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00:19<djx>if i wanted to find the bug tracker for xorg-intel, where is the best place
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00:19<djx>https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?component=DRM%2FIntel&product=DRI&resolution=--- is this the right one?
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00:28<awal1>djx, you mean xserver-xorg-video-intel?
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00:32<twb>What's the thing in /proc/cpuinfo for the AMD equivalent of Intel VT-x
00:32<twb>i.e. can run kvm kernel module
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00:34<awal1>djx, anyway, if you are looking for debian bugs, you have a few tools for check bugs, for example 'apt-listbugs' and 'querybts' from reportbug
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00:37<awal1>amd svm ?
00:39<awal1>not sure if it helps, twb, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86_virtualization#AMD_virtualization_(AMD-V)
00:40<djx>awal1: cool, apt-listbugs is exactly what im after i hope, and yes xserver-xorg-video-intel
00:40<djx>(although it is unclear what component is to blame)
00:40<twb>There used to be a dpkg bot info thing about it
00:40<twb>!kvm
00:40<dpkg>Kernel-based Virtual Machine (KVM) is a full <virtualization> solution for Linux hosts on x86 hardware with x86 guests. Packaged as qemu-kvm since Debian 6.0 "Squeeze". See http://wiki.debian.org/KVM for installation instructions, also ask me about <xve>. http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/FAQ http://www.linux-kvm.org/ #kvm on irc.freenode.net.
00:40<twb>!xve
00:40<dpkg>To confirm if your processor supports x86 virtualization extensions, run: egrep -q -e '^flags.*vmx' -e '^flags.*svm' /proc/cpuinfo && echo 'virtualization extensions available'. Some systems require Intel VT-x / AMD Virtualization (SVM) support to be enabled in BIOS. See also <virtualization>.
00:40<twb>Aha!
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00:41<awal1>djx, just do "apt-listbugs -s all list yourpkghere " if you want to list all severity
00:41<djx>excellent, i will check it out
00:41<ptr>So... I'm wondering
00:42<djx>awal1: that works perfectly, thank you
00:43<awal1>np
00:43<ptr>never mind actually, I can't read x)
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00:43<ptr>also hope everyone is having a pleasant evening.
00:44<djx>that is a huge number of bugs
00:44<djx>164...
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00:46<awal1>xorg-.... is a huge pkg
00:46<awal1>big pkg = many bugs
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00:47<djx>yeah, i am scoping it to intel though
00:47<djx>i would expect xorg-* to have heaps of bugs
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00:48<djx>i wish i had a stacktrace or something
00:48<djx>so i could know where to look
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01:00<jm_>stack trace for X server?
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02:10<djx>jm_: problem is that there is no exceptions or any errors in logs as to why the laptop doesnt detect an external screen
02:10<djx>i wish i had something to go on
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02:11<djx>i spent a few hours going thru bug trackers, about to give dri-devel a go on freenode to see if they can offer some ideas
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02:16<jm_>djx: but does it detect it at all? normally drivers log what they detec on each connector
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02:18<jm_>djx: one interesting option from man intel -> ReprobeOutputs
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02:18<djx>jm_: well, xrandr doesnt say anything useful, infact it doesnt even list the port
02:18<djx>hmmm ReprobeOuputs
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02:19<jm_>djx: I mean't what driver says in Xorg.log
02:20<djx>ah, so this is where my confusion begins, does Xorg (or really X) start populating after startx?
02:20<djx>i ask because previously the external monitor worked during boot, before startx
02:21<djx>i figured Xorg would only be useful if the display stopped working after startx, but im not confident on this position (lack of knowledge about how this stuff works)
02:22<djx>(XOrg.log that is, under .local/share/xorg/)
02:23<djx>i feel after writing that down i should have checked this first by deleting the XOrg.log, rebooting, and checking it before i run startx
02:23<djx>im going to do that now
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02:24<jm_>not sure on that one, I think for my brother second display does not show anything until he configures it in X
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02:27<djx>ok, i just checked, xorg.log is empty after reboot without x starting
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02:28<jm_>yeah xorg.log is written by X server
02:28<djx>so after startx, i see the log, but i cant see any errors
02:28<djx>although im not sure what exactly i should look for
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02:29<djx>hmm
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02:30<djx>i do see xf86EnableIOPorts: failed to set IOPL for I/O (Operation not permitted)
02:30<djx>and.. VGA arbiter: cannot open kernel arbiter, no multi-card support
02:31<djx>but im not sure they are relevant
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02:35<jm_>I checked Xorg.log and I see these lines: EDID for output DP-1 and EDID for output HDMI-1 - these are the two outputs where monitors are attached
02:35<jm_>for all outputs I see Output foo has no monitor section
02:36<djx>i only get 1 EDID, for what appears to be the laptop screen
02:37<djx>unless ... unless it doesnt show the EDID of built in monitors
02:38<djx>maybe i can try set drm.debug on kernel option
02:38<jm_>does get-edid get it?
