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#debian IRC Logs for 2018-01-05

---Logopened Fri Jan 05 00:00:24 2018
---Daychanged Fri Jan 05 2018
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00:17-!-carnil is "Salvatore Bonaccorso" on #debian-next #debian-gnupg #debian-systemd #debian-lts #debian-www #debconf #debian-ctte #debian-boot #debian-science #debian-ftp #debian-bugs #pet-devel #kgb-devel #debian-it #debian-perl #alioth #debian-devel-changes #debian.ch #debian
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00:27-!-bony is "Bhuvan Krishna,,," on @#eswecha @#swecha #freedombox @#balaswecha #debian
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00:39-!-bony is "Bhuvan Krishna,,," on @#eswecha @#swecha #freedombox @#balaswecha #debian
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00:50-!-bolt is "-" on #awesome #virt #debian-next #debian #sd #oftc #qemu #suckless
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03:50-!-heroux is "heroux" on #lyx #debian-systemd #virt #awesome #feh #debian-reproducible #debian-next #debian-apt #debian-bugs #debian-meeting #debian
03:51<sep>is there an overview somewhere showing what kernel package versions contains the meltdown fix for different debian versions ?
03:55<sep>found this version on the mailinglist 4.9.65-3+deb9u2 for stretch, seems it is the only one available yet
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04:21<targz>Hi, which Debian linux-image packages contain the KPTI patches?
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04:26<yetoo>Does the mousepad editor support ssh protocol?
04:26<sep>targz, https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2017-5754 4.9.65-3+deb9u2
04:28<targz>Thanks
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04:40<yetoo>Because I'm trying to access a file with sftp and it's just opening a blank unitlted document
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06:51<user0>Following issue:https://paste.debian.net/1003584/
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06:53<user0>My terminal inpuut for that: LC_ALL=C evolution; receiving Error sending IPC message: Connection reset by peer .
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07:07<EmleyMoor>Are there any smart IP set management tools available either in Debian or that could be installed locally on a Debian system?
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07:17<duclicsic>EmleyMoor: what do you mean by smart? what do you want it to do?
07:18<EmleyMoor>duclicsic: Take a given list of IPs, automatically weed out the ones already in a given set, and then for each one in the list show any "close" ones in the set (the degree of how close should potentially be adjustable)
07:19<duclicsic>i doubt such a thing exists, you'd have to make it yourself
07:19<EmleyMoor>As I feared...
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07:19<duclicsic>i mean, weeding out duplicates is simple enough
07:20<duclicsic>but matching nearby IPs is a little more involved
07:20<EmleyMoor>I know, I get more than a little involved in it
07:22<duclicsic>if you just want to take a list of prefixes and simplify it down to the shortest possible list, e.g. combine 2x /32 into a valid /31, the cli app "netmask" is quite good
07:22<duclicsic>that should weed out any prefixes contained entirely within others too
07:22<EmleyMoor>duclicsic: I regularly run my biggest set through "aggregate", although to work around its bugs that needs a step in vi
07:23<duclicsic>hmm i've never come across that one
07:23<duclicsic>both appear to support only ipv4.. tut.
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07:24<EmleyMoor>IPv4 is by far my biggest bind
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07:27<hiq[m]>hi, is there a security-tracker for backports? https://security-tracker.debian.org only mentions the main repositories
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07:40<harry>IDENTIFY
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07:57<harry>%n
07:57<dselect>well, n is a nitrogen atom, or 420, or {1,2,3,....}
07:57<harry>%c
07:57<dselect>See, or S-E-E. If you're too lazy to spell it out, we're too lazy to help you.
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09:32<Guest1187>hello
09:32<Guest1187>hey
09:32<EmleyMoor>Guest1187: Do you need help with Debian? If so, please explain your problem
09:33<Guest1187>can anyone plz tell me ho i change my drive setting from read only to writable
09:33<Guest1187>without formating it
09:34<EmleyMoor>Guest1187: Is the whole drive, or one filesystem, if it has several, mounted read-only?
09:34<Guest1187>hmm sda4
09:35<EmleyMoor>Hmmm what of it?
09:36<Guest1187>bro i create a partition like windows
09:36<Guest1187>but i am unable to write anything on it
09:36<EmleyMoor>Have you mounted it?
