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#debian IRC Logs for 2017-12-27

---Logopened Wed Dec 27 00:00:23 2017
00:10-!-Hotpot33 [~Hot_Pot@167.88.161.87] has joined #debian
00:10-!-Hotpot33 is "WUT" on #virt #tor #qemu #oftc #linode #fsci #debian #ceph
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00:31-!-Infiltrator_reconnecting is "Infiltrator" on #debian-next #debian
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01:00-!-wompa is "Tomas Heikkilä" on @#linux #debian-offtopic #debian-next #debian
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01:00-!-Q-Master^Work is "Vladimir Berezenko" on #debianppc #debian #debian-next
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01:08-!-coldtobi is "Tobias Frost" on #debian-mia #debian-ftp #debconf #debian #debian-games #debian-mentors
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01:11-!-coldtobi is "Tobias Frost" on #debian-til #debian-mia #debian-ftp #debconf #debian #debian-games #debian-mentors
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01:40-!-lawliet is "realname" on #debian
01:40<lawliet>hey there
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02:03-!-marcus is "Marcus Lundblad" on #debian #debian-gnome
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02:40-!-zamuro is "Romanes eunt domus" on #debian #debian-es #debian-ve
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02:53-!-TMTYD [tmtyd@x4dbbce65.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #debian
02:53-!-TMTYD is "..." on #debian
02:53<TMTYD>hi
02:53<TMTYD>jemand deutschsprachiges hier ?
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02:57<dtw>!de
02:57<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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02:59<TMTYD>german people here ?
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03:04<TMTYD>german people here ?
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03:08<TMTYD>german people here ?
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03:18<SpeedyG>probably, but the main language here is English..
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03:20<TMTYD>k SpeedyG
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04:39<jesopo>Hi so I /b 101
04:39<jesopo>oops
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04:53<jesopo>okay, I tried to shrink my /home while online (managed to get everything to stop using it so I could umount it) it somehow messed up the partition table and I was able to recover that using testdisk on a recovery and then I managed to recover the partitions fully with fsck and a superblock backup
04:54<jesopo>I think this whole thing messed up a boot partition I had at the start of the disk (I've got a GPT and had 2mb free at the start of the disk)
04:55<jesopo>I remade a filesystemless 2mb primary partition at the start of the disk, set bios_grub on it, mounted all the things (including --bind /dev /proc /sys) and chrooted into it then did grub-install and update-grub
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04:57<jesopo>now there was a strange boot image in my /boot from OVH and updating grub put that at the start of the boot orders and that booted but it evidently was not my OS (all ports were closed, 445 was marked "filtered", strange) and when I got rid of that image and updated grub, it failed to boot
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04:57<jesopo>I can't figure out what is going on and I can't see the serial of the server (I could if I knew how to run a java applet on debian...) and the disk setup seems correct to me
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04:58<jesopo>I've checked that the sda numbers haven't changed (they had, my boot was at the start of the disk but it was sda4 so I changed this)
04:59<jesopo>I'm not sure what kinda information would help in diagnosing this problem
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06:20<Jonny>Hello, how do i install a packge on debian?
06:21<Jonny>its called desktop-dimmer-4.0.4-amd64.deb
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06:22<Jonny>somiaj: Hi somiaj, whats the command to install a .deb package? please
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06:25<Jonny>nvm i got it
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08:34<TandyUK>hey guys, Im trying to create a custom iso, which we can deploy with preconfigured remote ssh keys
08:34<TandyUK>any ideas how I would go about doing this with simple-cdd or other tools?
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08:42<TandyUK>another question, is when using preseed, how can i disable the network entirely during install, but still have the network configured using the values in the preseed (we deploy from an isolated network, only attaching hosts to a network once deployment is complete, and this final network may or may not have internet access)
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09:38<amacater>!ask
09:38<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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09:39<aby>Hi, I trying to compile using "make" but in some point of the building I got an error: /usr/local/stow/OpenCPN-4.8.0/src/wxsvg/src/cairo/SVGCanvasTextCairo.cpp:22:30: fatal error: pango/pangocairo.h: No such file or directory
09:39<aby> #include <pango/pangocairo.h>
09:39<aby> I went into the folder where the error occur and the folder pango really exist. What can I do?
09:40<tt>that is not a debian question, it's off-topic here
09:40<aby>can you tell me which channel i can go?
09:41<tt>something related to the software you're trying to build, I guess
09:41<tt>oh actually, I can maybe give you some on-topic help
09:42<tt>try `sudo apt-get install libpango1.0-dev`
09:42<aby>I already have it,
09:43<aby>this is the point,
09:43<tt>you already have that package?
09:43<aby>yes,
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09:43<tt>ok, then back to what I said before.
09:44<aby>and the include in the file point to an existent folder
09:44<aby>thanks any way, and sorry
09:44<tt>includes with < > search the include path, not the current directory
09:44<tt>" " would search current directory, but in this case they intended < > and to search your system libs
09:45<tt>are you sure you have that package installed?
09:45<tt>the file you're talking about in the source package could be unrelated
09:46<aby>you are right I think, I ll change the file from < to "
09:46<tt>I doubt that is the right thing to dol.
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09:47<blast007>aby: if that software source has a configure script and you ran it before installing libpango1.0-dev, you may need to run configure again
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09:48<blast007>(same advice may also apply if it uses something like cmake - may need to run through all their build steps again)
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09:49<aby>blast007: I pretty sure that I run cmake after installing libpango, but to be sure I remove the project and start from the beggining,
09:50<tt>aby: it was the -dev package you installed, right?
09:51<aby>tt: doesn"t work too, the change, any way I thought the same, not the best way. and yes, I had the regular but installed also the dev package
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09:54<blast007>does the build command before that error show an include path of /usr/include/pango-1.0 ?
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09:56<blast007>aby: if you can't figure out why it's failing to build, you could search/ask on their forums: http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f134/
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09:57<aby>Thank you very much !
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10:27<Jonny>Hi, how do i change my login password?
10:28<jhutchins>Jonny: General login for Debian?
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10:29<Jonny>jhutchins: yeah, login page before debian desktop :)
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10:30<jhutchins>Jonny: If you can log in, just run "passwd" in a console window. If you can't, can you log in as root?
10:31<Jonny>Oh am logged in, i just wanted to change my password to a easier one, quicker one.