02:40<djx>nope, it says 'looks like no busses have an EDID. Sorry'
02:40<djx>(ran as sudo)
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02:40<djx>it also says VBE call failed
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02:42<jm_>odd, works fine for me and on his system, but it only detects one monitor
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02:45<jm_>it only detects one monitor on his system with two attached (I only have one anyway)
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02:45<jm_>but yeah, maybe proceed with drm.debug and LKML
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02:49<paul>david?
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02:49<Guest2129>ah
02:49<david>AH
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03:13<djx>jm_: drm.debug was interesting, it looks like the error doesnt even make it to drm
03:14<djx>so something is happening either physically, or in the kernel?
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03:27<pdo_fn14>!package intel-microcode
03:27<pdo_fn14>!packages intel-microcode
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03:30<grove>,versions intel-microcode
03:30<judd>Package: intel-microcode on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 1.20150121.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 3.20161104.1~deb8u1~bpo7+1; jessie-backports/non-free: 3.20170511.1~bpo8+1; jessie/non-free: 3.20170707.1~deb8u1; stretch/non-free: 3.20170707.1~deb9u1; jessie-backports-sloppy/non-free: 3.20171117.1~bpo8+1; stretch-backports/non-free: 3.20171117.1~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 3.20180108.1; sid/non-free:
03:30<judd>3.20180108.1
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03:32<pdo_fn14>grove: Thanks. for long time I didn't touch judd anyway/
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03:32<pdo_fn14>But big hopes for intel-microcode will be landed in stable-backports.
03:34<jm_>djx: I am not really familiar with that part, have you checked it's not a dual gfx card setup?
03:34<djx>jm_: yeah, its just a laptop with intel onboard gpu
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03:35<djx>i just saw that microcode stuff, i remember i had this screen issue before and installing the microcode fixed it
03:36<djx>but maybe it was coincidental
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03:39<djx>hm
03:40<djx>it looks like somehow i got the latest microcode, i wonder if that is what broke things
03:40<jm_>maybe try with older version then
03:43<djx>yeah
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03:43<djx>i dont know how simple it is to downgrade microcode though
03:45<jm_>should be simple using dpkg
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03:58<djx>hm, so downgrading with dpkg, i grep microcode in /proc/cpuinfo, and the version doesnt change
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04:00<djx>ugh my knowledge on this is so limited
04:00<djx>but is it possible that the microcode is coming from UEFI/bios instead of linux?
04:01<jm_>you need to reboot sice it updates initramfs
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04:02<enyc>djx: yes, bios can upgrade microcode but they tend not to be very up-to-date versions
04:02<enyc>djx: i have rebuilt an older award-bios-image with upgraded microcode set but thats' not common =)
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04:02<djx>hmm
04:02<djx>jm_: i did reboot
04:02<djx>how do you sus out the microcode versioning?
04:03<djx>it says version 0xc2, but im finding it hard to map that to a debian package
04:06<djx>ah, revision number and date
04:07<jm_>djx: maybe check files in /usr/share/doc/intel-microcode
04:09<djx>hmm
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04:17<djx>no dice
04:18<djx>i even uninstalled intel-microcode, which removed the /lib/firmware/intel-microcode directory
04:18<djx>rebooted, still same microcode
04:18<djx>reinstalled using old dpkg, and rebooted, still same microcode
04:18<djx>i fear my bios is controlling it
04:18<djx>major hassle
04:19<jm_>even if you hard power down?
04:19<djx>ohhhh
04:19<djx>is that needed?
04:19<djx>like, instead of just sudo reboot
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04:29<jm_>I don't know, just speculating
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04:43<djx>no dice :(
04:43<djx>i think my bios must be updating it
04:47<djx>https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=886998 this is interesting
04:47<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/886998 in intel-microcode (open): «intel-microcode: regressions on Haswell, Broadwell (crashes/reboots) and Kaby Lake (sleep-to-ram)»; severity: grave; opened: 2018-01-12; last modified: 2018-01-13.
04:48<djx>not exactly my issue, but it looks like there are some bugs in the latest microcode
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04:49<djx>im on sid, so it explains why i got 20180108, ive really only got myself to blame :)
04:49<jm_>but aren't you saying you're not seeing that version being used?
04:50<djx>so i wanted to downgrade from 20180108, to 20170707, but that didnt work
04:51<djx>(i can install the actual 20170707 package, it just doesnt seem to update the actual running microcode)
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04:51<djx>possibly because: im not sure what a good working microcode version is for my processor
04:51<djx>so maybe 20170707 doesnt contain anything for my cpu or something
04:52<djx>im guessing
04:52<djx>wildly
04:52<enyc>djx: iucode-tool might tell you ??
04:52<djx>they say on that bug that 20171117 is the one to pick for downgrades
04:52<enyc>djx: more to the point, try (temporarially) removing intel-microcode entirely and rebooting, test ... ??