09:36<Guest1187>yep
09:37<EmleyMoor>Would you be able to put the output of "mount" on paste.debian.net for us to see?
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11:24<SeaShell^>When I set org.gnome.nautilus.preferences/always-use-location-entry to true in root it won't apply, what should I do?
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11:30<DusXMT>Well, if you set it as root, then it'll only apply to root; given that you likely use the file manager as a regular user, the configuration for your user will be used instead
11:31<DusXMT>In fact, root's home directory (where the corresponding .config/dconf/user is found) is inaccessible to regular users by default
11:31<DusXMT>(and that's a good thing)
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11:37<SeaShell^>DusXMT, I'm talking about using nautilus as root
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11:38<DusXMT>SeaShell^: Well, in that case, you have to set the setting as root as well, since then, root's configs will be used
11:38<DusXMT>gksu dconf-editor
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11:40<SeaShell^>DusXMT, I've done it many times, it seems to simply forget it
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11:40<SeaShell^>If this time will go well I guess it's okay, but I seriously doubt
11:41<mnuhmnuh>SeaShell^: why would you want to run it as root? you shouldn't log into X as root.
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11:46<SeaShell^>mnuhmnuh, I login into root only to set the settings of some tools
11:46<SeaShell^>Since with regular user I cannot access the preferences of some programs if executed in my X
11:47<SeaShell^>But I don't login in root with X as it's normal
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11:53<nujan41>hello world
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11:53<nujan41>anyone have a good tutorial for manual disk partitioning during debian install?
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11:55<nujan41>i burned nearly all of yesterday looking for a way to get all the necessary components {disk encryption, separated /home,/var,swap,/, user defined partition sizes}
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11:56<nujan41>in the end I settled for the outta the box guided scheme
11:56<EmleyMoor>nujan41: I never found it difficult to do manually... where was your problem exactly?
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11:59<nujan41>During the partitioning process each time I selected what I believe was the physical volume I wasn't given a choice to partition it beyond either the encrypted volume of logical volume options
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12:00<nujan41>if i selected the logical volume option i was given only a few logical partitions as choices, but not a choice to add or remove partitions
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12:01<EmleyMoor>nujan41: You define the Logical Volume host (encrypted or not), then define your actual volumes in that
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12:03<nujan41>so if you have 200G available (with a boot partition already withheld) , i should first define the encrypted volume as all 200G, then define within that , all the logical volumes (/ , /home, /usr, /var)
12:03<EmleyMoor>nujan41: Yes
12:04<nujan41>ok, that makes sense after inspecting the output of the Guided encrypted volume partition scheme
12:04<nujan41>EmleyMoor: thx
12:04<DusXMT>nujan41: Otherwise you'd have to type the passphrase for each partition separately on boot
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12:06<nujan41>DusXMT: yeah, i figured that out along the way, i thought that would be an interesting security protocol to have multiple passphrases, but in the end just seemed like it would be a pain
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12:08<DusXMT>I think a better approach would be to have a key on a file on a USB flash drive, for an extra layer of security
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12:08<DusXMT>(of course, you'd want to have the key file backed up somewhere trusted, since USB flash drives aren't the most reliable things in the world...)
12:09<nujan41>DusXMT: yeah, i've thought of that before also, but so far haven't actually tried to implement it.
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12:11<EmleyMoor>That's an interesting idea... but I do worry about how I might recover it if the USB flash drive failed and I'm a long way away
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12:14<nujan41>yeah, i suppose if its just an encryption key, you could just symmetrically encrypt it , and store it on the line somewhere so you have a backup that is publically accessible but only the symmetric key phrase would make it usable
12:14<neo>Hello World!
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12:15<nujan41>I know thats not as secure as keeping it locked in a safe at home, but it would allow for quick offsite recovery
12:16<Guest1207>Whats up with all this meltdown/Spectre running around?
12:16<annadane>meltdown has been patched, i believe
12:16<annadane>https://www.debian.org/security/2018/dsa-4078
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12:18<nujan41>thanks annadane:
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12:19<Guest1207>ty annadane
12:19<annadane>(spectre hasn't but it's harder to stop/harder to implement AFAIK)
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12:19<Guest1207>007 does not like spectre
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12:21<niels>Nice to find a Debian chat :). Using Debian for some time now, and like it. What will be discused around here?
