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#debian IRC Logs for 2018-01-11

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00:25<samden>All my users have no permission to access home directory & chmod doesn't help. Means I can only log in graphically as root, but command line as anyone.
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00:26<samden>Fresh install of DebianEdu stretch, problem from time of install. Any idea what could cause this?
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00:41<samden>Further to above: If I run "cat /etc/passwd", none of the users are listed except root. However if I run "compgen -u" or "getent passwd", all users are listed.
00:41<samden>Maybe users are not properly set up? Using GoSa2.
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00:55<awal1>dpkg: debianedu
00:55<dpkg>Debian Edu is a project that aims to provide a free software distribution that is tailored for educational scenarios such as the class room, the staff room and the administration office. Ask me about <skolelinux>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu
00:56<awal1>dpkg: skolelinux
00:56<dpkg>Skolelinux is a Debian Pure <Blend> produced by the <Debian Edu> project, see http://www.skolelinux.org/ for more details. For user/admin support, join #skolelinux on irc.oftc.net.
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01:01<mnuhmnuh>samden: fun problem! :-) love debianedu.
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01:03<mnuhmnuh>played w sudo any?
01:04<mnuhmnuh>"If I run "cat /etc/passwd", none of the users are listed except root." that's nuts. wtf?
01:07<jm_>getent honours /etc/nsswitch.conf so it can get data from other sources, so check that file to start with
01:07<jm_>BBL
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01:15*mnuhmnuh crap. hate sunos-ishnesh. csh ... brr.
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01:15<nutjam>hello there
01:16<nutjam>I need help with printing issue on debian, I am not a sys admin or anything but I have and issue with my pc so is anyone here can help?
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01:23<retrospectacus>!anyone
01:23<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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01:36<mnuhmnuh>nutjam: what's the "printing issue"?
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01:45<nutjam>@mnuhmnuh can I do direct msg here?
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01:51<samden>jm_, what should I look for when checking /etc/nsswitch.conf?
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01:52<samden>mnuhmnuh, I expect the users listing in one place but not another is something to do with gosa2 being used for user management, but I'm unfamiliar with it.
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01:53<jm_>samden: put it on the paste site (paste.debian.net)
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01:55<mnuhmnuh>nutjam: can _i_ do dir. msg? no. still learning irc here. stick it out, whatever it is! others can help.
01:59<samden>jm_: paste.debian.net/1004577/
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02:00<mnuhmnuh>samden: access and securirty priorities, imo. you're tyrying to limit what your users ca do, yes?
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02:00<jm_>samden: well there you have it, it gets it from ldap (using full URL scheme is benefecial for lazy people like me who can then open given URL using a single key instead of having to paste it manually)
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02:01<samden>mnuhmnuh: This is a blend intended for schools, so yes, students are limited by default.
02:02<samden>jm_: I am a bit lost as to what you mean, I feel we're talking at cross purposes. I'm unfamiliar with IRC so am I doing something wrong?
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02:03<mnuhmnuh>samden: yes, debianedu, understood, and the admins are teachers, only geeks against their will. :-)
02:04<samden>jm_: Sorry, I get what you mean now regarding urls.
02:04<jm_>samden: right, the part in () was about you posting trimmed URL "paste.debian.net/1004577/" as opposed to "http://paste.debian.net/1004577/" - ignore it if you feel like it, but as I said, it's helpful for others
02:04<samden>Fully agree, sorry.
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02:04<samden>So given this comes from ldap, how could I go about finding a solution?
02:04<jm_>samden: it's not related to your question in any way, and no need to apologize - I got it
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02:05<mnuhmnuh>didn't mean that to sound insult.
02:05<jm_>I missed start of the conversation so I probably misunderstood what the issue is, let me see if I can find it in logs
02:05<samden>Didn't sound insulting!
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02:06<samden>The issue is that only the root user can log into a graphical interface, no other users can. The problem seems to be that no user has access to their home directory.
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02:07<jm_>ok I found it - what does ls -ld /home/<one_problematic_user> show vs «getent passwd <one_problematic_user>»
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02:09<samden>sudo ls -ld /skole/tjener/home0/user = drwx------ 4 user user 4096 Jan 10 18:48 /skole/tjener/home0/user
02:10<samden>getent passwd user = user:x:1000:1000:Firstname Lastname:/skole/tjener/home0/user:/bin/bash
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02:12<samden>Not all users have exactly those permissions, here's another result of ls -ld: drwxr-xr-x 4 user2 user2 4096 Jan 11 11:48 /skole/tjener/home0/user2
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02:13<mnuhmnuh>er, "user" == real username?
02:13<samden>Yes
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02:13<samden>No, sorry, misinterpreted you. The user is not called "user".