04:52<djx>enyc: i tried exactly that
04:53<djx>and grepping dmesg for microcode did not reveal that it changed the microcode
04:53<enyc>djx: i think, dmesg, gives some messages about intel-microcode etc
04:53<enyc>djx: did the initial ramdisk etc. get updated/sorted?
04:53<djx>initramfs def did its update thing when i uninstalled the package
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04:54<enyc>djx: ok and "microcode:" no longer appears?
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04:54<enyc>djx: or ot least, no "Microcode Update Driver" etc
04:54<djx>i see that line still
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04:55<djx>but i dont see anything saying downgrading/upgrading
04:55<djx>ill remove the package again and try
04:55<enyc>djx: hrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrm thinking about it that may be built into kernel
04:55<enyc>djx: infact, likely is... its' just the microcode package to allow/trigger the upgrading of microcode which is/isn't installed/updateh/etc
04:56<djx>hmm
04:56<djx>the whole microcode concept is shite
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05:01<enyc>djx: well there could be simpler cpus that are more verified // ...... ?
05:01<enyc>djx: they are complicated things, complex interactions possible
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05:02<djx>yeah, i know there is no better
05:02<djx>enyc: so i purged intel-microcode, rebooted, and in my dmesg i still see:
05:02<djx>[ 0.846281] microcode: sig=0x406e3, pf=0x80, revision=0xc2
05:02<djx>[ 0.846485] microcode: Microcode Update Driver: v2.2.
05:04<enyc>djx: yes, thats normal
05:05<enyc>djx: thats just telling you what microcode kernel observes and version of the update-driver as loaded
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05:06<enyc>djx: more to the point "cat /proc/cpuinfo" will presumabbly tell you cpu microcode version too
05:07<jm_>it shows what dmesg shows in revision=0xc2
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05:08<djx>yeah
05:09<djx>what i cant work out is that revision / version what came from 20180108
05:09<djx>or
05:09<djx>from a previous revision
05:10<djx>if that makes sense
05:10<enyc>so... log dmesg output to a file
05:10<enyc>log "cat /proc/cpuinfo" to a file
05:11<enyc>also, install the "iucode-tool" package now, see what that tells you, log to file too
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05:11<enyc>THEN install 20180108 microcode package... shutdown/power off.. power on... log all the same info again
05:11<enyc>then you can study differences carefully
05:11<djx>ok doing it now
05:12<enyc>"dpkg -L iucode-tool" will shown you what is inside iucode-tool, i'm sure it has a command-line-utility that tells you stuff / lets you request microcode loading and so on manually
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05:24<djx>enyc: so i havent checked out iucode-tool yet, that will be next, but upgrading to 20180108 appears to not change cpuinfo nor dmesg
05:24<Keralastic>Is anyone here well versed in solving wireless problems
05:25<Keralastic>I'm having a real hard time trying to figure out why wpa_supplicant keeps trying to use an old device that's not connected anymore
05:27<markhkim>what's is the canonical way of solving the "a stop job is running for session ..." shutdown lag?
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05:32<petn-randall>markhkim: If a job is failing to finish, that's usually the problem you should be looking into. Which what is the complete output you're seeing?
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05:33<petn-randall>Meaning, it's usually not a bug in systemd, it's usually really a job failing to shut down.
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05:34<enyc>djx: this might suggest the microcode update isn't working at all
05:34<enyc>djx: OR that without "iucode-tool" it doesn't work at all, possibly
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05:40<enyc>djx: apparently, "intel-microcode" DEPENDS upon "iucode-tool", which figures...
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05:51<Sveta>i've used dd to copy debian live kde amd64 iso to a usb, but when i boot it, it takes me to a bash session without xorg, and says the data is corrupt
05:51<Sveta>how do i check integrity of the data on the usb?
05:53<take2>Sveta: there should be some hashes provided with your iso from an official source.
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05:53<Sveta>actually i just found https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#verify, problem half solved :) now i have a way to test
05:53<Sveta>still looking for the hashes, but i think this documentation would say, hang on
05:53<jm_>devbaka_: is that even in debian?
05:54<Sveta>i downloaded it via torrent, instructions are not very clear
05:54<jm_>!check iso
05:54<dpkg>To verify you have a valid and official Debian CD/DVD image, see http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#verify . To test an ISO image was burned correctly, compare the output of «md5sum filename.iso; dd if=/dev/cdrom | head -c `stat --format=%s filename.iso` | md5sum». You should compare this md5sum to the checksum for the ISO image on the mirror. See also <check iso signature>.
