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#debian IRC Logs for 2018-01-16

---Logopened Tue Jan 16 00:00:51 2018
00:01-!-Darcidride [~Quentin@194.2.202.81] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
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00:02-!-ach is "spooky" on #debian
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00:06-!-dboehmer is "Daniel B\xF6hmer,,," on #debian
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00:17-!-sunilmohan is "Sunil Mohan Adapa" on #freedombox-ci #debian-arm #debian-webapps #freedombox #debian-reproducible #pere #monkeysphere #debian-diaspora #debian-js #debian #debian-in #debian-boot #debian-blends
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00:25-!-zyley is "realname" on #oftc #moocows #debian-next #debian
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00:33-!-annadane is "realname" on #debian-bots #tor-project #tor-offtopic #tor #privacytech #debian-www #debian-offtopic #debian-next #debian-mirrors #debian-mentors #debian-kde #debian-bugs #debian-apt #debian
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00:36-!-graytron is "graytron" on #debian
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00:36-!-nowhere_man is "Pierre Thierry" on @#concatenative @#emacs @#git @#erights #lisp #debian-kde #debian
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00:49-!-jm_ is "." on #debian #debian-ops
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00:56-!-benages is "Juanjo Benages,,," on #debian-es #debian #debian-next
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00:59-!-alanz is "Your Name" on #debian #smuxi
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01:09-!-gtristan is "Tristan Van Berkom" on #kernelnewbies #qemu #debian #ninja-build #debian-next #reproducible-builds
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01:24-!-morpheusb1 is "Morpheus Being" on #debian
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01:25-!-llun is "llun" on #debian #tlwg
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01:25-!-anders is "anders" on #debian
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01:40-!-babyflakes is "p4cman" on #moocows #linux-rt #perf #sched #iovisor #debian-systemd #freebsd #bcache #linuxfs #gcc #slackware #ext4 #storage #pdxpenguins
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01:53-!-Q-Master^Work is "Vladimir Berezenko" on #debian #debian-next #debianppc
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01:53-!-gr8ron is "graytron" on #debian
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01:59-!-marcus is "Marcus Lundblad" on #debian #debian-gnome
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02:00-!-marcus is "Marcus Lundblad" on #debian #debian-gnome
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02:24-!-gr8ron is "graytron" on #debian
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02:25-!-fstd_ is "fstd" on #gentoo #linuxfs #gcc #awesome #oftc #vserver #suckless #osm #linode #debian #kernelnewbies
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02:28-!-iderik is "idk" on #suckless #qtile #debian-games #gcc #awesome #debian
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02:32-!-raf_ is "Raf Pauwels" on #freedombox #debian
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02:37-!-AzaToth is "Carl Fürstenberg" on #debian-perl #debian-mentors #debian
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02:40-!-Haudegen is "AP,,," on #debian-til #debian.or.at #debian-desktop #debian-kde #security #debian-next #debian
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02:43-!-mpmc is "Mark C [Bouncer]" on #moocows #phillw #oftc #debian
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02:45-!-narcan is "Denis Briand" on #debian-localgroups #debian-mentors #debian-next #debian-offtopic #debian-france #debian
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02:54-!-miklcct_ is "Michael Tsang" on #debian-next #osm #debian
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02:59-!-in1t3r is "in1t3r" on #debian #cryptodotis #https-everywhere #otr-dev #tor-project #useotr #subgraph #tor #debconf #debian-next #virt #qemu
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03:06<spacebug[m]>How does chromium handle fonts? Because I get squares for some utf-8 characters, but everything looks good in Firefox. Any way to fix this?
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03:07-!-skitt is "Stephen Kitt" on #debian #debian-ftp #debian-mentors
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03:17-!-llun is now known as nat3
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03:24<Anarka>if you edit your firefox menu you can add a encoding selector
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03:25<Anarka>menu/toolbar
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03:51<ivan_>Good day everyone. Here is my question : under stretch on the s390x architecture, I have the following issue. Once in a while (not always) when the system is brought up, my network interface is being brought up (ifup) *BEFORE* the "Predictable interface name" renaming occurs (and therefore fails) . I suspect a dependency issue somewhere in systemd (but could be wrong). How do I report this (is this really a systemd issue ?)
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03:55<jm_>do you have any logs about that?
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03:56<ivan_>Log for the problem is here : https://pastebin.com/g2zzHexj
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04:01<jm_>hmm bot sure on that one -- networking.service has After=network-pre.target and Before=network.target network-online.target, maybe try playing with that
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04:02<jm_>or maybe switch to systemd for configuring network
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04:03<ivan_>@jm_ this is vanilla stretch install - isn't systemd the default for network configuration ?
