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#debian IRC Logs for 2018-01-20

---Logopened Sat Jan 20 00:00:56 2018
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00:01-!-cascardo is "Thadeu Lima de Souza Cascardo" on #debian #debian-mobile
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01:16<budaboss>hello
01:17<annadane>hi budaboss
01:17<budaboss>anyone there
01:17<annadane>yep
01:17<abgr>hello
01:17<budaboss>annadane
01:17<budaboss>can i get some help
01:17<annadane>!ask
01:17<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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01:18<budaboss>how could i install some application that ends with .exe
01:19<ach>!wine
01:19<dpkg>somebody said wine was ine (Wine Is Not an Emulator) is an application intended to allow execution of Microsoft Windows programs on Unix-like operating systems. Application compatibility database: http://appdb.winehq.org/ .https://wiki.debian.org/Wine http://wiki.winehq.org/HowTo http://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ #winehq on irc.freenode.net. See <mmap_min_addr> regarding use of Win16 binaries. See also <newer wine>.
01:19<annadane>maybe wine; what's the application?
01:20<budaboss>its a CEH applicaton "hide my IP address"
01:21<annadane>hmm. good question, i'm not sure how one would install something like that; something which affects internet activity
01:21<annadane>i'll let others answer
01:21<budaboss>and "email tracking tool"
01:21<annadane>though i wonder if there isn't already a debian application which does that
01:22<budaboss>i've tried checking but can't see it
01:23<ach>!vm
01:23<dpkg>methinks vm is either virtual machine (ask me about <virtualization>) or VM (View Mail), a mail user agent for <Emacs> bundled with XEmacs. http://www.nongnu.org/viewmail/
01:23<ach>haha
01:24<budaboss>do you mean vim?
01:24<teatime>budaboss: if you want to run windows stuff, run windows. like ach suggests, a windows vm. wine lets you run certain windows programs, but not something like this. whatever it is.
01:25<budaboss>ok
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01:54<mingyang>secure boot not install debian
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02:23<mingyang>everybody
02:24<mingyang>how to in secure boot of machine install debina
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02:53<dfceaef[m]>although I know the answer and chinese irc channel, I choose not to say that
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02:57<dfceaef[m]>!admin
02:57<dpkg>[admin] like a omnipresent god, or http://home.datacomm.ch/prutishauser/humor/hack/know.ur.sysadmin.html, or and the guy you should always blame for problems with your computer
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04:39<weirdo>Hello! I finally managed it to change my root password and typed it twice wrongly. Is the method of mounting rootdirectory with a livestick and edit the shadow file still possible in debian 8?
04:41<circ-user-i46NK>So I've a problem with the debian installer. I put it on the USB and using UEFI to get to grub but neither the graphical installer nor the regular one work (screen goes black and system hangs with no error). My guess is that the nvidia gpu (1070) is somehow causing problems but 'nomodeset' did not change the outcome. this is debian 9.3
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04:48<weirdo>circ-user-i46NK have you tried ruling out by changing the hardware?
04:51<circ-user-i46NK>I'll try to use the ipgu
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04:54<circ-user-i46NK>No change. I'll try disabling UEFI altogether
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04:58<circ-user-i46NK>Well it looks like secureboot is permanently enabled on my particular motherboard
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05:03<weirdo>i wasn't joking in my initial post (in case it reads somehow funnily) btw
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06:09<rockstorm>I can't connect to #debian-mentors, is anyone else having this problem?
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06:15<deltam>rockstorm, /join #debian-mentors tests works for me
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06:23<rockstorm>I get "Cannot join channel (Need to be identified and verified to join this channel, '/msg NickServ help' to learn how to register and verify.)"
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06:29<rockstorm>deltam, Ok so I registered and verified my nickname
06:30<rockstorm>thanks
06:30<rockstorm>now I can connect to debian-mentors
06:30<deltam>rockstorm, cool
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08:07<galex-713>what’s the difference between this channel and the one on freenode?
08:08<themill>Different spammers.
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08:12<galex-713>Since recently, my keyboard layout is doing strange stuff, normally shift+space gives unbreakable/nobreak space, alt-gr+space gives underscore, now everything gives space and modifiers don’t work anymore on the key space
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08:17<vorkeps>What would be a most minimal spreadsheet application for Debian?
08:18<themill>sc
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08:31<galex-713>Ok, it was because of KDE
08:31<galex-713>I tried to reproduce, didn’t succeed
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08:32<galex-713>Hey, since some time, I can’t do anymore Ctrl+Alt+< in Emacs, through Xev I see it’s grabbed by something else higher: how to see what grap it? I’d like to have it working again
08:32<vorkeps>themill: I wouldn't mind a minimal GUI. Though ncurses is not too bad, I disagree to the Vim element. I like Vim, just not here.