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05:55<jm_>torrent file includes a checksum which should be verified at the end
05:55<Sveta>i don't know how torrent file can include a checksum
05:56<Sveta>it just downloads .iso without anything else
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05:56<devbaka_>jm_, not really, but i have no other idea and the irc server runs on debian ;D
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05:56<Sveta>then i visit https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/ and it does not list any hash files named the same way as my file either
05:56<Sveta>ooh sorry, they're in a separate dir
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06:03<jm_>devbaka_: we have used ircd-ratbox previously, which has IRC services, but it has been removed from debian -- anyway, documentation for unrealircd https://www.unrealircd.org/docs/Services points at http://www.anope.org/ - enough examples there to get you going, then there's ircs://irc.unrealircd.org:6697/unreal-support
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06:17<devbaka_>ah thank you @ jm_ i will try the anope.org examples or will look into the unrealircd irc:) I didnt see this
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07:05<buyukadam>hi all. I've a display issua with my nvidia card. sometimes it starts losing display and drawing random colors to the screen. screenshot: http://www.bayimg.com/eec82bb9b7100872d5d962b457375732398fa33e.jpg
07:07<towo^work>you know, there are many nvidia chips arround?
07:07<towo^work>so which exact nvidia chip with which driver
07:08<buyukadam>only thing I know about my graphic card is nvidia 940m. if you need any other info I'm ready to paste terminal results
07:08<towo^work>940 sounds like optimus
07:08<towo^work>lspci | egrep -i "vga|3d|display"
07:09<buyukadam>on my previous installation, I've installed some non free nvidia drivers and it totally killed my display. I was working on Steam to start then I lost all my display. I don't care about Steam anymore I just want a stable display
07:09<buyukadam>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation HD Graphics 5500 (rev 09)                                                                                                                                                                                      
07:09<buyukadam>            
07:09<buyukadam>04:00.0 3D controller: NVIDIA Corporation GM108M [GeForce 940M] (rev a2)  
07:10<towo^work>so you do not have a issue with nvidia, you have the issue with intel
07:10<towo^work>i would install the kernel and firmware-misc-nonfree from backports
07:10<buyukadam>how can we tell this?
07:11<towo^work>can we tell what?
07:11<buyukadam>that I've nothing wrong about nvidia but intel?
07:11<towo^work>optimus and linux is crap³
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07:11<towo^work>and since you have optimus, all content is renderd on the intel IGP
07:12<buyukadam>I see. so can you explain your suggestion more?
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07:14<jm_>!bpo kernel
07:14<dpkg>Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the <stretch-backports> repository. After modifying your sources.list, run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t stretch-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
07:17<buyukadam>thank you for your help
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07:33<Jonny_>Hi, how do i stop firefox from opening on startup please?
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07:37<petn-randall>Jonny_: Which DE are you running? Some have the option to "save the user session", in that case they'll restart any programs open when logging out.
07:38<Jonny_>petn-randall: I am using Xfce
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07:40<Jonny_>petn-randall: I saw a startup session app thing but I see no option for firefox
07:41<petn-randall>Jonny_: Then settings -> Session and Startup is where to look.
07:41<Jonny_>application autostart does not have firefox listed oddly though
07:42<Jonny_>firefox itself can autoboot outside DE settings?
07:43<Jonny_>petn-randall:
07:43<grove>That's not likely
07:43<petn-randall>Jonny_: I don't think so.
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07:43<Jonny_>ok thanks guys. Hm I will have to look harder then.
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07:45*grove considers adding a command to start firefox (and place the window on the right desktop) to .i3/config - don't remember when I've not wanted a firefox running
07:46<Jonny_>I don't know what .i3/config is? lol
07:47<petn-randall>Jonny_: It's a different DE, that comment is not directly related to your issue.
07:47<Jonny_>oh ok thanks
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08:51<mingyang>There is a safe start can not install debian
08:51<mingyang>There is a safe start can not install debian
08:51<mingyang>There is a safe start can not install debian
08:51<mingyang>There is a safe start can not install debian
08:51<mingyang>There is a safe start can not install debian
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09:50<EmleyMoor>I have no output from this box to my display. What should I try?
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09:57<EmleyMoor>Anyone know a good motherboard/CPU assembler in London? (not necessarily a supplier but that may help!)
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11:52<a910236>hi, i got a bootlooping server with the latest kernel on stretch, i updated my system, shut down all virtual machines, did my changes to hardware which was adding a SAS cable to my controller + 2 hard drives and made a RAID array of the new disks in the controller and booted up Debian and it just reboots at the point where it normally switches to higher resolution and shows the "Welcome to Debian GNU/Linux 9" text and bunch of services sta
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11:53<a910236>i tried the previous version and that boots up fine, and the latest kernel boots up in recovery mode too
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11:54<a910236>i first thought it was an issue with my hw changes but as previous kernel works fine i believe it's something else, but where should i go from this point when there is no logs saved when i try to boot up with the latest kernel?
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11:57<a910236>at least i think it is something with the latest kernel as i was on 4.9.0-3 before shutting down, the latest 4.9.0-5 just bootloops if not in recovery mode and previous 4.9.0-4 works fine, any ideas what i could do to see what goes wrong since there is no logs saved with the latest kernel and all i can see is the display going blank when it should change the resolution but then it just resets
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12:00<petn-randall>a910236: You can remove the 'quiet' setting from grub, it will show more details then.
