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#debian IRC Logs for 2018-01-25

---Logopened Thu Jan 25 00:00:03 2018
00:00-!-schoppenhauer3 [~schoppenh@ppp-188-174-124-199.dynamic.mnet-online.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
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00:04-!-dboehmer__ is "Daniel B\xF6hmer,,," on #debian
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00:08-!-Darcidride_ is "Quentin" on #ceph #debian #debian-arm #debian-boot #debian-bugs #debian-gnome #debian-mentors #debian-next #debian-systemd #gcc #observium #osm #ovirt #qemu #tor #tor-project #virt
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00:09-!-Darcidride__ is "Quentin" on #ceph #debian #debian-arm #debian-boot #debian-bugs #debian-gnome #debian-mentors #debian-next #debian-systemd #gcc #observium #osm #ovirt #qemu #tor #tor-project #virt
00:10-!-ach [~spooky@ipb218f290.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined #debian
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00:15-!-marvil07 is "Marco Villegas" on #debian @#debian-peru
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00:25-!-nander is "nander,,," on #debian #love
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00:41-!-jm_ is "." on #debian #debian-ops
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00:42-!-setty_ is "Satish Setty" on #debian #debian-next #packaging #debian-in
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00:53-!-wCPO is "Kristian Klausen" on #debian #debian-next #debian-lxqt #debian-mentors #debian-live
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01:11-!-aidalgol is "@aidalgol:qhx.space" on #debian #love
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01:52-!-Delta-One is "Patrick Franz" on #debian-next #debian-kde #debian
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01:53-!-jmccroha1 is "Jonathan McCrohan" on #munin #multiarch #debian-boot #debian-qa #debian-gnome #debian-multimedia #debian-mozilla #debian-systemd #debian-ftp #debian-dpkg #debian-bugs #debian-mentors #debian
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01:59-!-tomg is "*Unknown*" on @#initfreedom #moocows @#debian-support #debian-next #debian
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02:00-!-Delta-One is "Patrick Franz" on #debian-next #debian-kde #debian
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02:02-!-devil is ",,," on #debconf @#censusfail #debian-edu #siduction-manual #siduction-de #siduction-art #debian-systemd #debian-next #subgraph #siduction #debian-derivatives #debian @#d-devel #siduction-dev #frickelplatz #debian-kde #debian-boot #siduction-admin @#!bobbit #smxi @#855406@bugs.debian.org #spi #reproducible-builds #debian-reproducible #kernelnewbies #debian-apt
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02:06-!-debalance is "Philipp Huebner" on #debian-devel-changes #debian #debian-kde #debian-qa
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02:40-!-Haudegen is "AP,,," on #debian-next #debian-kde #debian #debian.or.at #debian-desktop #debian-til #security
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03:31-!-jmux is "Jan-Marek Glogowski" on #debian
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03:31-!-gtristan is "Tristan Van Berkom" on #kernelnewbies #qemu #debian #ninja-build #debian-next #reproducible-builds
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03:52-!-Texou is "Jean-Philippe MENGUAL" on #debian-welcome #debian-france #debian-mobile #debian-mozilla #debian-offtopic #debian-desktop #debian-multimedia #bitlbee #debian-community #debian-quebec #debian-gnome #debian-live #debian-voip #debian-qa #debian-next #debian #debian-es #debian-it #debian-devel-es #debian-devel-it #debian-mate #debian-l10n-fr #nvda #brltty #debian-a11y
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03:53-!-Delta-One is "Patrick Franz" on #debian-next #debian-kde #debian
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04:15-!-srtu is "Armin M\xFCller" on #debian
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04:41-!-MGadAllah_ is "MGadAllah" on #linode
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04:42-!-Tuor is "Tuor" on #debian-next #debian
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04:44-!-gtristan is "Tristan Van Berkom" on #kernelnewbies #qemu #debian #ninja-build #debian-next #reproducible-builds
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04:44-!-sunilmohan is "Sunil Mohan Adapa" on #freedombox-ci #debian-diaspora #debian #pere #debian-webapps #debian-js #debian-reproducible #debian-in #monkeysphere #debian-boot #debian-arm #freedombox #debian-blends
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06:04<Tuor_>Hi, I'm using the english (international, AltGr Akzenttasten) keyboard layout. I can activate for example this letters with my AltGr key: áäüåéóë. This is all fine. This is my third layer of my keyboard. But what is the "fifth layer"? I can bind a key to activate the fifth keyboard layer, but nothing special happens. So what is this fifth layer?