02:14<jm_>so if I get that it all looks correct, i.e. dir for "user" is owned by correct UID (ls -lnd would show it), matching UID shown by getent, right?
02:14<samden>I just put that in in the hope of being clearer.
02:14<mnuhmnuh>samden: no, you interpret correct. thinking.
02:15<samden>However, if I'm logged in (via ssh) as user, and try cd ~, I get the error "Permission denied"
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02:16<mc68040>samden: what are the permissions of the parent directories? e.g. /skole, /skole/tjener, ...
02:18<samden>sudo ls -ld /skole/tjener/home0/
02:18<samden>drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 4096 Jan 11 12:08 /skole/tjener/home0/
02:18<jm_>yeah check all those too
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02:19<jm_>probably one of those denies access
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02:19<samden>My messages suddenly aren't displaying for me, can anyone else see this?
02:19<samden>Oh, that one worked.
02:20<mc68040>samden: you started line with /?
02:20<samden>root owns both /skole and /skole/tjener
02:20<samden>Yes, I just figured that out the hard way... :-) Sorry
02:21<mnuhmnuh>lifelonglearning!
02:22<samden>How could I change the permissions of the parent directories to see if that is the issue, without breaking anything? These parent directories should be root I would have thought.
02:22*mnuhmnuh love watching teachers learn stuff. :-)
02:23<samden>I'm not a schoolteacher! Well, I homeschool my kids, hence what I'm doing today, so I'm sort of a teacher... :-)
02:24<jm_>samden: it's not just about who owns them, but about permission bits too
02:24<mnuhmnuh>chmod & chown ... but don't go there untin you know for sure!
02:25<samden>I understand that. And I understand I can use chmod. - but what should I change them to?
02:25<jm_>i.e. ls -l / ; ls -l /skole/tjener ; ls -l /skole/tjener/home0
02:26<jm_>(missing a command for /skole there)
02:26<jm_>in debian /home is drwxr-xr-x root:root
02:26<jm_>crucial part being "...r-xr-x"
02:27<mc68040>samden: and missing d option, e.g. ls -ld /
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02:27<jm_>shouldn't need -d there
02:27<mc68040>yeah, but shorter output then...
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02:30<samden>http://paste.debian.net/1004579/
02:30<mnuhmnuh>mc68040: yes, you do need -d, to list dir, vs. its contents.
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02:31<samden>That's just with -l. Should I redo with -ld?
02:31<mc68040>mnuhmnuh: not really, ls -l / gives perms of /skole in output :)
02:33<samden>Dir /skole/tjener/home0 appears to correctly have...r-xr-x
02:34<mnuhmnuh>mc68040: oops, yeah; damn, i'm gettin' old.
02:34<mc68040>samden: the T in /skole is the problem i think
02:35<jm_>I'd recommend 755 for /skole
02:35<mc68040>samden: try chmod 755 /skole
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02:36<samden>Now I can do cd ~! Will check out the gui login, just a sec
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02:37<samden>And it's working! Brilliant! Thanks heaps! I can now log in!
02:37<samden>I installed this over 24 hours ago, it's very exciting to finally log in... :-)
02:38<mnuhmnuh>magnifico!
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02:39<mnuhmnuh>wait til you understand what it can really do.
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02:40<mnuhmnuh>wiki.debian.org
02:41<samden>I've had the kids using Linux Mint for years, even had my grandmother using it until she died, so I'm fairly familiar with what it can do. New to Debian - but not that new, coming from Ubuntu and Mint.
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02:43<samden>Seriously, thanks everyone. Virtual beers all round. :-)
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02:49<mnuhmnuh>samden's _real_ problems begin now. wait for it ... :-)
02:49<mnuhmnuh>#debianedu?!?
02:50<mnuhmnuh>#debian-edu?!?
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02:54<mnuhmnuh>wtf? https://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu : "Install DebianEdu current version: Wheezy" - wut?
02:55<mnuhmnuh>wheezy's ca. 2012?
02:56<jm_>that's just outdated wiki page, it correctly says A screenshot from the current Debian Edu "Stretch" release showing the KDE desktop ... at the top
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03:00<mnuhmnuh>jm_: grr. that sort of "meh" may not impress geeks, but it freaks out users (debianedu?!!), so should be fixed. imo. :-)
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03:01<mnuhmnuh>accessing ...
03:01<mnuhmnuh>:-)
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03:19<yetoo_>Does anyone get a segfault when using ffmpeg over sftp?
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04:07<petn-randall>yetoo_: I don't. Is it reproducible?
04:09<yetoo_>yes
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04:10<petn-randall>yetoo_: Can you run 'strace -ff vlc /path/to/file' and paste the last ~100 lines to https://paste.debian.net?
04:11<petn-randall>You might need to install strace first.