12:22<annadane>this is mostly a support channel for debian stable; general chatter is in #debian-offtopic
12:22<nujan41>'scuse me while i finish my admin tasks
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12:23<Guest1207>@annadane-would you also happen to have the cve for win patch on meltdown?
12:24<annadane>'fraid noy
12:24<annadane>not
12:24<Guest1207>kk
12:24<Guest1207>ty anyway
12:24<annadane>btw, @ doesn't highlight me; if you want to highlight names just say the regular name
12:24<annadane>tab completion helps
12:24<niels>The CPU problem meltdown? Isn't there a fix in the last update?
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12:25<annadane>the security vulnerability meltdown; and no, there's not, spectre was patched though
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12:25<annadane>wait, sorry
12:25<annadane>yes, meltdown was patched, spectre wasn't
12:26<niels>Well, let's hope for a fix in the future :).
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12:27<niels>I'l go to debian-offtopic.
12:28<DusXMT>It's not something a "simple fix" can tackle
12:28<niels>If I knew how :P.
12:30<b17>I've been wondering, other than unrestricted java/javascript in what way could these vulnerabilities be exploited over a network?
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12:31<b17>is plain html ok?
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12:31<DusXMT>b17: Plain HTML is okay
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12:32<DusXMT>Looking at Mozilla's changelog for their newest patch, what they did was make timers coarser and disable SharedArrayBuffer, which could be used to construct a high-resolution timer
12:32<DusXMT>https://blog.mozilla.org/security/2018/01/03/mitigations-landing-new-class-timing-attack/
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12:37<nujan41>i'm sure folks know this already, but you can the the security announcement email list : https://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/
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12:43<nujan41>any thunderbird users notice problems upgrading from jessie to stretch?
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12:44<annadane>what "problems"?
12:44<DusXMT>Mine seems to work fine (3 machines)
12:44<plant-man>Mine locks up often
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12:46<DusXMT>First think I'd probably try would be to `$ mv ~/.thunderbird ~/.thunderbird.old' and see if a fresh config would do the trick
12:46<DusXMT>(if not, you can always restore the old one)
12:46<DusXMT>*thing
12:46<nujan41>did you install from apt-get or from a downloaded binary ?
12:46<nujan41>or source build
12:47<DusXMT>From the debian repoes
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12:47<DusXMT>(though I do build seamonkey on one machine manually, which contains thunderbird's email code, and it works fine as well)
12:47<plant-man>lock up... i use apt-get, and i frequently reset the whole profile directory
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12:49<nujan41>i just did a fresh install of debian 9 , still had .icedove directory with all my profiles and config, but it seems to be working fine from the debian repos version of thunderbird
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12:51<plant-man>nujan41, it never locks up for you? Sounds good. Maybe I have a bad line in prefs file.
12:53<nujan41>plant-man: no mine hasn't locked up previously, although this new install is only a day old, so time will tell.
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12:54<nujan41>plant-man: do you have email addresses that are trying to connect to email servers which are unavailable? thats the only thing that has really caused me problems before.
12:55<plant-man>yes. Wow. That is probably it. I use common servers like HOTMAIL, which are probably getting things locked.
12:56<jeremies>How to hibernate server automatically when not in use over network ?
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13:01<plant-man>nujan41, that must be it. Thanks. Servers like HOTMAIL are laggy, so Thunderbird locks up.
13:01<nujan41>plant-man: HOTMAIL :) (reminds me college) I don't know what there sign-in auth is like, but it might be an issue with that part of things. you could also pull that one out of the configs and see what the result is.
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13:02<annadane>#debian on OFTC is never this active, what's going on :D
13:02<nujan41>new blood i suppose
13:03<nujan41>BTW, annadane do you use an init script when you do a fresh install ?
13:03<annadane>no
13:04<nujan41>how do you manage installing all the "normal" programs you need ?
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13:06<plant-man>I just use the wizard, in which I specify an @hotmail.com address, and it sets stuff up.
13:07<mnuhmnuh>nujan41: i can just "history | grep "apt install""
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13:08<nujan41>mnuhmnuh: once you have that list of installed packages, how do you automate the install on a new system?