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06:10<teatime>I'm not 100% sure but I think it's empty unless you custom define otherwise.
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06:11<teatime>see /usr/share/X11/xkb/ ... leave breadcrumbs.
06:12<jm_>maybe see /usr/share/X11/xkb/compat/level5 - it mentions numlock
06:12<jm_>heck, other dirs also have a file called level5 so look there for some info I guess
06:13<teatime>it's all about selecting level5, I didn't see any symbols in level5 in any of those
06:13<teatime>but they could come from elsewhere
06:13<jm_>yeah looks like it
06:13<jm_>a comment in level3 enlightened me why it's called level 3 :)
06:14<teatime>hehe
06:14<Tuor_>ok thx people. :)
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06:16<Tuor_>Other question, I could remap all the keys i need (right-alt -> level3, Capslock -> level 3, right-ctrl -> compose, lshift+rshift -> capslock). The only missing: I would like to have ctrl on my numpad "enter". I could not find any setting int the keyboard settings (KDE-Settings).
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06:18<teatime>maybe xmodmap? not sure if that will work globally anymore.
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06:19<Tuor_>I'll have a look. :)
06:20<teatime>the KDE settings seems to map directly to the options xkb defines that you can use in setxkbmap -option
06:20<teatime>lots of handy things, but not comprehensive
06:20<jm_>ctrl on numpad enter? ouch, but whatever suits you
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06:23<Arpegius>I can set a folder to have everytime the same owner and group even if a group member place a file in it?
06:23<Arpegius>For example, I have the folder /heya , foo:group, 775
06:23<teatime>Arpegius: if you set setgid bit on the directory, new files will inheriet the group of the directory.
06:24<Arpegius>teatime: How can I do that?
06:24<teatime>Arpegius: chmod g+s
06:24<Tuor_>jm_, it's an additional enter. I don't use the numpad a lot, and i never use the enter key. I need a key not far from my mouse hand. ;) ctrl+f1, ctrl+f2...
06:24<jm_>Arpegius: more info in info coreutils "File permissions" "Directory Setuid and Setgid"
06:24<jm_>Tuor_: yeah but I imagined using screen or emacs keybindings in a shell with such setup :)
06:24<Arpegius>jm_, can you link me that manual?
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06:25*Tuor_ uses vim, screen, normal bash
06:26<jm_>Arpegius: this is the command to get it «info coreutils "File permissions" "Directory Setuid and Setgid"» i.e. same as http://info2html.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/info2html-demo/info2html?(coreutils.info.gz)Directory%2520Setuid%2520and%2520Setgid
06:26<Arpegius>thx jm_
06:26<jm_>no worries
06:26<Tuor_>but it looks, it should be doable with xmodmap.
06:27<jm_>I used this before I configured it via xorg conf: xmodmap -e 'keycode 117 = Multi_key' so yeah, what you want should be easily doable
06:28<teatime>jm_: does your compose key work in gtk apps and firefox-esr on debian 9?
06:29<jm_>teatime: no, GTK is "special" in that regard
06:29<teatime>XMODIFIERS=@im=xim GTK_IM_MODULE=xim QT_IM_MODULE=xim used to be sufficient to unbreak it, but no longer.
06:29<jm_>ahh that no longer works?
06:30<teatime>nafaict
06:30<jm_>you are right, I have it set, will remove that var
06:30<teatime>it might still help some stuff, so I keep it
06:30<Tuor_>thx!
06:31<grawity>both gtk's built-in immodule and ibus have supported the compose key for like forever, and added custom ~/.XCompose support somewhere around gtk 3.22 as well
06:32<teatime>grawity: how do I make it work then
06:32<grawity>first check whether you're in Xorg (pure X11) or Wayland
06:32<teatime>Xorg.
06:33<grawity>second try enabling the key via xkb, `setxkbmap -option compose:caps`
06:34<teatime>I have a compose key already.
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06:34<grawity>emphasis on "via xkb"
06:34<jm_>looks correct, geeqie and pidgin work, so maybe firefox is "special" then
06:34<grawity>rather than xmodmap
06:34<teatime>I set my compose key using the exact command you posted.