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12:01<a910236>i am using it without quiet, there is just nothing abnormal to me happening at boot, it goes fine up to the point until display blanks at the point it should welcome you and systemd starts starting services, but instead of this happening it just reboots
12:01<a910236>weird
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12:04<petn-randall>a910236: It might be related to the spectre firmware updates. Which CPU types do you have?
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12:05<a910236>the server has 2x Xeon X5570, quite dated hardware, and the server is a IBM x3550 M2
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12:07<petn-randall>a910236: Those might be affected, I'd check that.
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12:08<a910236>it's weird that it does boot up fine in recovery mode though with the latest kernel so i guess it should be able to boot the kernel?
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12:13<petn-randall>I don't know if the recovery mode applies microcode or not.
12:14<a910236>should i have intel-microcode installed?
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12:16<petn-randall>a910236: Do you have it installed?
12:16<a910236>nope, it was not installed, but i installed and im giving it a try if it happens to make any change
12:16<a910236>takes a bit time to reboot though, this server is really slow at initializing its uefi
12:17<petn-randall>I know those kind of servers :)
12:19<a910236>and nah it didnt help :( last thing i see is something about iptables and copyright to netfilter team like always, and then it reboots
12:22<petn-randall>,kernels
12:22<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.15.0-rc8-686 (4.15~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 4.14.0-3-686-pae (4.14.13-1); buster: 4.14.0-2-686-pae (4.14.7-1); stretch-backports: 4.14.0-0.bpo.3-686-pae (4.14.13-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-5-686 (4.9.65-3+deb9u2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (4.9.65-3+deb9u2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-5-686-pae (3.16.51-3+deb8u1); wheezy-backports:
12:22<judd>3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-5-686-pae (3.2.96-3)
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12:23<a910236>gave "nomodeset" a try too just in case if it was related to video driver as it usually loads it in that point when it crashes, no help from that either :(
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12:24<petn-randall>a910236: I currently don't have access to the changelog (it's not here yet: https://packages.debian.org/stretch/linux-image-4.9.0-5-amd64), I'd study that carefully and file a bug report if needed.
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12:26<a910236>also i just tried recovery mode again, that reboots too just like normal mode, maybe i just had luck one time that it rarely does boot
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12:28<a910236>4.9.0-5 seems to have introduced kernel page table isolation fix, i try to disable that next with a boot option to see if its because of that
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12:44<a910236>weird, i reinstalled the kernel and now it actually got to point it said welcome to debian and started services, until it just rebooted during that
12:45<a910236>really weird issue as there is no logs and no errors, it just reboots all of sudden but the previous version works fine and i dont see other changes than KPTI and PCID and disabling them didnt change anything so im at loss what could be wrong
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14:15<lwp>I have a stretch machine that is almost completely non-responsive right now, acting like it has some very high load average.
14:16<lwp>It is probalby in gnome screen-lock right now, after much moving the mouse, it finally showed me an arrow point on a black screen.
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14:17<lwp>I changed to VT3 to try to look at the system from a plain shell, but I can't login because it times out after login doesn't finish within 60 seconds....
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14:17<lwp>Also tried to ssh into it from another machine, but that also times out before it logs me in.
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14:18<lwp>Any suggestions how I could get access to see what it is doing, or do I just have to reboot it blind ? The disk activity light is on non-stop
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14:50<Sandy>Is spectre patch available for Jessie? Thanks
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14:50<jimpop>Sandy: yes
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14:51<truetuber>hi
14:52<Sandy>because Debian use number for the fix, such as https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2017-5753. It doesn't mention where spectre patches are located.
14:53<truetuber>no
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14:53<truetuber>helo
14:54<Sandy>can you sned me the link with spectre patches?
14:54<retrospectacus>Sandy: just install the latest kernel
14:55<somiaj>Sandy: debian has not released new microcode, in addition, red hat says the only way to protect against variant 2 is a firmware upgrade on the hardware.
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14:55<jimpop>Sandy: actually Meltdown has been patched for Jessie, but not Spectre
14:55<somiaj>Sandy: the latest kernel contains the kpi features and protects as best as the kernel can, microcode can help a little, but debian hasn't released it yet, and firmware upgrades maybe the best bet.
14:55<jimpop>good overview: https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/linux
14:55<Sandy>jimpop, I installed Meltdown patch already.
14:56<jimpop>iirc, spectre patches are a few months off as not as easy to fix as meltdown
14:56<somiaj>and they will be a combination of microcode and new kernel features to talk to the new microcode features I hear.
14:57<Sandy>If Spectre fix is firmware upgrade on the hardware, does that mean we need to upgrade intel CPU?
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14:57<somiaj>Sandy: no, the firmware will contain the newer microcode for the cpu, you won't need to upgrade the cpu.
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14:57<somiaj>in addition you can download the newer microcode from intel, but debian has not released it (I think they are still testing things to ensure it depoloys nicely)
14:58<somiaj>firmware upgrades have also been released, recalled and released again, so it might be best to wait.