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04:03<jm_>ivan_: nope, as you can see from your log DEB001 ifup[213]: ifup: failed to bring up enca00
04:04<jm_>systemctl show networking.service
04:04<ivan_>@jm_ yes - but ifup was invoked from network.services which is invoked by systemd right ?
04:05<jm_>ivan_: yes, but that's not the same as systemd configuring network interfaces, see here https://www.redpill-linpro.com/techblog/2016/08/17/systemd-network.html
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04:10<ivan_>jm_: There is no systemd-networkd package in stretch/s390x ...
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04:13<jm_>ivan_: systemd-networkd is part of the systemd package itself
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04:21<ivan_>jm_: Wondering is the problem may not be somewhere else... it *seems* (still guessing) that network services (be it network.services or systemd-networkd.services) isn't waiting for udev to be done !
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04:24<jm_>ivan_: yes, that's why I said try playing with Before/After for networking.service (man page says network.target is weakly defined)
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04:36<ivanw>jm_: Switched to an IRC client (instead of a web client)
04:39<jm_>ivan_: maybe also try #systemd on irc.freenode.net
04:39<ivanw>jm_: I'll try that as well right away ;)
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04:58<ivanw>jm_: DUH ! It's neither a systemd issue not a network.services issue ! It's a s390x DI install issue ! The interface shouldn't have been marked as "auto" in /etc/network/interfaces ! It should be in the allow-hotplug list !
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05:04<jm_>ivanw: yeah makes sense
05:04<ivanw>jm_: Putting in the allow_hotplug list eleviates the issue ! (works with both systemd-networkd.services enabled or disabled)
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05:07<ivanw>jm_: https://pastebin.com/ksWMBbBB (shows the correct behaviour with allow_hotplug)
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05:10<ivanw>jm_: Now off to see with the DI people ;) is there any specific channel for this ?
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05:20<grawity>...I wonder if there's still any point in marking physical interfaces 'auto' these days
05:20<grawity>rather than 'allow-hotplug'
05:23<ivanw>grawity: Except for lo... I agree
05:23<grawity>lo is not a physical interface
05:23<ivanw>grawity: True ;)
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05:48<jm_>ivan_: #debian-boot ?
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05:53<ivanw>jm_: I'll check - and ask my question - we'll see ;)
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07:05<nasd4>intel has given a microcode to close spectre meltdown vulnerabilities. i guess that it is proprietary code. is it included in the debian updates ?
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07:08<pinaraf>nasd4: only spectre, they can not close meltdown
07:08<pinaraf>and it's available in non-free, intel-microcode package
07:09<jm_>isn't it the other way arround, only meltdown, no spectre fix?
07:09<pinaraf>jm_: well, it depends on your point of view :)
07:10<pinaraf>meltdown can 'easily' be fixed by the OS (with performance cost, some developer pain…)
07:10<pinaraf>meltdown can not be fixed on the CPU
07:10<pinaraf>spectre can be more or less fixed on the CPU, at least made harder to use
07:11<pinaraf>spectre is quite hard to fix from a software point of view
07:12<nasd4>there is a command to get rid of old data on ram. i think, can that help?
07:12<petn-randall>nasd4: No.
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07:13<nasd4>would be to easy , guess if that was the case meltdown and spectre wouldnt be an issue
07:13<pinaraf>nasd4: nothing will help you for meltdown except KPTI or changing your CPU (and motherboard since you'll have to leave intel)
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07:13<nasd4>if it would be a 1 line command in the console
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07:14<petn-randall>Well, Intel *could* disable speculative execution with a microcode update, but ... :)
07:14<nasd4>y, they have it for better performance as far as i know
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07:15<nasd4>ty :D
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07:18<pinaraf>petn-randall: I think I'd much rather have KPTI :)
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08:40<HumanG33k>hello one of you already setup gitlab with ldap backend ?
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08:42<HumanG33k>i can’t clone from my repo
08:43<HumanG33k>remote: HTTP Basic: Access denied when i try from the admin account
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08:49<Arpegius>How can I force the loading of the module ntfs-3g on boot even if no ntfs filesystem is mounted?
08:50<somiaj>it doesn't autoload when you need it?
08:50<somiaj>I think modules listed in /etc/modules are still loaded at boot, but haven't checked since systemd became default
08:51<somiaj>seems you can also put files in /etc/modules-load.d/foo.conf files too
08:51<Arpegius>Okay, I'll try, see later
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09:28<Arpegius>How can I remove pulseaudio and set gnome audio output to alsa instead?
09:29<petn-randall>Arpegius: Why would you want that?
09:29<petn-randall>Arpegius: IIRC, gnome depends on pulseaudio on newer releases.
09:29<blast007>are you having some problem with pulseaudio that we could assist in fixing?
