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---Logopened Wed Dec 13 00:00:03 2017
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00:22<MichaelPaoli>So, Debian 9.3 amd64
00:23<MichaelPaoli>... I've got desktop environment that's all upside down ... and ... turn the notepad around, and it reorients itself ... and still remains upside down.
00:24<MichaelPaoli>Also, with the desktop environment on there, I can't do Control-Alt-Delete-Fn to switch to another virtual console.
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00:25<MichaelPaoli>I think this issue may have started when going into and out of suspend or hibernate mode ... may have had different physical orientation upon resume, ... now it's upside down no matter which way the unit is oriented.
00:25<ivan>Delete isn't part of the combination, I think?
00:25<MichaelPaoli>Sorry, mistyped, I meant Control-Alt-Fn
00:27<MichaelPaoli>Sometimes if I catch it relatively early in the boot sequence, before the DE is fully up, I can use Control-Alt-Fn to switch virtual terminals, ... but once the DE is fully up, once I got to the vt of the DE, can't get back from it to any other vt.
00:27<ivan>setxkbmap -option '' might enable them
00:28<ivan>maybe your DE is messing with them
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00:33<MichaelPaoli>Yeah, ... I'm trying to turn it into a reasonably safe "mom" computer, ... Mom doesn't have the space for desktop system ... the hardware is an EXOPC ... touch screen ... but can't have the display getting stuck in upside down mode for her - so have to square that away ... and reasonable on-screen keyboard; ... all else seems to be working great! :-)
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00:45<MichaelPaoli>Hmmm, ... that turned out to be easy to fix ... but not "mom" easy to fix ... - I did SIGKILL on the PID of the Xorg process on vt7 ... it was the only process showing controlling terminal of tty7 - I first tried SIGTERM, then SIGHUP - those didn't get rid of the process, ...
00:46<MichaelPaoli>init system (systemd) then restarted Xorg on tty7 ... and, ... it came up with correct orientation, and remained correct even after DE GUI login. Hmmmmmm...
00:47<MichaelPaoli>But before that, it persisted through many reboots, etc. (months even ... though I'd not used the EXOPC for a while ... just upgraded it from 9.1 to 9.3 - and the orientation issue still persisted).
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00:51<MichaelPaoli>Debian stable supports many desktop environments - some(/many?) even include their own on-screen keyboard (or option). Any particular recommendations for a best "mom"-friendly on-screen keyboard, possibly across more than one DE (but sticking with more popular and fairly "user friendly" DEs)?
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00:59<awal1>MichaelPaoli, screen keyboard I think in 'florence' 'onboard' & 'xvkbd'
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01:01<MichaelPaoli>awal1 - Cool, thanks, I'll start with those. :-)
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01:02<awal1>MichaelPaoli, I suggest onboard. florence have always been buggy for me, and xvkbd not suitable for your 'mom' (clic and hold for settings...)
01:03<MichaelPaoli>awal1 - excellent, thanks ... I'll primarily focus on onboard, then.
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03:07<Serge-Thiry>Hi, I have an issue with Debian 9.3 w/ GNOME-1:3.22+3 and some qt softwares (clementine & virtualbox). When on my laptop screen, the menu is invisible; but on my other screen, it's behaving normally. I've gone into more details on this reddit post : https://www.reddit.com/r/gnome/comments/7j9fsx/invisible_menus_in_some_applications_clementine/. If you've got anything I could use to debug or solve, you're
03:07<Serge-Thiry>welcome. I'll be available in and out, don't hesitate to /msg me. Thanks.
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03:10<awal1>Serge-Thiry, virtualbox isn't in stretch. you got it from ?
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03:12<jm_>stretch bpo has it
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03:41<Serge-Thiry>awal1, from stretch-backports. But the issue is the same with clemetine, which is from stretch.
03:41<Serge-Thiry>Oh, he's gone.
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03:45<jm_>maybe it's somehow confused with where the click occured
03:45<jm_>the second screen points at that direction
03:49<Serge-Thiry>jm_, it's indeed possible it doesn't know where to anchor the menu, now that I think about it. In the second screen it makes it come from the top of the screen, and in the laptop one maybe it displays it out-of-bounds where I can't see it.
03:54<jm_>does menu show up in 'xlsclients' output when it's active?
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03:55<jm_>but I suppose that's not easy to test with a single system
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04:00<DADADADADADA>HELLO?
04:00<petn-randall>DADADADADADA: You called?
04:01<DADADADADADA>chinese
04:01<petn-randall>!cn
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04:01<DADADADADADA>Mingyong Zhao
04:02<DADADADADADA>and you ?
04:03<Serge-Thiry>jm_, I never used xlsclients, but I tried sleep 5 ; xlsclients -a -l to give me time to click on the menu, with clementine, on both of my screens : same output (I verified with a diff). Not sure if I used it right...
04:06<jm_>Serge-Thiry: yeah I somehow expected it to behave like that (if it wouldn't, then one could see where it was opened with other tools)
04:10<jm_>Serge-Thiry: maybe this can help https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/xtruss/
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04:10<jm_>never tried it myself
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04:12<Serge-Thiry>jm_, thanks, I'm giving it a shot.
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04:21<jm_>Serge-Thiry: I performed a quick test with geeqie and it seems the tool is useful, but it's hard to figure out which of the displayed calls is relevant (well for an outsider not familiar with X11)
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04:24<jm_>I remembered the last line in the file before opening a menu, but a lot happens after that :)
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04:30<Serge-Thiry>jm_, yeah, it's giving me a lot of output... I'll sift through it, maybe something interesting will show up :)
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04:33<jm_>Serge-Thiry: yeah CreateWindow calls are maybe useful (I'd need to take a screenshot with menu opened to measure width/height to see if any one matches that)
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04:43<Serge-Thiry>jm_, I did a capture when I clicked on the menu, one when I didn't, and if used diff with a grep CreateWindow : only 3 lines appear. I'll compare those 3 lines with those I get when I launch clementine from the other screen.
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06:12<Jonny>Hi, how do i check what Nouveau driver version i am using, what command? Thank you.
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06:14<petn-randall>Jonny: It's usually the package version of xserver-xorg-video-nouveau.