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08:33<themill>(and this is why I really dislike that sort of question)
08:34<vorkeps>themill: Oh, how many times I was precisely in your position. Sorry for that. :)
08:36<themill>some seem to like gnumeric
08:37<vorkeps>themill: Thank you.
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12:08<Ecco>Hi! Latest *stable* kernel panics on boot on my machine. Previous one worked perfectly. What should I do?
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12:15<ach>is it savety issue?
12:17<Ecco>what?
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12:18<ach>are you harmed or experimenting?
12:18<ach>(:
12:18<Ecco>4.9.0-4-amd64 works just fine, 4.9.0-5-amd64 just hangs on boot
12:19<Ecco>well, that's a bit annoying because it happened on a production server :-/
12:20<ach>i am on 3.2-0-4-amd64
12:20<Ecco>huh, that's ancient
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12:22<ach>you can access through the debian dvd to get a repair shell
12:22<ach>also was the stand to my time
12:22<annadane>Ecco, not sure why it's hanging, but what you can try is reverting to the previous kernel and pasting your /var/log/messages so maybe we can see what's wrong
12:22<annadane>paste.debian.net
12:22<Ecco>annadane: ok, I just did
12:23<Ecco>Well, /var/log/messages doesn't seem to contain anything from booting the faulty kernel
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12:23<annadane>at least i believe /var/log/messages is correct, i'm not sure where else might be a good place to look
12:23<annadane>perhaps journalctl -b
12:23<ach><.<
12:24<ach>anyhow don't know
12:25<Ecco>I wonder if there's some kernel parameter I could pass to get some more verbose info on boot
12:25<Ecco>On the latest kernel that crashes, the last log message I have on screen is something about iptables
12:26<ach>i think journalctl and dmesg did great job
12:29<Ecco>I wonder if nouveau might not be the culprit
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12:42<guilherme>I have my /home in a separate hard drive. I am willing to replace such hdd (just to be safe, it is old). Is it possible to clone the previous hdd in a new one? Does both hdds need to be exact the same? Thnaks
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12:43<Ecco>guilherme: I would advise against cloning
12:44<Ecco>just create a tar archive of the previous drive, format a new one and restor the tar archive
12:44<ach>in unix is the dd comand for it but i never used it and 2) no
12:44<ach>but in your case you can use nautilus to copy the file in home2 and whatever then /home
12:44<Ganneff>uh god no
12:44<Ecco>ach: sorry man, but you're just noise
12:45<ach>rofl
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12:45<guilherme>Ok, so, summarizing, the best way would be to simply copy using cp or rsync, right?
12:45<Ganneff>guilherme: cloning doesnt do much good. partition it like you like it new (and/or put into lvm), then mkfs and mount in a temporary location. next use rsync to get your stuff over, then mount it where it belongs
12:46<Ecco>guilherme: yeah, rsync would be a good bet indeed
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12:46<Ganneff>(if you already used lvm, its way easier. add new to lvm, pvmove, done)
12:46<guilherme>ok, I think I understand why it is not a good idea
12:47<guilherme>unfortunately I am not using lvm
12:47<Ganneff>good point to switch to it
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12:48<guilherme>but I have an ssd with the / which dos not use lvm either. Would it be a problem? I have to study a bit a bout it
12:49<Ganneff>no
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12:51<guilherme>does lvm have any performance cost?
12:51<Ganneff>none that you can measure
12:51<Ganneff>or feel
12:51<guilherme>ok, I will do that :) thanks a lot
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13:13<Guest2307>Hello, I have USB mass storage that boots a Debian Stretch LiveCD. There is also a hidden partition encrypted with cryptsetup in the same USB device. This partition is not in the Master Boot Record, but I know the offset of sectors where it starts.
13:13<Guest2307>Cryptsetup can't do luksOpen over an offset of a device. With the help of some guys here in the channel I have created a new device that starts from the offset (dmsetup create rawDevice --table "0 10786435 linear /dev/sdb 4882813").
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13:14<Guest2307>The thing is that this works fine if I'm not booting from the USB. If I boot from this USB, when i run that command I get this: device-mapper: reload ioctl on rawDevice failed: Device or resource busy Command failed
13:14<Ganneff>sure, its open then, you cant do that low level action
13:15<Guest2307>:o
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13:15<Ganneff>you either live with a real partition table for it, then you can boot from it
13:15<Ganneff>or you dont boot from it.
13:16<Ganneff>or you need to make your boot get rid of the disk usage entirely so you can do this action later
13:16<Ganneff>like, copying stuff into a ramdisk and pivot_root around
13:18<Guest2307>Thanks Ganneff, I understand :)
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14:21<wlfcss>anyone?