13:09<DusXMT>nujan41: If you want to duplicate a system, you could just create a tarball of it
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13:09<DusXMT>Then expand the tarball, edit some configs, deploy the bootloader, and viola
13:09<annadane>normal programs... i personally either install a desktop task (which comes with a certain number of programs anyway) or (recently) do a minimal install and only apt install what i need
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13:11<nujan41>DusXMT: do you have a link to a tutorial or info on the tarball method? Do you mean literally making a tarball of every directory ?
13:12<annadane>also i write down a list on paper of what i usually want installed
13:12<nujan41>Now that i'm saying this, i'm pretty sure i've seen ways of making an ISO image of a distro , i think i might try that approach if I can find some good info on it
13:13<nujan41>I'm sick of trying to keep track of all the installs and do the same stuff on all my machines
13:13<DusXMT>nujan41: Yup; firing up a Live CD, mounting all of the drives how they should be, and then: tar -czf - -C /mnt/system/ . | ssh some_user@some_system sh -c 'cat > system.tar.gz'
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13:14<nujan41>DusXMT: wow, that looks pretty awesome. i might have to give it a go on the next install
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13:15*DusXMT did this several times when switching to using encrypted drives, and later when switching to btrfs, and so far I haven't had an issue
13:15<DusXMT>nujan41: Just be sure to update all the configs
13:15<DusXMT>and then, issue a 'grub-install /dev/drive'
13:16<DusXMT>(especially /etc/fstab you must not forget to update)
13:16<mnuhmnuh>nujan41: you can "get selections" then "set selections" from installed to target. built into apt.
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13:17<DusXMT>(and of course, "update-initramfs -u" is pretty important too)
13:17<mnuhmnuh>easier, "apt install < `cat blah.txt`" or something.
13:18<DusXMT>mnuhmnuh: but then, you'll have everything as manually installed
13:18<DusXMT>*marked as
13:19<nujan41>mnuhmnuh: I did find all those options when i duckduckgo-ed how to get all the installed packages
13:20<mnuhmnuh>DusXMT: never considered that much of a prob. here. i'm more focussed on stuff like wanting to expirgate cups sans breakage.
13:21<towo`>mnuhmnuh, apt install $(<pkglist.txt) shorter ;)
13:21<nujan41>Most of what i've read about the subject was not 100% that you could get a list of packages to install that left out pre-installed packages and dependencies
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13:22<mnuhmnuh>towo`: ty. :-)
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13:23*DusXMT must eventually give the apt utility a try, still have apt-get and apt-cache in my finger memory :)
13:24<mnuhmnuh>what do you use instead of apt-cache?
13:25<towo`>apt policy, apt search
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13:26<DusXMT>Though one thing I wonder, why is aptitude no longer in the default install (in fact, gets uninstalled after upgrading to stretch by default), I thought it was nifty having a user-friendly text-user-interface package manager by default
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13:28<DusXMT>(and w3m seems to not be installed by default too; but I guess not many people use it these days, so I can kinda understand that)
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13:31<mnuhmnuh>DusXMT: installers worry about space, so non-critical stuff can be left for later.
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13:43<jhutchins>DusXMT: apt is the default now, although I'm pretty sure we still have apt-get because so many people are used to it.
13:44<jhutchins>nujan41: You could be using preseed to get consistent installs/configurations.
13:44<jhutchins>nujan41: (or even kickstart)
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13:48<nujan41>jhutchins: you mean just "apt" ? is apt-get no longer recommended?
13:49<jhutchins>nujan41: I don't think it's not recommended, it's just that they're developing yet another utility.
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13:50<jhutchins>nujan41: You can have apt-get, aptitude, and apt on the same machine. So far I don't think there's a conflict.
13:50<jhutchins>They say apt isn't ready to be used within scripts yet.
13:50<jhutchins>!apt
13:50<dpkg>Advanced Packaging Tool (APT) is a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, notably apt-get, apt-cache, and aptitude and, from Debian 8 "Jessie" onwards, apt. See also <aptitude> <apt-get>, <apt-cache>, <apt myths>.
13:53<nujan41>APT is a vast project, whose original plans included a graphical interface. It is based on a library which contains the core application, and apt-get is the first front end — command-line based — which was developed within the project. apt is a second command-line based front end provided by APT which overcomes some design mistakes of apt-get.
13:53<nujan41>from : https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.apt-get.html
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14:39<bremner>hrm. "apt update" is segfaulting after switching sources.list from jessie to stretch. Did I miss something obvious?