06:15<petn-randall>Jonny: 'dpkg -l | grep nouveau'
06:15<petn-randall>Jonny: There are also kernel parts, so that depends on the kernel version you're running.
06:15<Jonny>hmm thanks petn, how would i know what kernel version i am using? thanks
06:16<Jonny>xserver-xorg-video-nouveau 1:1.0.13-3
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06:16<Jonny>so my nouveau is 1.0.13-3 ?
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06:16<Jonny>interesting
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06:17<petn-randall>Jonny: 'uname -r' will tell you the current kernel version.
06:17<Jonny>4.9.0-4-amd64
06:17<Jonny>thanks
06:17<Jonny>very useful
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06:18<Jonny>petn do you know the latets nouveau driver?
06:18<Jonny>would nouveau website say it?
06:18<Jonny>latest*
06:19<petn-randall>Jonny: What problem are you trying to fix?
06:19<petn-randall>Jonny: Latest driver isn't always the best.
06:19<Jonny>a resolution issue. The highest i have is a 1024x768 on a 1920x1080 monitor
06:20<petn-randall>Jonny: What AMD card is this?
06:20<Jonny>I wish it was AMD. It is a Nvidia 950 maxwell card.
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06:21<petn-randall>Right, Nvidia, sorry.
06:22<qqqq>
06:22<petn-randall>Jonny: That's usually fixed by trying a newer kernel. You can get a newer one from stretch-backports.
06:22<petn-randall>!cn
06:22<dpkg>如果您想要以中文得到 Debian 相關的協助,請加入 irc.debian.org 或 irc.oftc.net 上的 #dot 頻道,連線與加入頻道的方法請參閱 IRC 程式之相關說明,或於網路上搜尋。謝謝您的合作!
06:22<petn-randall>qqqq: ^^^^
06:22<petn-randall>!stretch-backports
06:22<dpkg>Some packages intended for Buster (Debian 10) but recompiled for use with Stretch (Debian 9) can be found in the stretch-backports repository. See http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ . Ask me about <bdo>, <backports>.
06:23<petn-randall>Jonny: ^^^
06:23<Jonny>a new kernel ey. Ill have a look now. cheers
06:23<Jonny>:)
06:25<Jonny>is this the right one? :: https://packages.debian.org/stretch-backports/kernel-image-4.13.0-0.bpo.1-amd64-di
06:26<Jonny>its much newer than 4.9.0-4-amd64
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06:26<Jonny>petn-randall:
06:27<jm_>yes
06:27<Jonny>Thanks jm
06:27<jm_>wait no, not with -di at the end
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06:28<Jonny>oh right. ill find right one
06:28<jm_>so linux-image-4.13.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 or linux-image-amd64 from bpo
06:28<Jonny>jm are these free ? and not non-free?
06:29<jm_>Jonny: as in DFSG free? yes
06:29<Jonny>as in open source? :)
06:29<Jonny>?
06:29<Jonny>:jm_
06:29<jm_>yes DFSG free covers that
06:29<Jonny>oops
06:29<Jonny>oh ok thanks jm_
06:30<jm_>no problem
06:30<Jonny>and does putting your name and then colon : alert you ?
06:30<Jonny>jm_:
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06:31<petn-randall>Jonny: Follow the instructions from the factoid, you don't need to download packages from the website.
06:31<jm_>Jonny: yes, but it's much more helpful if you write "jm_: foo" instead of "foo<enter>jm_<enter>"
06:31<mingyang>everybody
06:32<Jonny>Ok thanks jm_ and petn
06:32<petn-randall>mingyang: Do you have a Debian support question?
06:32<mingyang>yeah
06:32<Jonny>petn-randall: foo by factoid do you mean that link, you linked?
06:32<Jonny>can he see foo? lol
06:32<jm_>uhh don't write foo, foo was a placeholder for what you want to write
06:33<Jonny>oh haha
06:33<mingyang>Chinese
06:33<jm_>!cn
06:33<dpkg>如果您想要以中文得到 Debian 相關的協助,請加入 irc.debian.org 或 irc.oftc.net 上的 #dot 頻道,連線與加入頻道的方法請參閱 IRC 程式之相關說明,或於網路上搜尋。謝謝您的合作!
06:33<tt>Good morning, #debian. Have you thanked an open-sourceror yet today?
06:34<Jonny>petn-randall: sorry i dont understand what you mean by factoid? Did you mean https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/?
06:34<Jonny>tt: good morning
06:34<petn-randall>!stretch-backports
06:34<dpkg>Some packages intended for Buster (Debian 10) but recompiled for use with Stretch (Debian 9) can be found in the stretch-backports repository. See http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ . Ask me about <bdo>, <backports>.
06:34<petn-randall>Jonny: ^^^ this above is a factoid.
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06:35<Jonny>petn-randall: ok thanks, so rather than install the individual kernel package, just install the entire stretch backport for the whole system?
06:35<jm_>:)
06:35<Jonny>with apt update & apt upgrade with sources.list set up for backport?
06:35<Jonny>is that right?
06:36<tt>No, you don't update an entire system to backports. You do 'apt-get install -t stretch-backports' for individual packages you need from backports
06:36<jm_>no, I think petn-randall thought that you want to download kernel package using http://packages.debian.org instead of using apt
06:36<Jonny>oh i see thanks tt and jm
06:36<jm_>so the advice was to use apt instead
06:36<Jonny>ah ok, phew!
06:37<Jonny>so <apt-get linux-image-4.13.0-0.bpo.1-amd64> ?
06:37<petn-randall>Jonny: No, stretch-backports is pinned with low enough priority that 'apt update && apt dist-upgrade' won't change your system after adding it. You need to cherry-pick individual packages, like tt said.
06:37<Jonny>very interesting, thanks petn.
06:37<jm_>note how tt told you to use '-t stretch-backports'
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06:38<Jonny><apt-get install -t stretch-backports linux-image-4.13.0-0.bpo.1-amd64> ?? Yeah sorry tt :P. is this ok now?
06:38<jm_>(https://backports.debian.org/Instructions also mentiones that)
06:39<Jonny>ah yes thanks
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06:39<Jonny>deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian stretch-backports main to my sources.list
06:39<Jonny>jm_: are you running backport kernel 4.13?