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14:21<annadane>wlfcss, hi
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14:25<bremner>!next
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14:51<AleksejShilin>Hi! I've found a bug which leads to a relatively high probability of the package manager hang while installing at least 2 major DEs to a minimal system: KDE Plasma and GNOME (others were not tested). This bug seems to affect only stable. So, is there a chance that such bug is fixed in stable if I report it?
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14:54<nodiscc>hi all. pros/cons of running ntpd versus having a simple 'ntpdate' cronjob?
14:55<nodiscc>i'd like to have one less service running on my box but wonder if it can cause problems
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14:57<d43mon_AFK>nodiscc: you won't feel a difference performance wise (ntp is quite fast on boot). using a cronjob will work
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15:00<d43mon_AFK>nodiscc: have you tried using sudo systemd-analyze blame? ntp.service took only 37mileseconds to start on my system
15:00<d43mon_AFK>"sudo systemd-analyze blame"
15:02<nodiscc>d43mon_AFK: 343ms on my laptop, 1.201s desktop 10.397s on server
15:03<nodiscc>(low-end boxes) but it's not really about boot time i'd like to decrease the amount of installed software mostly on the server
15:03<coruja>what about using systemd-timesyncd?
15:03<nodiscc>coruja: checking the manpage now
15:04<nodiscc>yeah it's there so why not use it. my needs are really simple
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15:12<nodiscc>thanks. i'll look into all solutions
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15:30<francisco_marinho>hi, debian is live
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15:50<jhutchins>The advantage of ntpd is that it keeps track of how your system clock drifts, and makes adjustments so that it stays closer to the correct time.
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16:00<mnuhmnuh>and, ntp is pull, and pretty safely bulletproofed now.
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16:16<pmo>hi anybody in there ?
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16:38<mnuhmnuh>!hi
16:38<dpkg>hello, mnuhmnuh
16:39<mnuhmnuh>if you used irssi, you'd see hundreds (?) of participating users listed when you /join.
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16:40<mnuhmnuh>_4ls thru sidmo_
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16:49<g>okay
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16:51<mnuhmnuh>_4ls thru {4144} actually. huh.
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18:44<sigimac>hey guys... I installed the drivers for my Bluetooth doesn't seem to be working. But my Wifi does. It's an integrated wifi/bluetooth.
18:45<sigimac>the only errors I seem to get out of 'dmesg' is: 'Bluetooth: hci0 command 0x1001 tx timeout
18:45<sigimac>and
18:45<ach>?
18:46<sigimac>'Bluetooth: hci0 BCM: Reading local version info failed (-110)
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18:47<ach>if the error comes in dmesg i would tip on the wrong firmware
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18:48<sigimac>it was the exact firmware for this card
18:48<sigimac>the wifi part of it is working
18:48<sigimac>and it shows its it loaded
18:48<sigimac>HCI device and connection manager initialized
18:49<ach>it's the same hardware with two chips?
18:49<sigimac>yeah
18:50<sigimac>same driver used in linux mint but it works in mint for both bluetooth/wifi
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18:50<sigimac>so I have the brcm/ and was wondering if I could place it in /lib/firmware
18:50<sigimac>maybe chmod the dir/
18:50<ach>sorry but i think that error known but several enternity's away
18:51<sigimac>heh
18:51<ach>maybe look in modprobe syslogd
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19:10<sig>ach,
19:10<sig>you still here?
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19:13<ach>i don't think i can read the error out the log
19:13<sig>heh
19:13<sig>fixed it
19:13<ach><.<
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19:14<sig>I had broadcom-sta-dkms installed
19:15<sig>added: broadcom-sta-common <--- actually listed my BCM43142 specifically and added that and it worked.
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19:17<kittyhappy1>hi
19:17<sig>yo
19:17<ach>i thought had simliar error with gnome 2 specific systems
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19:18<sig>ach, I'm using cinnamon
19:18<ach>happy bluetoothing!
19:18<sig>running it on this Dell laptop
19:18<sig>ach. heh
19:19<sig>I don't really use it but I always get every piece of hardware to work on my machines.
19:19<ach><.<
19:19<sig>kinda anal like that. although I will use a bluetooth headset every once in a while with music
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22:47<delorede>Hi, i really really need some help....
22:48<Sveta>with what?