09:30<Arpegius>blast007, the only way to fix pulseaudio is REMOOV
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09:32<petn-randall>Arpegius: Sounds like you don't want to use gnome then.
09:33<HumanG33k>why gnome doesn’t work wuth alsa ?
09:33<HumanG33k>*i
09:33<blast007>Firefox 52 also needs PulseAudio, I think
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09:34<HumanG33k>yes that for i have to dl all content with sound …
09:34<petn-randall>HumanG33k: Because pulseaudio solves problems. For example, it allows multiple devices to play sounds when the HW only supports a single input stream.
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09:35<HumanG33k>hum … i had trouble with pulse more than alsa
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09:36<petn-randall>HumanG33k: Have you tried it in the last two years?
09:36<HumanG33k>3-4 month
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09:36<HumanG33k>sometimes some app just no have sound
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09:38<HumanG33k>can’t easily switch from headset and intern speaker
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09:39<grove>Except that I have to select "Headphones (unplugged)" as outout device in pavucontrol to have sounds in my headphones, pulseaudio works fine for me
09:39<grove>s/outout/output/
09:39<HumanG33k>i use to use pavu too
09:39<petn-randall>grove: That might be because of broken jack sensing (HW broken).
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09:41<HumanG33k>i just think now if you don’t use what most people use dev just don’t care. no compatibility or iso in order to let users do their choices
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09:43<petn-randall>HumanG33k: It's not like anyone who cared stepped up and helped with fixing the code that gnome can run on plain ALSA.
09:43<blast007>devs have to focus their available time/effort on what they feel is most important. if it's something you care enough about, step up and maintain the feature.
09:43<grove>petn-randall: Quite possible, as sounds works I really don't care
09:44<HumanG33k>i know and i will do.
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09:45<HumanG33k>No one can know why when i try a git clone on my debian gitlab i just get remote: HTTP Basic: Access denied
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09:46<petn-randall>HumanG33k: Sounds like it's not set up correctly. Hard to say without any details at all.
09:47<HumanG33k>runuser -u gitlab -- sh -c 'cd /usr/share/gitlab && . /etc/gitlab/gitlab-debian.conf && export DB RAILS_ENV && rake gitlab:check RAILS_ENV=production'
09:48<HumanG33k>say everything is ok
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09:49<HumanG33k>or not ...
09:49<HumanG33k>one time yes one time no
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09:51<HumanG33k>the fact is i can use the gui but clone fail
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09:51<petn-randall>HumanG33k: Is that the way it's supposed to be set up according the docs?
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09:52<HumanG33k>i currently use the debian package with apache and ldap
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09:53<HumanG33k>i follow doc gitlab and debian readme in the package
09:54<petn-randall>HumanG33k: /usr/share/doc/gitlab/ should have the authorative docs on how to set it up, the gitlab docs might be newer or expect the omnibus installer.
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09:55<HumanG33k>i use /usr/share/doc/gitlab/ and the gitlab one for the apache conf
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09:55<Maximilian>Hello
09:56<HumanG33k>hi
09:56<Maximilian>On what you chat?
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09:58<Maximilian>Hello
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10:02<Maximilian>Hi
10:02<Maximilian>Hi jhutchins_wk
10:02<petn-randall>Maximilian: Hi, do you have a Debian support question?
10:03<Maximilian>no
10:03<petn-randall>!chat
10:03<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
10:03<petn-randall>Maximilian: If you want to chat, you can find some info about other channels above. ^^^
10:04<Maximilian>oh, sorry...
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10:06<petn-randall>Maximilian: No worries, and welcome to IRC. :)
10:06<Maximilian>can you German?
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10:12<Maximilian>How can i Download 'Arduino programmer' on debian?
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10:14<petn-randall>!de
10:14<dpkg>Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
10:14<HumanG33k>apt install arduino
10:14<Maximilian>thanks
10:14<petn-randall>Maximilian: I can, but this channel is english only. See above for help in German. ^^^
10:14<petn-randall>(I'm also there)
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10:23<muhammad>Hello everyone, I have a minor problem. I would like gdebi manager to request sudo password on installing new deb packages via UI.
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10:23<muhammad>I set it to empty before, now it doesn't require a password.
10:23<muhammad>I tried to reset my gnome-keyring
10:23<muhammad>doesn't work.
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10:23<muhammad>so I think I don't know where to adjust this.
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10:30<muhammad>Anyone online please?
10:30<petn-randall>muhammad: There are many people only, but they'll only respond if they know the answer.
10:30<petn-randall>*online
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10:31<muhammad>@petn-randall Alright, thank you.
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10:32<petn-randall>muhammad: So just be a little patient, it might take an hour or so for someone to respond.
10:32<muhammad>Of course, I am alright with it. I thought it was a trivial task.
10:32<muhammad>Thank you for all help.
