>STARTTLS in the conversation
15:15<superkaos>SMTP<< 220 VI1PR07CA0190.outlook.office365.com Microsoft ESMTP MAIL Service ready at Sat, 9 Dec 2017 20:11:15 +0000
15:15<superkaos> SMTP>> EHLO ulises
15:15<superkaos> SMTP<< 250-VI1PR07CA0190.outlook.office365.com Hello [87.218.55.127]
15:15<superkaos> 250-SIZE 157286400
15:15<superkaos> 250-PIPELINING
15:15<superkaos> 250-DSN
15:15<superkaos> 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
15:15<superkaos> 250-STARTTLS
15:15<superkaos> 250-8BITMIME
15:15<superkaos> 250-BINARYMIME
15:15<superkaos> 250-CHUNKING
15:15<superkaos> 250 SMTPUTF8
15:15<superkaos> SMTP>> STARTTLS
15:15<annadane>stop
15:15<superkaos> SMTP<< 220 2.0.0 SMTP server ready
15:15<superkaos> SMTP>> EHLO ulises
15:15<superkaos> SMTP<< 250-VI1PR07CA0190.outlook.office365.com Hello [87.218.55.127]
15:15<superkaos> 250-SIZE 157286400
15:15<superkaos> 250-PIPELINING
15:15<superkaos> 250-DSN
15:15<superkaos> 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
15:15<superkaos> 250-AUTH LOGIN XOAUTH2
15:15<annadane>>_>
15:15<superkaos> 250-8BITMIME
15:15<superkaos> 250-BINARYMIME
15:15<superkaos> 250-CHUNKING
15:15<superkaos> 250 SMTPUTF8
15:15<jhutchins>!ops superkaos flooding
15:15<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: jhutchins complains about a problem (see above)
15:15<superkaos> SMTP>> MAIL FROM:<> SIZE=2644
15:15<superkaos>RCPT TO: *******
15:15<superkaos>DATA
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15:15<annadane>superkaos, paste.debian.net
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15:16<jhutchins>Thanks Myon
15:16<annadane>jesus christ.
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15:28<FlyingPenguin>just to be sure i understand well this command :
15:28<FlyingPenguin> swaks --tls --auth-user ***** --auth-password ***** --from ***** --to **** --server smtp.mail.outlook.com:587
15:29<FlyingPenguin>is it a way to send an email using outlook smtp server ?
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15:30<FlyingPenguin>ignore my question that goes without saying
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15:37<petervbeck>I'd like to run an ircd. So far, I'm thinking about inspircd or ngircd. Any recommendations ?
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15:38<petervbeck>It's for very few users
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16:25<casawi>hello I installed nvidia on debian but lacks nvidia-config no loso what to do
16:28<casawi>you do not seem to be using the nvidia x driver please edit you xx just run nvidia-xconfig as root and restart the x server
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16:28<casawi> hello I installed nvidia on debian but lacks nvidia-config no loso what to do
16:28<casawi><casawi> you do not seem to be using the nvidia x driver please edit you xx just run nvidia-xconfig as root and restart the x server
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16:48<amacater>casewi - make sure you have contrib and non-free in your sources list and apt-get install nvidia-driver which should install all packages including nvidia-config
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16:58<noobie12>Hi everyone. I asked the following question in #debian-welcome but was instructed to ask here instead. Applogies to those who see it twice. I use Debian Testing with XFCE. I would like to install some KDE applications but since I don't have KDE stuff on my system even the most basic program seems to require a ton of dependencie. Will installing such apps slow down my system? I have a pretty low spec system and love the speed it
16:58<noobie12>achieves with XFCE and don't want to compromise that. Also, would KDE apps that share information (such as address book and e-mail client) still do so properly within XFCE?
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17:13<hackl33>brother, stick to xfce and hack the config... openbox 2
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17:27<noobie12>I don't plan to abandon XFCE by any means. I don't know what you mean by hacking the config in relation to my question thought.
