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#debian IRC Logs for 2018-01-17

---Logopened Wed Jan 17 00:00:52 2018
00:01-!-schoppenhauer is "css" on #bitlbee
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00:07-!-annadane is "realname" on #debian-bots #tor-project #tor-offtopic #tor #privacytech #debian-www #debian-offtopic #debian-next #debian-mirrors #debian-mentors #debian-kde #debian-bugs #debian-apt #debian
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02:02<pjain>Hi! I am Pranav from India. I want to start with Debian Packages development. I have experince in different languages like Python, JAVA, PHP but haven't worked on a full fledged debian package. (Have created a basic Hello World prototype). Could someone guide me to right resources? Is there someone working on packages whom I can help and learn? Thanks
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02:03<grawity>working on distro packages isn't about programming, it's mostly about packaging already-made programs
02:06<jm_>pjain: this shall be a good starting point https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/
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02:07<jm_>also https://wiki.debian.org/Packaging
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02:48<pjain>grawity : I agree! Just wanted some starting push to work with them
02:48<pjain>jm_ : Thanks for links
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02:59<jm_>pjain: there's also #debian-mentors IIRC
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03:01<pjain>jm_ : Will join it right away :)
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05:31<teatime>then perhaps switch to a text terminal and check out top & iotop
05:31<teatime>while it is 'frozen'
05:32<teatime>and, logs. and, try a clean homedir (add another new user for testing?).
05:32<teatime>damn
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08:10<shaq>ok
08:10<shaq>thank you
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09:58<Guest2061>hey gays
09:58<Guest2061>Is there anyone here?
09:59<Guest2061>hello?
09:59<petn-randall>!ask
09:59<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
09:59<petn-randall>Guest2061: ^^^
10:00<petn-randall>Guest2061: I'm assuming good faith that that was a typo of yours and you meant to type "guys".
10:01<Guest2061>sorry...it's my first time to getin here
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10:02<petn-randall>Guest2061: No worries! Do you have a Debian support question?
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10:03<Guest2061>sorry,i can't see all your words as mine.
10:04<petn-randall>I don't know what that is supposed to mean.
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10:19<Gabriel_>Hi there!
10:19<Gabriel_>I need help with my computer
10:19<petn-randall>!ask
10:19<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
10:22<Gabriel_>My laptop doesn't seem to be able to mount the CD unit, I installed Debian 9.3 a couple days ago and everything worked just fine except for the CD unit, apparently the system fails to mount it
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10:22<petn-randall>Gabriel_: How are you trying to mount it?
10:23<petn-randall>Gabriel_: If your file manager doesn't show it, it might be because your user isn't in the cdrom group. You can check by running 'id' as your user.
10:23<Gabriel_>I get this output
10:23<Gabriel_>uid=1000(gabriel) gid=1000(gabriel) grupos=1000(gabriel),24(cdrom),25(floppy),27(sudo),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),108(netdev),114(bluetooth),115(lpadmin),119(scanner)
10:23<Gabriel_>I can use it apparently
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10:24<Gabriel_>I tried a couple mount commands using sr0 I think, I don't remember them well as I checked it last night and didn't get any solution
10:25<petn-randall>Gabriel_: Are you running a desktop environment? Then just clicking on the cdrom drive in the file manager should be enough.
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10:26<Gabriel__>Hi, sorry, I got disconnected
10:26<petn-randall>Gabriel_: Are you running a desktop environment? Then just clicking on the cdrom drive in the file manager should be enough.
10:26<Gabriel__>It doesn't appear on the file manager
10:27<petn-randall>Gabriel__: Which OS release are you running?
10:27<Gabriel__>Debian Stretch
10:27<Gabriel__>9.3.0 I think
10:27<Gabriel__>it's the latest one
10:29<petn-randall>Gabriel__: For me, it will only show an icon if there's a non-empty CD in the drive. Is that the case?