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10:33<amacater>just type passwd in console window
10:33<Jonny>thats it oh
10:33<Jonny>ok ill try it now
10:34<jhutchins>I have no idea what GUI options there are for changing the password. I don't see anything in xfce's settings.
10:34<Jonny>Really?
10:34<Jonny>thats annoying
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10:34<tt>heh, c'mon, this is like the easiest command-line task in the universe.
10:35<Jonny>yeah I wish GUI application installs were a case of double click and run
10:35<tt>there's GUI stuff, but there's more than one GUI, so as a rule it's much more useful to learn how to do stuff on the CLI
10:35<amacater>apt is hard?
10:35<Jonny>tedious
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10:36<amacater>apt install [application]
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10:36<tda>yeah learn command line. its enough trouble on winblows to get people to set the default printer even though its been in the exact same place since 1995
10:36<amacater>apt-cache search "some string"
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10:36<Jonny>true windows is a pain with printers
10:36<amacater>apt-cache show applicaton to see if application's installed
10:37<Jonny>ok cheers
10:37<Jonny>i tried installing a desktop dimmer but had damn errors.
10:38<tt>did you just download a .deb from somewhere on the internet?
10:38<amacater>jonny: what's it called ? apt-install redshift might just work
10:39<tt>^^ what I was going to suggest
10:39<Jonny>tt: yeah? :/
10:39<Jonny>i feel like such a noob
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10:39<tt>don't do that. 99% of the software you want to install should come from the repos.
10:39<Jonny>its annoying i was comfy with windows then Linux made me noob again ha
10:39<amacater>Lesson 0.5 - if you're going to run Debian, run Debian : only Debian repositories - it makes life so much easier
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10:39<Jonny>tt: of course ! i removed it now thankfully
10:39<amacater>!frankendebian
10:39<dpkg>When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
10:39<tt>I realize you'll occassionally need to install 3rd-party software, but realize it's often packaged poorly, and you can only install a .deb if it explicitly claims support for your version of debian.
10:40<Jonny>amacater: ok true
10:40<Jonny>tt: got ya
10:40<tt>the package management system is *the* benefit of debian, and it's a wonderful thing. work with it, not against.
10:41<fiete>Someone at 34c3? Or is there an assembly?
10:41<Jonny>the only things i have done with this fresh Debian is install non-free realtek ethernet, stretch backport for GPU and compton compositor
10:41<Jonny>I will try redshift
10:41<Jonny>thanks
10:41<ivan>I backport like 50 things myself, works great
10:41<fiete>redshift <3
10:42*amacater named apt, back in the day :)
10:42<Jonny>ivan: yeah it does lol
10:42<jhutchins>Jonny: It's a different paradigm to have package management in Linux vs. download-and-install in Windows.
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10:42<Jonny>jhutchins: I see, I am starting to get relativley used to it.
10:43<Jonny>my precious double click .exe, next next finish, run lol.
10:43<tt>Jonny: it's so much nicer ultimately, because you don't have random 3rd parties doing random stuff to your system
10:43<Jonny>yeah , i really like that with Linux
10:44<Jonny>the shutdown speed is instant whereas windows thinks, waits and turns off.
10:44<Jonny>Linux is straight to the point, just needs mastering to a degree.
10:44<Jonny>some degree*
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10:44<amacater>The other point is that the Debian packaging should work to understand other Debian packages. If you install something with lots of other dependencies, those are normally pulled in, configuration is done and it "just works"
10:45<Jonny>I see!
10:45<Jonny>explains why the dimmer i got gave errors
10:45<Jonny>thanks
10:45<amacater>apt install debian-handbook is quite useful - a decent book with all sorts of info. Based on configuring Debian for a hypothetical factory
10:46<Jonny>Thanks, I would like the idea of a physical copy of a debian book
10:46<Jonny>too
10:46<tt>I wish our docs were a little better organized and updated :/
10:46<annadane>though the handbook is still for jessie
10:47<amacater>That one's also available from Lulu / Raphael Hertzog's site
10:47<Jonny>oh
10:47<Jonny>i'll check it out
10:47<tt>there's tons of good stuff, but it's spread around, and often has really old info (that is still useful to one degree or another, so isn't removed.)
10:47<amacater>Yes, but a whole lot of things haven't actually changed especially the basics
10:48<annadane>to get the "full stretch experience" you might want to read the handbook but also read the release notes where it notes differences from jessie -> stretch
10:48<Jonny>yeah i'd imagine there is a lot of stuff in the jessie book that i could still learn from.
10:48<Jonny>yeah
10:48<Jonny>Stretch isn't fully released yet?
10:48<Jonny>is that 10.0?
10:48<tt>it is, it is the current stable, 9.0
10:48<Jonny>oh i see
10:48<annadane>9.3, but yeah
10:48<jhutchins>8.3
10:48<Jonny>i'm thinking of buster
10:49<jhutchins>Geh.
10:49<jhutchins>* moves keyboard
10:49*tt high-fives jhutchins, his mis-versioning pal
10:50<Jonny>Will nouveau ever fully support maxwell nvidia cards? or is nouveau still struggling to get nvidia support?
10:50<amacater>https://debian-handbook.info
10:50<Jonny>ey i like that
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10:50<Jonny>44 euro for the book. ouch
10:51<amacater>Jonny: it depends - Nouveau is getting more support and nvidia are being more helpful. New hardware always takes time to support in mainstream Linux
10:51<tt>maxwell? dunno what that is. the nouveau devs are forced to reverse-engineer everything, though; nvidia will only help with the open-source 2d driver.
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10:51<Jonny>I see guys.
10:51<Jonny>I am glad nvidia are being more helpful
10:51<amacater>Jonny: Yes, but it's a good printing, clear and well bound
10:52<Jonny>amacater: Forgive me, i certainly trust its very good quality.
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10:52<amacater>Also, like most technical books - the market for real paper copies to be printed is small, so it's gradually coming down to smaller and smaller numbers of copies
10:53<annadane>and of course the issue with hard cover books is that if they update you don't get the updated version
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10:53<Jonny>I see.
10:53<annadane>s/hard cover books/physical copies of books in general
10:53<Jonny>Yeah
10:54<amacater>The .deb package is HTML docs, if I remember and Raphael's site gives PDF download or altrnative formats
10:54<Jonny>they are great to read in bed
10:54<Jonny>i need to get to a standard where i can better diagnose my own issues
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10:55<Jonny>Edward snowden uses Linux doesn't he.
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10:55<orion>Hey, um, I need to ask a dumb Debian question. Is this the right place?