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04:17<yetoo_>How do I get the last 100 lines with tail because when I'm piping to tails, the output is still going to stdout
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04:17<yetoo_>plus why am i running this with vlc?
04:18<jm_>| tail -100
04:19<jm_>in case of strace it's better to use -o foo to write to file foo, and I suppose that was a mistake, and ffmpeg was meant to be used, not vlc
04:20<DusXMT>yetoo_: It's likely the output's going to stderr instead
04:20<DusXMT>command 2>&1 | tail
04:21*mnuhmnuh jm_: nice to watch a master at work. :-)
04:21<jm_>yup, strace uses stderr without -o
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04:24<yetoo_>https://paste.debian.net/plain/1004594/
04:24<yetoo_>WHat was weird was that when I was using -o with strace it still wasn't outputting to the file
04:26<jm_>did you use -o before the command?
04:26<yetoo_>yeah
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04:27<yetoo_>i did strace -ff -o /tmp/a ffmpeg -i <etc>
04:27<jm_>ahh with -ff it will write /tmp/a.<PID> IIRC
04:27<jm_>maybe get it to dump core instead and see if it produces a useful strack trace, if not, try to get one with debug packages
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04:28<jm_>so maybe gdb /usr/bin/ffmpeg<enter>set args -i <etc>
04:28<jm_>run
04:28<jm_>thread apply all bt
04:28<jm_>what does that show?
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04:29<yetoo_>so the paste.debian wasn;t useful?
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04:31<jm_>it was partially usefulm showing that it crashed after trying to deal with sftp stuff
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04:35<yetoo_>So that gdb is here: https://paste.debian.net/plain/1004596/
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04:36<yetoo_>I alos need to mention that I have had incomplete paths after the given ip and i get the seg fault
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04:38<yetoo_>i even gave 127.0.1.1 instead of 127.0.0.1 and got a segfault
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04:40<jm_>type also the other command when you get the prompt after SIGSEGV: "thread apply all bt"
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04:40<jm_>followed by "bye" to quit gdb
04:44<yetoo_>https://paste.debian.net/plain/1004598/
04:44<yetoo_>I did do this after leaving the initial instance of gdb by accident
04:45<yetoo_>I'm not sure if the information in that paste relies on a current state of an environment or anything
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04:47<mnuhmnuh>"open("/home/yetoo/.ssh/id_rsa.pub", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)" ... hmm.
04:48<yetoo_>yeah the only thing there is known_hosts
04:48<jm_>so it tells us it crashes after it calls ssh_userauth_password and then strlen, looking in that function I see no directl call to strlen so the second ?? line is the missing bit
04:48<yetoo_>do i manually have to touch the miossing files or is there something else i needd to do
04:49<jm_>no don't
04:49<jm_>so maybe installing debug versions of libavformat.so and libssh-gcrypt.so would show more info
04:50<jm_>https://wiki.debian.org/HowToGetABacktrace
04:50<yetoo_>do i have to manually compile those with the options enabled or are there packages for that
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04:52<yetoo_>Wait would it be safe to have a debugging mirror next to an unstable mirror?
04:52<jm_>libssh-grcrypt is there, so probably the other one too
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04:52<jm_>should be
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04:53<mnuhmnuh>apt-get builddep $packagename
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04:54<jm_>libavformat57-dbgsym is there too
04:55<mnuhmnuh>assuming sources.list is good ( deb-src http://debian.mirror...).
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05:01<yetoo_>I need to sleep
05:01<jm_>something occured to me, tried using url in this form instead ftp://user:pass@127.0.0.1/filename ?
05:01<jm_>sftp, not ftp
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05:02<jm_>also, if you are using 127.0.0.1 why not specify file with its path?
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05:04<yetoo_>i do this ffmpeg -i sftp://yetoo:192.168.1.96/home/yetoo/Videos/midlife.mp4
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05:04<yetoo_>but i get this Connection failed: Timeout connecting to yetoo
05:04<yetoo_>sftp://yetoo:192.168.1.96/home/yetoo/Videos/midlife.mp4: Input/output error
05:06<jonasw>if you leave out the pass, you need to use yetoo@ instead of yetoo:. but you should try with pass I think
05:06<yetoo_>I get a seg fault with the @
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05:07<mnuhmnuh>jm_: ftp is dead. ditto telnet, usenet, smtp next, rsh, gopher, dead and gone ... ssh & etc mucho impruvo (sp?).
05:08<yetoo_>give me a file directory protocol with ssh then
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05:09<mnuhmnuh>yetoo_: i just use youtube-dl ; works usually.
05:09<jonasw>yetoo_, have you tried sftp://yetoo:yourpassword@...?
05:10<jonasw>alternatively: maybe set up ssh key auth?