06:40<Serge-Thiry>MISE A JOUR IRC : Le MOTD du serveur a été mis à jour, en prenant en compte les règles habituelles des serveurs d'assistance classiques. Faites /motd et vous trouverez un quatrième paragraphe dans la section REGLES D'UTILISATION :)
06:40<tt>ugh
06:40<Serge-Thiry>MISE A JOUR IRC : (/motd à faire et à consulter dans votre tout premier onglet, bien évidemment ;) )
06:41<petn-randall>Serge-Thiry: I don't think you'll get very far speaking french in here.
06:41<Serge-Thiry>... oh dammit. Sorry
06:41<Jonny>haha
06:41<Jonny>tt: is this right now? <apt-get install -t stretch-backports linux-image-4.13.0-0.bpo.1-amd64>
06:41<tt>Serge-Thiry: I'm just pleased you're /not/ a spambot afterall.
06:41<Serge-Thiry>I used /wallchan, and it was supposed to be for my personnal server...
06:41<tt>Jonny: you don't even need the version part
06:41<Jonny>tt: i got the package name from ehre https://packages.debian.org/stretch-backports/linux-image-4.13.0-0.bpo.1-amd64
06:41<jm_>Jonny: no, I am on a very old custom kernel with jessie, will use bpo kernel when I finally upgrade the system to stretch though
06:42<Jonny>tt: oh ok so <apt-get install -t stretch-backports linux-image>
06:42<tt>looks reasonable.
06:42<petn-randall>Serge-Thiry: Luckily I asked, other ops might have assumed you're a bot and kickbanned. :)
06:42<tt>I recommend you read the docs (linked instruction page) in detail
06:42<Jonny>jm_: interesting :).
06:42<Serge-Thiry>petn-randall, I'm pretty glad you did then :)
06:42<jm_>Jonny: linux-image-amd64 will always depend on a latest version and pull it in, you can use whichever you prefer
06:43<tt>yar, that is better advice.
06:43<Jonny>jm_: so just use my version one?
06:43<Jonny>jm_: apt-get install -t stretch-backports linux-image-4.13.0-0.bpo.1-amd64
06:43<Jonny>just to be safe? :P
06:43<tt>that is fine
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06:44<Jonny>ah great thanks guys
06:44<PEB>petn-randall: a pretty slow bot then :D
06:44<jm_>Jonny: like I said, whatever you prefer, at this time both will result in the sam ething so just proceed
06:44<PEB>more like a boat
06:44<Jonny>jm_: interesting, cheers.
06:45<Jonny>jm_: This is open source https://packages.debian.org/stretch-backports/linux-image-4.13.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 ?
06:45<Jonny>jm_: sorry i think i asked this before :S
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06:47<tt>yes, of course.
06:48<jm_>Jonny: noticed the "Download Source Package linux:" and three links below it?
06:48<tt>I guess there is some binary firmware in linux, even without the linux-firmware package
06:48<Jonny>jm_: i see them yes.
06:48<Jonny>tt: thanks!
06:49<Jonny>tt: i get this with that command: The value 'stretch-backports' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources
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06:49<tt>re-read the instructions, then configure your /etc/apt/sources.list correctly
06:49<Jonny>tt: okie doke
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06:50<jm_>did you run apt update after editing sources.list?
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06:51<Jonny>jm_: no ? oo god i need to do that don't i
06:51<jm_>yes you do
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06:51<Jonny>ok cheers
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06:53<Jonny>ok i will reboot, it has installed.
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06:59<tt>Will Jonny fix his wifi? Day 3, the saga continues...
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07:00<Jonny>tt: Haha, well the reboot was fine, the kernel 4.13 is updated but my resolution problem persists.
07:00<Jonny>so thanks guys for that!
07:01<Jonny>I do know a non-free backport fixes my resolution issue
07:01<Jonny>but its non-free....
07:01<tt>which one?
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07:01<Jonny>https://packages.debian.org/stretch-backports/firmware-misc-nonfree
07:01<Jonny>:(
07:01<tt>oh you should def. install that if you think it will fix your problem
07:02<Jonny>I know, i wrote a guide on it for reddit lol. But, i wish there was a free fix.
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07:02<tt>Debian is extremely hard-line about what it considers Free Software, and that is right and good, but sometimes we make compromises just to get the job done, right? And that, is a very small compromise.
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07:03<Jonny>tt: Hmm very interesting. I suppose so. You don't suppose telemetry/tracking/privacy issue would exist in that package i linked you would it?
07:04<Jonny>because it defeats the purpose of why i used Linux over Windows if it does. which is for privacy. because i am sick of telemetry on Windows.
07:04<tt>well I can't make any promises, but one assumes not.
07:04<Jonny>I see.
07:04<tt>also firmware blobs are usually loaded to the card as a substitute for the card having flash memory etc. to store it's own on-board code
07:04<Jonny>well one of the errors i get which that package fix it this error:
07:04<Jonny>nouveau 0000:01:00.0: firmware: failed to load nvidia/gm206/gr/sw_nonctx.bin (-2)
07:04<tt>it's not generally code that runs on your CPU
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07:05<Jonny>what do you mean? sorry my brain is a bit laggy today , it needs its own backport package ha
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07:05<tt>your video card is like a little computer all on it's own
07:05<tt>lots of things are, or at least have a microcontroller in them
07:06<tt>they run code
07:06<Jonny>Oh i see yeah.
07:06<tt>it can be stored on the card, but it's often loaded at initialization time by the driver
07:06<jm_>you get failed to load if you don't install firmware-misc-nonfree
07:06<jm_>ahh you said it fixes that error, sorry
07:07<Jonny>tt: true, i mean they could just prepare tracking at a microcontroller level anyway :S. Bloody Nvidia
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07:07<tt>exactly.
07:07<Jonny>jm_: Ah well thats very telling jm. thanks.
07:07<Serge-Thiry>jm_, just to keep you posted, you were right : on my external screen where everything's fine, I get a CreateWindow with those values : x=1567, y=222, width=497, height=391, border-width=0. But, on my laptop screen, I get those : x=0, y=0, width=8448, height=1, border-width=0. So, yeah, it's drawing the menu completely wrong.