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15:04<Sandy>somiaj, do you mean we need to download new firmware that has newer microcode from intel?
15:07<Sandy>in this link https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/linux, there is no place mentioning spectre.
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15:10<dboles>https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/414786/how-to-mitigate-the-spectre-and-meltdown-vulnerabilities-on-linux-systems
15:10<dboles>links to at least 3 debian cves about meltdown and spectre
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15:11<somiaj>Sandy: Firmware will come from your motherboards/computer manufacture. microcode can come from intel if you don't want to wait for debian to provide it.
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15:15<dboles>huh, i didn't realise new firmware was required, assumed a changed kernel option and/or ucode would suffice
15:15<dboles>no change of a hardware fw upgrade for me, so... w00t no performance decrease i guess? :S
15:16<lwp>OK -- I got back control of my stretch box. Unplugging the network cable, and waiting quite a while
15:16<lwp>seems to have settled things down
15:17<lwp>I think it was a combination of daily cron jobs, especially RAID verifying, fighting with a 6GB firefox tab running the famous "Web Content"
15:18<lwp>So now I logged in at VT3, just to have a shell idling there in case I need it in the future.
15:18<dboles>a 6 gb web tab... the horror
15:19<ach>No.
15:19<retrospectacus>no!
15:20<truetuber>hi
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15:20<truetuber>i am sat here wating to download an windows iso
15:20<ach>:ppp
15:20<retrospectacus>truetuber: do you have a Debian support question?
15:21<truetuber>no
15:21<ach>!ask
15:21<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
15:21<retrospectacus>!chat
15:21<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
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15:22<truetuber>fuck this
15:22<Sandy>dboles, the link is very good. But it says Kernel versions 4.14.13 or 4.9.76. I use command "uname -r" or lsb_release -r to find kernel version, but none of shows something like 4...
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15:22<Sandy>uname -r shows 3.16.0-5-amd64
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15:22<Sandy>what is the command to find kernel version?
15:22<dboles>iirc one of the cves talked about a backport to jessie, which is what you're on
15:23<dboles>3.16 is the kernel version
15:24<Sandy>but the link you sent says Using the Spectre & Meltdown Checker after switching to the 4.9.0-5 kernel version
15:24<Sandy>I just upgraded kernel version this week, so why it is not the new version of 4...
15:24<Sandy>mine is Jessie
15:24<retrospectacus>that is the patched version on mainline kernel. Patches are backported onto debian kernels.
15:25<retrospectacus>the CVE(s) will tell you what debian kernels are patched
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15:26<Sandy>CVE-2017-5753 [bounds check bypass] aka 'Spectre Variant 1', CVE-2017-5715 [branch target injection] aka 'Spectre Variant 2', CVE-2017-5754 [rogue data cache load] aka 'Meltdown' aka 'Variant 3'
15:27<Sandy>so it looks like Debian has patches for spectre 1 and spectre 2 already? they are CVE-2017-5753 and CVE-2017-5715?
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15:30<towo`>no
15:30<Sandy>But a few of you just told me Debian doesn't have patches for spectre yet because debian doesn't have newer microcode . But Debian has patches for spectre 1 and spectre 2 already? they are CVE-2017-5753 and CVE-2017-5715?
15:30<Sandy>I am a little bit confused
15:30<towo`>spectre patches need a kernel build with a patched gcc, which is not in debian
15:32<dboles>CVEs just mean Debian is aware; you need to check the status for each version. Last I checked, all were still "vulnerable"
15:32<blast007>Sandy: you'll notice that those two CVE's you mentioned are still listed as 'vulnerable' here https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/linux
15:33<Sandy>yes, they are vulnerable, that means they are not fixed yet. Thanks for clarification.
15:33<retrospectacus>Sandy: Don't make the mistake of thinking that everyone (or anyone) who tells you something here knows what they're talking about :)
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15:35<lwp>towo`: the backport kernels are getting newer versions (I see 4.14.13 for stretch) but with the GCC7 changes reverted out.
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15:36<towo`>lwp, retpoline patches was introduced in 4.14.14
15:37<towo`>but retpoline need a patched gcc
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15:38<Sandy>should I update firmware or wait for Debian's microcode for spectre fix? Thanks
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15:38<lwp>towo~: ahh, I am confused too... I see the intel-microcode package is also being conservative, no section yet for my particular model CPU
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15:41<towo`>lwp, same here, no new microcode for Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4670K
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18:53<parrot>what is the command for update and upgrade
18:53<parrot>this is my first time using
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18:54<parrot>firefox keeps crashing i cant get on a website
18:54<parrot>please help
18:57<blast007>parrot: are you running Parrot Linux?
18:57<parrot>yes
18:57<blast007>!parrot
18:57<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
18:58<parrot>ok thank you
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19:59<Diziet>We are checking out a new laptop and the trackpad has really weird behaviour (debian stretch livecd)
19:59<Diziet>You move your finger along the trackpad and then when you stop moving the mouse pointer drifts along a bit extra.