05:10<yetoo_>does that work for local machines on a network mnuhmnuh
05:10<jonasw>(sorry if I lack context)
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05:11<mnuhmnuh>yetoo_: oops, ignore me.
05:12<yetoo_>no that doesnt work
05:12<yetoo_>im not going to set up ssh key auth just for this
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05:13<yetoo_>ill settle for just ssh to my other machine and just forwarding video through x
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05:13<jonasw>yetoo_, have you considered mounting the remote machine via sshfs and using ffmpeg on the mounted fs?
05:13<yetoo_>yes
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05:15<yetoo_>mpv will segfault
05:15<yetoo_>which relies on ffmpeg
05:15<jonasw>what
05:15<jonasw>that’s weird
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05:16<yetoo_>When i try to use vlcm it actually works but it keeps on asking for sftp confirmation and username and password
05:16<yetoo_>*vlc
05:16<yetoo_>how would i disable that warning
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05:17<yetoo_>i know the subject change is stark but i just want something that works before i sleep
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05:19<yetoo_>im using caja if that matters
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05:20<mnuhmnuh>yetoo_: well, if you learned how to use key based ssh access via ssh, you'd be happy now. ddrat.
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05:21<cacatoes>hi guys, do you know what's the current status of cpupower (compared to cpufrequtils) in debian?
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05:22<yetoo_>yeah, but i just want to open up my local file manager, go to my other computer, click on a video located on that computerm and then watch it
05:22<yetoo_>i dont want to have a terminal open to actually do the work while i have my thumnails open in another window
05:23<yetoo_>and i dont want to install ranger
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05:23<yetoo_>i want a lvel of comfyness to surpass my feeling of dread and sleep with the will to continue my life
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05:35<Alrone>Hi Guys, and Girls ! I come to you with a specific debian preseeding issue on which i'm struggeling for several days.
05:35<Alrone>On a graphicless install (tasksel tasksel/first multiselect ssh-server, standard), i want a default en_US locale (d-i debian-installer/locale string en_US.UTF-8), an additional french locale (d-i localechooser/supported-locales multiselect fr_FR.UTF-8) and an azerty keyboard (d-i keyboard-configuration/xkb-keymap select fr(latin9)). It just doesn't work, console-setup package is not installed during the process, nor keyboard-configuration. They both a
05:35<Alrone>re during manual install though ! If someone's got any idear, pliz shoot ! Thank you for your time and excuse my english.
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05:38<mnuhmnuh>Alrone: dpkg-reconfigure locale
05:39<mnuhmnuh>Alrone: dpkg-reconfigure locales
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05:40<Alrone>@mnuhmuh yep, but i don't want to change my locale, just my keyboard layout...which i can't because console-setup is not installed by the preseed process.
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05:47<mnuhmnuh>you guys, ...
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05:48<mnuhmnuh>complexity! grr ...
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05:48<Alrone>:)
05:50<Alrone>servers must be installed in en_US, i want my keyboard mapped with my lang, is it really complexity :P In do not understand why console-setup is isntalled by manual process and not by preseed on, i didn't find ANYTHING about this anywhere.
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05:51<Alrone>Yeah yeah preseeding is like manual installation with anwsers autofilled ! Hum hum..
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05:54<mnuhmnuh>utf-8 is supposed to eliminate coplexity, ...
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06:02<Alrone>utf-8 is one thing, keyboard layout is another one
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06:41<SeaShell^>I have cryptsetup installed with sysvinit-core, and it freezes at shutdown, what I should do?
06:42<SeaShell^>It hangs at "unmounting crypto disks"
06:43<DusXMT>SeaShell^: It's a bug in udev, if I recall correctly; unfortunately, I don't know much more than that
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06:44<bremner>If you search the cryptsetup bugs, it's mentioned there.
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06:47<SeaShell^>bremner, I've found an old discussion, but it's useless, it's from 2015-2016, so it applies to squeeze and maybe jessie
06:48<DusXMT>SeaShell^: I'd suggest looking at what the folks at Devuan are doing to solve it
06:48<bremner>sorry, that's all I know.
06:48<SeaShell^>DusXMT how I'm supposed to do that? :(
06:49<SeaShell^>Does they have they'r channel in oftc?
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06:52<DusXMT>SeaShell^: They're on freenode on #devuan , but looking at their gitlab page, it seems that they opted for replacing udev with eudev. (beware though, some people can be quite emotional when it comes to that project; emotion should not taint technical judgement)
06:54<petn-randall>SeaShell^: Have you found the bug in the BTS yet? It might have a workaround documented.
06:55<SeaShell^>petn-randall, I've found this: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=791944#181
06:55<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/791944 in udev (forwarded, fixed-upstream, help): «udev does not close the control socket on stop under sysvinit»; severity: important; opened: 2015-07-09; last modified: 2018-01-08.
