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#debian IRC Logs for 2018-01-27

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02:11<bhe[m]>Hello. What is the package name hamster time tracker ?
02:11<bhe[m]>*name of
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02:21<mifr>apt search hamster time
02:21<mifr>hamster-applet/now 2.91.3+git20120514.b9fec3e1-2 all [installed,local]
02:21<mifr> time tracking applet for GNOME
02:21<mifr>perhaps
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02:26<Ryoshikayo>In packages the <pkg-name>.postinst script is literally just a shell script that run post install right?
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02:36<avalith>apologies if this question gets asked a lot, but i'm returning to debian after ten years or so of using arch linuxor windows. how do i tell apt to look at a usb for offline package installation? i have /etc/fstab set up correctly and apt-cdrom has no problem recognizing it when i point it there, but even after apt-get update trying to install from my usb drive prompts me to enter a physical disc
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02:37<avalith>i found an ubuntu answer telling me to point to it using file:/mount/point instead of cdrom:, but i'm still getting the cd prompt
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02:56<bhe[m]>mifr: But hamster-applet is not in testing or sid
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05:20<smnaly>petn-randall : I've just installed Debian 9.3 amd with Gnome. I've only go to Synaptic and activate there contrib and non-free. After that, I put in the terminal apt-get update and problem still here.
05:20<smnaly>:(
05:21<smnaly>as you can see: https://paste.debian.net/1007456/
05:26<smnaly>I don't remember the other problem. I think it is different. Let me check the permissions of the file...
05:33<smnaly>petn-randall: after changing with chmod the permissions of /etc/apt/trusted.gpg , apt update marks the exact same problem than before :( https://paste.debian.net/1007457/
05:35<somiaj>smnaly: ls -l /etc/apt/trusted.gpg
05:35<smnaly>somiaj: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 32 ene 27 11:16 /etc/apt/trusted.gpg
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05:36<somiaj>in stretch you shouldn't really need that file, backup it up/move it out of the way and try again. Though I'm a bit weak on the details of how he whole keys with apt work
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05:36<Arpegius>I've created a service with Require Stop: apache2, however it doesn't stop after apache2 at shutdown, how can I fix it?
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05:39<smnaly>somiaj: I don't know how that file works too. I come here because I had this messages in my last Debian installation with the 9.2.1 installer. I suggest to reinstall my computer with the 9.3 installer and come here if the problem persists with a clean install and petn-randall was OK about that... And I'm here informing about this :)
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05:39<somiaj>smnaly: I know a way to recreate it that might work for you, Though in stretch that file isn't needed (I have it, but I think due to upgrades, not fresh install). Anyways you could try this, one second
05:40<somiaj>smnaly: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/110500/how-to-regenerate-etc-apt-trustdb-gpg-on-debian -- I've seen method 1 in that answer work, but have also been informed that is probably not the best way to do it in debian (partly since that file isnt' needed in stretch, that info is stored elsewhere)
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05:42<smnaly>somiaj: I'll bookmark the link and take a look at it :)
05:43<smnaly>somiaj: but before doing anything, first I'll see what petn-randall think about this problem...
05:44<Arpegius>There isn't someone who knows about services?
05:47<somiaj>Arpegius: what service did you create? sysvinit or systemd unit file? Required-Stop: looks like a LSB header setting
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05:53<Arpegius>somiaj, sysvinit
05:53<Arpegius>Yes, it's a LSB header
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05:55<somiaj>and are you using sysvinit, or just letting systemd use the LSB header to try to best figure out when to stop this process?
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06:00<Arpegius>somiaj, I'm using sysvinit
06:00<somiaj>all the LSB headers do is help programs like update-rc.d decide how to build the links, you could check /etc/rcS.d/ to see the order that scripts are run during shut down.
06:01<somiaj>If the apache script is run first, but yoru servirce still stops first, I don't know if there is much you can do (unless modify your script to explictly wait for apache to be stoped)
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06:29<Arpegius>somiaj, my script is K01 and apache script is K02
06:31<somiaj>so your script will be run before apache, you could just change the links (my recoletion is they are just read in order)
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06:33<Arpegius>somiaj, you don't know sufficient things about LSB scripts to help me figure out why it's being plaed here?
06:34<Arpegius>*placed
06:34<somiaj>sysvinit hasn't been the default in debian for a while now, and I don't quite recall the details of how update-rc.d decids to oder those links. But part of sysvinit is you can put the links wher eyou want, it is just scripts after all
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06:35<advancednewbie> hi guys. I'm trying to set up 2 sets of NIC teams using libteam-utils. libteam has 2 components, a kernel driver and a userspace daemon
06:37<somiaj>Arpegius: https://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts -- looking up the details, it looks like Require-Stop is not what youwant, you want Should-Stop, that page describes what the varrious LSB headers mean
06:37<advancednewbie>my problem is that the NICs team is never assigned an IP address at boot. if I manually rise the interface, it works
06:37<somiaj>Arpegius: sorry, nevermind, I read it backwards. Yea I don't see why update-rc.d is not correctly ordering the shutdown scripts.