07:08<Jonny>tt: theres me trying to escape companies making a buck out of my hardware info and personal info... Hmmm nope, they stoop to the hardware level to do that now-a-days.
07:08<jm_>Serge-Thiry: so maybe an app bug, or maybe it queries the system and gets such absurd values back
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07:08<tt>Jonny: yes. it's very difficult (or impossible) to even buy hardware you can trust. it's nice that Debian, FSF, and others keep fighting that good fight.
07:08<Jonny>I will have to check if AMD has better privacy ethics than Nvidia. Though all comapnies are doing it today.
07:08<tt>most of us just have to use Dells, though.
07:09<Jonny>tt: yes i am grateful for Debian arm wrestling against privacy issues.
07:09<Jonny>tt: yeah I bet Dells entire PC is a tracking device haha :P.
07:10<jm_>well they are the ones who offer hardware with intel's ME engine disabled :)
07:10<Jonny>interesting.
07:10<Jonny>I wish i could make my own hardware and OS. :S
07:10<Jonny>data mine myself and sell it to myself.
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07:12<Jonny>One positive way of looking at it is the fact that data analysts like as much data as possible for a more accurate and more valueable representation. However the more we skew their efforts the worse we make it for them.
07:12<Jonny>they might get some information like from Nvidia drivers but using Linux and Ublock orgin firefox addon we make the data analyst job near perfetic.
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07:13<Jonny>they simply cant build a as big profile of you compared to someone using windows 10 with no tracker blocking addons.
07:14<Jonny>A person on Windows 10 with no tracker blocker transmits a much larger picture of the user compared to Linux users with said tracker blockers.
07:14<tt>for sure.
07:14<Jonny>ye. So there is some positive to be had.
07:15<Jonny>Any small and medium size data mining companies are completley screwed however concerning Linux and tracker blocking.
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07:15<tt>careful, citizen. I wouldn't want to have to list you for reëducation.
07:16<Jonny>I dont need re-educating. Do i ? lol
07:16<tt>I don't know, let me ask your Amazon Echo.
07:16<Jonny>haha
07:16<Jonny>jesus, thats a good one
07:17<Jonny>just run : apt-get Jonny's amazon echo /lib/nothingtoseehere/dataminingprofile/usr/jonny/jonnydata.conf
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08:26<briner>hi, I'm installing hundreds of servers for my university. Lot of them are given to others sysadmins. Some of them install for instance phpmyadmin, and do configure properly dbconfig-common. Now, I must upgrade these machines from jessie to stretch. And the upgrade of phpmyadmin is difficult as it is not using dbconfig-common. The question is: how can the *other* sysdamin check if dbconfig-common is well configured and working. If not how can they do to enabl
08:26<briner>e it ?
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09:05<Guest334>anyone have any good recommendations on (or googleable terms) for network service/device discovery? i have looked into eureka from netflix, but the root eureka server ip address seems to need to be hard coded in configuration.
09:05<grawity>there's DNS
09:06<Guest334>i was worried about caching
09:06<grawity>more specifically?
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09:35<Guest334>grawity: sorry got pulled away....do you mean a name instead of a hard coded ip address in the eureka config? Or do you mean a round robin dns scheme?
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09:35<tt>Guest334: with saltstack, for example, it defaults to looking up the name 'master' in DNS, if there's no master in the config file, perhaps because there's no config file.
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09:36<tt>so a lot of times you can make sure that's configured in your enviornment, and then you can bootstrap a new host w/o placing a config file first. and then once it connects etc., salt configures everything else.
09:36<Guest334>tt: thanks, ill have to check out salstack
09:36<tt>look at Puppet too.
09:37<Guest334>*saltstack
09:37<tt>but I was more using it as an example of that kind of thing
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09:37<tt>than saying you should necessarily use it
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09:38<Guest334>tt: thats good, i am trying to get a feel for autconfigure...to give you an i idea, i started with bonjour
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09:39<tt>there are service discovery things, but I have never used them
09:39<Guest334>then went multicast, then local subnet port scanning
09:40<tt>you don't have to worry about DNS caching if you control the DNS servers
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09:40<tt>I consider it kindof a necessity to run my own local DNS anyway
09:40<tt>don't want to end up getting served ads instead of NXDOMAIN or any of that crap
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09:43<hgabor84>hi
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09:45<hgabor84>Im using Xfce with Debian 9. How to setup autologin?
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09:47<tt>I'm not sure the ways, or if this is the best way. but you can use nodm
09:49<hgabor84>thanks
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10:15<fourier_saint>comment faire
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10:17<fourier_saint>je ne comprend pas la conversation
10:17<fourier_saint>c'est un jenre de bot
10:18<grove>!fr
10:18<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
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10:20<fourier_saint>i also speak english
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10:31<tt>smart bot
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10:42<sfgdfgdfsg>https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-basico.en.html#s-dpkg-scanpackages does apt still support this repository format (the flat one)?
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10:44<sfgdfgdfsg>if so, what's the proper structure of the directory containing .dsc and other files? do i just need to dump all of them into debs? i've tried a few things (including this), but nothing seems to work
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10:45<sfgdfgdfsg>the source files i have were obtained by running apt-get source <pkg>
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10:53<Jonny>Hi, is it wise downloading a buster package : xserver-xorg-video-nouveau (1:1.0.15-2)
10:53<Jonny>thanks
10:54<petn-randall>Jonny: If your _actual_ question is: "Is it wise to install this buster package on stretch?" then the answer is "no".
10:54<petn-randall>Jonny: Did upgrading the kernel not help?
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10:55<Jonny>petn-randl: Hi petn, ok thanks for that! I will not download it then. The kernel upgrade sadly did not help my resolution no :(.
10:55<Jonny>ill just confirm if my kernel is upgraded
10:55<petn-randall>Jonny: petn<tab>
10:55<Jonny>oh whats that command to check kernel version please petn?
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10:56<Jonny>petn-randall:
10:56<sfgdfgdfsg>uname -a
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10:56<Jonny>thanks sfg
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10:57<Jonny>petn-randall: Yes its 4.13.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 but still cant select 1920x1080.
10:58<Jonny>petn-randall: i do know the firemaware-misc-nonfree backport works but! Its non-free. Closed source might have hidden privacy problems.