06:34<grawity>also check what im-module you have set in `gsettings get org.gnome.desktop.interface gtk-im-module`
06:34<grawity>if it's empty, try setting it to "gtk-im-context-simple"
06:35<jm_>I have it empty and gtk apps appear to work, even without GTK_IM_MODULE var now
06:35<grawity>tbh
06:35<grawity>teatime: have you tried unsetting those environment variables
06:36<grawity>it worked for jm_
06:36<teatime>grawity: I will
06:36<grawity>GTK_IM_MODULE=xim used to be common to gain custom .XCompose support, but not needed for the "standard" compose mappings at all
06:37<teatime>I use custom mappings quite a bit.
06:37<grawity>are you having problems with custom mappings or with standard ones?
06:37<teatime>currently both, but I will try w/o the env vars
06:37<grawity>the XMODIFIERS one seems a bit redundant, as well as QT_IM_MODULE... as far as I remember, they both default to xim anyway.
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06:38<teatime>Possibly when I thought it was broken after deb 9 fresh install, I was only testing with firefox
06:40<grawity>one caveat is that whoever implemented .XCompose support in gtk3 and ibus didn't properly finish it, so they 1) don't honor $XCOMPOSEFILE, 2) only accept 2-key combinations, not 3+key, 3) only output one character, not multiple... so for example you cannot bind Compose+s+h+r+u+g to "¯\_(ツ)_/¯" anymore
06:40<teatime>argh
06:40<teatime>well that ruins it
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06:41<teatime>ugh that also means not even giving up and using ibus will fix it for me
06:41<grawity>ibus may or may not work better, the implementations are independent
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06:42<grawity>though i don't like how ibus is currently screwing around with Ctrl+Shift+U / Ctrl+Shift+E
06:43<grawity>my ~100 ~/.XCompose mappings still work fine, and fortunately I was not into spamming meme ASCII faces anyway
06:43<teatime>that's not the only use :/
06:46<grawity>interestingly, stacking Compose does work (e.g. <Multi_key> <Multi_key> <KP_1> <KP_1> : "╚")
06:47<grawity>you can also look into a) other input methods like uim or fcitx
06:47<grawity>I think uim handles XCompose a bit better
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06:48<grawity>b) a menu script based around `dmenu` with text snippets in it
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06:51<teatime>grawity: thanks for the info/help.
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07:02<Arpegius>jm_, can this also change the user id of files to the user id of the folder?
07:04<jm_>Arpegius: set suid bit instead of sgid bit for that
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07:05<jm_>(you can also set both)
07:05<teatime>does that actually work
07:05<teatime>I didn't know you could do that with setuid
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07:06<teatime>and I just tested it...
07:06<teatime>(and it doesn't seem to)
07:08<teatime>Arpegius: usually setgid is enough, because the people all already have write perms on the directory
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07:14<jm_>yeah it appears not to work, I thought "On a few systems, a directory's set-user-ID bit" includes linux, but obviously not :)
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07:15<pi_>irc://freenode/tahoe-lafs
07:16<jm_>but yeah, sgid bit should be enough with correct permissions
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07:17<grawity>according to https://www.in-ulm.de/~mascheck/various/permissions/ "a few systems" is HP-UX and FreeBSD
07:17<grawity>...is "FreeBSD X" meant to be a macOS joke?
07:17<grawity>but
07:17<grawity>on Linux systems, you can use file ACLs to grant access automatically
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07:18<grawity>it doesn't change the owner (who can chmod / whose quota is consumed), but OTOH doesn't limit you to a single group
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07:29<Arpegius>jm_, I've set that, still nothing
07:29<jm_>Arpegius: see above, sorry for misleading you
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08:35<josegatica>Hi guys. Just want to tell you that today, after a meeting with my boss, we've decided to migrate our computers (60 computers) to Debian, generally to free software <3
08:36<petn-randall>josegatica: yay \o/
08:36<josegatica>I'm so happy!
08:36<petn-randall>josegatica: What did you have deployed before?
08:40<josegatica>Well, I use Debian and Parrot Security (sorry for the off-topic distro but is Debian bassed) and a teacher was my testing guy, using Debian during 2017
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08:41<petn-randall>josegatica: Well, Parrot is nice, just not so useful as your main system. Most people have it running in a VM.