14:41<bremner>oh, I bet I see
14:42<bremner>yeah, had Default-Release still at jessie. the segfault is not very nice, but oh well.
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14:43<dvs>bremner, did you read the release notes
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14:49<mnuhmnuh>bremner: /etc/apt/apt.conf - APT::Default-Release "stretch";
14:49<bremner>yes.
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15:26<jeremies>How do I check if last shutdown was clean?
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15:48<mnuhmnuh>journalctl
15:49<mnuhmnuh>journalctl -b 1 # ?
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15:51<bremner>does this rpcbind error look familiar: http://paste.debian.net/1003655/ ?
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16:07<bremner>oh well, systemctl daemon-reload followed by systemctl restart rpcbind.status
16:07<bremner>err. .service
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16:11<ais-admin>jeremies: I'd try this: dmesg | grep mount
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16:12<braa>fuck you all
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16:17<braa>yeah man
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16:31<ais-admin>jeremies: actually sorry that wont work but this will: journalctl | grep mount
16:32<ais-admin>you'll see something like this if there was a problem: systemd-fsck[441]: /dev/sda1 was not cleanly unmounted, check forced
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16:40<Blue_Raven>HellO!
16:40<Blue_Raven>Is somebody there?
16:41<Blue_Raven>Is this for Debian users??
16:42<Ganneff>no, #debian is solely for Windows 95 and ME users
16:42<Blue_Raven>Ja!
16:43<Blue_Raven>I wanted to know on how can I help Debian to have more pictures or wallpaper for desktop images
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16:45<Blue_Raven>I Mean, Pictures for background desktop
16:46<Blue_Raven>I want to know how can I help Debian to put more pictures as wallpaper for desktop background
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16:51<b17>Blupon: apt search wallpapers
16:52<b17>whoops
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18:54<danger89>Hi there :)
18:54<danger89>I'm trying to upgrade Debian Jessie to Debian Stretch currently..
18:54<danger89>(distro upgrade)
18:55<danger89>and I was wondering if I also directly need to change my .list files to stretch in the /etc/apt/sources.list.d folder?
18:55<danger89>or fist keep it to the changes in source.list in /etc/apt
18:56<Dark-Jedi>danger89: Why would you have Stretch sources in /etc/apt/sources.list.d?
18:57<Dark-Jedi>danger89: Under normal install, Debian puts the sources for the distro in /etc/apt/sources.list
18:57<Dark-Jedi>danger89: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ is for additional sources you might add.
18:59<danger89>yea I added additional source :)
18:59<danger89>sources*
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18:59<danger89>several actually..
19:00<danger89>datastrax, gitlab & gitlab ci runner, mongodb, nodesource, odoo, openproject, passenger, suvy php (latest php version), webupd8team java
19:00<danger89>these are my extra sources
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19:01<sney>danger89: better to remove third party sources or comment them during a release upgrade, as they can add problems that aren't supported/tested by debian developers
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19:03<danger89>sney: the best way is to rename them to .save at the end right? To disable them?
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19:04<sney>I can't remember if the include statement specifies a .conf extension or if everything in that directory is read by apt, but a foolproof way to do it would be to move them to somewhere in your home directory temporarily until the upgrade is done
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19:07<danger89>uhm you are properbly right yea, better be on the safe side
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19:14<Dark-Jedi>danger89: Could you run the following command in a Terminal (without quotes). "cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/** | pastebinit"
19:15<Dark-Jedi>danger89: I'm curious how many sources and what sources. Depending on what they are, it could be safe even if they are left there.
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19:15<danger89>yea it could be.. since it could also be breaking my system
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19:16<danger89>(if I do NOT upgrade them at the same time as my distro upgrade)
19:16<yoda666>Hey
19:16<danger89>Dark-Jedi: http://paste.debian.net/1003681/
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19:17<danger89>Dark-Jedi: As you can see I was busy renaming it all, and searching for the correct Stretch lines within the .list files.
19:17<danger89>Dark-Jedi: and vailidating on the websites which provided the initial jessie list content, to be sure I use the correct new content.
19:17<Dark-Jedi>danger89: lol yeah. Those are probably safer commenting out.
19:18<danger89>passenger and mongodb I still need to rename
19:18<danger89>Dark-Jedi: yea I have some nice list right over the years :D?!