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11:00<Jonny>petn-randall: to make matters worse, my NV110 card has WIP here: https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/FeatureMatrix/
11:00<Jonny>argh.
11:02<tt>Jonny: I confirmed, it is all firmware, none of it is code that runs on your CPU.
11:02<tt>just think of it as a proprietary part on the video card
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11:03<Jonny>tt: Oh i never ignored you tt it is just that i see this discusion over at tails forum. They was talking of nouveau that was all but basically agreed with your notion
11:03<Jonny>tt: they also mention the firmware package
11:03<tt>any driver must have this data available, because the card demands the driver upload the data to it
11:04<Jonny>tt: true.
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11:04<tt>open-source driver cannot function if the card does not function.
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11:04<Jonny>tt: I was just finalising any possible open source fix but it looks like i will have to go with the non-free.
11:04<tt>so you must choose nvidia driver (which actually is closed-source 3rd-party questionable software running on your computer), or firmware-misc-nonfree
11:04<Jonny>tt: got ya
11:04<tt>or your current resolution.
11:05<Jonny>firmware-misc-nonfree is better for privacy right? :)
11:05<Jonny>1024x768 awh hell no :P.
11:05<antun3s>I had this problem: https://www.reddit.com/r/debian/comments/7ivs18/what_is_gnome_doing_tho/?st=jb5275dg&sh=e69d98ef
11:05<Jonny>had or have? lol
11:05<tt>Jonny: I applaud your efforts / intentions, though.
11:05<antun3s>have(bad english here)
11:06<Jonny>tt: thanks tt.
11:06<Jonny>brb
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11:06<tt>antun3s: that's a photo taken with a camera ?
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11:06<antun3s><tt> yes,
11:07<antun3s>i fix it using old selecting old version kernel on grub at boot
11:07<antun3s>so, it did'n fix for ever, but helped me
11:08<tt>that's good, that there was a workaround.
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11:10<petn-randall>Jonny: But you're already running non-free firmware. Just an older, more buggy version burned on the card.
11:11<petn-randall>Jonny: There's no privacy benefit of using the older, buggy firmware.
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11:13<tt>antun3s: also looks like the reddit thread got some confirmations
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11:14<tt>ugh that would be a crappy bug, if the timeline stated is correct (introduced in a stable point release)
11:15<Jonny>petn-randall: I am already running non-free firmware now?
11:16<tt>I think the kernel includes some considered too small/insignificant to break out into the separate repo; I may be wrong or it is no longer true
11:17<tt>or in petn-randall's example the card has a firmware flashed onto it, what it needs is an update
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11:17<Jonny>tt: ah i see.
11:18<Jonny>tt: oh yeah like we said Nvidia probably have telemetry tracking crap loaded in the card anyway.
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11:18<tt>Jonny: that's another way to look at it: you know how you can download a firmware update for a piece of hardware, like say a mouse? you run the installer, and it copies the new "program" to the actual mouse. the cheaper way to do that, is have the mouse driver (which in their thinking comes from the same source as a firmware update: the manufacturer) load the current firmware every time it starts up the
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11:18<tt>mouse.
11:18<tt>so, you probably wouldn't have a problem running a firmware update for some hardware. so you should be OK with the driver loading firmware.
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11:19<petn-randall>tt: All firmware from the linux kernel is split out nowadays in the firmware-* packages in Debian's non-free section.
11:19<Jonny>tt: oh i see
11:20<petn-randall>Jonny: Yes, your card is already running older firmware that is flashed onto the chip.
11:20<tt>the non-free-ness comes in only in that there may be some restriction on redistribution from the copyright holder (which, if it was significant, it would not make it into debian, or linux), and you don't have the source code (which is equally true of a bunch of stuff burned onto chips in your computer.)
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11:20<Jonny>petn-randall: closed firmware i'd imagine?
11:20<tt>certainly free driver + non-free firmware is 1000x 'better' here than proprietary driver (which is also + non-free firmware.)
11:21<tt>Jonny: of course, essentially no one releases source code for their firmware images.
11:21<Jonny>tt: would you say non-free is better than propreitary driver?
11:21<tt>you're lucky if you get a place to download binaries and a changelog.
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11:21<Jonny>tt: i see
11:21<tt>Jonny: I don't understand the question, I think I've explained it pretty well..
11:22<Jonny>tt: non-free firmware to support Nouveau is better than propreitary Nvidia drivers in terms of privacy?
11:23<tt>absolutely
11:23<petn-randall>Jonny: The non-free firmware is running on your GPU. Non-free drivers run on your *CPU*.
11:23<petn-randall>in kernel space, equivalent to running as root, even.
11:23<Jonny>tt: ok thanks
11:23<Jonny>ah i see petn thanks!
11:24<Jonny>brb guys phone
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11:26<antun3s>Thanks /u TT :D
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12:16<DanMiikkael>installed Debian 8.7 on a laptop some time ago
12:16<DanMiikkael>the installer left the sources.list sources commented out
12:18<petn-randall>DanMiikkael: That only happens if there's no network connectivity during install. It then just leaves the cdrom as only source.
12:18<petn-randall>DanMiikkael: 9.2 is current, better upgrade! :)
12:19<blast007>!jessie sources.list
12:19<dpkg>A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list".
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12:24<DanMiikkael>its a shame
12:24<DanMiikkael>but understand
12:25<DanMiikkael>yeah better upgrade:)
12:25<DanMiikkael>do i need to update to 8.9 first or straight to 9.2?
12:25<DanMiikkael>well i have time
12:26<DanMiikkael>so maybe in steps
12:26<Blacker47>DanMiikkael, i would recommend to upgrade first to 8.10 and then to 9.3.
12:27<DanMiikkael>oh i see there's new versions cool
12:27<blast007>and then once you have that done:
12:27<blast007>!jessie->stretch
12:27<Blacker47>there was some small updates to later 8.x packages to bugfix some small problems during upgrade to 9.x so it could help a little.
12:27<DanMiikkael>thanks
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12:28<blast007>hmm, bot didn't respond: Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> http://deb.li/OFVv . In /etc/apt/sources.list, change "jessie" to "stretch" and remove stable-specific lines like jessie-backports. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> are known to cause problems with the upgrade.