08:41<josegatica>so he and I shown them the fact that migration is possible
08:42<josegatica>I use Parrot as my main system, I work on ParrotSec. But, you know, old love for Debian.... hahahahah
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08:42<annadane>debian is certainly lovely, congratulations on the migration
08:43<josegatica>annadane: thanks!
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09:28<Arpegius>How can I set a folder so the permission will be inherited by the files created in it by the users trough acl?
09:29<duncan>man chown
09:29<duncan>er
09:29<duncan>man chmod
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09:31<petn-randall>Arpegius: extended ACLs can accomplish this. Have a look at 'man setfacl'
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09:31<Arpegius>duncan, I mean that if I create a folder with u:g sys:mygroup and permissions 755 for example, all files in it created by others users will have sys:mygroup
09:31<Arpegius>petn-randall, thx
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09:31<Arpegius>petn-randall, this cover even my case?
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09:32<petn-randall>Arpegius: It should be possible with the "default" ACL entries.
09:32<petn-randall>so yes
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09:46<Arpegius>petn-randall, Maybe you haven't understand what I want
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09:47<Arpegius>I want that every time another user create a file or a folder, a specific set of permissions is set
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09:48<Arpegius>user foo creates directory, permissions: foo:bar 775, user don creates directory/file.txt, file.txt has automatically permissions foo:bar 664
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09:49<petn-randall>Arpegius: Yes, that works with default extended ACLs.
09:50<petn-randall>Arpegius: Those are different things than from the basic permissions, though.
09:50<petn-randall>s/from//
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09:50<Arpegius>petn-randall, I haven't understand much the manual then
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09:51<Arpegius>There are guides who explain more well how to use setfacl?
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09:54<petn-randall>!acl
09:54<dpkg>from memory, acl is Access Control List. http://acl.bestbits.at/ http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/agbs/live/acl_eng.html http://www.suse.de/~agruen/acl/linux-acls/online/
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09:55<petn-randall>Arpegius: Maybe some of the above links cover it, I don't have a guide I can recommend. You can use 'getfactl -t -e' to see the ACLs you set, btw.
09:55<Arpegius>Thx
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10:06<Blacker47>Arpegius, you can't create files with different owner as yourself (if you are not root) and create ownergroup without be in such a group. you should use existing things and not try to reinvent new system that will fail.
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10:06<Blacker47>maybe you describe your primary fallcase?
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10:09<Arpegius>Blacker47, if setfacl allows that I guess I'm not reinventing anything
10:10<Blacker47>would be new to me if that allows that. i don't know how it should working. and ACLs are not very useable IMHO because the lack of support from some utils (such as cp).
10:11<Blacker47>the whole idea behind file rights is not to allow different user to fake the ownership. if it would be possible than we would be on FAT16 again.
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10:12<petn-randall>Arpegius: extended ACLs don't allow users to set the primary user:group to anything else than what they have. However, it allows to set an extra set of permissions that grants other users/groups rights to those files and directories.
10:12<petn-randall>Which is what I assume you want.
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10:14<Arpegius>petn-randall, Yes, I want that
10:16<Blacker47>Yes, I want that <-- you stated something different above... this is why i asked for primary problem description
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10:20<Blacker47>for some difficult edge cases there are some solutions to the file rights with or without ACLs. one stratege could also be to have a script (as root?) runs periodical (or on inotify) and chown the new files to some defaults
10:20<Blacker47>*stragegy
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10:25<Blacker47>if not posted yet: https://wiki.debian.org/Permissions#The_defaults_for_new_files_and_directories
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10:30<Blacker47>!hacker
10:30<dpkg>[hacker] someone that hacks. See <hacking>, or an interesting essay can be found at http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html . Someone who plays with stuff, and figures things out just to satisfy his own idle curiosity.
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13:24<pi_>how can i download a sd-formater for Debian?
13:25<kuhn>pi_: You should be able to do that with gparted
13:26<pi_>thanks
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13:32<petn-randall>Arpegius: What have you tried exactly?
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13:35<Arpegius>petn-randall, setfacl -d -m group:mygroup:rw ./
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13:59<jhutchins_wk>kuhn: Does gparted do formatting or just partitioning?
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14:21<kuhn>jhutchins: gparted gui has option to format as far I know but may use mkfs command alternatively
14:22<kuhn>or etcher application but it was a bit buggy when I used it last time
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14:31<jhutchins_wk>I've been using fdisk since DOS 2.0, so it's a pretty ingrained habit, don't know the other tools well.