10:33<muhammad>I just don't like this; as it is a major thing, if someone sets on my desk, they may install any kind of software they like.
10:33<muhammad>but it's not worth a fresh installation :)
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10:50<jhutchins_wk>muhammad You have something like %sudo ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL in your sudoers file. remove/comment that, or add a line that says %sudo ALL=(all): /path/to/gdebi
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10:51<jhutchins_wk>Read the man page for sudo and sudoers and possibly some web docs.
10:51<jhutchins_wk>!sudo
10:51<dpkg>[sudo] (Substitute User DO) Not enabled by default on Debian systems; configure /etc/sudoers first, ask me about <visudo>, <sudoers>. sudo can give limited super user privileges to specific users, or allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root permissions, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program". See also <sudo path>. http://wiki.debian.org/sudo http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html
10:52<jhutchins_wk>muhammad: Don't just copy my syntax, I don't manage our sudoers files much these days and my memory may be off.
10:53<muhammad>I understand sudoers
10:53<muhammad>Problem is gedbi runs in user mode :D
10:53<muhammad>or more precisely, doesn't ask for a sudo password and switches to root privellages
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10:53<muhammad>but I will look there
10:54<petn-randall>muhammad: Do ther sudo commands ask for a password?
10:54<muhammad>yes
10:54<muhammad>I am sure my problem lies with the keyring.
10:54<muhammad>I created an unprotected keyring
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10:55<muhammad>I just want to get rid of it.
10:55<muhammad>so I removed all keyrings
10:55<muhammad>but problem persists
10:55<schoppenhauer4>hello. is it possible to use iptables in stretch? (that is, postponing an upgrade to nftables?)
10:56<petn-randall>schoppenhauer4: The userspace tool? Sure.
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11:14<schoppenhauer4>petn-randall: and the kernel?
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11:17<petn-randall>!tias
11:17<dpkg>TIAS is "Try It And See".
11:18<petn-randall>schoppenhauer4: There are compat bits in place, so it's not a problem.
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11:19<Maximilian>I have a question. How can i create a new Chanel?
11:20<tda> /join #chanel
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11:27<mouserbiz>gud morning
11:27<Maximilian>Hi
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11:30<mouserbiz>May I find here cvv supplier ? O.O
11:31<blast007>mouserbiz: let me guess... running Parrot?
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11:32<mouserbiz>running Carrot?
11:32<blast007>what linux are you running?
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11:32<mouserbiz>I use windows
11:33<petn-randall>mouserbiz: Do you have a Debian support question?
11:33<mouserbiz>Millenium, best windows ever.
11:33<mouserbiz>What is Debian?
11:33<blast007>nah, they're looking for stolen credit card details
11:34<mouserbiz>I am looking for cvv supplier, not stolen credit cards
11:34<mouserbiz>what ar you talking about
11:34<blast007>what is cvv?
11:34<blast007>cuz cvv for me comes up as "Card Verification Value"
11:35<towo`>mouserbiz, wrong channel, play elsewhere
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11:37<mouserbiz>you use too much google, have you tried ecosia? Type of cinamon I am looking veegan friendly comes from India and called debian in Indian
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11:37<petn-randall>mouserbiz: Try to keep the signal-to-noise ratio low next time.
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11:37<tda>cinnamon isn't vegan?
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11:38<Maximilian> op
11:38<blast007>that was interesting
11:38<Maximilian>what was this ??!?
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11:41<Maximilian>#debian
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11:42<petn-randall>Maximilian: Do you have a Debian support question?
11:42<Maximilian>yes
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11:44<schoppenhauer4>petn-randall: so I can use my old iptables-rules without modification, until I ported them?
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11:44<petn-randall>schoppenhauer4: yes
11:44<jhutchins_wk>!info gdebi
11:44<dpkg>gdebi: (simple tool to view and install deb files - GNOME GUI), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.9.5.7+nmu2 (sid), Packaged size: 39 kB, Installed size: 169 kB
11:45<Maximilian>yes
11:46<petn-randall>Maximilian: Well ... you haven't asked it yet.
11:46<schoppenhauer4>petn-randall: ok. I got some error message (gah, didn't copy it) that it cannot load the kernel modules
11:47<petn-randall>schoppenhauer4: Which kernel are you running? And what error did you get? Copying the error message is quite important, I'd say.
11:48<schoppenhauer4>petn-randall: yes. I'll try it again and come back when I have an error message copied. thank you so far.
11:48<Maximilian>petn-randall: how can i install c++ on debian?
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11:50<jhutchins_wk>!c++
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11:52<Maximilian>sudo apt-get install c++ does not work!
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11:53<bremner>try with "g++"
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11:53<tda>what are you trying to do? more specifically?