12:30<Blacker47>and comment out the cdrom as source.
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12:43<Caaruzo>Greetings togehter, i hope someone may could help me please. i set up a server (Debian 9 Stretch). Everything is up to date and i enabled wake on lan on my mainboard. but for some reason, the network card get fully powered off when i do bash "systemctl hibernate". Ive seen that there was an option for the halt script in past versions of debian to prevent turn of the network card. (/etc/init.d/halt adding the value NETDOWN=no). Is here some
12:43<Caaruzo>to prevent my card from turning off?
12:44<petn-randall>Caaruzo: That just doesn't deconfigure the network when hibernating, so you're misunderstanding that setting.
12:44<petn-randall>Caaruzo: What problem are you trying to solve? Do you want to use Wake On LAN?
12:45<Caaruzo>Yes i want to use Wake on Lan. Its enabled in my firewall, also on the mainboard etc. works also for another server in my network with another os. But on the debian 9 machine, the network card gets powered off when hibernating (i guess so, cause both lights get turned off) and iam not able to use wol
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12:47<Caaruzo>with lights i mean the newtork card LED's. Its an asrock a320M-DGS mainboard
12:47<blast007>does WOL work at all on that system? say, if you shut down instead of hibernate, or if you haven't yet turned the system on after plugging in the power cord?
12:47<petn-randall>Caaruzo: You can probably check how it's set with ethtool/mii-tool. I pretty sure NEDOWN=no is irrelevant for your case.
12:47<Caaruzo>my wol is set to mode g
12:47<petn-randall>Caaruzo: Also what blast007 said.
12:48<Caaruzo>when iam turning off the system, there is the same problem
12:48<petn-randall>Caaruzo: Then it's a config problem in your BIOS.
12:48<sparky4_>evolution is broken
12:48<sparky4_>again
12:48<blast007>Caaruzo: what about the other situation? when you first plug in the power, does WOL work?
12:48<Caaruzo>using a fritzbox 7490 behind that. when i use the internal fritzbox wol button it works. sometimes it also works with my php script magic packet but not everytime. and if it works, then just in first 20 mins after shut down.
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12:49<Caaruzo>sometimes it wont work directly after hibernate or poweroff
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12:49<Caaruzo>tried sleep modes s3 and s4
12:49<Caaruzo>@blast007 no, same thing then
12:49<blast007>then it isn't a Debian problem at all
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12:50<mary4>I am sick of this error!
12:50<Caaruzo>give me maybe a second. i try it again
12:50<mary4>it happened when i upgraded to debian stretch
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12:50<Caaruzo>shutting down server uinplug lan and power. then put both back in. powercord first then i send a mp
12:51<Caaruzo>ok doesnt work. but when i send a package via the fritzbox router button function it still works
12:51<Caaruzo>not sure what the problem can be. cause the router support also says everything fine
12:52<Caaruzo>weird
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12:52<blast007>Caaruzo: is it an onboard LAN or a separate card?
12:53<Caaruzo>on board
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12:53<Caaruzo>eneblad PCI wake up also on bios
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12:55<blast007>then perhaps a BIOS update might fix that, or it could also be that the power supply isn't supplying enough 5V standby current. https://superuser.com/questions/820217/atx-standard-for-wake-on-lan
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12:56<Caaruzo>already updated the bios yesterday. using the following powersuply: 300 Watt be quiet! Pure Power 10 Non-Modular 80+ Bronze
12:56<blast007>in any case, sounds like more of a question for a computer hardware channel
12:57<Caaruzo>needs there to be a seperate pin for that? may you know
12:57<Caaruzo>other wise i try to find a hardware channel
12:57<Caaruzo>xD
12:57<Caaruzo>and definitly thanks for ya help
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12:58<blast007>there is ##hardware on irc.freenode.net
12:58<blast007>I'd think that PSU would be fine
12:58<Caaruzo>also think so. but not sure whats the problem then
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12:58<Caaruzo>lawl
12:58<Caaruzo>xD
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12:59<blast007>might just be a bug with the board. If possible, you could try a PCI/PCIe card instead.
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12:59<Caaruzo>hehe ok thank you much.
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13:00<blast007>I've got an Intel PCIe card at home, and WOL does work with that.
13:00<mary4>I do have issues with evolution
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13:02<mary4>Cannot start Evolution. Another Evolution instance may be unresponsive. System error: Error calling StartServiceByName for org.gnome.evolution.dataserver.Sources5: Timeout was reached
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13:03<mary4>this happened when i upgraded to debian stretch
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13:06<casawi>hello to all I have a problem with gdebi download Package install gdebi but null 'to do besignio autio
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13:36<spider_>is everybody sleep
13:36<casawi>rror: newline unexpected
13:37<mary4>not mw
13:37<petn-randall>spider_: No, this is a Debian support channel where people ask questions and get answers.
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13:38<mary4>Cannot start Evolution. Another Evolution instance may be unresponsive. System error: Error calling StartServiceByName for org.gnome.evolution.dataserver.Sources5: Timeout was reached
13:38<mary4>this happened since i upgraded to debian stretch
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13:40<annadane>i just said "hi" to you, clearly not everybody is asleep. if you have a question, just ask it and someone will get around to it
13:42<casawi>problem gdebi install gdiskdump_0.8-1_all
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13:43<casawi>./gdiskdump_0.8-1_all.deb: 2: ./gdiskdump_0.8-1_all.deb: Syntax error: newline unexpected
13:43<Caaruzo>iam back. nobody wont respond to my question about the wol on hardware channel. they simply ignore it all the time until my question got spammed away xD
13:44<annadane>casawi, we'll need more information if you want help. post any relevant output to paste.debian.net
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13:44<annadane>unless those *were* the only error messages. how are you trying to insall it?
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13:46<annadane>,v gdebi
13:46<judd>Package: gdebi on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.8.7; jessie: 0.9.5.5+nmu1; buster: 0.9.5.7+nmu1; sid: 0.9.5.7+nmu1; stretch: 0.9.5.7+nmu1
13:48<blast007>casawi: you sure that's a .deb file and not some web server error page you downloaded? what does 'file gdiskdump_0.8-1_all.deb' say the file is?