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06:56<SeaShell^>DusXMT, I'm honest, systemd is not even LSB, I'm using debian instead of devuan only because devuan is still on jessie
06:56<petn-randall>SeaShell^: Neither is Debian LSB.
06:57<petn-randall>SeaShell^: You should be able to add that code snippet to /etc/init.d/cryptdisks. Let's see if it fixes the issue for you.
06:59<SeaShell^>petn-randall, https://m.theregister.co.uk/2017/07/17/linux_4_13_rc1/
06:59<SeaShell^>Btw thx I will try
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07:04<petn-randall>SeaShell^: I'm note sure how that article is related to the issue at hand.
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07:05<SeaShell^>petn-randall, is related about the "emotionals" devuan mantainers
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07:40<Alrone>Hi Guys and Girls ! I come to you with a specific debian preseeding issue on which i'm struggeling for several days.
07:40<Alrone>On a graphicless install (tasksel tasksel/first multiselect ssh-server, standard), i want a default en_US locale (d-i debian-installer/locale string en_US.UTF-8), an additional french locale (d-i localechooser/supported-locales multiselect fr_FR.UTF-8) and an azerty keyboard (d-i keyboard-configuration/xkb-keymap select fr(latin9)). It just doesn't work, i got a default qwerty one: console-setup package is not installed during the process, nor keyboar
07:40<Alrone>d-configuration. They both are during manual install though ! If someone's got any idear, pliz shoot ! Thank you for your time and excuse my english.
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07:42<jm_>tried #debian-boot?
07:43<jm_>also I would simply add needed packages to the list of packages to install
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07:43<jm_>i.e. d-i pkgsel/include
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07:50<Alrone>jm_: i will try #debian-boot channel. I tried to but keyboard-configuration package need a user interaction...bad move for an automatic install
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08:02<stefan_1981>Hello. I have a question related to meltdown. According to this - https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2017-5754 - a patch for meltdown is available in wheezy 3.2.96-3. I have the wheezy security repository in my apt sources, but I only get wheezy 3.2.96-2.
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08:02<stefan_1981>Is the -3 already available?
08:03<Tuor>Hi, I'm running Debian testing on my new laptop. Stable is a bit to old for my personal laptop. I'm looking for the package backintime-common but I can't find it. Befor I build it my self, hasn't it been added to testing? In SID there is a package backintime-common but I can't find it for testing...
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08:10<bremner>Tuor: #debian-next supports testing
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08:11<Tuor>ah ok thx
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09:46<eleve>what's going on here?
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09:46<jathan>Hi eleve.
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09:47<eleve>Hi. I'm on a school pc
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09:48<petn-randall>Hi eleve, you've reached the Debian support channel. Do you have a Debian question, or would you like to chat?
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09:48<eleve>sorry I'm just bored
09:48<petn-randall>!chat
09:48<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
09:49<eleve>ok bye
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09:49<petn-randall>eleve: No worries! You can reach a general chat channel by typing "/join #moocows".
09:51<Alrone>Hi Guys and Girls ! I come to you with a specific debian preseeding issue on which i'm struggeling for several days.
09:51<Alrone>On a graphicless install (tasksel tasksel/first multiselect ssh-server, standard), i want a default en_US locale (d-i debian-installer/locale string en_US.UTF-8), an additional french locale (d-i localechooser/supported-locales multiselect fr_FR.UTF-8) and an azerty keyboard (d-i keyboard-configuration/xkb-keymap select fr(latin9)). It just doesn't work, i got a default qwerty one: console-setup package is not installed during the process, nor keyboar
09:51<Alrone>d-configuration. They both are during manual install though ! If someone's got any idear, pliz shoot ! Thank you for your time and excuse my english.
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09:54<abgr>is there any way to know when a 4.14 (or newer) kernel patched against meltdown will be available in stretch-backports? i
09:55<abgr>i'm asking because i am forced to use it due to a severe bug in the 4.9 kernel
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10:31<petn-randall>abgr: At some point after the patch 4.14 kernel migrated to testing, and when someone from the backports group uploads the backport.
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10:31<bremner>abgr: today
10:32<bremner>oh wait, that's the old 4.14
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10:52<landers>i'm running sid on a thinkpad x60, and some recent update (maybe a month ago) made my trackpoint laggy. also more sensitive/fast (i use about half the value i used to use in /sys/**/{speed,sensitivity}, but it's the lagginess that's annoying. i'm guessing it might be related to some smoothing or acceleration value in a config file that got changed somewhere, but there seem to be a lot of places
10:52<landers>this can happen in X, so I'm wondering if someone else has run into this? thx
10:52<landers>)
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10:57<petn-randall>landers: You'll have better chances asking in #debian-next, where all the testing/sid users hang out.
