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00:11<RuR>help
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00:11<awal1>with?
00:12<RuR>nevermind - I am fighting IRSSI - thanks
00:13<awal1>weechat is more featured :P
00:13<RuR>but I would miss out fumbling with this one, ha
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02:41<JubJub>Hello, I'm looking to find my mac adress of my wireless adapter using ifconfig command, but I am receiving a terminal message of 'no such...' How do I use this command?
02:42<Nemoder>try /sbin/ifconfig or run it as root
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02:43<JubJub>is the first option a file location, and the second using the terminal?
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02:45<Nemoder>ifconfig is not in default user path, you can include the path to run it directly
02:45<Nemoder>sbin is in the default root path though
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02:46<JubJub>I may have a different problem, there is no ifconfig in that path.
02:47<Nemoder>then you may need to install net-tools
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02:49<JubJub>I tried to install packages, but it asked me to 'load the debian ISO'. Problem is I used a usb bootlader to install debian, and I don't know how to use the ISO file this way
02:50<awal1>JubJub, you have internet access?
02:50<JubJub>not on the debian system. The only network cord is connected to this system currently used
02:51<JubJub>I did attempt to connect the debian system to the network wired, but the synaptic package manager still asked for the iso file
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02:52<JubJub>If you can't tell, this is my first linux system. I've also run out of ideas. Anything you can do to suggest is appriciated
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02:53<Nemoder>did you use a net installer? or what image on the usb?
02:53<JubJub>I used the stable 9.3 AMD64 DVD 1 image on a usb
02:54<Nemoder>I wonder if you can use apt-cdrom to add a usb image
02:54<JubJub>Sorry, this was not a net installer, but the offline installer
02:58<somiaj>JubJub: how did you copy the debian .iso to the usb drive? what software
02:59<somiaj>JubJub: oh wait, nevermind, this is after the install. If you have a good internet site, change your sources from being cdrom to being internet.
02:59<somiaj>JubJub: you can also probably plug in the iso or mount it in the proper place to install packages form it off line. (unsure on the details here)
03:00<Nemoder>plug in the usb, run dmesg to see what device it is then sudo apt-cdrom -d=/dev/sdX (where sdX is the proper device)
03:01<JubJub>somiaj: I've read mentions of what a source is in the wiki and the ilstallation guide, but I did not see its configuration described I also tried to find out how to mount things, but I couldn't
03:02<JubJub>Nemoder: I will try this
03:02<Nemoder>in the end it may be easier to just move your net cable over to get the files you need to get wireless going
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03:02<JubJub>well, I've been at it for a few hours now, so easiest sounds great to me
03:03<Nemoder>if you are unsure where debian is trying to source from you can run nano /etc/apt/sources.list
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03:05<Nemoder>nano being a simple to use text file editor, ctrl-x to save and exit
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03:07<JubJub>I ran that, but the source list appears empty, although I also received a notice that this /etc/apt path is not writeable
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03:08<Nemoder>only root can write to it, so use sudo nano
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03:10<Nemoder>another option to consider is reinstalling debian using an unofficial image that includes non-free drivers so that wireless 'just works'. but you may not learn as much that way :D
03:10<JubJub>shoot, I am not in something called the sudoers file.
03:10<JubJub>I don't mind learning, but I have had a difficult time reading from the forums, and the debian wiki, and the debian installation guides
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03:11<Nemoder>you can switch to root with just su
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03:12<Nemoder>but it's not a good idea to stay logged in as root since it is easy to make unrecoverable mistakes
03:14<Nemoder>as root you can add your normal user to sudo group with: adduser <username> sudo
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03:17<JubJub>I think I don't even understand the syntax here. Would I write su user, enter my password, then user the adduser command?
03:18<JubJub>*use the adduser command
03:18<Nemoder>just su by itself will prompt for root password and give you a bash instance as root user
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03:20<Nemoder>then you can just type exit to go back to normal user though you may need to exit and login again as normal user after any group changes
03:20<JubJub>ok, that explains why my other uses of su were not working right
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03:23<JubJub>ok, yeah, it loks like there is only a cdrom entry for sources.
03:24<Nemoder>so you can look at examples for net sources: https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList#Example_sources.list
03:25<Nemoder>you may need non-free if your wireless driver is not in main
03:28<JubJub>ok, This helps a lot
03:31<JubJub>I will put copy these in from the stretch list, then try the contrib non-free list. Give them a try. Gotta disconnect the wire to do so. Thank you Nemoder, somiaj for speaking up and helping me get something accomplished
03:32<Nemoder>good luck! remember to apt update after setting it
03:34<JubJub>oh, before I go, is the wiki.debian.org the most comprehansive terminal command guide to use? I've been having trouble with searching using help on debian itself
03:35<Nemoder>the install guide and manual is probably best though it has a ton of info to sift through
03:36<JubJub>ok
03:36<JubJub>thank you again
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03:37<babilen>The most comprehensive resource are probably the manpages that ship with Debian, for a more generic overview you might like https://debian-handbook.info/ but it targets Jessie
03:37<babilen>nvm
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04:15<grummund>Is there a generic way to periodically run a cmd and report difference(s) from the previous run?