06:38<advancednewbie>it seems that the teamed NICs don't exist at the time the /etc/network/interfaces is read and executed
06:39<advancednewbie>is there a way to wait assigning an interface the IP address, until that interface actually exists?
06:40<somiaj>advancednewbie: how do you manually bring the nic up after boot?
06:40<advancednewbie>ifup team0
06:40<somiaj>do you have an auto team0 in your interfaces file?
06:40<advancednewbie>yes, I do
06:41<advancednewbie>just a second to paste somewhere my config
06:41<Arpegius>somiaj, I will look for the page u gave me, maybe I will find some hints
06:41<advancednewbie>https://hastebin.com/yamopexowi
06:42<somiaj>advancednewbie: might be a boot up timing issue, where not all of the services/system is ready at the moment the networking service tries bring up all auto interfaces.
06:42<somiaj>hmm, In my setups I don't have multiple intefaces on a single line, you may need one auto line per inteface
06:42<somiaj>so auto lo and auto team0 as seperate lines.
06:43<somiaj>It could be that everything after lo is just ignored in your line 4 -- not positive, only going by my experience of how I have configured things
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06:47<Arpegius>somiaj, Required-Stop: boot_facility_1 defines facilities used by the service provided by the script. The facility provided by this script should stop before the listed facilities are stopped to avoid conflicts. Normally you would include here the same facilities as for the Required-Start keyword.
06:47<Arpegius>The name is misleading
06:48<Arpegius>"The facility provided by this script should stop before the listed facilities are stopped"
06:49<somiaj>Arpegius: its late here and I too had to take a double look at that, so yea, it could be you need Should-Stop instead of Required-Stop. Depends on if you want before or after.
06:50<somiaj>advancednewbie: I'm unsure about this team0 device though, if making auto team0 a single line doesn't fix it, you may have to ensure that systemd service runs before the networking service to ensure the team0 interface is ready at the time the networking service tries to bring it up.
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06:51<advancednewbie>somiaj how do I do that? if you could point me to some docs it would be great
06:52<somiaj>advancednewbie: two steps. 1) goto google and look up how you configure a systemd unit file to load before a paticular target (the networking targets are abit weird in systemd).
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06:52<somiaj>advancednewbie: second run 'systemctl edit teamd.service' and add the info to control when systemd loads it.
06:53<advancednewbie>somiaj thanks a lot!
06:53<somiaj>advancednewbie: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/229048/how-to-start-a-systemd-service-before-networking-starts -- has some pointsers, basically add something like Before=network-pre.target or something similar
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06:57<advancednewbie>somiaj : thank to your kind assistance I was able to solve my problem. thank you very much!
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08:51<smnaly>Hi! Sorry I'd to go before. petn-randall , did you read the messages I wrote here?
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09:15<brunoramos>hello, I'm looking for a user friendly, maybe gui, firewall application for a laptop running Debian. Any suggestions?
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10:53<birdperson_>'$ dpkg -L mesa-utils|grep bin' and '$ dpkg -L mesa-utils:i386|grep bin' return the same binary paths... so how does that work?
10:53<grawity>that's the same package, isn't it?
10:54<birdperson_>is it?
10:54<teatime>it is if you're on i386.
10:54<birdperson_>They are downloaded from different architectures
10:54<birdperson_>im on amd64
10:55<teatime>then you just can't install both.
10:55<grawity>if you're on amd64, but install the i386 package
10:55<grawity>will `dpkg -L mesa-utils` automatically match the :i386 one
10:55<birdperson_>Right, one uninstall the other. I had not installed mesa-utils
10:55<teatime>grawity: I suppose it would
10:56<birdperson_>And after installing it, it removed the i386
10:56<grawity>then the grep result is normal I uess
10:56<teatime>yeah, my appologies, I was confused earlier.
10:57<teatime>birdperson_: use apt-file to look at contents of not-installed packages.
10:57<birdperson_>teatime, right. I was trying to execute the i386 binary and i was confused
10:57<birdperson_>it seems ive been executing it all along, because I didnt have installed amd64 version
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11:13<koike>Hi, I followed the instructions at https://wiki.debian.org/WordPress to setup a wp blog, my problem is that I want my blog to be at mydomain.com instead of mydomain.com/wp, what should I do?
11:14<teatime>koike: it might be sufficient to change the two Alias /wp… lines
11:15<teatime>to Alias / instead. I dunno if that works, or if it will break any other static files that need served.