19:59<Diziet>As if the mouse pointer had momentum.
19:59<Diziet>NB the finger remains in contact withg the trackpad.
20:00<Diziet>Is this likely to be something xorg or the input driver or something is doing, or is it going to be hardware/firmware ?
20:00<Diziet>I'm inclined to guess the former.
20:01<duncan>Is this... the royal we? :)
20:01<Diziet>(My own laptop has a completely different xorg trackpad driver installed.)
20:01<duncan>This is normal behavior
20:01<Diziet>My partner and I.
20:01<Diziet>srsly ?
20:01<Diziet>It's bizarre. Why would anyone want that ?
20:01<duncan>The trackpad is controlled by a microcontroller with its own firmware
20:01<Diziet>OK whatever.
20:01<duncan>It callibrates itself
20:01<Diziet>Can it be turned off ?
20:01<duncan>No. It is correct behavior.
20:01<sney>it may be an option with synaptics
20:02<sney>but touchpads vary wildly so ymmv
20:02<Diziet>sney: That was my thought but I haven't messed with the xinput settings yet
20:02<duncan>If you move your finger fairly constantly, it thinks it is stationary.
20:02<sney>the one on my thinkpad, for what it's worth, does not do this
20:02<duncan>ThinkPads *do* do this
20:02<sney>not this t430 that I am using right now at this moment
20:02<Diziet>I haven't seen it anywhere else. My old Thinkpad R50p didn't.
20:02<duncan>Not often, but it happens
20:02<Diziet>This XPS-13 I'm typing on doesn't.
20:02<duncan>But this does sound like it's doing it too much
20:03<duncan>It should not do it often
20:03<Diziet>But all of those have completely different xorg/libinput stuff.
20:03<Diziet>It does it all the time. The result is that you always click on the wrong thing.
20:03<Diziet>It's quite maddening.
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20:03<duncan>Does it stop?
20:03<Diziet>Ys.
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20:03<duncan>How long afterward?
20:03<Diziet>It always overshoots by roughly the same amount, if you stop moving from the same speed.
20:04<duncan>It could be that it's callibrated strangely then as suggested
20:04<Diziet>It's clearly deliberate in the sense that some bizarre person programmed it to do this.
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20:04<duncan>Maybe acceleration is set too highly?
20:04<Diziet>duncan: a few hundred ms.
20:04<Diziet>Acceleration should only apply while the finger is moving. When the finger stops dead, so should the mouse pointer.
20:05<sney>Diziet: anyway, the 'synclient' utility included with xserver-xorg-input-synaptics seems to contain values for "coasting" so maybe that's what you're looking for
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20:05<sney>this might be exposed in control panels too
20:05<Diziet>sney: Could be although I'd expect that to be if yo took your finger off.
20:05<Diziet>We tried the control panel.
20:05<Diziet>xserver-xorg-input-synaptics is not installed.
20:06<Diziet>The livecd comes with the other driver, err, forgot its name. (My partner is at the new machine right now.)
20:06<b17>yeah coasting was new to me too, I like it
20:06<sney>libinput
20:06<Diziet>Yes, that
20:06<sney>afaik libinput replaced synaptics but not under all desktop environments
20:06<Diziet>b17: Does it behave like I describe ? The thing continues to move, for a moment, even if your finger is on the trackpad and stationary ?
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20:07<Diziet>sney: I took the MATE livecd
20:07<b17>y that's coasting
20:07<b17>seems like the faster you move your finger the longer it coasts
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20:07<Diziet>On my own laptop I have a patched version of xserver-xorg-input-mtrack
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20:08<Diziet>b17: Surely it should only coast if your finger lifts off ?
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20:08<Diziet>Well, anyway, you seem to be reassuring me that this is something some software is doing, not an inherent feature. And that I can turn it off.
20:08<b17>i use synaptics i ditched libinput long time ago
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20:08<muwahhid>hi
20:08<Diziet>Also bogglesomeley you seem to like it. Very EPID
20:09<muwahhid>I need little help if someone can
20:09<b17>evdev for mouse is better too, libinput just sucks basically
20:09<muwahhid>am stuck with error in armitage
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20:10<Diziet>b17: Well, thanks for the info.
20:10<b17>hard to tweak a live cd, check out persistence
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20:19<mnuhmnuh>what's armitage?
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20:32<b17>Diziet: also, libinput has difficulty telling the right size of some touchpads, might try fixing that /lib/udev/hwdb.d/60-evdev.hwdb
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20:33<Diziet>b17: Don't think that's what's going on here, but thanks.
20:39<Diziet>b17: persistence> Thanks for the tip
20:39<Diziet>May try that tomorrow, but sleep now
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20:40<fennfloof>hello everyone
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20:41<Sveta>hi fennfloof
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20:41<fennfloof>so,i have a few questions regarding software repositories
20:42<Sveta>what are these questions?