22:48<delorede>Basically my computer powered off because the battery died and i tried to turn it on and it says " no group users found
22:48<delorede>I can't log in to the system, it seems like i lost everything that i had on the hard drive
22:49<delorede>I tried to run the troubleshooting mode
22:49<delorede>but same thing
22:49<Sveta>if you photograph the screen and upload to www.imgur.com, some of the other lines may help to narrow it down
22:50<delorede>I dont have the camera with me to take photos
22:50<delorede>but what it says is
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22:51<delorede>"reading all physical volumes. This may take a while"
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22:51<delorede>No volume gropups found
22:51<delorede>and it keeps doing it with same messages
22:52<delorede>for about 3 minutes
22:52<delorede>after that it goes to the recovery terminal
22:53<delorede>where i cant even access anything on the hard drive
22:53<delorede>it goes to (initramfs)
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22:54<delorede>i tried to use puppy and see if i can access it with no luck
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22:54<delorede>im completly devastated because i had a lot of important things on the hard drive
22:55<delorede>and i have no idea how could this happend
22:57<b17>delorede: probably no backup od this important stuff right?
22:57<delorede>b17
22:57<delorede>yes
22:57<delorede>im completely speachless
22:58<delorede>like bascially im almost at this point where i dont know what to do
22:58<delorede>this is the first time something like this happened
22:58<b17>delorede: yeah same here, I hear this a lot. hd recovery is possible, you don't wan to damage it any further though.
22:59<delorede>b17 any idea where should i start
22:59<delorede>btw the hard drive was encrypted if that helps for you to know
23:00<b17>probably make a clone and work on that would be smart, but do some research.
23:00<delorede>hmm
23:01<delorede>but why would something like this happen in the first place
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23:03<b17>? ran out of power during a critical tasK?
23:04<b17>why would you let your batt die on you like that?
23:04<delorede>yeah it runned out of power while i was making apt-get update
23:05<delorede>i just did not look at the battery level
23:05<delorede>but i would never expect that it can damage something
23:05<teatime>it may just be a coincidence.
23:06<delorede>i dont know
23:06<teatime>it will not corrupt your HDD to an unbootable state; if your HDD died, it was a h/w issue; but something like that can cause a background hardware issue to surface
23:06<teatime>however
23:06<teatime>you say you hard-rebooted halfway through apt-get update?
23:06<delorede>yes
23:06<teatime>that makes it sound like it just borked up configuration and stuff, and the good news is your data should all still be there, just fine
23:06<delorede>oh wow
23:07<teatime>the fact that it's encrypted makes it harder / less user-friendly to boot e.g. a livecd and go looking for it
23:07<delorede>i tried to use the puppy
23:07<teatime>just don't write to the disk, you know?
23:07<delorede>but i dont have a way to enter the pw to decrypt it
23:07<teatime>right. well that can be done, though. just gotta learn/know how to do it :)
23:08<delorede>teatime i dont even know how to solve this since i never experienced this problem before
23:08<teatime>you haven't given enough details to receive detailed help yet, just an overview.
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23:09<delorede>what information do i need to provide
23:09<delorede>i can start linux puppy
23:09<delorede>and explain what i see, will that help ?
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23:11<teatime>probably not. I think someone asked you for a picture of the screen/problem.
23:12<delorede>yes, i just don't have the camera on me, and don't have a smartphone
23:13<delorede>unless there is a way that i can make a screenshot and save it to usb
23:13<delorede>any way to do it through the terminal ?
23:13<delorede>if its in recovery mode
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23:16<teatime>nah, nafaik
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23:18<delorede>teatime so basically best way is if i make some photos and post it and go from there ?
23:19<teatime>probably.
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23:19<delorede>ok i will come back when i have all the photos of the problems
23:20<delorede>its just very heart breaking that this happened
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23:22<teatime>I think your data is still sitting there
23:22<teatime>the system around it just doesn't know how to boot
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23:24<elof_>Do you extract tar by using commands or using archive manager?
23:24<delorede>teatime yeah but its strange that even in recovery mode its not working
23:24<teatime>elof_: either.
23:26<elof_>the handbook has not been updated.
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23:26<teatime>?
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23:27<elof_>"The Debian Administrator's Handbook"
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23:29<teatime>delorede: I assume there'd be some livecd etc. you could use that might do this more automatically. but this is the manual process, more or less, I'm thinking you'll need to do: https://evilshit.wordpress.com/2012/10/29/how-to-mount-luks-encrypted-partitions-manually/
23:29<teatime>delorede: just to give you an idea, an overview, stuff to google. just as you work on it, be careful not to really break it, as you try to fix it. you only need read-only commands. understand what commands do before you run them.
23:30<delorede>teatime thank you, let me take a look at it
23:30<annadane>i should probably go through the jessie -> stretch differences and contribute to the damn handbook, it's driving me crazy
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23:51<delorede>teatime
23:51<delorede>we are getting somewhere this is really helpfull !
23:52<delorede>i runned this line "blkid | grep crypto" and i got simmilar output what on the website
23:53<delorede>but for some reason when i run the second command it tells me, cryptsetup: command not found
23:53<delorede>is it because im running it on puppy ?
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23:53<teatime>maybe. that should be something you can install, if you can install stuff on a puppy livecd
23:54<delorede>oh ok
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