10:55<tt>orion: yup.
10:55<Jonny>I think it is yeah
10:55<amacater>The first step is to know you have issues :) The second step is to start investigating methodically and note down what you find
10:55<orion>Excellent.
10:55<amacater>!ask
10:55<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
10:56<annadane>actually i guess https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ is the right place to look for jessie > stretch differences, i was thinking of another page but that pretty much covers it
10:56<AxeBlaze>hi
10:56<annadane>(assuming amd64 which is not necessarily the case)
10:56<Jonny>amacater: Yeah i usually try to do with Linux but the internet is full of wrong answers, or answers that make issues worse.
10:56<tt>yes, yes it is :/
10:56<AxeBlaze>?
10:56<annadane>hi AxeBlaze
10:56<Jonny>:(
10:56<AxeBlaze>hi
10:57<AxeBlaze>this is my first time on a chat u?
10:57<amacater>ah, OK - how can we help you?
10:57<orion>So, I've been trying to subscribe to a bug by email, specifically, this one: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=882845. I seem to remember that it used to be that all I had to do was send an email to 882845-subscribe@bugs.debian.org from the email address I want to subscribe, and then I'd get a confirmation email I needed to reply to. But I've tried multiple times over two weeks from two different emails and no
10:57<AxeBlaze>oh i just joined cause im bored
10:57<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/882845 in thunderbird (open): «thunderbird: Thunderbird don’t want send email»; severity: important; opened: 2017-11-27; last modified: 2017-12-13.
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10:57<Jonny>annadane: Ah ok thanks. ill have a glance at it
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10:58<AxeBlaze>is it possible to change my kano's dashboard background?
10:58<Jonny>annadane: a lot of stuff i won't recognise , i'm very fresh to the Linux / Debian expeirence lol
10:59<tt>orion: that's not a stupid question!
10:59<annadane>i'm actually not really sure if debian has a "beginner's guide", i've never seen it linked
10:59<AxeBlaze>can i change my dashboard background?
10:59<Jonny>annadane: We need a Debian Stretch for Dummies book!
10:59<orion>@tt: Heh, for all I knew, it was. :D
11:00<annadane>is kano a part of debian?
11:00<tt>is there a BTS channel?
11:00<Jonny>does redshift app dim the screen as well as do red-shift?
11:01<annadane>well there's #debian-bugs
11:01<orion>What I need is the bug-tracking system for the bug-tracking system.
11:01<AxeBlaze>can i change the background on my kano from clouds to something else?
11:01<orion>:P
11:02<annadane>AxeBlaze, again, is kano part of debian? or is this just random software you're asking about
11:02<annadane>,v kano
11:02<judd>No package named 'kano' was found in amd64.
11:02<Jonny>Does redshift have a GUI lol?
11:02<annadane>Jonny, redshift-gtk
11:02<annadane>redshift by itself is just a CLI tool
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11:02<blast007>Jonny: I can't recall all what you can change, but there is a config file you can tweak that has various settings. I don't believe there's a GUI that does more than enable/disable the effects completely.
11:02<Jonny>annadane: oh i see thanks
11:02<amacater>Kano - a Raspberry Pi derivative, I think. Everything packaged in one box :)
11:03<annadane>(you don't need to install both; redshift is a dependency of redshift-gtk by definition so if you install gtk it also pulls in redshift)
11:03<Jonny>blast007: ah ok nice one.
11:05<amacater>AxeBlaze - Kano is using a Raspberry Pi 3 and custom software
11:05<amacater>!raspbian
11:05<dpkg>Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/
11:06<amacater>Since I don't have a Kano kit, I can't help further
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11:07<orion>Hm, seems nobody's home in #debian-bugs
11:07<amacater>world.kano.me might be able to help more
11:07<orion>(Unless I'm just bad at using IRC, which is a distinct possibility --- I don't use it much.)
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11:07<knc>hola
11:07<annadane>!es
11:07<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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11:07<annadane>knc, ^
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11:08<annadane>oh dear. the character sets are still messed up
11:08<tt>orion: I couldn't think of anything to suggest, that should work. For IRC support, though, particularly in slower channels, you should idle in the channel. sometimes people come by hours later and see your question. you can re-ask it every few hours / 1 or 2 times/day, depending on how much part/join traffic you see.
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11:08<knc>hello
11:08<amacater>knc: how can we help?
11:08<orion>Thx, tt. Will do.
11:08<tt>orion: def. don't be that guy who asks a question and is gone before we can give an answer 5 minutes later :)
11:09<annadane>^^^^^^^^^^
11:09<orion>Understood.
11:09<annadane>every time you do that, a puppy dies
11:09<tt>it kills me inside to know the answer and not be able to talk to the asker
11:10<annadane>i guess there _is_ memoserv...
11:10<orion>Are there logs anywhere for these channels? I'm on a laptop and may need to log out at a certain point. (IRC n00b)
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11:10<annadane>!irclog
11:10<dpkg>rumour has it, irclog is #debian on <freenode> is logged at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23debian/ , #debian on <OFTC> is logged at http://irclogs.thegrebs.com/debian/
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11:11<mikegrb>rumor has it, the box running irclogs.thegrebs.com is named orion
11:11<orion>Heh.
11:12<annadane>though from experience i actually think the logs are a few days out of date
11:12<orion>Looks like the thegrebs one is pretty current.
11:12<annadane>oh never mind
11:13<annadane>yeah for whatever reason the one on freenode looks to be REALLY out of date, whereas oftc has messages from today
11:14<annadane>huh, oftc logs are live, apparently. i can see my messages right now as i type them
11:14<orion>Anyway, this is good. Thank you all. :)
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11:15<annadane>...and that's the most activity OFTC will get for the next month. :)
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11:55<jhutchins>orion: Docs say that <bugnumber>-subscribe@bugs.debian.org should work - https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer#subscribe
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11:56<jhutchins>orion: Spam filter?
11:56<orion>jhutchins: Good thought, but I checked my spam folders and tried from two different email addresses administered by different people.
11:57<orion>Any chance somebody else can try subscribing to that bug (or any bug, really) and confirm that the system is indeed working?
11:58<tt>I will. Which bug # ?
11:59<orion>Hm. I suppose another possibility is that my outgoing messages are being blocked or dropped somehow, given that I'm using a mail client affected by that bug... Guess I could try sending with a different client.
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12:00<tda>i can try guerrillamail
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12:01<tda>what bug?