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13:55<mary4>I got Cannot start Evolution. Another Evolution instance may be unresponsive. System error: Error calling StartServiceByName for org.gnome.evolution.dataserver.Sources5: Timeout was reached
13:57<sney>mary4: do you see in the error message where it says "another evolution instance may be unresponsive"? Have you checked under top or ps to see if there is a crashed evolution running in the background? or alternately have you rebooted since upgrading to stretch
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15:17<trever>hi, chromium seems start its own avahi listener on port 5353, is there some config to prevent this behaviour globally? e.g. in /etc ?
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15:27<blast007>trever: tried going to chrome://flags and setting "Device Discovery Notifications" to "Disabled"?
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15:34<trever>blast007: thx, this worked, but only for my user, how can i make this the default behaviour?
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15:35<blast007>dunno. use firefox instead?
15:36<blast007>or just firewall access to that port
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15:38<trever>okay, thx
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15:56<nick20>Why is firefox (the non esr version) not available in stretch, but only in sid?
15:56<youssef_>nick20: because it's "unstable"
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15:57<youssef_>nick20: even firefox developers know that, and almost all plugins doesn't work
15:57<tt>youssef_: that's not quite it
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15:57<youssef_>tt: so what is it?
15:57<annadane>the main reason is that debian would have to track the upstream changes
15:58<annadane>with 57 there's the rust issue
15:58<tt>nick20: mozilla used to have a trademark policy that said you couldn't distribute something called firefox unless you used their official binaries. debian builds everything from source, so they had to change the name of firefox to iceweasel for a while.
15:58<youssef_>tt: you mean the freeze then release thing?
15:58<annadane>oh is it still that policy? i didn't think there was any overlap
15:59<youssef_>tt: so it will never have firefox in stable?
15:59<tt>nick20: later, mozilla changed their policy, which allowed Debian to begin transitioning back to the firefox name. As firefox-esr was ready to go for stretch, that was decided to be good enough for the current stable release. In future stable releases, there will be both firefox and firefox-esr packages.
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15:59<youssef_>tt: you also say that current firefox stable isn't DSFG compliant?!
15:59<tt>I absolutely did not say that.
15:59<youssef_>tt: so the issue you said isn't anymore
16:00<youssef_>tt: why did you mention it
16:00<tt>we are in a transitional period, from iceweasel to firefox
16:00<youssef_>okay sorry just misunderstand here
16:00<youssef_>tt: my opinion is it's just not stable
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16:00<youssef_>policy takes time
16:00<annadane>it depends on when mozilla gave the green light and how it interfaced with the freeze period
16:00<youssef_>nvm
16:00<youssef_>okay
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16:01<annadane>but ok, if it will be in future stable releases then i was wrong in what i said before also
16:01<tt>there was iceweasel in stable. which is firefox, just with name and logos changed. mozilla decided to let debian call it firefox again. for the next stable release after that, firefox-esr was included instead of iceweasel.
16:01<tt>annadane: you're right, it was about timelines lining up.
16:01<annadane>all this unfortunately coincides with all of 57's changes :P
16:01<youssef_>tt: he asked about firefox-quantum
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16:02<youssef_>tt: i know that issue
16:02<youssef_>but it doesn't make the latest cutting-bleeding edge firefox be pushed directly to stable
16:02<tt>Well, yes correct, new versions like that don't get pushed to stable.
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16:02<tt>But I didn't understand that to be exactly the question.
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16:04<annadane>by the way, something that hasn't been mentioned is that you don't need to use the debian repository version to use any version of firefox, just download the tar
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16:04<annadane>and if you care about that sort of thing keep the firefox profiles seperate if you plan to use esr and non-esr because all the config goes in ~/.mozilla
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16:05<annadane>i think if you save it to your home folder, anyway. if you put it in a seperate directory then it won't
16:05<annadane>(i'm not a good explainer of things)
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16:06<youssef_>hi people, recently i found out that ftp repos mirrors servers were replying to https but with wikimedia certificate (after i reported to ftp masters, the servers drops all https) the issue is ftp repos must support https (to avoid replay attacks, i can discuss exactly how packages can be manipulated) so as we are the only distro that supports tor repos, so i think for the same reason and for users who accept the exchange of speed (https is a little slower
16:06<youssef_> than http but more secure, while tor is a lot slower (10-20% average) and much more secure than both, supporting https should be added for social contract and debian quality to the users
16:06<youssef_>tt: no problem
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16:07<jhutchins_wk>Because of the frequent updates and improvements there's usually a Debian path to newer Mozilla products, lately in backports but there was a dedicated sserver for a while.
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16:07<grawity>uh, which repos are you talking about
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16:07<nick20>But iceweasel was firefox-esr right? Not firefox
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16:07<youssef_>jhutchins_wk: yeah but i guess it's not a bad thing stable doesn't have latest firefox (Which is unstable)
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16:08<tt>nick20: "Firefox ESR" was not a thing at that point
16:09<youssef_>did anyone read mine last message?
16:09<tt>I actually do not really know the current plan going forward. firefox-esr in stable and firefox available from backports and sid would make some sense.
16:09<youssef_>i mean it's like a 7/10 security hole
16:10<tt>youssef_: no it's not, apt repos over HTTPS has been discussed before
16:10<tt>youssef_: my understanding is it's considered an anti-pattern
16:11<youssef_>okay here it's a sniffer can intercept clear http hashes and packages modify, REGENERATE a WRONG hash for modified package then send them both as if they were legitimate TA-DAA
16:11<youssef_>tt: really was it?
16:11<youssef_>tt: so did they make a voting?
16:12<blast007>aren't packages signed?
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16:12<tt>they are.
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16:13<youssef_>well that means if apt takes signature from old packages and checks the newer (i don't think it does) that will only protect updates but not new installations
16:14<youssef_>newly installed packages are still prone to the attack
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16:14<nick20>There was indeed a discussion about this on the mailing list: https://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2017/10/msg00006.html
16:14<tt>it covers newly installed packages
16:14<tt>the only real hole is getting your original, initial installation media
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16:15<youssef_>i will check if it compares old signatures, wait a sec is it signed by the repo key?