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14:36<take2>+1 for gparted
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14:58<grawity>I like gparted for resizing partitions, but its "flags" UI is possibly the worst idea ever
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15:02<TobiX>grawity: This one? https://imgur.com/mmrhT8B - That's kinda shit, I agree.
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15:03<annadane>anyone have any idea where the configuration file for pk-update-icon's how often it checks the mirrors for updates, is? checked in both /etc/PackageKit/PackageKit.conf and /etc/PackageKit/Vendor.conf and there are no predefined options, unless one has to add it oneself, but i figured it would be set to some value
15:04<annadane>the man page for it says the default time is one day and you can change that using options and arguments but i think that's just for the currently running instance
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15:05<Megaf>Folks, I think I found a bug that affects all updated Debians from Jessie. Basically, when you run out of memory, still technically having 1 GB free if you don't consider cache, the system ill begin to trash IO, all comes to a total halt and IO goes crazy, swap is not touched and OOM killed is never called, understandebly since there's sill 1 GB free though, occupied by cache.it happens with Kernel 3.x and 4.x on Debian 8 and 9.Only way out of this is
15:05<Megaf> hard reset. I tried to wait it out overnight already, no luck, O trashing the whole time. maybe a race condition between caching and dropping cache?
15:05<retrospectacus>annadane: /etc/default/ ?
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15:07<annadane>apparently not
15:07<annadane>it may be that you can't configure it except for an already running instance
15:07<annadane>which is fine
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15:09<retrospectacus>Megaf: have you found a bug report about that on debian or linux bug trackers?
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15:14<annadane>honestly if i had to guess it's a subset of how often the mirrors get checked to begin with
15:14<annadane>so that even setting the value to check every hour or whatever won't matter if the mirrors aren't checked via some other process every hour
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15:17<retrospectacus>update notifiers drive me nuts. I run apt-get update in a terminal once every few months/years, if necessary to install something
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15:17<annadane>well, i mean, security updates
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15:18<annadane>pk-update-icon in particular is meant for those desktops that don't automatically have functionality like that so i wish it were a little more reliable, i should submit some patches
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15:23<retrospectacus>I never install any updates, especially on a desktop. Waste of time
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16:31<user_>posso avere un aiuto?
16:32<retrospectacus>!it
16:32<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
16:32<user_>posso avere un aiuto?
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16:33<user_> mio ubuntu non parte piu sto usando rescatux ma non riesco a proseguire
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16:35<user_>ok pardon!
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17:13<iulian>Hello, will someone help me to fix this https://pastebin.com/MxhjiUxE
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17:14<iulian>it was ok with Jessie, but doesn't work with Stretch
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17:45<chomwitt>i found that entry in my /var/www/html lrwxrwxrwx 1 chomwitt www-data 34 Ιαν 24 14:53 .#foobla.html -> chomwitt@enousvps.22632:1515625501
17:45<chomwitt>what does it mean?
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17:51<TobiX>chomwitt: Probably a temporary file from some uploading tool...
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17:53<chomwitt>TobiX: i see same weird stuff in my apache logs. can u take a look?
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18:00<chomwitt>http://paste.debian.net/1007252/
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18:05<retrospectacus>all junk, ignore. Look for Jan 24 14:53 the timestamp of that strange foobla symbolic link
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18:18<iulian>it's there any Clementine channel ?
18:19<annadane>iulian, as in the music player? yeah, you can ask here
18:20<iulian>annadane, im not sure exactly what it's going on
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18:21<iulian> amarok = bus.get_object('org.mpris.clementine', '/Player')
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18:23<iulian>which one package i have to install mpdris2 or mpris-remote ?
18:24<iulian>seems like Clementine it's missing something
18:24<annadane>where do you get that error message, as in, what are you doing to trigger it?
18:24<iulian>and there it's strange error with Dbus
18:25<iulian>it's a small python script for conky
18:26<iulian>https://github.com/clementine-player/Clementine/wiki/Controlling-Clementine-from-the-commandline-with-DBus-and-MPRIS
18:27<syrius>is it common for a dev environment desktop (not production server) to run testing with strech security updates repo?