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17:37<hackl33>rebuild all your programs with gcc and it doesnt matter what window manager you use its going to run fine any prog(just need to build those kde apps yourself maybe?) IE if its a kde app and your using xfce, just dl the source and compile it yourself if u can
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17:57<mmomjian>Looking for some help with Jessie update 8.10 released today, new kernel 3.16.51 causes immediate kernel panic with nvidia drivers, no rollback kernel was stored
17:57<grove>Is there an easy way to use rofi as a replacement for dmenu under i3 in stretch (I've finally upgraded). The dmenu_run script that i3 is (I don't remember having changed that so it's probably the default) to use dmenu. Their wiki says Arch has a rofi-dmenu package
17:57<mnuhmnuh>how do you tell journalctl to wrap, not truncate, output? i can't see anything useful in the manpage.
17:57<mmomjian>downgraded to 3.16.43 using a backup, but X will no longer start. Is this a known bug?
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18:00<somiaj>mmomjian: sounds like you'll need a recovery image.
18:00<somiaj>mmomjian: check the BTS for known bugs, you may have to recompile the nvidia kernel for the older kernel, you are using the nvidia dkms package for nvidia correct?
18:01<somiaj>mmomjian: also, you are using the version from jessie (not jessie-backports)?
18:01<mmomjian>I have the ability to downgrade my nvidia driver too but for now the system is running and the desktop isn't used hardly ever so I was going to keep it up
18:01<mmomjian>I just found https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=883938
18:03<mmomjian>I have installed nvidia-driver/oldstable,now 340.102-1 amd64 [installed]
18:05<somiaj>well the bug seems to suggest it is more the kernel than the kernel image.
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18:05<somiaj>did you also downgrade the headers to the older version, and then reinstall the nvidia drivers to force the dkms to recompile against the older kernel?
18:05<somiaj>I mean more the kernel than nvidia, I didn't see any mention of nvidia in the bug report.
18:06<somiaj>Note, it is a new bug, you may want to follow it and see what the result is.
18:06<mmomjian>I hadn't tried reinstalling the drivers yet, wasn't aware that would force a recompile, yes I agree it definitely seems to be a kernel issue as the new one panicked immediately on boot
18:07<mmomjian>probably a case of the driver I now have is not compatible with older 3.16.43
18:07<somiaj>Provided you downgrade the linux-headers as well, you should be able to at least get it back to where you were before the upgrade.
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18:07<mmomjian>thanks for the advice
18:07<somiaj>I would suggest using the driver from jessie in this case, and not the one from jessie-backports, just to ensure everything works.
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18:09<mmomjian>somiaj do you know how to downgrade headers when they have the same version number?
18:10<mmomjian>Not sure why they number them as 3.16.0
18:10<somiaj>just like you downgraded the linux-image, if you have the old deb in /var/cache/apt/archives you can use that, else grab it from snapshot.debian.org
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18:10<mmomjian>I downgraded the linux image from a backup
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18:11<mmomjian>the file names were identical. different MD5 sums
18:11<somiaj>mmomjian: in general these changes should only be minor and not warnt a package by a different name. It is the same package, but different versions
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18:11<somiaj>be careful what you mean. They will have the same package name, but they will have different version numbers. This is very common in debian packages, each package gets a new version number, dosen't mean it gets a new name.
18:13<mmomjian>Good point. I found the old headers in the cache. thanks
18:13<mmomjian>I was just confused becuase i am used to the kernel file in /boot changing numbers for different kernels
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18:20<somiaj>that happens with kernel major version changes so 3.16 to 3.17, etc, but not for minor changes, as these should usually not cause such issues
18:20<somiaj>it is due to abi changes, occasionally there is a change that requires it to change from 3.16.0-1 to 3.16.0-2, etc in the package name. But in a frozen system (such as jessie) this is only if there is an abi change
18:20<mmomjian>thank you
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20:24<Echo>hi
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20:35<Echo>how do you guys make money w/ hacking ?
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20:38<annadane>Echo, this isn't the right channel for that
20:38<Echo>which one is the right channel ?
20:38<annadane>try #hacking or ##hacking on freenode, whatever the name of the channel is
20:38<Echo>kay thx
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20:38<annadane>apparently both exist
20:39<annadane>or literally any other place other than #debian
20:39<Echo>xD
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20:42*mnuhmnuh ah, for the old days when just doing geeky things that mortal normals wanted done was what "hacking" meant, and it was a good thing.