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04:16<grummund>sure it's trivially done with a crafted cmd and cron, but no point re-inventing the wheel.
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05:11<JubJub>Nemoder Just wanted to say that I finally got the wifi to be active using teh non-free drivers. Next step is getting a connection. You may have saved my laptop from being homebound for its life time.
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06:57<bitelmen>hello
06:57<bitelmen>help
06:57<bitelmen>Can't locate tests/test.pm in @INC (you may need to install the tests::test module) (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl/5.24.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.24.1 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl5/5.24 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl/5.24 /usr/share/perl/5.24 /usr/local/lib/site_perl /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl-base) at
06:57<bitelmen>????
06:57<bitelmen>debian 9
07:02<masteroman>explaining the thing you're doing would certainly be a plus https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc
07:08<bitelmen>????
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12:52<MrR0b0t>Hello guys
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13:12<Alexander>Hi there everyone !
13:12<Alexander>Is here anybody who can help me install a gpu driver under debian ?
13:12<dawid>How can I downgrade libfreetype6 to 2.8-0.2 on latest Debian Testing? More specifically: How to find out which repository to add to get it.
13:12<dawid>Alexander, nvidia or amd?
13:13<Alexander>Dawid it is a Mali gpu on a bananapi m2 berry board
13:13<dawid>oh damn
13:15<Alexander>and I'm guessing that the gpu drivers arent installed because ' dont have gpu acceleration under opengl
13:15<alyssa>Alexander: those drivers are proprietary iirc... good luck :s
13:15<Alexander>and in the boot.src file the memory reserve for the gpu was made to 0
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13:18<Alexander>since this debian os was installed to this board was made especially for this board and was extracted from an image I don't really under stand how can this be ?
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13:18<dawid>If I add stretch package archives to the archive list on my buster installation nothing will break horribly?
13:19<DusXMT>Alexander: From what I recall reading recently, the company behind the Banana Pi aren't exactly the brightest of people
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13:20<alyssa>Alexander: proprietary drivers are almost always a nightmare, so :s
13:20<DusXMT>In fact, most of the information on their site is copied from the linux-sunxi.org site
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13:20<b17>dawid: don't mix repos the stretch ver is 2.6.3-3.2
13:21<dawid>I am aware of that. I need the old version due to a regression in the one used in buster
13:21<Alexander>DusXMT is there any way to make opengl acceleration working on this board ??
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13:22<jhutchins>!snapshots
13:22<dpkg>http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces snapshot.debian.net. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412
13:22<jhutchins>dawid: Manually download the previous buster package and install.
13:23<dawid>Will I need to manually get all the dependencies as well?
13:23<b17>i keep a full cache of older pkgs in /var/cache/archives even on stretch
13:23<b17>*/var/cache/apt/archives even
13:24<jhutchins>dawid: If it has dependencies you're hosed.
13:24<jhutchins>dawid: Yeah, each one has to be downloaded.
13:24<jhutchins>dawid: This is why you don't run testing withoug making backups before you update.
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13:25<dawid>I didn't upgrade, I installed it a few moments ago. It's not a really big issue, fonts are broken in VS Code.
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13:27<dawid>Yep, installed the old package with no issues and stuff is back in order. Thanks for the help!
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13:31<Alexander>Can anybody help me what to do ?
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13:34<dawid>Alexander, have you installed Debian from debian.org or from the board manufacturers page?
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13:35<dawid>I'd give these images a try http://www.banana-pi.org/m2u-download.html
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13:36<dawid>Make sure you download the one for your board, I might've linked a wrong one
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14:02<Asara>hey all, i'm not sure whats going on but it seems like my lvm devices take ~30 seconds to start up when booting my device
14:02<Asara>I'm assuming it has to do with the lvm module not being started via initramfs or something along those lines
14:02<Asara>any suggestions?
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14:18<Asara>https://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2017/04/msg00289.html
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14:18<Asara>seems to be an issue similar to this, but the suggested solution isn't appliciable to me. after setting quiet off from my boot settings, i get the same issue with 'Begin: Running /scripts/local-block ... done.'