16:15<tt>need to verify its checksum securely out of band somehow, but debian does have HTTPS for downloading images and their signatures
16:15<youssef_>or developer's key?
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16:15<tt>also someone MitM could probably feed you old packages
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16:15<tt>but they can't feed you modified packages
16:16<youssef_>tt: well if packages are signed with repo keys then only gpg migrations (or adding new sources) will still be prone
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16:17<tt>youssef_: https://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt
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16:18<youssef_>okay it's secure for debian but not if someone adds repos after the initial media was created you are right thanks
16:18<youssef_>tt:
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16:19<tt>3rd-party repos also have keys and signatures
16:19<youssef_>yeah but when they are being added can be insecure
16:20<tt>I will say, I'm not entirely convinced that apt over HTTPS is useless/anti-pattern, but I also haven't dived into it as much as I'd need to to make a pronouncement.
16:20<tt>but it's not a glaring flaw, and is currently a conscious decision for the main debian repos/mirrors.
16:20<youssef_>tt: debian doesn't support 3rd-party repos anyway
16:20<youssef_>tt: yeah right
16:21<jhutchins_wk>youssef_: You might consider that the repo managers have been at this a while and may know what they're doing.
16:21<tt>I don't understand what you mean by that.
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16:21<tt>and yes, you need to verify fingerprints somehow; it's a hard problem.
16:22<tt>you propose trusting the 3rd-party commercial CA model of HTTPS
16:22<youssef_>jhutchins_wk: everyone says that, just assuring
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16:26<tt>youssef_: see the end of this: https://deb.debian.org/
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16:28<youssef_>look guys just the keyserver must use https
16:28<youssef_>however it's gpg job
16:29<youssef_>not APT's
16:29<youssef_>and keyservers use it however client gpg must be configures
16:30<youssef_>*configured
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16:32<jhutchins_wk>youssef_: This channel really isn't the appropriate place to discuss your theory.
16:32<youssef_>jhutchins_wk: i just stopped
16:33<jhutchins_wk>youssef_: Thank you.
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16:54<jhutchins_wk>acidrain: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead?
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18:38<dwhitlow>Could somebody give me a hand with an audio issue I've been having on Stretch (ALC1220 codec; alsa-info output: https://hastebin.com/apucenozah.scala)? I'm trying to get the analog audio outputs on my mobo working. The headphone port works, and the digital output in back works, but no playback device appears for Line Out anywhere in the UI. If I run pavucontrol and manually set the profile of the onboard audio device to
18:38<dwhitlow>any analog output (even though all of them are listed as "unplugged"), or if I run `pacmd set-card-profile 0 output:analog-surround-51`, the rear analog outputs will start working. However, changing anything in the Sound settings breaks everything again (the Line Out device never appears as a playback device), as does rebooting. I've tried creating an /etc/modprobe.d/alsa.conf file containing `options snd-hda-intel
18:38<dwhitlow>model=5stack-digout` because I couldn't find an exact model match for my codec, and I also tried creating an /etc/asound.conf file to set the default card and device, but nothing seems to be persisting my config. I'd appreciate any help.
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18:53<m3t4d4t4>why???
18:54<dwhitlow>m3t4d4t4, is that in reference to me?
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18:54<blast007>no, it wasn't. they had just joined.
18:54<dwhitlow>Yeah, I missed that initially. Just got excited to see a response
18:55<annadane>some people just can't be helped.
18:55<annadane>(you are presumably not one of those people, however i unfortunately do not know the answer to your question)
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18:57<annadane>if nobody ends up answering you you can try the mailing list debian-user@lists.debian.org
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18:59<dwhitlow>Thanks, I'll poke around there next. Right now I'm looking into figuring out how outdated my ALSA lib and drivers are and trying to update those. I'm guessing most of my problems are stemming from the use of this relatively new codec.
18:59<blast007>dwhitlow: is this part of a really recent motherboard?
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19:00<dwhitlow>Yeah. ASRock X299 Taichi. The codec was released around Jan/Feb.
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19:01<dwhitlow>Not sure how recent the mobo itself is, or what the threshold for "really recent" as far as Debian is concerned.
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19:01<blast007>I see here that it says kernel 4.11 includes support. Stretch comes with 4.9, but stretch-backports has 4.13. https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-4.11-Sound-Updates
19:02<blast007>so you might try the kernel from backports and see if that works better
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19:02<dwhitlow>I'll give that a try. Thanks for the suggestion, blast.
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19:02<blast007>!stretch backports
19:02<dpkg>Some packages intended for Buster (Debian 10) but recompiled for use with "Stretch" (9.x) can be found in the "stretch-backports" repository. See http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ . A suitable line for your sources.list is "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-backports main". Also ask me about <bdo>.
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19:35<dwhitlow>No dice. After updating to 4.13, my system displayed some sort of crash screen with a logout button after the initial boot sequence. Clicking it just flashed the init terminal output again before going back to the crash screen. I'm looking into updating ALSA without updating the kernel, but it appears that audio drivers are bundled with the kernel now, so I'm not sure that would have any effect.
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19:39<somiaj>dwhitlow: should try to stick to only asking on a single channel.
19:40<dwhitlow>Anyway, based on that earlier info, it looks like my problem is definitely codec/driver related, so it looks like my best bet is to either wait for the stable release of buster or switch to ubuntu/artful. Thanks for taking the time to help, blast007.
19:40<somiaj>well if it is codec/driver, the 4.13 kernel should contain that. Do you know an paticular kernel it actually works in?
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19:41<dwhitlow>Yeah, I tried updating to 4.13 from stretch-backports, but I couldn't get my system to boot with that version.
19:41<somiaj>if it is a 4.14 kernel, thta will make it to backports.
19:41<somiaj>oh, so it wasn't that you don't nkow if it didn't work with 4.13, it is your system didn't boot with 4.13, which I find odd, usually the backport kernels work just fine.
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19:42<blast007>Maybe some other package needs to be pulled from backports as well. Dunno.
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19:47<dwhitlow>Possibly. I'm going to look into the OSS suggestion somiaj made earlier. If I can't get that to work, I'll start diagnosing the 4.13 issue. Thanks again for all of y'all's help.
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19:49<somiaj>well if you know it works in a newer kernel, I would get a newer kernel working...oh they left
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