10:29<Gabriel__>Yes, it is
10:29<Gabriel__>I tried a CD and a DVD
10:29<Gabriel__>And it doesn't do anything
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10:31<Gabriel__>I used wodim --devices to check if the computer was recognizing the CD drive and I got this
10:31<Gabriel__>wodim: No such file or directory. Cannot open SCSI driver! For possible targets try 'wodim --devices' or 'wodim -scanbus'. For possible transport specifiers try 'wodim dev=help'. For IDE/ATAPI devices configuration, see the file README.ATAPI.setup from the wodim documentation.
10:32<Gabriel__>So I ran wodim dev=/dev/sr0 -checkdrive and got this output
10:32<Gabriel__>Device type : Removable CD-ROM Version : 5 Response Format: 2 Capabilities : Vendor_info : 'Slimtype' Identification : 'DVD A DS8A5S ' Revision : 'WX13' Device seems to be: Generic mmc2 DVD-R/DVD-RW. wodim: Cannot load media with this drive! wodim: Try to load media by hand. Using generic SCSI-3/mmc CD-R/CD-RW driver (mmc_cdr). Driver flags : MMC-3 SWABAUDIO BURNFREE FORCESPEED Supported modes: TAO PACKET SAO SAO/R96P SAO/
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10:34<petn-randall>Gabriel__: Please use https://paste.debian.net in the future. "Cannot load media with this drive!" sounds like the drive is telling the OS that there's no disc present.
10:35<Gabriel__>Okay, sorry, I'll use it in the future
10:35<petn-randall>Gabriel__: Does it work with other OSes?
10:36<petn-randall>Gabriel__: Or, can you boot from the CD drive?
10:36<Gabriel__>Well, I do have a CD inserted
10:36<Gabriel__>I haven't tried booting from the CD drive, and I have only used this computer with Debian so I have no idea
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10:38<Gabriel__>I'll try to boot from the CD
10:38<Gabriel__>Brb
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10:45<sue>I updated my sources.list to upgrade my wheezy to jessie. then apt-get update, reboot, then apt-get dist-upgrade , but during upgrade I got error messages.
10:46<sue>The error messages are https://paste.debian.net/1005690/
10:47<sue>Thanks for any advises!
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10:47<petn-randall>sue: 'apt-get update' just updates the package list, it doesn't update any software on your system.
10:48<sue>petn-randall, right! but the following apt-get dist-upgrade upgardes my system.
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10:48<sue>apt-get dist-upgrade upgrades my system.
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10:50<petn-randall>sue: have you checked the jessie release notes yet? Especially this part here: https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html
10:50<petn-randall>sue: I'm assuming you're running a kernel that's too old.
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10:50<sue>petn-randall, the kernel is very old.
10:51<blast007>had you fully upgraded to the latest wheezy packages first?
10:51<Iridos>Well, that bit of the error seems pretty clear? "Please upgrade your kernel before or while upgrading udev."
10:52<sue>Iridos, thanks. this part tells to upgrade kernal? Just would like to confirm. https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#newkernel
10:54<b17>sue: read the whole chapter on upgrading, it says two steps not just running dist-upgrade
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10:55<sue>I ran " dpkg -l "linux-image*" | grep ^ii | grep -i meta" and it looks like I have it installed. ii linux-image-amd64 3.2+46 amd64 Linux for 64-bit PCs (meta-package)
10:55<Iridos>sure… and the rest tells you it's refusing to upgrade the package "udev", because that would break things on the current kernel
10:56<Iridos>judd, kernels
10:56<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.15.0-rc8-686 (4.15~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 4.14.0-3-686-pae (4.14.13-1); buster: 4.14.0-2-686-pae (4.14.7-1); stretch-backports: 4.14.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.14.7-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-5-686 (4.9.65-3+deb9u2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (4.9.65-3+deb9u2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-5-686-pae (3.16.51-3+deb8u1); wheezy-backports:
10:56<judd>3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-5-686-pae (3.2.96-3)
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11:25<mnuhmnuh>wheezy LTS _ends_ 31 May 2018. software has to be kept up to date, or users will blame devs. upgrade!
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11:27<mnuhmnuh>or backup and reinstall fresh.