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18:28<annadane>it is not, as you're not supposed to mix testing and stable
18:28<iulian>this script was ok with Jessie. but now Clementine it's missing any package or D-bus
18:29<syrius>hmm
18:30<coruja>syrius, better run testing with watching unstable for updates concerning security issues, as updates arrive delayed in testing
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18:31<syrius>coruja: yeah i was just reading about that
18:31<syrius>deciding the best way to proceed. i figure testing will be stable enough for me
18:31<coruja>syrius, and be aware that things may break in both testing and unstable
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18:35<syrius>I see
18:35<syrius>my understanding is that 'testing' is overall pretty stable, though i do appreciate the warning
18:36<coruja>if you know how to deal with issues like broken packages, you may even run unstable successfully
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18:37<syrius>yeah, i of course would like to not deal with that often, so i think testing might be a good middle ground
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18:39<coruja>stability there also depends on the complexity of the software you usually use
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18:40<coruja>meaning major software bundles tend to have issues more regularly than simple packages
18:40<coruja>s/regularly/often/
18:41<syrius>sure
18:41<syrius>this is just a dev machine
18:41<coruja>for me running plain openbox unstable is a quite fair ground
18:42<iulian>DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.mpris.clementine was not provided by any .service files
18:42<iulian>now i got this hmmm
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18:48<chomwitt>retrospectacus: thanks for looking. i search apache logs, and at that time there is only a http request from a bot like those i paste
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18:55<spine_>'dealing with broken packages' involves reverting to older releases?
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18:56<coruja>Spine, either reverting to older package versions or fixing the packages' errors yourself
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18:59<coruja>some days ago e.g. there was an issue concerning dash which kind of deleted the sh symlink, then you should have an idea of what to do
19:00<annadane>get on irc and cry until someone helps you? ;)
19:00<syrius>annadane: ah sorry for the late reply.. this is what i had seen regarding the stretch security repo
19:00<syrius>https://www.debian.org/releases/testing/
19:00<syrius>"Please note that security updates for testing distribution are not yet managed by the security team. Hence, testing does not get security updates in a timely manner. You are encouraged to switch your sources.list entries from testing to stretch for the time being if you need security support."
19:00<Spine>annadane: that's been my strat so far :x
19:00<Spine>google > irc > reinstall
19:00<annadane>oh, really? that's interesting
19:01<retrospectacus>chomwitt: can probably just delete it. Does file "chomwitt@enousvps.22632:1515625501" exist? Do you think it relates to whatever http hosting software(s) you are running?
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19:04<chomwitt>retrospectacus: its a broken link
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19:04<chomwitt>retrospectacus: i have a simple debian 9 vps with apache only , but lately i was hit with malware and i had to reinstall debian so i'm pretty anxious
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19:05<chomwitt>retrospectacus: enousvps is the hostname
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19:07<iulian>there it's a plugin pidgin-mpris, but nothing like this for clementine
19:08<iulian>and without this plugin D-bus can't read any metadata from clementine
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20:44<grummund>Hi, can anyone tell me how to force ntp update of date & time?
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20:46<grummund>(www effectively down due to everything being https now :p)
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20:50<somiaj>do you have ntp installand and ntp running? There is also ntp-date, a cli tool to update the date
20:50<somiaj>though many suggest just running ntpd and letting it keep things up to date
20:51<grummund>sudo service ntp stop; sudo ntpd -gq; sudo service ntp start
20:51<grummund>sorted :D
20:52<grummund>it was so wildly out that certificates were failing
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20:53<somiaj>how far off? didn't realise certs were that depending on proper time
20:54<grummund>like a year ago
20:54<teatime>lol
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22:17<teatime>when I press brightness up/down on my keyboard, it seems to do two things
22:17<teatime>one of them is adjust the backlight (what I want)
22:17<teatime>the other one seems to be adjusting colors or gamma correction settings or something
22:18<teatime>like, if I turn it down then back up to full, it's "brighter than 100% bright", in that grey stuff is white instead
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22:55<sigimac>hello joe
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22:59<sigimac>heh
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23:49-!-Darcidride_ is "Quentin" on #ceph #debian #debian-arm #debian-boot #debian-bugs #debian-gnome #debian-mentors #debian-next #debian-systemd #gcc #observium #osm #ovirt #qemu #tor-project #virt
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23:53-!-kameloso is " kameloso!" on @#garderoben #debian
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23:56-!-setty_ is "Satish Setty" on #debian #debian-next #packaging #debian-in
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23:59-!-rbalint_ is "Balint Reczey" on #debian-ftp #debian
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