12:05<grummund>Can a user have their own local crontab which can be trivially backed up like any other file?
12:06<grawity>all crontabs are files in the end
12:06<grawity>they live under /var/spool/cron
12:06<grummund>yes and not user readable/editable.
12:08<grawity>sure they are; run `crontab -e`
12:08<grawity>I mean that's the whole point of that directory
12:09<grummund>ok. sorry to be clear, i mean and trivially backed up like any other file?
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12:09<somiaj>I don't think we know what you mean, it is a file, it can be backed up like any other file?
12:10<orion>tt: 882845
12:10<grummund>somiaj: not by the user it can't.
12:10<grawity>as in "without root privileges, and without running 'crontab > foo.cron'"?
12:11<grawity>not with debian's stock cron implementation, no
12:11<grawity>use systemd --user timers if you want something like that
12:11<grummund>unless they do "crontab -l > mybackup"
12:12<tt>orion: sent from gmail; nothing yet.
12:12<grummund>basically it's a process, whereas a simple file can be swept up by whatever backup is in place, svn etc...
12:12<orion>tt: Thanks. i have just tried another client too.
12:13*grummund looks at systemd timers
12:13<tda>drwx-wx--T 2 root   crontab 4096 May 26  2017 crontabs
12:13<tt>orion: if you're sending with blank subject and/or body, you might try putting some junk in both
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12:13<orion>tt: I did try it a few different ways earlier (with/without subject/body). *shrug*
12:14<tt>perhaps it is just broke :/
12:14<orion>Yeah, that's what I'm starting to wonder.
12:15<orion>In which case, it would be good if whoever administers it knows. I sent an email to owner@bugs.debian.org a day or so ago, but, given the holiday, there's no way to know whether I haven't heard back because it wasn't received or because they're not checking their email obsessively. :P
12:16<tda>tried to subscribe to 882845 with guerrillamail now
12:16<orion>thx, @tda
12:16<somiaj>grummund: you could change the permisions if you wanted, but you have to be careful if you don't want one user to read another users crontrab.
12:16<pron>grawity: not everyting is in /var/spool/cron
12:16<orion>Gonna try subscribing to a different bug in a different package just for kicks.
12:17<pron>stuff that lives /etc isnt there :P
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12:17<tt>orion: ah, was in the process; now I don't have to :)
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12:18<grawity>ah yeah, I suppose you could create user-writable files under /etc/cron.d/ then
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12:19<orion>Okay, just tried with this one too: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=538088
12:19<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/538088 in xournal (open): «XInput not properly aligned after screen rotation»; severity: normal; opened: 2009-07-22; last modified: 2011-06-30.
12:20<pron>but the correct way to do that , if unprivilege duser has to edit cronted , do it with crontab -e, and pre backup crontal -l > file
12:20<pron>or with priviliged user i would go with files in /etc
12:20<pron>cron.d
12:20<tda>orion: am i supposed to get a confirmation email? or just something when the bug is updated?
12:20<tt>you should get a confirmation
12:20<grummund>it's a single user system (me). i have a backup method in place already, it does allow hooks for special, cases but mainly it's just a text list of files so if i could just add a user crontab to that then job done.
12:20<orion>tda: What tt said.
12:20<jhutchins>tda: according to the link posted earlier.
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12:21<somiaj>grummund: you could also setup a crontab for the user that backups the crontab before running the normal user backup. Or consider that backuping up crontabs is the system admins job, not the users, various ways to go about this.
12:22<pron>grummund: you can keeo your users crontab in file, and reload it with crontab <file> , that lets you back it up
12:22<somiaj>grummund: note there are other things a user cannot read by default, so backing up a system as a normal user will always miss somethings, crontab just maybe the one you care about, so adjust your backup to deal with it.
12:22<pron>but i found it to be unconvinient ( have seen ppl who do that )
12:22<grummund>actually the backup *is* a system backup (although some user files included) so is it ok to simply backup and restore /var/spool/crontab ?
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12:23<somiaj>yes backuping up and restroing /var/spool/crontab (with correct permisions) will restore all users crontabs, root just has to do this, not the user.
12:23<tda>you probably want /etc, too, but fstab and grub config on a restore
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12:23<tda>*note fstab, grub on restore
12:24<pron>grummund: if your backup system can read /var/spool/cron
12:24<pron>yo are fine
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12:30<tda>still no conf on either bug subscription
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12:34<grummund>drwx-wx--T 2 root crontab 4096 Dec 27 17:01 crontabs
12:34<grummund>that is some weird permissions.
12:35<mnuhmnuh>can root crontab -l $USER/...?
12:36<grawity>+T so that the `crontab` tool (being setgid to :crontab) couldn't be tricked into deleting someone else's table
12:36<grawity>kinda like /tmp
12:37<grummund>group writeable and not readable.
12:37<tt>yup
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12:41<orion>Okay, I just got a confirmation email from the other bug I tried.
12:42<somiaj>grummund: part of this is to keep users from reading other users crontab files.
12:42<orion>(538088, that is)
12:42<somiaj>grummund: it is a directroy, you don't need to be able to read a directory to both get inside the directory (exectuable) and write stuff to the directory.
12:43<somiaj>orion: did it just take a while? I have had others say replys from the BTS seemed a bit long, maybe there was some backlog ont he BTS mail queue.
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12:43<jhutchins>"Multiple security issues have been found in the Mozilla Thunderbird mail client including information leaks, unintended JavaScript execution and sender address spoofing." - they're just figuring that out now?
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12:44<somiaj>jhutchins: was that a recent DSA?
12:44<orion>It took a few minutes, but the original bug I was attempting to subscribe to (882845) has given me no responses at all to multiple subscription requests over the course of two weeks.
12:44<orion>somiaj: ^^^^
12:45<mnuhmnuh>jhutchins: i'm with you. this is old stuff. they should have understood it.
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12:46<jhutchins>somiaj: Yeah, just came in on the security list. Supposedly applies to wheezy.
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12:47<mnuhmnuh>they shoulda stuck w mutt.
12:47<somiaj>jhutchins: ahh I'm not on the security list, just DSA's. I woudln't expect wheezy to have secuirty updates for desktop stuff.
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12:48<somiaj>but usually they know about the issues before they make an annoucment, which usually comes with a fix, or an annoucment that security support has ended for this version.
12:49<jhutchins>Can someone give me a link on how to activate a roundcube plugin from the Debian packages as opposed to pulling it from git with composer?