14:19<Asara>But my swap partition is correctly set there, but the swap partition is on an LVM, so I'm not sure if that affects anything
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14:39<b17>Asara: the mailing list is about an older ver, are you on stretch? apt-cache policy initramfs-tools | grep Installed
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14:40<anonima>hello
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14:42<Asara>i'm on testing
14:42<Asara>also found the solution b17
14:42<Asara>https://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2017/12/msg00103.html
14:43<Asara>which is version 0.130
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14:50<b17>Asara: so the delay was from trying to resume from swap on lvm? and you solved it by setting RESUME in initramfs.conf?
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15:16<sdk>Q: I just updated my kernel on stable (4.9.0-5-amd64) and I have a weird bug with my screen. Sometimes the image is shaking in all direction. A bit like on a old VHS. I was on 4.9.0-3-amd64 before
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15:33<jimpop>is there a jessie kernel fix for Meltdown/Spectre ?
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15:33<annadane>not yet
15:33<jimpop>k, tx
15:33<jimpop>*thx
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16:31<grummund>Is there a generic way to periodically run a cmd and report difference(s) from the previous run?
16:32*grummund not wanting to reinvent the wheel
16:32<somiaj>give more details? You have a comman that produces output and you want to see the differences in the output?
16:32<somiaj>you could use diff on both sets of output
16:32<grummund>yep. could be any command.
16:33<grummund>periodically - i.e. from cron perhaps.
16:33<somiaj>you'll have to save the output, and then diff the output. But I don't know of any tool that alread does this.
16:34*grummund off to invent my version of the wheel then :)
16:35<aluaces>"watch", but mainly for interactive uses
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16:40<somiaj>aluaces: does watch compare outputs? I thought it only just kept updated when a logfile (or some output) had stuff added to it?
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16:43<grummund>somiaj: yes it can with -d option
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16:44<somiaj>maybe this is an XY problem, what sort of reporting are you wanting? Maybe logwatch can already do that type of reporting?
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16:49<grummund>somiaj: for example, monitoring whois output, dns lookup, df -h, etc.
16:50<grummund>smartctl -a /dev/sda
16:50<somiaj>logwatch will already send you an email each day, let you know everyone who loged in via sshd, give you the curret status on harddrive ussage, and other informatin, it is very concifguralbe
16:51<somiaj>even tell you everyone who ran su or sudo or esclated privlages
16:51<somiaj>whois is probably not that useful, but looking at logins in auth.log is
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16:55<somiaj>there are also system monintoring tools like zabbix
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16:56<grummund>somiaj: thanks, will take a look. whois isn't systems monitoring though.
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16:58<somiaj>it just lets you know who is currently logged in, and maybe you want that info, I just thought auth.log would be a better way to monintor who is loggin into your system.
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16:58<somiaj>grummund: oh wait, nevermind me, I'm thinking who....sorry
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16:59<grummund>gotcha :)
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17:34<uniqdom>Hello. I have a hard disk in /dev/sdc. Let's say that I need to access a partition in that disk, but I have lost the MBR. I know starting sector of that partition. how can I mount it?
17:35<somiaj>so you lost the partition table, and want to try to recover it?
17:35<uniqdom>could it be something like: "sudo mount -t ext4 -o offset=4173824 /dev/sdc /mountpoint"
17:35<somiaj>I would first make an image of the drive and work with the image.
17:35<somiaj>from there you could try to recreate the same partition table, there maybe tools to help with this.
17:36<grummund>you can directly mount without a partition table
17:37<uniqdom>somiaj, the thing is that I haven't lost the partition table, but I could summarize the problem in this way
17:37<somiaj>seems there are some tools that would help recover the partition table.
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17:37<uniqdom>grummund: that's exactly what i need
17:37<grummund>out of curiosity, why?
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17:38<ivan>if ext4 is missing an offset argument (I know loopback has this) you could just write a partition table
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17:40*grummund suspects it's for a hidden partition
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17:41<zajac>Hi, I am Debian positive :))
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17:46<somiaj>Oh yea, did you get infected too? #debian is a good place to get support for debian stable, stretch (though jessie and wheezy may also be on topic here)
17:46<uniqdom>Ok... I need to create a booteable USB drive with a Debian 9.3 LiveCD. It also needs to have a second partition in order to have the sha256sum of that LiveCD to check the integrity of the system. So I have created the second partition with a offset from the start of /dev/sdc, and then i have dd the image to /dev/sdc. Now as grummund suspects, I have endend with a hidden partition.
17:46<somiaj>uniqdom: I would use syslinux and the flexiable usb method in the install guide for this
17:47<somiaj>this way you can have a second partition normally and not have to mess around with the hybrid partition table on the debian install iamges.
17:48<somiaj>this is also the suggest method for making a persistant live system.
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17:49<uniqdom>somiaj, that persistent live system always boot from the image of the livecd? or it is a real install in the usb drive?