19:19<Dark-Jedi>danger89: My sources.list.d is much smaller than that, and full of incidental, trivial things. Yours is much more interesting.
19:19<danger89>and sometimes hopping from dotdeb to sury.org
19:20<danger89>yea my list is not fully trivial
19:20<Dark-Jedi>danger89: Mine - http://paste.debian.net/1003682/
19:21<Dark-Jedi>And, on a side note, it's pretty cool I got the very next pastebin number even though I did it minutes apart.
19:21<danger89>Dark-Jedi: I want stability first, this is why Debian stable gives me.. and in some cases I really need to get the most out of my systems. Latest greatest versions (like php or nginx versions is very important for security related topics). Or I need a package that is not availible in the debian repo (not yet atleast). Not long ago cerbot for example.
19:22<danger89>(certbot is now backported to jessie atleast)
19:22<Dark-Jedi>danger89: I'm AFK for now. Maybe I'll be back later. Good luck with the upgrade!
19:22<danger89>thanks!
19:23<danger89>ps. I use my system as a server. This is not my desktop/laptop installation btw.
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19:23<danger89>I also run Linux on my desktop ofc! but you are looking at my server.
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19:23<danger89>Dark-Jedi: since I see games overthere, which is typical a desktop source list.
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19:34<danger89>there I goo.... upgrading to Stretch!
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20:05<bremner>I've just update a bare metal server to stretch, and now the libvirt hosted kvm VM won't boot, claims there is no bootable device
20:05<bremner>does that ring a bell for anyone?
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20:06<cef>bremner: not specifically, but worth checking for grub bootloader, etc.
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20:11<danger89>I have the feeling the packages are getting removed which I installed via sources list. instead of upgraded
20:11<danger89>since I moved away my .list files from the /etc/apt/sources.list.d folder.
20:12<bremner>cef: oddly, reordering the boot devices in virt-manager seems to have fixed it. Oh well, next problem.
20:12<danger89>ok instead of 'upgraded' was not expected. But instead of kept on my system
20:12<bremner>danger89: what's an example of a removed package?
20:12<danger89>bremner: openproject
20:13<bremner>danger89: and are it's dependencies in stretch?
20:14<bremner>also, why do you have a feeling, and not something more concrete like an error message?
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20:14<danger89>yea it was not a feeling, I saw it getting removed :D
20:14<danger89>well I don't know if the depedencies are in stretch. But I moved the .list file. Which contained normally: deb https://dl.packager.io/srv/deb/opf/openproject-ce/stable/7/debian 9 mai
20:14<danger89>m
20:15<danger89>n
20:15<danger89>but normally openproject is not part of the debian repo.
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20:15<danger89>apparenty the default behavior is to remove it.
20:15<bremner>well, you can try installing it again, and see what error messages you get (after adding that repo back)
20:15<bremner>I strongly suspect either conflicts or missing dependencies
20:15<danger89>bremner: yup...
20:16<danger89>ow yea that could be about conflcits or depedencies
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20:17<danger89>bremner: I think the imagick is a depedency of openproject (not sure). but look at the console
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20:18<danger89>http://paste.debian.net/1003685/
20:19<danger89>Removing openproject (7.3.2-1511427461.451e1366.jessie) ...
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20:20<danger89>well we will see if installing a new version again, gives no problems.
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20:24<bremner>that fact that your version ends in .jessie suggests a mismatch
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20:38<danger89>is ejabberd mandatory to be installed on Debian?
20:38<danger89>I had this installed, gave some problems. but I think I don't need it anymore..
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20:41<danger89>During the upgrade I also get some messages like "couldn't remove old directory <blahh> is not empty.
20:41<danger89>for the following dirs: /etc/ImageMagick-6 /etc/texmf/fmt.d /var/lib/initramfs-tools
20:42<danger89>can I just safefly remove the directories, since I think I don't need it. except the last directory seems dangerous. but apparently was marked as 'old' for Stretch
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20:44<bremner>no, ejabberd is not mandatory.
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20:49<dvs>so you can remove those directories after you uninstall the package.
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21:00<danger89>ok yea clear just to be sure.
21:00<danger89>and the last thing I noticed before I reboot..