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13:24<orion>Hm, just noticed this in the /topic of #debian-bugs: "This topic is buggy | the bugs.d.o hosts are being upgraded to stretch]". Wonder if that's related to my subscription problem.
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13:35<orion>Incidentally, I just got my second subscription confirmation for bug 538088. [The first email in the sequence actually requires me to reply to it to make the subscription actually happen, the second confirms that it happened.] So at least some bug subscriptions are working normally.
13:35<orion>(Just not the one I want!)
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13:35<annadane>i also suspect that the mailing lists just don't work all that well
13:35<annadane>i've had issues
13:36<orion>This is the first time I've ever had problems beyond a little bit of slowness. And I've been subscribing to bugs for years.
13:36<annadane>yeah, but what you say about stretch upgrades is probably true
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13:37<orion>Any idea how I can find out when those will be/are done?
13:37<tt>the mtime on that topic is August
13:37<orion>Oh, heh. So maybe not that then. Or if, so, the upgrades are taking a while... :D
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13:42<humam>hi
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13:43<annadane>hi humam
13:43<humam>word itsnie to be with you again because it snowed and avery late MERRY HRISTMAS
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13:44<humam>hi annadane im HUMAN
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13:45<oem>tt--I don't know if you remember me, but you helped me briefly somewhere around December 10th to install Debian. Your suggestion to try to enable legacy boot mode was the key that after six hours of working on installing, finally got me through to the Debian installer.
13:46<tt>nice! although, I think it was someone else's suggestion, I just insisted it was a good idea :)
13:46<oem>I consider you to be a really good helper, because you were the first to figure that out that I needed legacy boot. Thanks!
13:47<oem>oh, ok. But anyway, I was in a sea of suggestions, and i didn't know what to try first, so still helpful
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13:48<amacater>All good if people here can help :)
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13:50<oem>I wanted to go back on the channel to tell you all that I'd gotten through to the Debian installer, but the install on that computer had other issues, so now I'm trying on a different computer.
13:51<oem>On an Acer spin, I got the message "security boot fail" when I try to install using a DVD
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13:52<amacater>OK - turn off secure boot then try again.
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13:52<orion>Anyway, going offline for now, but I will check the logs later to see if anybody's got any new thoughts about this bug subscription issue. Thanks all.
13:53<amacater>Debian doesn't (currently) support secure boot. Probably a setting in base setup - access via one of Del / F1 / F2
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13:55<oem>Thanks amacater, powering up to try looking at it again
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14:05<TandyUK>anyone faimilar with building isos?
14:06<PaulePanter>Hi. Logitech, Inc. QuickCam Chat is the USB Webcam that is connected, but despite working in Cheese (GNOME) the browser don’t pick it up.
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14:06<PaulePanter>So WebRTC is hard to use, https://appr.tc for example or https://test.webrtc.org.
14:06<PaulePanter>Any ideas? Debian 9.3 is used.
14:06<TandyUK>im trying to do an auto deployment cd (using simple-cdd), but once iso is built and i boot from it, it just sits there at the initial boot menu asking whether to do install, graphical install, etc and waiting for enter to be pressed
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14:09<blast007>PaulePanter: have you tried both Firefox and Chromium?
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14:11<mehmet>wine
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14:11<PaulePanter>blast007: Yes, it doesn’t work in both. In Chromium the browser doesn’t even ask me to grant permission to use the Webcam, and it Firefox granting permission, the dialog pops up again.
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14:15<tda>does ssh have a place to put the local settings overrides? like the .d directories other services have?
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14:30<oem>When I hit F2 repeatidly to go into the setup utility on my Acer Spin SP111-31 and then go to security, and then go down to secure boot mode and select "Yes" I want to "Erase all Secure Boot Setting" then when I press F10 to save and exit, then the screen goes black and then "acer" comes on the screen and it just freezes like that indefinitely
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14:31<oem>I'm trying to install debian on my acer spin
14:32<tda>Erase all secure boot settings? so secure boot is still on or messed up?
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14:34<oem>I assumed that if I select that "yes" I want to erase all secure boot settings that secure boot would no longer be on. Prior to making this selection, when I tried to install Debian by booting from the DVD drive, I received the message "security boot fail"
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14:36<oem>Maybe secure boot is still on though, because if I turn the computer off and back on again, without changing any settings, I again get the message: "security boot fail"
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14:39<somiaj>erasing the settings I think just gets rid of any custom keys you may have had, that may not be the same as turnning it off
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14:42<oem>oh, thanks somiaj. So I'm trying instead to make a selection from the boot drop down menu instead of from the security drop down menu.
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14:51<oem>I went to the boot menu and selected disable secure boot. I no longer get the message secure boot fail when I turn the computer off and back on again to try to load from the DVD drive, but the screen still freezes on startup, only saying "acer"
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14:52<tda>pain in the acer
14:52<oem>lol
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14:52<tda>is there a button for a boot menu? I tihnk on mine its del
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14:53<annadane>i guess it's generally f12 or f10 but i really have no clue
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14:53<oem>I see a Del button on the top right of my keyboard, so I'll turn it off again and mash it on startup?
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14:54<annadane>secure boot. what a wonderful invention
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14:54<amacater>F12 is often the boot menu
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14:55<annadane>right but you probably have to mash it
14:55<tda>it really is. i wish foss community would take it and tpm more seriously.
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14:55<tda>brb
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14:58<oem>tda, what's brb? I mashed the del button and boot and it just went to the acer screen. I'm turning it off and back on again and mashing F2, which takes me to the boot manager
14:58<oem>sorry I mean F12 takes me to boot manager
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14:58<annadane>oem, "be right back"
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14:59<oem>ok annadane
14:59<somiaj>oem: what are you trying to boot exactly?
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14:59<oem>I'm trying to boot debian xfce, this time it is a disc bought from OS disc
15:00<somiaj>debian xfce? and install or some image you downlaoded? I don't know what OS disc is.
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15:02<oem>OS disc is a place where you can purchase linux distributions. yes, so it's is an disc to install Debian. it appears that the boot manager only gives me options as to what device I would like to boot from
15:03<amacater>OK, so at that point you should be able to boot from DVD
15:03<somiaj>do you have a thumbdrive around?
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15:04<somiaj>oem: and if you select boot from dvd/cd it doesn't work?