17:49<somiaj>uniqdom: it is a live system, there are just ways to make the live system persistant (and this can mean differernt things)
17:50<grummund>it's possible to run without a partition table - whether you have good reason to, or just for the fun of it, is another matter. :)
17:50<somiaj>uniqdom: one way is the live system stays the same, but you have a persistant /home, that way user data can be saved between sessions. You can also configure it to be able to insta//remove packages on the live system and have that be persitant.
17:50<uniqdom>interesting
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17:54<grummund>actually, when i did this the partition was also encrypted, so cryptsetup took care of the size and offset.
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17:59<uniqdom>somiaj, you are talking about topic 4.4.3 in https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/ch04s03.html.en ??
17:59<uniqdom>4.3.3*
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18:06<somiaj>uniqdom: yes
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18:06<somiaj>uniqdom: you can also look up 'debian live persistant' or things along that lines to get various similar guides for setting up persistance for the live images.
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18:13<uniqdom>somiaj, how vmlinuz will know that it needs to load my LiveCD image file? I think that there is something that i'm not seeing
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18:18<somiaj>uniqdom: I belive you mount the hd image (not the hybrid image) and just copy the files to to the drive, it should already know where to look
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18:20<uniqdom>hmm, ok then I think that is not what i was expecting. It will be harder for me to check the integrity of the system.
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18:22<somiaj>there are ways to install grub in the mbr and chainboot off of an .iso sitting on a partition on the usb drive, though unsure on these details as the debian .iso are a bit picky about this
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18:23<somiaj>you could also create a key of the parition you put syslinux with the live image, and check against that signature
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18:27<b17>doesn't live boot have a built in verify-checksum anymore?
18:28<b17>there's a lot of parameters but i dont have the manual handy
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18:31<Sagat> Urgent help needed; now trying to install debian on my notebook with hdd and ssd. I installed whole system to ssd. Now i want to use hdd in debian too and encrypt it just like ssd. How can i do that?
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18:33<Sagat>I am stuck on partition disks part of the installation and do not know how to add hdd to the debian. Should i use the free disk on hdd as autom. Partition disk space option?
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20:54<return>hi
20:55<dvs>zzz
20:55<return>can i disable my cpu's speculative execution to circumvent the spectre vulnerability?
20:56<dvs>return, maybe, but you can install a new kernel instead
20:56<return>ah, was there a new update already?
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20:58<dvs>return, https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2017-5754
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21:04<return>hm i think i read yesterday that 4.9.65-3+deb9u2. fixed meltdown but not spectre, "which will be addressed in a later update"
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21:05<somiaj>the new kernel only stops meltdown, as of now I think people are still trying to find a way to midagate against spectre.
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21:06<return>a quick way could be to just disable speculative execution, i am willing to accept a maximum 30% performance hit for that
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21:07<return>(of course, just as an option)
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21:07<somiaj>I don't know the details that much, but I didn't realize the cpu design issue could just be disabled.
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21:10<dvs>fix it!!!!
21:10<return>i don't know either, but i am currently hoping it can :-)
21:11<somiaj>My understanding is not on the software level. Maybe in the microcode. As for debian, security team is fairly good about getting security patches out as they become avaiable.
21:12<somiaj>i mean quick, but backporting sometimes takes time.
21:13<return>if it cannot be disabled that is really silly to be completely honest
21:14<return>i know it is not debian's fault though
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21:15<dvs>Why would they have a way to disable the feature in the time they were creating it?
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21:16<return>well every new cpu feature could become a security flaw later
21:17<return>i understand it is not always possible, but it seems possible for speculative execution
21:17<dvs>They werent thinking in terms of security back then (but they will now!)
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21:20<return>hopefully
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21:22<return>by the way, if the issue isn't really fixed it probably shouldn't be marked as fixed on the security-tracker site
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21:24<return>i wonder if there is a trick to always make my cpu speculatively execute garbage code and throw it away
21:24<somiaj>return: that cve is fixed, which is for the meltdown attack on intel cpus.
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21:25<somiaj>return: and this converstaion would be more on topic on a security maybe kernel channel.
21:28<Sveta>return: the kernel was modified to remove the potential attack vectors. Kernels with the new patch applied via an update are no longer vulnerable.
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23:01<return_>so the spectre vulnerability is fixed in debian stable now?
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23:04<Sveta>return_: yes, it is available via the normal update channels.
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23:08<return_>great! i missed the end of this page asks to follow the security-tracker: https://www.debian.org/security/2018/dsa-4078, so i was expecting another update on debian.org/security
23:09<return_>i am pleasantly surprised with the great work of the security team once again
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23:19<return_>well, actually looking at the page, speculative execution still has at least one CVE that wasn't fixed at all yet - CVE-2017-5753
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