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11:28<TobiX>sue: Which kernel are you _running_? 'uname -a' should tell you
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12:12<sue>according to Debian upgrade doc online before I run apt-get dist-upgrade, I run apt-get install to upgrade my kernel. But I got different errors. https://paste.debian.net/1005701/
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12:12<sue>I think this link is invalid, https://edelivery.oracle.com/otn-pub/java/jdk/8u121-b13/e9e7ea248e2c4826b92b3f075a80e441/jdk-8u121-linux-x64.tar.gz, but where on my system that it provides the wrong link to download oracle 8?
12:13<petn-randall>sue: You'll have to ask whoever created the package oracle-java8-installer, it's not part of Debian.
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12:15<somiaj>sue: one suggestion is to remove thrid party packages such as this one, to preform the upgrade, then reinstall the approparite package after the upgrade.
12:15<somiaj>you may need to use java-package to generate a new package if that is where that package came from.
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12:16<somiaj>also 8u121 is a bit old, you'll want a more recent version with security patches.
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12:20<viztro>Hi everyone . In debian 8, how can I make vsftpd listen only on loopback interface ? already tried to put in listen mode but it won't start and listen_addres directive only works in listen mode.
12:21<petn-randall>viztro: What error do you get when you try to start it in listen mode?
12:25<viztro>petn-randall : status2/INVALIDARGUMENT
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12:25<viztro>petn-randall: that when i put listen=yes on vsftpd.conf
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12:27<petn-randall>viztro: Look at the logs, I'm sure there's more that this.
12:28<viztro>petn-randall: out of the box it comes as listen=no .. that means inetd behaviour but there is no systemd.socket nor xinetd installed
12:28<sue>somiaj, petn-randall, I just run apt-get install according to Debian upgrade guide
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12:29<retrospectacus>sue: oracle-java8-installer is not part of debian. Remove it, perform your upgrade, then look into installing java if you need it
12:30<retrospectacus>!install java
12:30<dpkg>For the Java web browser plugin, install the icedtea-plugin package. For other Java programs, install 'default-jre' for the runtime or 'default-jdk' for development. You can manually select one of openjdk-7-jre or openjdk-8-jre yourself. Oracle forbids Debian providing any security updates to them their Java packages so they are not in Debian. See also <java alternatives>
12:31<viztro>petn-randall: gonna see further but journalctl don't give any more clues.
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12:31<retrospectacus>sue ^^ The openjdk java packages available in debian are usually adequate. If you really need Oracle java, it is possible but not supported here.
12:31<sue>retrospectacus, sure
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12:39<jhutchins>viztro: Listen often takes a port or ip address.
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12:44<viztro>jhutchins: yeah i did put 127.0.0.1 in another distro it worked perfectly
12:45<viztro>then lsof -Pni :21 vsftpd listen in that address and not in the public interface
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12:48<viztro>well guess gonna apply iptables to prevent exposing the service
12:49<viztro>thanks for your time guys .
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12:54<jimpop>is there a way to list locally installed (dpkg -i ...) pkgs?
12:54<TobiX>jimpop: aptitude search ~o
12:55<jimpop>ty
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12:58<viztro>jimpop: dpkg -l ?
12:58<jimpop>viztro: that shows all installed pkgs
12:59<jimpop>i guess all installed pkgs were technically installed locally (unless it's a remote system)....
13:00<jimpop>i'm just looking to list pkgs installed from non sources (i.e. using dpkg -i ...)
13:01<b17>dpkg -i pkga are not listed as 'obsolete or locally created' in aptitude.
13:01<dpkg>package pkga are not listed as 'obsolete or locally created' in aptitude. is already installed
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13:01<jimpop>bad bot
13:02<b17>never heard of a way to tell after the fact
13:02<jimpop>me either. Just a curiousity of mine, no real reason
13:03<b17>might be a good wishlist though
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13:27<rv>Hi, I'm using Debian Testing on a Lenovo ThinkPad X220 Tablet: Which would be the proper way to hibernate the system from a terminal emulator?
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13:27<rv>Specifically: LXTerminal over Openbox
13:28<TobiX>"systemctl hibernate"?