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11:08<landers>petn-randall: will do; thx
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11:49<pinoito>hi
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11:49<pinoito>some one here
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11:57*mnuhmnuh petn-randall:note #debian-offtopic is now registered users only on oftc; see freenode.net to avoid that, fwiw. :-| re: "!chat".
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12:14<plant-man>what's a registered user?
12:15<DusXMT>plant-man: someone who has their nick registered using NickServ
12:15<DusXMT>see: /msg NickServ HELP
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12:17<plant-man>ty DusXMT :)
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12:25<plant-man>DusXMT: what does green text mean in HexChat, private chat or something?
12:27<DusXMT>plant-man: I'm sorry, I don't use hexchat. Private chat is usually handled within separate tabs/windows, eg. in irssi you access them with <alt><left-or-right-arrow>
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12:28<plant-man>DuxXMT, ok, were your last 2 messages to me private, or otherwise special in some way?
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12:29<DusXMT>plant-man: Oh, now I see. No, they aren't private, it's just that they're directed at you :) You do that by starting your message with "nickname: "
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12:30<DusXMT>(it's called highlighting, iirc)
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12:31<plant-man>DuxXMT: right on, THANKS. :)
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12:34<ssgelm>does this url work for anyone else? https://packages.debian.org/stretch-backports/linux-image-4.14.0-0.bpo.2-amd64
12:35<ssgelm>all the other packages seem fine
12:35<ssgelm>oh weird, it works on other browsers
12:35<ssgelm>just me, sorry!
12:35<plant-man>right
12:35<plant-man>oops, typo, my bad
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12:38<plant-man>ssgelm: works in Firefox 52.5.2, for me
12:38<ssgelm>yeah, broken for me only in chrome
12:38<ssgelm>¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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12:39<DusXMT>"The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request. Please contact the server administrator at webmaster@debian.org to inform them of the time this error occurred, and the actions you performed just before this error. More information about this error may be available in the server error log."
12:39<DusXMT>Firefox on Debian Stretch
12:39<hdb2>ssgelm: works for me in chrome
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12:40<plant-man>Seems that the server is EMO
12:40<ssgelm>oh, it's not _just_ me!
12:40<ssgelm>well I feel a little better
12:40<ssgelm>where is the correct place to report that?
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13:02<plant-man>I didnt get the error myself, even tho I tried 5 times, so one of you people can email webmaster@debian.org, if you want.
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13:13<catern>hey #debian, if I have a postinst script in a package, is there a way that (in that script) I can access some additional resources inside the package that I don't want to actually install? (is this an appropriate question for here?)
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13:17<bremner>catern: sounds more like ##packaging (or #debian-mentors for official stuff)
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13:20<catern>(##packaging is empty but #packaging works)
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16:10<Sue>I use "apt-get dist-upgrade" to update to Stable distribution. after that I got warning that recommends to use "apt-get update ". After I run "apt-get update " I got errors of "W: GPG error: http://fai-project.org jessie Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 2BF8D9FE074BCDE4"
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16:11<retrospectacus>you can remove that source from your sources, or ignore this warning.
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16:13<Sue>retrospectacus, thanks. How to remove the source from sources? which file? Thanks.
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16:13<retrospectacus>it'll be in /etc/apt/sources.list or some file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
16:14<Sue>retrospectacus, Thanks!!!
16:14<retrospectacus>edit the file and remove or comment out (prepend #) that fai-project line
16:14<Sue>retrospectacus, sure!
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16:16<Sue>retrospectacus, if I removed them from /etc/apt/sources.list will it cause other problems?
16:16<annadane>hmm i feel jessie stuff should be removed in sources list before the update to stretch anyway
16:17<Sue>annadane, that makes sense!!!
16:17<annadane>Sue, did you read the release notes
16:17<annadane>anyway no, if you're updating to stretch it probably won't cause problems
16:18<retrospectacus>recommend getting jessie fully up to date before changing sources to stretch
16:18<annadane>https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/
16:18<annadane>right, also that
16:18<Sue>annadane, no, I just run the commands to upgrade. I will read the release note. Thanks for the link and the information!!!
16:18<annadane>(i'm assuming you have AMD64 which isn't necessarily the case... well anyway, https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/releasenotes for all arches)
16:20<Sue> annadane, yes, it is 3.16.0-4-amd64 before upgrade.
16:20<annadane>right. that's a good way of checking. :P
16:20<annadane>i should keep that in mind in future
16:21<Sue>annadane, thank you!!!
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16:38<Sue>after I remove lines in /etc/apt/sources.list I re-run "apt-get dist-upgrade", it didn't upgrade to Stretch(debian 9). Then I run "apt-get update " it still didn't upgrade to Debian 9. It is still version 8.9 Jessie.