11:53<jhutchins_wk>bremner: http://www.cplusplus.com/forum/unices/103710/
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11:53<tda>build-essential will get you the compile and std headers
11:54<jhutchins_wk>Sorry, Maximilian ^^
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11:54<jhutchins_wk>tda: ...also the kitchen sink.
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11:54<bremner>but not boost
11:54<Maximilian>bremner: And how can i open 'g++' ?
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11:56<tda>by typing it. you're not expecting a gui right?
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11:59<Maximilian>bremner: And how can i open 'g++' ?
12:00<blast007>Maximilian: g++ is a command line compiler. it's not an Integrated Development Environment.
12:00<Maximilian>ok thanks blast007
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12:01<gabi>AVE !!
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12:05<Blacker47>less $(which g++)
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12:08<HumanG33k>a sub domain is a relative path ?
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12:09<HumanG33k>(apache rubis gitlab related)
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12:11<Maximilian>18:11
12:12<Maximilian>2 = 2 ;
12:13<petn-randall>Maximilian: Could you please stop spamming the channel?
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14:19<laerus>hey, isn't the default 755 persmission for the home dir a security issue?
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14:20<laerus>afaik archlinux has a UMASK of 077 and debian has 022 for new dirs
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14:21<laerus>any reason for this?
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14:31<noahm>history
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14:32<annadane>!irclog
14:32<dpkg>rumour has it, irclog is #debian on <freenode> is logged at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23debian/ , #debian on <OFTC> is logged at http://irclogs.thegrebs.com/debian/
14:32<annadane>noahm, ^
14:32<noahm>that's not what I meant
14:33<noahm>I was answering laerus's question about umask
14:33<annadane>ah
14:34<noahm>but of course, it doesn't seem that laerus is even here anymore, so...
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16:19<b17>if i am not using a session mgr or dm, then is there any reason to use-session-dbus in Xsession.options?
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16:52<sue>after I update /etc/apt/spurces.list and run "apt-get update", I got multiple errors of NOt found. Fetched 13.6 kB in 10s (1,246 B/s) W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/webupd8team/y-ppa-manager/ubuntu/dists/wheezy/main/source/Sources 404 Not Found W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/webupd8team/y-ppa-manager/ubuntu/dists/wheezy/main/binary-amd64/Packages 404 Not Found W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/webupd8team/java/ubuntu/
16:54<sue>oh, I might need to reboot after update /etc/apt/sources.list
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16:54<Dark-Jedi>sue: Here's what wrong. You probably followed the standard method for adding PPA's.
16:54<Dark-Jedi>sue: add-apt-repository?
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16:55<bremner>that's not a debian thing
16:55<Dark-Jedi>sue: That doesn't work when you're adding Ubuntu repos to Debian, because add-apt-repo uses the system version as part of the sources. So it filled in wheezy instead of the Ubuntu version you actually need to grab from.
16:55<sue>Dark-Jedi, 1. I removed everything in /etc/apt/sources.list. 2. add three lines to update wheezy to Jesse. 3. apt-get update
16:56<Dark-Jedi>sue: Then those sources must be in /etc/apt/sources.list.d
16:56<sue>I am not sure where ubuntu link is from
16:57<sue>oh, so I need to update sources.list.d as well
16:57<Dark-Jedi>sue: Sources are pulled from both of those locations, yes.
16:58<jhutchin2_wk>!don't break debian
16:58<dpkg>i guess dont break debian is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian
16:58<Dark-Jedi>dpkg: You guess correctly.
16:58<dpkg>I resemble that remark!
16:58<jhutchin2_wk>sue: You don't want to mix Debian and Ubuntu packages, and you don't want to mix Debian support and an Ubuntu system. Both will break things.
16:59<sue>and under /etc/apt/sources.list.d there are multiple files as below, webupd8team-java.list webupd8team-java-wheezy.list.save webupd8team-java.list.save webupd8team-y-ppa-manager-wheezy.list webupd8team-java-wheezy.list
16:59<Dark-Jedi>sue: I would remove all of those.
16:59<sue>jhutchin2_wk, you are right. But I don't know where the Unbuntu links are from?
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17:00<sue>Dark-Jedi, do you mean delete all files under /etc/apt/sources.list.d?
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17:00<Dark-Jedi>sue: Yeah. The .list files contain the extra packages links you are confused about.
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17:27<SecureShell12>My users login to my debian server using ssh shells. I am thinking about doing away with passwords and just using ssh keys to make it secure. Does anyone have any ideas the best way to implement this? Do I make the user create their own ssh keys? Or do I generate it, store their private on a secure server, email them the link then delete it after 24 hours?
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17:28<SecureShell12>I am ultimately looking for the best way to manage my users and minimize their ability to set awful passwords
17:28<tda>ldap?