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13:31<sue>When I run " apt-get dist-upgrade " I got errors of "Please upgrade your kernel before or while upgrading udev.", then I use "apt-get -f install" to upgrade kernel successfully. But when I run "again" I still get the same errors. http://paste.debian.net/1005719/
13:31<sue>What is the command to upgrade kernel? I used "apt-get -f install".
13:32<TobiX>sue: Well, you have to rebbot with the new kernel...
13:32<retrospectacus>you need to actually be running the new kernel. See `uname -a`
13:33<sue>I see. I didn't reboot after successfully running apt-get -f install. I will do it
13:35<sue>should I upgrade kernel before I run "apt-get upgrade" and "apt-get dist-upgrade"? or I upgrade kernel after "apt-get upgrade " and before "apt-get dist-upgrade"?
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13:38<TobiX>b17: ~o lists "obsolete or locally created" packages, which are packages installed via "dpkg -i", because they weren't installed with apt
13:39<TobiX>Technically: ~o lists packages which are installed, but not available in any list known to apt
13:39<b17>TobiX: I have many pkgs installed that way, and if there is a source they are not listed that way, try it and see
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13:40<b17>any pkg without a cource is obs or loc, no matter how it was installed
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13:40<TobiX>It will NOT list packages with the same name as something from the offical sources, but different version number
13:42<TobiX>And yes, you can't distinguish packages which were once available, but are not anymore and packages which were never available in any source
13:43<TobiX>But that's a piece of information that's not available in dpkg's or apt's database
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13:59<rv>Thanks a lot, TobiX! I thought that was the way, but couldn't find an explicit indication in Debian's wiki.
13:59<rv>Thanks again, best regards!
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14:30<sue>I just found that I need to use this command(apt-get install linux-image-amd64) to upgrade kernel instead of 'apt-get install'
14:31<sue>So I missed 'linux-image-amd64', that is why it didn't work.
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14:33<tda>linux-image depends on the latest kernel. if you don't install it kernel never gets updated. I did that on ubuntu when they were delivering broken kernels
14:33<annadane>for the kernel it's apt dist-upgrade
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14:48<mnuhmnuh>full- or dist-?
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14:55<annadane>full is aptitude IIRC
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15:02<piper>apt update; apt full-upgrade
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17:07<mnuhmnuh>dist-upgrade is aptitude, full-upgrade is apt.
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17:11<kraft3>I have an nginx webserver on my debian server and the files are in /var/www/html, the site loads them files via the domain name. However, if I use the server ip address, it loads an index.html from /usr/share/nginx/html. How can I prevent this?
17:12<Zimsky>add the ip address as a server name
17:13<Zimsky>sounds like you've still got the default configuration enabled too
17:13<Zimsky>you should probably remove that
17:14<kraft3>I just edited the default file in sites-available, is that not ok?
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17:16<kraft3>I edited the line to be as follows: "server_name ip_address domain", and did a nginx reload, but the ip address still loads the /usr/share/nginx location..
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17:18<Zimsky>might be hitting the default configuration before that configuration
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17:29<kraft3>It is strange, I did grep -r "share" in /etc/nginx, and there is still no mention of /usr/share/nginx/, so I am unsure why it is trying to load the default index from there, whereas the domain name points to the correct /var/www location
17:29<annadane>interesting, because i still use apt dist-upgrade, maybe that's a sid thing
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17:30<kraft3>maybe I need to symlink /usr/share/nginx/html to /var/www/html?
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17:34<sue>When will sprctre patch available?
17:34<sue>Thanks
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17:36<dboles>I'd guess you need to monitor the CVEs linked in the answer here https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/414786/how-to-mitigate-the-spectre-and-meltdown-vulnerabilities-on-linux-systems
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17:39<dboles>the other answer says 4.14.13 sorts it, and that's just landed in unstable; i'd assume the equivalent version is in jessie now or soon too
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17:44<sue>dboles, thanks
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17:46<dboles>i meant stretch, but hopefully jessie too!
17:47<sue>It looks like Debian still doesn't have patch for spectre.