16:39<Sue>version 8
16:39<annadane>Sue, can you post your output and your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d to paste.debian.net
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16:40<Sue>After I removed lines in /etc/apt/sources.list, the file is empty.
16:40<annadane>!stretch sources list
16:41<annadane>dpkg: stretch sources list
16:41<dpkg>annadane: wish i knew
16:41<Sue>and /etc/apt/sources.list.d is empty originally. I didn't remove anything from /etc/apt/sources.list.d
16:41<annadane>dpkg: stretch sources.list
16:41<dpkg>A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main" "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main". Be sure to run «apt update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <stretch/updates> <stretch-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list".
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16:42<annadane>so put those in your /etc/apt/sources.list, apt update (which will tell the system to use the updated version of the sources list file) and then you can proceed with the upgrade
16:42<Sue>annadane, excellent!!!
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17:10<Sue>after I added the sources to /etc/sources.list and run "apt-get dist-upgrade" it look much better and it does install. But I got errors during install.
17:10<Sue>Unpacking libsasl2-modules-db:amd64 (2.1.27~101-g0780600+dfsg-3) ... dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/libsasl2-modules-db_2.1.27~101-g0780600+dfsg -3_amd64.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/sasl2/libsasldb.so.2.0.25', which is also in packag e libsasl2-2:amd64 2.1.25.dfsg1-6+deb7u1
17:12<somiaj>Sue: what did you add to your sources.list? Are you mixing debian versions?
17:13<Sue>somiaj, http://paste.debian.net/1004725/
17:13<somiaj>oh trying to upgrade form jessie -> stretch
17:14<somiaj>well that error is complaing about a wheezy package you still have on your system.
17:14<Sue>and my sources.list is
17:14<Sue>deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates main deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main
17:14<Sue>yes, I try to upgrade from jessie to stretch
17:14<somiaj>you have some old wheezy package on your system causing the problems, you'll ahve to go fix this issue manually
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17:15<somiaj>sure, but you have a conflict with libsasl2-2:amd64 2.1.25.dfsg1-6+deb7u1, and that deb7u1 in the version says it is a wheezy package. The upgrade doesn't know how to handel that by default.
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17:16<Sue>somiaj, that make sense. I upgraded from wheezy -> jessie a while ago. Now we need to upgrade wheezy -> stretch to defend against meltdown
17:16<somiaj>looks like you missed some transition in jessie to the new package names. What does 'aptitude why libsasl2-2:amd64' return
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17:16<somiaj>jessie does have a kernel that protects against meltdown, but at this point you might as well fix/compete the upgrade.
17:16<Sue> aptitude: command not found
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17:17<annadane>my understanding was that you were going from jessie -> stretch... wheezy -> stretch is a bad idea
17:17<somiaj>wonder if installing it would help, you could also try to remove that offending package and hope ti doesn't take much from it.
17:17<somiaj>annadane: looks more like the upgrade to jessie wasn't complete
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17:17<annadane>right
17:18<Sue>No, Debian 7 -> Debian 8 two months agao. Now Debian 8 -> Debian 9
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17:19<somiaj>Sue: your first upgrade wasn't complete, maybe it is just this one package, you could try to remove it, but if it wants to take out half your system then you may have to do other stuff
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17:20<mnuhmnuh>purportedly, upgrading oldoldold --> oldold --> old --> stable ... works. enjoy the hiccups encountered along the way.
17:20<Sue>somiaj, Thanks. What command to remove it?
17:20<Sue>Uninstall?
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17:21<mnuhmnuh>apt remove
17:21<somiaj>Sue: like like any package, apt-get remove libsasl2-2:amd64
17:21<Sue>"aptitude why libsasl2-2:amd64" command not found
17:21<somiaj>make sure you read what else it wants to remove
17:22<annadane>afaik aptitude has few dependencies you if you *needed* it you can probably still install it on a half-upgraded system
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17:22<annadane>for the dependency resolution features
17:22<somiaj>might not be worth it, apt just needs a 'why' (:
17:23<annadane>touche
17:24<Sue>somiaj, thanks. When I run "apt-get remove libsasl2-2:amd64" I got warning and suggests to run " apt --fix-broken install" and I did it without error
17:24<somiaj>and it didn't remove to much other stuff? Good, now try to finsih upgrading
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17:25<Sue>somiaj, no, it didn't try to remove much other stuffs. Should I run apt-get dist-upgrade again?
17:25<somiaj>I would, and just hope you don't have any more artifacts hiding around.
17:25<Sue>somiaj, Thanks. Hope so.
17:28<Sue>somiaj, so for the another similar system when I try to upgarde it from Jessie to Stretch should I run "apt-get remove libsasl2-2:amd64" first before run "apt-get dist-upgrade"?