20:43<fennfloof>first off,during installation,i told the installer not to use a network mirror for the install,and to odly rely on the DVD image
20:44<fennfloof>is there a way to reenable the online repositories so that i can download new software?
20:44<fennfloof>(im on Debian 9.3)
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20:48<fennfloof>okay,i just googled for it,and it seems pretty straihtforward
20:48<mnuhmnuh>fennfloof: edit /etc/apt/sources.list
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20:49<Sveta>fennfloof: if you don't want to edit the sources.list by hand, open your update manager and tick the relevant sources in its settings
20:49<Diziet>iirc the sources list has a comment saying what things to uncomment
20:50<fennfloof>im working on editing sources.list thanks
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21:03<fennfloof>and i am doing an apt-get update to see all of the awesome new software i have available,thanks
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21:06<fennfloof>everything is all of the sudden really slow,and it isnt Debian doing it
21:07<fennfloof>curse you terrible ISP
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21:13<engine40>try net-select, let is choose the best server
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21:19<fennfloof>thank you
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21:36<mnuhmnuh>what's net-select?
21:37<sney>!netselect
21:37<dpkg>netselect takes a list of servers and uses multiple pings and traceroutes to figure out which one has the best connectivity relative to you. See also <netselect-apt>.
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21:38<john>!netselect
21:38<dpkg>netselect takes a list of servers and uses multiple pings and traceroutes to figure out which one has the best connectivity relative to you. See also <netselect-apt>.
21:38<john>netselect
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21:38<john>netselect-apt
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21:38<parrot_>hello
21:39<parrot_>firefox and chromium browser quit everytime i open them
21:39<parrot_>i can see google
21:39<parrot_>then it closes
21:39<parrot_>can someone help me please
21:39<sney>!parrotr
21:39<sney>!parrot
21:40<sney>!parrot
21:40<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
21:40<parrot_>how do i get there
21:40<sney>irc://irc.frozenbox.org/parrot this should be a link for you
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21:40<sney>otherwise check the manual for your irc client
21:41<parrot_>ok thank you
21:41<parrot_>i just went there it said connection failed
21:42<sney>yes it looks like it's down. unfortunately there is nothing we can do for you. you are not using debian and this channel is only for debian support
21:44<parrot_>ok i will save the link, if you dont mind me asking what is the difference betweeen debian and parrot
21:45<b17>parrot_: they might have some kind of vpn or tor setup you have to do to get online, it's a specialized os from what I have read.
21:46<b17>if you don;t know you probably don;t need it
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21:46<sney>parrot uses some debian components like the base system and package manager but is designed to be a security/pentesting distro for net security professionals. we don't know all of what they have changed. if you are not a network security professional, try using debian instead
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21:49<sney>parrot_: do not private message people. you can download debian at www.debian.org. there is a link in the top right of the page.
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21:50<parrot_>ok the problem is i cannot get on an internet site
21:52<b17>parrot_: we know we can see evreything
21:52<sney>presumably you downloaded parrot somehow
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21:55<parrot_>what happens when you private message people sney?
21:55<sney>it is rude to do it without asking. and in support channels like this we prefer to have all support be public
21:56<parrot_>someone pmd me
21:57<parrot_>could they hack into my computer if i pmd them back?
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21:58<parrot_>sorry, im new i really like this computer stuff, just trying to figure it out
21:59<sney>it's really hard to hack through irc nowadays
21:59<b17>parrot_: why don;t you just open a terminal and start simple, try 'man intro' that might work
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22:03<parrot_>does anyone else talk in here ?
22:04<engine40>tell me what you want?
22:04<sney>only people who need help with debian. sometimes lots sometimes nobody
22:04<parrot_>i want my internet browser to work
22:05<parrot_>is debian ubuntu?
22:05<sney>you are not using debian so this is not a channel for you. if you can't get to the parrot channel, try irc://chat.freenode.net/linux
22:05<parrot_>ubuntu mate?
22:05<sney>ubuntu is not debian either
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22:06<parrot_>ok thanks
22:07<parrot_>do you happen to know what time it is?
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22:08<parrot_>the clcok on my computer is all messed up
22:08<parrot_>it says its 3:08
22:08<parrot_>its gotta be close to 9:00 pm
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22:23<bogieman>Hi wonder if someone can help. Using stretch, I have to add noapic and acpi=off to grub to get rid of an error message. Adding manually at boot this works fine. However if I edit etc default grub and add the entries then run update-grub I get "/usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig: 9: /etc/default/grub: noapic: not found" can anyone assist please?
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22:58<tomg>bogieman: I think you have to put noapic in GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX
22:58<tomg>are you doing that?
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23:01<bogieman>tomg, yes I am, as I previously mentioned if I add it manually at boot then everything is fine. However adding it in to the grub menu and running update-grub throws the error
23:01<bogieman>I think it's running a sintax check but doesn't like noapic, however I've used it before on previous versions of debian and had no problems running update-grub
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