17:47<sue>https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2017-5753
17:48<dboles>yeah i've not factchecked the answers there or anything :p I would trust the CVEs more
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18:32<djx>hi, i have an intel laptop (dell) and seemingly randomly it wont detect an external screen (happens with different cables and screens), can someone help me with some troubleshooting steps
18:33<djx>ive tried everything i can think of
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23:03<Yst>*sigh* I'm in a sticky situation. I can't use the net installer because it doesn't allow for network problems. My Wi-Fi card likes to disconnect periodically, at which point the network installer will simply keep trying to download, offering no option to go back and fix the network connection midway. I can't use the live installers, as I've got funky hardware and need to install a system with no
23:03<Yst>desktop. Having a desktop before tweaking some configuration files will cause the system to crash. Any ideas as to what I should do?
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23:05<Yst>What would be really great is an installer that has all the packages included, but doesn't install a desktop automatically.
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23:05<Yst>I can't seem to find such an installer on the website though, and I wouldn't be surprised if there isn't one.
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23:06<annadane>i'm sure you're aware that there's images for people without internet connections, and afaik they don't install desktops automatically
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23:08<Yst>annadane: No, I haven't seen those. I'll continue looking then.
23:08<annadane>let me see if i can find them
23:08<Yst>Unless you mean the three-DVD set.
23:09<kraft3>what about debian minimal?
23:09<Yst>I'm not sure how to get that working with a USB drive, as it's in three parts.
23:09<Yst>kraft3: That sounds good, and a name I can search for. Thanks!
23:10<kraft3>well, I used that for my server. I dont know how to install a desktop afterwards as I never needed that
23:10<Yst>kraft3: Nope, it looks like the minimal installer is the net installer.
23:10<Yst>I can't get the network installer to handle network outages properly.
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23:14<b17>Yst: just use cd or dvd 1 and choose not to install a desktop
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23:15<Yst>b17: Okay, so if not installing a desktop, disks two and three aren't needed? Thank you, I'll try that.
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23:16<b17>no, it installs a basic system sort of like a "standard" disk used to, you can install X from the same cd after first boot though
23:16<Yst>Okay, sweet. That sounds like what i need then.
23:17<Yst>Once the system is installed and the*I
23:17<Yst>*I
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23:17<b17>Yst: why your netwok disconnect though, that's not good
23:18<Yst>Once the system is installed and the files edited, Aptitude should be able to handle the rest even.
23:18<Yst>b17: Because I only have two Debian-compatible Wi-Fi cards, and the one that fits in the machine seems to be partly broken.
23:19<Yst>I don't even know where to get more Debian-compatible laptop Wi-Fi cards.
23:19<Yst>Every time I buy a laptop though, the card that comes with it doesn't work.
23:19<b17>Yst: some are better than others, most need firmware.
23:20<Yst>I mean, it works with whatever system the machine has pre-installed, but that system is loading non-free firmwares to do it.
23:20<Yst>b17: Yeah, exactly. And I only use the free firmware.
23:20<Yst>So I'm stuck with this broken Wi-Fi card until I figure out how to locate a working new one.
23:20<Yst>That's a project for another time though. Too much to do at the moment.
23:20<b17>I had good luck with older g devices the newr stuff I don't know
23:21<annadane>i think non free firmware is basically unavoidable unfortunately
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23:24<Yst>annadane: I've avoided it up to this point.
23:24<Yst>Hmm. G devices.
23:25*Yst takes a look at the non-working Wi-Fi card they removed from the machine
23:25<b17>Yst: yeah old stuff is well tested, lots of bugs reported and fixed
23:26<Yst>I don't see any marking that tell me what kind of device this is. Hmm. The recycling centre I buy from should know which of their devices are old G devices though.
23:27<Yst>I'll have to stop in again next week.
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23:53<b17>Yst: oh yeah, the trick is choose "setup network later" after dhcp step, I just disconnect netowrk during install. i always d o offline.
23:58<Yst>b17: Is that necessary for getting it to use the local packages? I can get the Wi-Fi up and running during installation, it just drops again, especially if things take a while.
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