17:28<somiaj>you should not have that package installed in stretch.
17:28<Sue>we have multiple systems with the same configurations need to upgrade
17:28<somiaj>sorry I mean jessie
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17:29<Sue>Soiaj, I see. That package is from previous Wheezy install
17:29<somiaj>Sue: anyways, you shoud not have to do this, because you had the version from a previous wheezy install
17:29<somiaj>if you would have had the jessie version (like you should have) the conflcit shouldn't have happened
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17:31<Sue>Somiaj, that is right. But our systems are from Wheezy -> jessie, now I try to jessie->stretch. So I need to remove that pack from Jessie before upgrade to Stretch
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17:31<somiaj>Sue: I would go make sure each system is fully upgraded to jessie frist just to make sure
17:32<Sue>Somiaj, good point. How to make sure they are fully upgraded to Jessie?
17:33<DusXMT>Sue: In Aptitude is a section "obsolete packages", if you press minus over them, it marks them to be removed, then you can press g to inspect the list, and once you're sure everything's okay, g again to uninstall them
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17:33<annadane>aptitude purge ~o right?
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17:34<Sue>DusXMT, Thanks. Our system doesn't have aptitude. I need to install it
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17:36<DusXMT>Sue: Yeah, aptitude's quite a useful utility, it used to be installed by default but I guess the project's trying to reduce the install size of the system
17:37<somiaj>in this case, it wasn't an obslete package, it was a package that was not upgraded.
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17:37<somiaj>make sure you have vailid jessie sources.list and fully run apt-get dist-upgrade.
17:37<DusXMT>(w3m is no longer installed by default either, and neither is net-tools (the package that contains /sbin/ifconfig))
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17:38<Sue>somiaj, what are the sources for Jessie?
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17:38<somiaj>Sue: you can use the same as stretch, just use 'jessie' instead
17:38<somiaj>!jessie sources.list
17:38<dpkg>A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie main" "deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ jessie-updates main". Be sure to run «aptitude update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <jessie/updates> <jessie-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list".
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17:40<Sue>somiaj, so I need to modify /etc/apt/sources.list with valid jessie sources and run "apt-get dist-upgrade" to upgrade to Jessie completely. Then update the sources list with valid stretch sources and run "apt-get dist-upgrade?
17:40<Sue>dpkg, thanks
17:40<dpkg>no worries, Sue
17:40<somiaj>in theory, also read the release notes
17:40<Sue>ok
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17:41<annadane>Sue, dpkg is just a bot
17:42<Sue>annadane, thanks
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18:23<Sue>If I don't upgrade Jessie to stretch, but I want a patch on Jessie to defend against Meltdown&spectre what should I do to download and install the patch?
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18:43<ais-admin>The kernel patches are delivered in the normal upgrade manner - just do an "apt-get update" then an "apt-get upgrade" (which you should be doing on a regular basis anyway to keep your system up to date)
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18:47<annadane>Sue, meltdown was patched in the regular jessie kernel patch
18:47<annadane>spectre no because it's not clear how to
18:48<ais-admin>ahh didnt know that. Thanks for the clarification annadane...
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18:54<noron88>HI
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19:00<mnuhmnuh>!hi
19:00<dpkg>hello, mnuhmnuh
19:00<mnuhmnuh>!hi noron88
19:03<noron88>How is everything?
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19:04<aen>!hi
19:04<dpkg>hello, aen
19:05<aen>hm
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19:08<Sue>annadane, Thanks. I did upgrade successfully. Thanks
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19:14*mnuhmnuh woohoo! :-)
19:15<mnuhmnuh>love hearing it works for others too.
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19:23<JessicaD>hi When I type uname -a I see two different kernel version (4.14.0-3 and 4.14.12-2? is that normal?
19:23<JessicaD>Linux debian 4.14.0-3-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.14.12-2 (2018-01-06) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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19:34<ivan>JessicaD: yes
19:35<ivan>4.14.0-3 is the package name/abi version and 4.14.12-2 is the kernel version
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19:35<JessicaD>so everything is ok ivan?
19:35<ivan>yes
19:35<JessicaD>thanks a lot!!
19:35<ivan>sure
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20:23<ais-admin>one last thing Sue - after the apt-get upgrade check for packages held back. You may have to do an apt-get install 'package_name_of_held_package' to force the install of the new kernel
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20:29<mnuhmnuh>sheesh. abi still (! huh!) == Application Binary Interface.
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20:30<mnuhmnuh>i thought tlas recycled themselves every three mo. these days.
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23:55-!-Darcidride_ is "Quentin" on #ceph #debian #debian-arm #debian-boot #debian-bugs #debian-gnome #debian-next #debian-systemd #gcc #observium #osm #ovirt #qemu #tor #tor-project #virt
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