17:29<SecureShell12>Thinking about it as I type it I guess I could make the password requirements harder
17:29<tda>just one server?
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17:30<adhawkins>Evening all. Just this evening I've seen ssh connections from my local network to rsync.net fail. They stop at the following message:
17:30<adhawkins>debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT sent
17:30<adhawkins>Connection reset by 82.197.184.220 port 22
17:30<adhawkins>I can successfully ssh to other servers from my local network.
17:30<adhawkins>And these other servers can then successfully ssh intpo rsync.net using the same details.
17:31<adhawkins>I've tried dropping the mtu on the two network interfaces on my linux gateway to 1400 (from 1500) but this hasn't helped.
17:31<adhawkins>Any suggestions?
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17:31<SecureShell12>tda: I am managing multiple servers. I was thinking of using ansible to streamline whatever I decide
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17:38<sue>I got errors when doing apt-get dist-upgrade, dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/udev_215-17+deb8u7_amd64.deb (--unpack): subprocess new pre-installation script returned error exit status 1 update-rc.d: warning: start and stop actions are no longer supported; falling back to defaults update-rc.d: warning: start and stop actions are no longer supported; falling back to defaults Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/arc
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17:39<Brigo>sue, what version of debian are you using?
17:40<sue>I try to upgrade from Wheezy to jessie
17:41<Brigo>is that the only error?
17:41<sue>these are multiple errors
17:42<sue>dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/udev_215-17+deb8u7_amd64.deb (--unpack): subprocess new pre-installation script returned error exit status 1 update-rc.d: warning: start and stop actions are no longer supported; falling back to defaults update-rc.d: warning: start and stop actions are no longer supported; falling back to defaults Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/udev_215-17+deb8u7_amd64.deb E: Sub-proce
17:42<dpkg>sue: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
17:42<sue>dpkg, can you send me the link to post messages?
17:42<dpkg>i don't know, sue
17:42<Brigo>sue, paste.debian.net will sufice
17:42<adhawkins>Apologies, while trying some things to fix my SSH issue, I hosed my network. I may have missed any responses. Did anyone have any suggestions?
17:43<Dark-Jedi>What person decided that dpkg made a good name for a bot?
17:43<Brigo>not me :)
17:43<sue>http://paste.debian.net/1005585/
17:44<Brigo>sue, still that is not the whole output, we need all the data.
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17:45<sue>Brigo, I will run it again and get all data
17:46<Brigo>sue, nice.
17:46<friki>sue: amd64?
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18:20<Iridos>Dark-Jedi, well… /msg dpkg owner
18:21<annadane>dpkg: who owns you
18:21<dpkg>dondelelcaro does
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18:22<annadane>well, that's probably pinged them now, sorry
18:22<Iridos>and the bots are all called after the packaging tools. there is/was also apt and…
18:22<Iridos>yeah, I didn't actually want to do that
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18:41<sentriz54>hello, how can I let all users access a RAID mount in fstab? atm it looks like `/dev/md/media_0 /mnt/media auto defaults,rw,users 0 0`
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18:45<retrospectacus>fstype? permissions? What happens when you touch /mnt/media/foo as a user?
18:46<sentriz54>retrospectacus: ext4, 666 recursively
18:46<sentriz54>sec
18:47<retrospectacus>directories need +x (777)
18:47<sentriz54>ohh
18:47<sentriz54>http://i.imgur.com/y5xWMXD.png
18:47<sentriz54>would that explain this
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18:48<retrospectacus>the Permission denied, yes. Not sure about all those ?????
18:48<sentriz54>should I do 777 -R /mnt/media
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18:48<sentriz54>?
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18:49<retrospectacus>mmmh that would work
18:49<sentriz54>niiice
18:50<sentriz54>now they're all that stupid green colour that i cant read
18:50<sentriz54>anyway
18:50<sentriz54>thanks for your help :)
18:50<retrospectacus>not great to have movies and text files and whatnot 777 but ...
18:50<retrospectacus>some kind of invocation of `find` could fix all that but it would be complicated
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18:50<b17>i use a little snippet i saw to fix file/folder perms like this
18:50<b17>find htdocs -type f -exec chmod 664 {} + -o -type d -exec chmod 775 {} +
18:51<sentriz54>ooooooooooooooooooooooooo
18:51<sentriz54>very nice
18:51<retrospectacus>bam
18:53<sentriz54>very nice b17, that works well. how can i make sure all future dirs/files are 775/664
18:53<sentriz54>?
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19:00<teatime>b17: there's a convenient GNU shortcut for that: the capital X in symbolic notation, like: `chmod -R ug=rwX,o=rX` is equivalent to your find command
19:00<teatime>sentriz54: that's a per-user/per-process setting called umask; for a given user you can set it up in your/their shell rc files
19:01<teatime>sentriz54: default is umask 0022 which creates files as 644; 0002 would make them 664 instead; 0077 would make them 600.