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15:04<oem>oh, I forgot, the first time I burned Debian, when I burned it, it was to a cd, so now I'm using the dvd that I bought instead, so on the boot option manager, I'm changing the order so that the first is from the DVD image. I do also have thumb drive with debian cinnamon on it.
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15:06<oem>I bought the usb drive with debian cinnamon pre-installed
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15:09<HELLO23>how are you?
15:09<amacater>!ask
15:09<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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15:11<omg>HELLO???????
15:11<omg>ANYBODY HERE?
15:12<omg>AFNOBODY?
15:12<annadane>no. nobody is here in a help channel
15:12<omg>andi-?
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15:12<omg>hi baby flakes
15:13<omg>hello???
15:13<annadane>omg, stop spamming and ask your support question
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15:15<omg>My computer keeps showing "static" on the screen. Is that normal?
15:15<oem>I selected to boot from a DVD imaage on the boot manager. I turned the computer off and back on, and the screen is still frozen at "acer" saying nothing before or after.
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15:16<annadane>ok. i don't know the answer to your problem, but for future reference please stop yelling "IS ANYBODY HERE" in help channels
15:16<annadane>asking your question is much faster
15:16<A3>i didnt know that was a help channel tho
15:16<annadane>well, there's still 700+ people here. but whatever.
15:17<somiaj>A3: it shouldn't be. It could be a bad monintor, or even the cord that connects the monintor to the screen. It could possibliy be the driver, but I would say more likely the monintor.
15:17<A3>Ok...
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15:18<A3>Can I make a channel on XChat?
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15:19<oem>I'm trying to install Debian from a DVD. I went back to the boot menu. When I'm selecting the boot order, do I place "EFI File Boot 0: DVD imagae" as the first in the boot order?
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15:20<annadane>you can probably just type /join <channel> and if it doesn't exist it will be created
15:20<annadane>and then i don't remember what you have to do to make it a permanent channel; you can probably /msg chanserv help
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15:21<annadane>well, i think if you're in the boot menu you can just select the dvd and it will start the installer?
15:21<A3>oem, What type of computer are you on?
15:22<oem>thanks annadane. Acer Spin SP111-31
15:22<A3>'cause idk what a boot menu is or a boot order
15:22<somiaj>oem: the only thing I see is I don't know how these boot images you have were made. If you had a thumbdrive you could destory the data on, I would suggest making one yourself. Really all you should need to do is disable secure boot and boot off the medium. Note it if the boot mediums only support legacy boot, you'll have to turn legacy boot on.
15:22<A3>hello
15:23<A3>hello
15:23<A3>hello
15:23<A3>hello
15:23<blast007>A3: please stop
15:23<A3>ok
15:23<A3>ok
15:23<A3>ok
15:23<A3>ok
15:23<A3>ok
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15:24<annadane>oh, right. yours is a special case
15:24<annadane>i took it as just another generic question
15:25<oem>from the boot priority menu, what is the 8th option: "EFI file boot 1: Yes"
15:26<somiaj>efi boots from efi files, I'm unsure what efi file that is actually pointing at though
15:26<blast007>oem: is "network boot" enabled in your UEFI setup util?
15:27<blast007>sounds like someone was having the same sort of problem with Ubuntu (was booting to the Acer logo with a flashing underscore in the top corner) and they had to enable Network Boot and the F12 Boot Menu
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15:29<oem>blast007: There's a section titled Boot Priority order. It says the fifth one is Network Boot-IPV4:
15:29<blast007>but is there a setting elsewhere that enables/disables network boot?
15:29<oem>I'm not sure if I'm in the UEFI setup util though blast007
15:31<oem>I found it blast007. Network boot is currently not enabled. I'll enable it now and return in a few minutes.
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15:36<oem>blast007, you were right, I needed to enable network boot. Thank you so much blast007 and thank you so much everyone, annadene, somiaj, b7, tt, everyone.
15:36<annadane>i did literally nothing but you're welcome
15:36<oem>it is working now! Who hooo!
15:36<blast007>welcome to badly written firmware :)
15:38<somiaj>yea, that was not intunitive at all, hmm lets turn on network booting to boot from a dvd.
15:38<blast007>well, it's an Acer...
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15:41<tda>they're not much better with windows
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15:54<jhutchins>oem: The BIOS/EFI menus aren't standardized, every manufacturer does them differently, and often on different models/versions of the same equipment.
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15:55<jhutchins>I was working on one recently that, during the process, lost the option of USB drives from the boot order menu.
15:55<jhutchins>(It was a CMOS BIOS model.)
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16:03<oem>the acer spin SP111-31, just like the HP stream, apparently needs non-free firmware to run, and during the install process, they are both unable to detect network interfaces. There's a tutorial about installing Debian on an HP Stream on DebianWiki, which mentions the non-free firmware problem, so I'll just read the tutorial and go from there
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16:05<annadane>well, there's a non-free firmware image
16:05<annadane>oem, ^
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16:07<oem>I'll try the non-free firmware image.
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16:07<blast007>!firmware image
16:07<dpkg>Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ and ask me about <install guide>.
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16:11<oem>ok
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17:17<orion>Reupping my question from this morning:
17:18<orion>I've been trying to subscribe to bug 882845 by email for the past two weeks, with two different email addresses and various combinations of subject line/body, and the confirmation email never arrives. I have successfully subscribed to another bug in this time, so the problem seems to be specific to that bug number.
17:18<orion>(And, no, it's not ending up in my spam folder.)
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17:23<annadane>check your sp- oh
17:23<annadane>;)
17:24<orion>:P
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17:28<A1>What is the identify command?
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17:28<petn-randall>A1: /msg nickserv help identify
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17:41<k4t>Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: Debian 9.3 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU U9600 @ 1.60GHz (800MHz) • Memory: 4.7 GiB Total (3.6 GiB Free) • Storage: 205.8 GB / 253.0 GB (47.2 GB Free) • VGA: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller @ Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Memory Controller Hub • Uptime: 3d 1h 56m 4s
17:44<traumschule>how can one disable the sound for gnome-screenshot?
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18:02<ellie>how do you display that system information k4t?
18:03<ellie>is that a script? I'm using hexchat too
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18:11<somiaj>ellie: most likely a script, but scripts like that will get you banned here, as it is just noise.