20:44<xormor>mnuhmnuh, a "hacker" is a typewriter person. it became a computer programmer and operator when computers started using keyboards. then it meant clever programmers and operators (sysops, sysadmins). after that it started meaning what a "cracker" actually means.
20:45<xormor>mnuhmnuh, much like how "Perkele" changed meaning when Christianity came to Finland.
20:45<xormor>I succeeded in installing the 4.15-rc2 kernel. Info: "sudo make deb-pkg", and "cd ..", and "sudo dpkg -i *.deb"
20:47<mnuhmnuh>xormor: i once worked with a guy whose title when he started was "computer", prior to the invention of computers. he calculated stuff on seismic record hardcopies. :-)
20:48<xormor>mnuhmnuh, :) I was born in 1980.
20:48<mnuhmnuh>i prefer malicious hacking == cracking, not hacking, but try to teach the world that, not gonna happen.
20:49<somiaj>yea, the name 'hacking' has gone away, a lot of the original *nix coders called themselves hackers
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20:49<somiaj>I mean has changed.
20:50<xormor>mnuhmnuh, I do benevolent hacking on my own computer systems, programming in assembly, compiling the kernel with make in the C language, changing and compiling omega-rpg. Of course I try and use all of my changes. I am a hacker, not a cracker. I do occasionally port scan but I do not break into systems.
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20:52<xormor>somiaj, I am an x86 and amd64 asm coder, I use both Intel and AT&T syntax. I am also a configuration changer. I also change C code and compile and use the code. I put code online, too. I graduated as a BBA in Business IT from the Turku University of Applied Sciences in 2006 Spring.
20:52<mnuhmnuh>yes, and ask any newsie what hacking means? malicious hacking/cracking. we lost that battle years ago, drat.
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20:54<mnuhmnuh>xormor: cf. JAPH in the perl community. "Just Another Perl Hacker".
20:57<xormor>mnuhmnuh, http://www.definitions.net/definition/Hacker
20:57<xormor>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker
20:58<mnuhmnuh>xormor: Perkele?
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21:00<xormor>mnuhmnuh, Perkele is Percunis/Perkunas, the thunder God of the Balts, and there were some agricultural Baltic Finns on the coast of Finland worshipping him, but the Christians claimed that "Perkele" is another word for "Devil"/"Satan", or that he is the grandfather of Satan.
21:01<xormor>mnuhmnuh, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perkele
21:01<mnuhmnuh>somiaj: kinda funny when C (or is it *nix?) came into existence when K. or R. wanted to port a computer game to new hardware. sigh.
21:01<somiaj>though we should try to get back to debian support
21:02<mnuhmnuh>yup.
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21:09<evaluate1>Hello.
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21:10<evaluate1>Can I find a list somewhere of the packages that are included in the debian DVD's initrd, similar to the udeb.list from here: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/xenial-updates/main/installer-amd64/current/images/ ?
21:12<olasd>in exactly the same place: https://deb.debian.org/debian/dists/stretch/main/installer-amd64/current/images/udeb.list
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21:15<evaluate1>olasd: Thanks a lot! This specific one doesn't seem to contain the packages that are included in the "gtk" initrd (the one that contains the graphical gtk installer). Do you happen to know where I could find the udeb.list for that one?
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21:19<evaluate1>Ohh, nevermind, I just found it in https://deb.debian.org/debian/dists/stretch/main/installer-amd64/current/images/MANIFEST.udebs
21:19<evaluate1>Thanks again!
21:20<mnuhmnuh>another happy customer. :-)
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22:25<user_>hey
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22:27<amacater>!ask
22:27<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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23:42<aidalgol>Does being a member of nogroup cancel out any other group memberships?
23:43<somiaj>I don't think so. YOu could test this. Add yourself to a nogroup. logout then back in, then run groups.
23:44<somiaj>My guess is it is a group for users who you don't want to be in any other group.
23:44<aidalgol>Never mind, the weird behaviour has mysteriously stopped.
23:44<aidalgol>I only asked because that exact test was failing.
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