19:02<sentriz54>teatime, I see, and what about directories
19:02<teatime>directories with above umasks would be 755, 775, and 700 respectively
19:03<sentriz54>ahhhh nice one
19:03<sentriz54>thank you
19:03<teatime>if they're created some other way than manually, like web server uploads, or FTP server, etc., generally that software will have configuration for default modes.
19:04<teatime>which may be as simple as a setting called 'umask'
19:07<teatime>there are some other tricks. like if you set the setgid bit on a directory, files created there will inherit the directory's group by default rather than the creating user's primary group
19:08<teatime>once I learned about the X w/ GNU chmod, I end up using it a lot to just-in-case normalize permissions on directory trees. so I don't have to worry as much about getting it all right when I'm actually working on it; just fix it all up at the end.
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19:57<lavamind>I'm trying to install nvidia-driver from stretch-backports, but I'm stuck at nvidia-alternative : Depends: glx-alternative-nvidia (>= 0.7)
19:57<lavamind>yet I have glx-alternative-nvidia 0.7.4 installed
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19:57<lavamind>afaict 0.7.4 >= 0.7 no?
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20:27<Guest2025>um no one
20:28<lavamind>eep, well seems I had to specify a bunch more packages in my apt install -t stretch-backports command, but now it want to remove 262 packages (including gnome-shell)
20:28<Guest2025>hello
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20:31<annadane>ffs.
20:31<annadane>if you're still here and haven't changed your nickname again, it's a support channel, ask your question
20:32<annadane>but i guess that's too much to hope for
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20:38<teatime>lavamind: please dpaste full output; also you can try aptitude, it can generate multiple solutions that you can inspect in turn
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20:39<AndyVoigt>goo.gl/MTewjL
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20:40<lavamind>teatime: https://paste.debian.net/1005590/
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20:41<lavamind>teatime: I tried aptitude also but it fails at finding a good solution, its best guess has dependencies left unresolved
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20:42<lavamind>it also prints out this error (a few times) Internal error: found 2 (choice -> promotion) mappings for a single choice.
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20:43<dfceaef[m]>I love package manager
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20:44<dfceaef[m]>It breaks everything, but at least dependencies are satisfied, right?
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20:44<lavamind>dfceaef[m]: to be fair it works >99% of the time
20:44<teatime>the error is weird. does it leave just a couple of deps unresolved in some solution? those are probably your most problematic packages, for further inspection of their deps. you might also get some mileage out of aptitude why and aptitude why-not
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20:45<teatime>dfceaef[m]: good package management is *awesome* compared to the alternative, and IMHO apt & debian's repos are the best in the world.
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20:46<lavamind>teatime: this is the aptitude output https://paste.debian.net/1005591/
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20:47<teatime> nvidia-vulkan-common : Conflicts: libgl1-nvidia-glx but 375.82-1~deb9u1 is installed and it is kept back
20:47<teatime>the kept back / manual hold is probably part of your problem
20:47<teatime>also you can specify things you want to uninstall-slash-not-install on the aptitude command line with a -
20:48<teatime>which helps you choose manually between two conflicts
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20:49<teatime>do you need to specify these libraries manually / do you actually need all of these?
20:50<lavamind>teatime: apt-mark showhold shows nothing :s
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20:54<teatime>you know something super odd here
20:54<teatime>it lists nvidia-kernel-dkms under 'packages will upgraded:'
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20:55<dfceaef[m]>apt install libegl1 libgl1 libglx0 ?
20:55<teatime>and as something not installed under 'Leave the following unresolved'
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20:55<teatime>those what a specific version though, I suppose is why
20:56<dfceaef[m]>This solved my nvidia problem
20:56<teatime>yeah, I'd take it apart piece by piece if that works, to hopefully make the # of packages involved / problem smaller once you run into it again
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20:57<teatime>some of these look like real conflicts
20:57<teatime> libgldispatch0-nvidia:i386 : Conflicts: libglvnd0 but 1.0.0-1 is to be installed
20:57<teatime>ibgl1-glvnd-nvidia-glx : Conflicts: libgl1-nvidia-glx but 375.82-1~deb9u1 is installed and it is kept back
20:57<teatime>that I suspect reflect actual conflicts among the packages you're requesting on the command-line
20:58<teatime>otherwise aptitude would probably suggest a solution that wants to remove packages, but only lib packages you don't need w/ the new backports packages
20:58<teatime>and not applications
20:59<lavamind>teatime: I removed libgl1-nvidia-glx libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386 and nvidia-smi and it seems to go further
20:59<lavamind>but still several key packages left uninstalled
21:00<lavamind>teatime: https://paste.debian.net/1005593/
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21:01<teatime>also are you fully updated?