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18:12<ellie>I figured, but I'm curious
18:12<ellie>I have not scripted in years
18:13<somiaj>https://github.com/hexchat/documentation/blob/master/addons.rst
18:13<somiaj>seems hexchat might have this built in, check :menuslection Window -> Display System Info
18:13<somiaj>scroll down to sysinfo, unsure if the one you saw was the built in one or some custom one
18:15<ellie>Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: Debian 9.2 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 950 @ 3.07GHz (1.60GHz) • Memory: Physical: 11.5 GiB Total (8.6 GiB Free) Swap: 11.7 GiB Total (11.7 GiB Free) • Storage: 55.2 GB / 395.9 GB (340.7 GB Free) • VGA: NVIDIA Corporation GM206 [GeForce GTX 960] @ Intel Corporation Xeon 5500/Core i7 QuickPath Architecture System Address Decoder • Uptime: 4h 4m 56s
18:15<ellie>ok it works
18:15<ellie>haha
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18:18<somiaj>ellie: in the future please test this stuff elsewhere, #flood is a good place
18:18<ellie>sure :)
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18:20<ellie>what is the easiest way to update to debian 9.3 without reinstalling?
18:20<somiaj>have you been regurally running apt upgrade to keep up on security updates?
18:21<somiaj>ust apt update && apt upgrade (the only difference is mainly security updates and some bug fixes)
18:21<somiaj>!point release
18:21<dpkg>Point releases are updates to <stable> and <oldstable>, fixing security and grave bug fixes. There are no point releases for Debian 9 "Stretch" yet. You can upgrade to the latest point release by referencing a Debian <mirror> in /etc/apt/sources.list, then "apt update && apt full-upgrade". See <8.8>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases/PointReleases.
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18:22<annadane>well...
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18:25<somiaj>aaaaaa: do you have a debian support question
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18:25<somiaj>annadane: I figured out how to update the bot! since that factoid was outdated.
18:25<magyar>hi trying to use logrotate for file rotation. is it possible to pass a variable to olddir?
18:25<annadane>so ping you 50 times every time the bot needs fixing, got it
18:26<somiaj>or you could learn to update the bot. I have to figure it out each time, as I don't do it that often.
18:26<annadane>oh i thought only ops could do it
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18:28<somiaj>annadane: regular users can get access too, unsure on the details though. I rarely fix things on the bot.
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18:30<ellie>yeah at least daily
18:31<somiaj>ellie: you should already have the updates, so i'm surprised your system isn't registering as 9.3. what does 'cat /etc/debian_version' say?
18:32<ql-500>somiaj, this debian channel is very quiet at the moment
18:33<somiaj>ql-500: it happens, sometimes it goes hours and hours without anyone needing support.
18:34<somiaj>which is okay, that is partly why we like to keep people on topic, so if someone talks in the channel and we notice it, we switch over and see it is actual support, not just noise.
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18:34<rock_>hi I am looking for help on installing debian 9.3.0
18:35<somiaj>rock_: have you read the install guide? What problems are you having?
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18:37<rock_>I have downloaded the iso and burnt to a usb. When I run the installer I get up to the 'detect and mount cd-rom' stage and get an error: "Error reading release file". I can manually mount the cdrom from here but then the install gets stuck on the 'package manager' stage.
18:38<somiaj>how did you burn the iso to usb? what software did you use?
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18:38<rock_>i used dd
18:38<ql-500>somiaj, i see. thank you.
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18:39<rock_>I checked the cheksum and verified image. have tried different usb sticks.
18:40<somiaj>rock_: just to check can you give the exact debian iso you are using and the exact dd command you typed?
18:41<amacater>also - what model/make of computer ?
18:41<rock_>debian-live-9.3.0-amd64-gnome+nonfree.iso
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18:41<rock_>sudo dd if=debian-live-9.3.0-amd64-gnome+nonfree.iso of=/dev/sdd bs=4M status=progress && sync
18:41<amacater>Try using the installer .iso rather than the live
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18:42<amacater>Also - try not specifying a block size
18:42<rock_>im using an amd ryzen 5
18:42<somiaj>rock_: cp is the suggested tool in the install guide, but everything looks fine, though if the goal is to install debian, the offical installers are suggested over the live images.
18:42<somiaj>!firmware image
18:42<dpkg>Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ and ask me about <install guide>.
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18:44<amacater>so firmware-9.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso / firmware-9.3.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso
18:44<rock_>I have tried both nonfree and free versions, net installer. full iso versions. the 'gnome.iso' was the last on I tried hence the dd paste command.
18:45<rock_>*last one
18:46<somiaj>rock_: Not sure what is going on, everything looks just fine. But try a netinstaller and use cp as one last test, though I don't know how much difference this will make.
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18:46<somiaj>rock_: do you have any other usb devices or a cdrom plugged in during the install?
18:47<somiaj>rock_: asl amd ryzen 5 is the cpu, is this a custom built desktop or some laptop?
18:47<amacater>dd if=firmware-9.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdb [where sdb is the USB stick]
18:47<rock_>oh yes there is another iso plugged in on a seperate usdb
18:47<somiaj>or just cp firmware-9.3.0-amd64-netinstall.iso /dev/sdb
18:47<somiaj>rock_: sometimes this causes the installer problems finding the right device.
18:47<amacater>So take any other usb stick out
18:48<rock_>yes i will try that
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18:48<amacater>And if need be, hit F12 or whatever is the override to the boot manager and make sure that you're then booting from the USB
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18:49<rock_>I have never has an issue with installing in the past using netinstall and dd . I reinstall every couple weeks on different machines.
18:49<rock_>thank you all for your suggestions. I will try these methods out
18:50<rock_>really appreciate the help
18:50<somiaj>rock_: yea everything looks fine, at this time I'm guessing it is an issue with having a second usb stick plugged in
18:51<rock_>never had a problem in the past. but will definitely try without other usb plugged in now.
18:52<rock_>if I find the fault do you want me to report back here? or dont care?
18:53<somiaj>your choice, we offer support but info doesn't nesicarally flow to the debian devs from here
18:53<rock_>ok thanks
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19:08<rock_>it was the other usb device plugged in which had a different distro on it.
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19:41<ghostnik11>quick question: can i run this script in ubuntu and debian since ubuntu is based off of debian, its a script to give me adjustment of my brightness
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19:42<ghostnik11>https://pastebin.com/Vj5PkieU
19:43<somiaj>it is just using xrandr which should be present in both, if using xorg
19:44<somiaj>might not work with waylend.
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19:49<Brigo>what is the pourpouse of hash? that is new for me. I would use which.
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20:01<Brigo>ok, hassh test if the program is in the $PATH. Nice.