21:00<danger89>update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-4.9.0-5-amd64 W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/nvidia/gp100/gr/sw_method_init.bin for module nouveau W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/nvidia/gp100/gr/sw_bundle_init.bin for module nouveau W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/nvidia/gp100/gr/sw_nonctx.bin for module nouveau W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/nvidia/gp100/gr/sw_ctx.bin for module nouveau W
21:01<danger89>it gives all kind of warnings about can't finding firmware for nouveau...
21:01<danger89>the 'funny' part is.. I do not have a GUI installed on my Debian.
21:01<danger89>since i have this debian distro running on my server, without Xorg.
21:01<danger89>why do I still get this messages??
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21:02<danger89>I don't want to have nouveau nor nvidia.
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21:03<cef>danger89: the kernel doesn't know any different. it's just reporting "I have this device, and I don't have firmware for it".
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21:04<danger89>cef: ok, is it safe to continue?
21:04<danger89>should I blacklist nouveau just to be sure or?
21:04<danger89>I only want a terminal server setup.
21:04<cef>danger89: you can do that sure.
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21:05<cef>danger89: it's fine to continue usually. it's not often that graphics firmware missing will cause problems. Of course, if the firmware patches some sort of exploit that someone who can run code on your machine can use to privilege break, then all bets are off.
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21:06<cef>danger89: if said exploit requires the driver loaded, then of course blacklisting it would solve that.
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21:06<misch>Good evening.
21:07<dvs>bah!
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21:08<cef>misch: good afternoon. :P
21:08<misch>Hey @cef :)
21:09<danger89>cef: /home/melroy# update-initramfs -u update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-4.9.0-5-amd64 root@melroy-server:/home/melroy#
21:09<danger89>better no warnings atleast :)
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21:09<cef>:D
21:10<danger89>lets... reboot!
21:10<danger89>FINGERS crossed!
21:10<dvs>*bam*
21:11<danger89>ps. its a remove server, without serial link backup line
21:11<danger89>><
21:11<danger89>what can go wrong right?
21:11<danger89>3 o clock at midnight
21:11<misch>I have problems with an Radeon RX 480. All drivers (atigpu, mesa, firmware) installed, X starts without problems, error or warnings, but screen shows only garbled output. Any ideas?
21:11<dvs>misch, RX 480 is too new for the kernel?
21:12<misch>Latest stretch kernel :( Card used to work with atigpu-pro under CentOS.
21:13<cef>misch: debian stretch? do you have the ati/amd firmware pkg installed?
21:13<misch>Absolutely. Loads fine.
21:14<misch>Polaris10
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21:23<cef>ok.. do you have firmware-linux-nonfree installed?
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21:23<misch>cef: Yep.
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21:32<cef>misch: does /var/log/Xorg.0.log tell you anything useful?
21:32<misch>cef: Nope. Not even with verbose 6. xorg, kernel .. everybody seems to be happy. No warnings or errors.
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21:35<cef>misch: which driver is it trying to use? radeon or amdgpu?
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21:36<misch>it loads amdgpu with mesa using radeonsi
21:41<cef>stretch has server-xorg-video-amdgpu 1.2.0, while buster and sid both have 1.4.0. unfortunately no backports of 1.4.0 to stretch yet... tho not sure if that would solve it really.
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21:41<cef>it could be firmware or the xorg driver (or both).
21:43<cef>firmware should be easy to test by just pulling the firmware pkgs out of buster, which should just install (not likely to break stuff but still possible). :/
21:45<misch>LOL. I guess I have to start to get used to nice colored mosaics on my screens. I just have to get used to exchange eclipse for vi :(
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21:47<cef>misch: I have an i7-7700 and the 3D graphics has "issues" that are supposedly fixed in sid (tho not all), so I know the feeling, tho at least I can see my desktop and the issues are limited to certain situations only.
21:48<misch>I was able to have a nice desktop under Centos6 and 7. Switched over to Debian to be able to get kernel upgrades to fix the Intel issues. Who would have known that Debian has even more problems than RHEL :(
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21:53<misch>Umm .. I don't even know if the current kernel 4.9.0-5 is already patched against meltdown ..
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22:02<misch>cef: upgrade to buster running .. we'll see :D
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22:03<cef>misch: just fwiw: the buster kernel hasn't currently got a patch for Meltdown.
22:03<cef>misch: seems like it's in the pipe, but not out yet.