21:01<lavamind>yes
21:03<lavamind>afk for a minute
21:04<teatime>lavamind: that solution actually doesn't look so bad. no promises you won't be broken afterward, but my suspicion is you'd be in better shape, maybe fixed?
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21:29<lavamind>teatime: fixed, yay!
21:30<teatime>lavamind: nice. by accepting that solution?
21:30<lavamind>yep
21:30<teatime>:)
21:30<teatime>mnuhmnuh: hope you were paying attention to that ^^
21:30<teatime>mnuhmnuh: that's how you use aptitude.
21:30<lavamind>it was able to compile against linux 4.14-backport, which the stable driver could not
21:31<lavamind>so i'm ktpi-patched now :p
21:31<lavamind>(fwiw, considering I'm running a nonfree gfx driver)
21:31<lavamind>s/ktpi/kpti/
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21:36<b17>lavamind: what ver is the kernel 4.14.11?
21:37<lavamind>b17: hum, 4.14.7 rather, oops
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21:39<cef>should be 4.14.12 FWIW
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21:43<lavamind>cef: it just entered unstable 11 days ago
21:43<lavamind>will probably be backported soon enough
21:43<cef>lavamind: the source is in backports.
21:44<cef>lavamind: just a matter now of when it's built afaik.
21:44<lavamind>cef: it's not, afaict https://packages.debian.org/source/stable-backports/linux
21:45<cef>lavamind: https://tracker.debian.org/news/901455
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21:46<cef>from https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/linux-latest FWIW
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21:47<cef>that said, I just installed it from sid only my stretch/stretch-backports setup.. one of the few packages I'd consider doing it for.
21:48<cef>only = on
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21:51<engine40>hi! is there a particular kernel build that is optimized for crypto mining?
21:51<Guest2028>test
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21:57<cef>lavamind: also: https://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2018/01/msg00269.html - so basically, it seems to be happening right now. :D
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22:05<lavamind>cef: thanks
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22:38<tidux[m]>I'm trying to to do a netinstall on arm64 but the USB device seems to be convinced it's a CD-ROM
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22:39<tidux[m]>and the USB device itself isn't detected after boot
22:39<tidux[m]>is this a known limitation of the kernel on arm64?
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22:41<tidux[m]>I've confirmed via sha512sum I downloaded the iso correctly
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22:47<b17>tidux[m]: i think all the install images think they are cd-roms
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22:48<b17>it's just a name
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22:49<tidux[m]>In that case it might be a driver issue. Do the arm64 iso kernels include xhci_pci.ko?
22:50<b17>or maybe actually they are iso9660 even when cp to usb
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22:52<tidux[m]>looks like xhci_pci exists, but can't find the USB controller on my system
22:52<tidux[m]>lspci at least detects the PCI ID
22:53<teatime>sounds like perhaps the kernel does not support your particular USB 3 chipset.
22:54<teatime>you should be able to use the PCIID to find out more info
22:54<tidux[m]>which is really weird, given that OpenSuse supports it in a 4.4 kernel
22:54<tidux[m]>and the installer is 4.9
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22:54<teatime>it could also be something weird about the BIOS (or equivalent) on your h/w, if it's not one you know of working with linux
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22:55<tidux[m]>it came with opensuse leap 42.3 preinstalled
22:55<teatime>like when it boots off USB maybe it engages some unusual CDROM emulation
22:55<teatime>all just speculation though
22:55<tidux[m]>it boots from internal standard SATA by default
22:55<tidux[m]>and the kernel says usb_storage is in use so it can at least SORT OF see the drive
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22:56<teatime>if it was recognized (controller, and then later drive) it would show up in dmesg
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22:56<tidux[m]>after re-probing xhci_pci I'm seeing the USB device on my other USB3 port now
22:57<tidux[m]>now I see the stick I'm booting from installed in dmesg
22:57<b17>yeah i read multiple usb can confuse things
22:58<tidux[m]>oh, so just try again with the other USB device removed?
22:58<tidux[m]>that's easy enough
22:59<teatime>tidux[m]: weird. I don't know where to point you w/ that one. Except if it was me I'd be trying some alternate boot or install method.
22:59<teatime>you can do netboot, or put the image on the internal HDD maybe, or maybe debootstrap (but I've never done that cross-arch; you'd have to find some good instructions)
23:00<tidux[m]>the system is incapable of netboot
23:00<teatime>sometimes bootloader can netboot, boot iso's, etc. (GRUB2 can)
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23:07<tidux[m]>well, I got the drive detected
23:07<tidux[m]>unplug/replug
23:07<tidux[m]>I realized if the installer was RAM-resident it wasn't seeing the disk
23:08<tidux[m]>thanks guys
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