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20:13<jmmy>Hi, what is the package name for the file manager that open when you try to open a file from the browser(attach) or other programs. Not thunar or nautilus, must be some other package name. Cause mine is messed up by backports so I want to purge and re-install. Doing purge/re-install fixed a lot of apps looking very plain, but I have this one to go.
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20:14<jmmy>I have xfce btw
20:16<jmmy>I'm gonna try gnome and xfce
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20:29<j_>I lost my driver for my video card it seems, cause my dual monitoring isn't workng anymore it seems
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20:30<j_>And I can't remember how installed in the first place. I guess I gotta do lspci and then apt-cache search for that vendor, anyone know of the top of their head and can walk me through?
20:32<j_>VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (
20:34<j_>gonna install xserver-xorg-video-intel
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20:36<j_>ok gonna reboot now, ttyl, anyone, brb actually, I meant
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20:40<j_>ok that did, cool, i was worried, thx guys
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20:44<j_>whats the sound mixer called alsamixer/
20:46<j_>openning files is still messed up, not only does it not look right, no margins/paddins in ui, but also it does't get updated, doesn't show recent files,
20:46<j_>like there are files I see in the filemanager but when i goto browser I do file->open I do not see them
20:49<ellie>somiaj,
20:49<ellie>eleanor@misty:~$ cat /etc/debian_version
20:49<ellie>9.2
20:50<ellie>sorry for the late response. I was having supper
20:51<somiaj>ellie: well just apt update and apt upgrade, if that doesn't upgrade you to 9.3, we can make sure you have online sources set up.
20:51<ellie>hold on
20:51<ellie>yeah that{s what I was going to do
20:51<ellie>35%
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20:52<ellie>having upgraded to 100mbps broadband was a good investment after all
20:52<ellie>hehe
20:52<somiaj>j_: alsamixer is only if you are not using pulse. there are various tools, pavucontrol is a desktop independent one
20:52<somiaj>(tools for pulse)
20:53<ellie>Processing triggers for menu (2.1.47+b1) ...
20:53<ellie>root@misty:/home/eleanor# cat /etc/debian_version
20:53<ellie>9.3
20:53<ellie>root@misty:/home/eleanor#
20:53<ellie>bingo ;3 thank you somiaj
20:55<j_>somiaj, oh yes I see,thx
20:56<j_>I am gonna do purge google-chrome-stable, and re-install, I tried in inkscape to open a file and it look fine there, so I think it was just chrome
20:57<j_>No, happens in firefox too, maybe I need to purge and re-install it too though
20:59<somiaj>what happens?
21:00<j_>the file manager has not margins/padding, looks very plain and hard to use
21:00<j_>also, newer files are not showing up
21:01<somiaj>do you know what widget set this is, it might be gtk2 theme if it also affects firefox
21:01<j_>somiaj, ok so i will purge gtk2 and gtk3 and re-install gtk3
21:02<j_>gtk2-engines
21:03<somiaj>configs for themes are usally in $HOME and that won't help much
21:03<somiaj>I would just double check the themes you are using, another thing you can do to see if it some config/theme issue is try a new user.
21:04<j_>somiaj, oh i see, ok I will try, I have to logout/
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21:10<Guest623>somiaj, you were right, things look a lot nicer with a new user, but that same issue persists even for new user. How can I refresh things for my current user?
21:10<Guest623>it me j, and Guest623 was me too
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21:11<jmmy>hi
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21:11<jmmy>I'll just delete any directory mentioning gtk, gnome, xfce4, chrome,... They will be recreated for me I hope.
21:16<somiaj>the config files are hidden filenames that start with a ., you can move/backup/delete the ones you think are affecting this
21:16<jmmy>somiaj, thx, ok I will try it
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21:19<jmmy>somiaj, that did it, it is like a new user, but the view is still plain, no margins/padding, but at not showing new files isn't happing, I am thinking maybe that one thing was never an issue I just didn't see it last time.
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21:21<somiaj>you could try changing the theme that is being used? What de are you using? what version of debian is this?
21:22<jmmy>somiaj, it is current stable
21:23<somiaj>and desktop enviorment?
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21:31<ute1>hi all - installed stretch on a Macbook 2007 3,1 broadcom bcm 4321 14e4:4328 configured broadcom-wl per wiki. Can connect to wireless network but connection speed is near zero. wl module is loaded; b43 b44 etc blacklisted and not loaded; any ideas?
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21:42<ellie>no idea ute1
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21:45<ute1>ha thx anyway ellie - always the damn wireless...
21:45<somiaj>ute1: do you see any errors in dmesg that looke like they are related to that driver?
21:46<ute1>how do i check dmesg
21:46<somiaj>type dmesg
21:46<somiaj>you might have to be root to do this by default now in debian
21:48<ute1>got it, thx. I see ERROR @wl_notify_scan_status: wls4 Scan_results error (-22)
21:48<somiaj>that might nont be related to why it is slow, unless you see a lot of it
21:49<somiaj>you can also check the output of 'iw' see if you are correct assoicated to the access point, if you have lots of errors like that, google might help
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21:50<ute1>no, only a few of them, maybe on reboots
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21:56<ute1>checked 'iw wls4 info' and the ssid is correct
21:56<ute1>no help from googling Scan_results error (-22)
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21:58<somiaj>does iw give you just the current status of the card, and if it is assoicated with the ap?
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21:59<somiaj>anyways, unsure what it could be
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22:02<ute1>iw says ifindex 3 wdev 0x1 addr 00:1e:52:81:bc:71 ssid [correct network name] type managed wiphy 0 txpower 200.00 dBm
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22:14<jmmy>somiaj, sorry, got side tracked, I am using xfce4
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23:55<doctor>hi, I have this package called p7zip-rar which is non-free
23:56<doctor>everytime I try to install it it becomes a bbroken package
23:56<doctor>how can I install it so it can work?
23:56<somiaj>where did you get this package?
23:57<doctor>https://packages.debian.org/jessie/p7zip-rar
23:57<somiaj>did you download it or add non-free repos to your install?
23:57<somiaj>are you running debian jessie?
23:57<doctor>jessie and I just downloadedd it
23:57<somiaj>you should be able to apt install p7zip-rar after you add non-free to your sources.list
23:57<somiaj>!non-free
23:57<dpkg>[non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/
23:57<somiaj>!non-free sources
23:57<dpkg>Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
23:58<somiaj>doctor: let apt take care of the dependcies for you this way.
23:58<doctor>ok
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