22:04<digital>tttt
22:04<cef>misch: not much of an issue if you have no graphics anyway, but thought it worth mentioning so you keep on top of patching, etc.
22:05<misch>Urm .. that sucks. But let's see if the graphics works with buster. We'll go from there..
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22:06<misch>cef: I can always roll my own kernel if its close enough ,,
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22:09<misch>Seems to be a cozy place here :D Haven't been in IRC for ... quite a long time .. :)
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22:18<HostageOfPeace>olá people
22:18<misch>Back at 'ya :)
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22:21<misch>cef: Stupid question: What does dist-upgrade do?
22:22<HostageOfPeace>upgrade the dist :B
22:23<misch>HostageOfPeace, LOL .. Iam coming from RHEL .. yum and so. upgrade, update and .. dist-upgrade ..
22:23<misch>Confusing ..
22:25<HostageOfPeace>upgrade
22:25<HostageOfPeace> upgrade is used to install the newest versions of all packages
22:25<HostageOfPeace> currently installed on the system from the sources enumerated in
22:25<HostageOfPeace> /etc/apt/sources.list. Packages currently installed with new
22:25<HostageOfPeace> versions available are retrieved and upgraded; under no
22:25<HostageOfPeace> circumstances are currently installed packages removed, or packages
22:25<HostageOfPeace> not already installed retrieved and installed. New versions of
22:25<HostageOfPeace> currently installed packages that cannot be upgraded without
22:25<HostageOfPeace> changing the install status of another package will be left at
22:25<HostageOfPeace> their current version. An update must be performed first so that
22:25<HostageOfPeace> apt-get knows that new versions of packages are available.
22:25<HostageOfPeace>dist-upgrade
22:25<HostageOfPeace> dist-upgrade in addition to performing the function of upgrade,
22:25<HostageOfPeace> also intelligently handles changing dependencies with new versions
22:25<HostageOfPeace> of packages; apt-get has a "smart" conflict resolution system, and
22:25<HostageOfPeace> it will attempt to upgrade the most important packages at the
22:25<HostageOfPeace> expense of less important ones if necessary. So, dist-upgrade
22:25<HostageOfPeace> command may remove some packages. The /etc/apt/sources.list file
22:25<HostageOfPeace> contains a list of locations from which to retrieve desired package
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22:25<HostageOfPeace> files. See also apt_preferences(5) for a mechanism for overriding
22:25<HostageOfPeace> the general settings for individual packages.
22:28<misch>Thanks HostageOfPeace . I read that. What I don't understand (I am currently upgrading to buster - will the process remove the old packages or do I now have everything twice?
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22:30<misch>HumanG33k, You should shake and rattle your modem to get the ants out.
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22:39<cef>misch: if you are just doing an 'upgrade' it'll update any packages.. dist-upgrade will add and remove other packages if it needs to.. eg: new kernels, old libs get installed and removed, etc. usually for upgrades between versions it's best to apt-get upgrade, then apt-get dist-upgrade.
22:39<misch>cef, Thanks. That's what I am doing right now.
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22:40<cef>misch: np.. also useful is -d (download).. which just d/loads the packages but doesn't install them.. useful if you don't want it doing stuff without you around but it'll take a while to fetch things.
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22:41<cef>eg: `apt-get -dy dist-upgrade` will just d/load the packages, then you can run `apt-get dist-upgrade` to do the actual upgrade.
22:42<misch>cef, Good to know. Thanks. I haven't been working a lot with debian (just some rasppi) and start getting to know it.
22:42<cef>misch: no probs
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22:49<misch>reboot ...
22:50<misch>no joy :(
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23:45<misch>cef, Just to let you know .. my radeon still doesn't work.
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23:49<cef>misch: bugger.. sorry I can't think of much else to help.. the ati binary drivers aren't supported anymore, and that'd probably be the only way to get it to work currently (ie: how you've had it in the past on suse).
23:51<misch>Yeah well .. what can you do? I am using Linux since 0.94 .. haven't seen that much chaos before. Sad state of affairs.
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23:55<cef>misch: this a laptop or desktop? it sounds like it's some weird thing with the display mapping in the card
23:57<cef>ie: the memory in the card that should be the display area isn't pointed to, so it shows garbage which is other memory areas of the card.
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