11:15<koike>I tried to add a "DocumentRoot /usr/share/wordpress" an erase the "Alias /wp /usr/share/wordpress", but now when I try to access mydomain.com/wp-admin it redirects to mydomain.com/wp/wp-login (but this path doesn't exist anymore
11:16<koike>this is my current config https://paste.ee/p/pcUoj
11:17<koike>now I can access mydomain.com but I cannot access mydomain.com/wp-admin (it tries to access mydomain.com/wp/wp-login which doesn't exist)
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11:18<koike>so I suppose this is not the right way remove the /wp/ part
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11:19<koike>teatime: if I try to Alias /, I get a Forbidden You don't have permission to access / on this server.
11:20*teatime shrugs.
11:21<teatime>I suppose that is not sufficient, then :)
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11:40<nasd4>i kinda wanna know if some1 still runs into problems using linux only. like u get somewhere with ur notebook and plug it in a random beamer , does it always work?
11:41<teatime>beamer?
11:42<teatime>linux hardware support is not perfect or universal.
11:42<bremner>well. HDMI and VGA output support is pretty decent these days
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11:43<bremner>but there could be quirks with "fancy" systems,
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11:47<nasd4>i still have windows on a partition but kinda wanna ditch it, but i might do presentations on a beamer and stuff, so i didnt do it , so still dual boot
11:48<grove>Last year I had some problems connecting to a projector, but not more than windows users had connecting to the same projector - it was a really strange hardware setup
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11:49<nasd4>i run into some printers but got the drivers conveniently for linux
11:50<bremner>nasd4: beamers are generally an easy case, much easier than printers
11:50<nasd4>hm nice
11:51<nasd4>to bremner ty
11:51<nasd4>how u get that colour highlight
11:51<nasd4>using "to" is nice bremner
11:52<teatime>just say the person's name.
11:52<nasd4>ah
11:52<nasd4>ty
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11:58<AleksejShilin>Hi! I'm using Debian 9 with GNOME 3.22, and I have the following problem: when I choose a wallpaper, it changes and looks fine, but after a few (more than one) reboots it glitches, becoming oversaturated and too bright. The issue persists across reboots, but If I (re)select a wallpaper, it is normal again, until a few more reboots. What could be the reason?
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12:00<user123>hi
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12:24<txt-file>Where can I find the source of the dpkg bot in this channel?
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12:27<Brigo>txt-file, dpkg is just an info-bot, check for that. https://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot
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12:28<txt-file>Brigo, info-bot the software?
12:28<Brigo>txt-file, i guess.
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12:29<txt-file>I am unsure if the word infobot on https://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot means the software or that the bots task is to provide information.
12:34<txt-file>And on http://infobot.sourceforge.net/guide-0.43.x.html I can not find anything about kicking people who flood the channel. I thought dpkg does this.
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12:49<TobiX>txt-file: I think most source is here: http://git.nanonanonano.net/
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13:14<rob_debian>Hi all, please, I'd like to know if there's an specific file system most suitable for a Debian Database Configuration Server. People nowadays refer to 'btrfs' journaled fs for this purpose. but I'm newbie in 'btrfs'
13:15<rob_debian>Please, should be 'xfs' or even 'ext4' for that ?
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13:16<txt-file>rob_debian, I would prefer ext4 as it is probably the most stable file system.
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13:16<rob_debian>Hi txt-file, thanks for attention ! :) nice to meet you here :)
13:17<teatime>I would tend to agree... use ext4 unless/until you have a compelling reason to use something else.
13:18<rob_debian>hi teatime, thanks for your attention too :) according what txt-file and you said, so It would be safe using 'ext4' in a Debian Database Server
13:18<teatime>safe, yes.
13:19<rob_debian>not so clear why are so many options for Linux: reiser-fs, ext3, ext4, xfs, btrfs... even some people use debian + zfs through dkms....
13:19<rob_debian>I bit confused here
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13:21<teatime>reiser-fs is dead afaik. ext3 is legacy. btrfs I still think of as experimental, but I guess that's not the official word. XFS and ZFS were both developed elsewhere.
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13:22<nasd4>https://www.serverfocus.org/reiserfs-vs-ext4-vs-xfs-vs-zfs-vs-btrfs
13:22<rob_debian>teatime, please, is there any similarity between any feature available both in zfs and xfs ?
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13:23<somiaj>rob_debian: different file systems do different things well, and some include additional features. In linux and debian if you don't know about this, use ext4, it is very stable, old file system and is the linux default in sense. Others may have features and advantages over ext4, but if you don't know about this, you most likey don't need it.
13:23<rob_debian>thanks for link, nasd4 ! I'll read it now, really thank you very much !:)
13:23<nasd4>:)
13:23<teatime>rob_debian: looks like a decent link just remain aware it's from 2011.
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13:23<rob_debian>fine, teatime
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13:25<rob_debian>oh, nice to know you again, somiaj, I know you use basically 'ext4', for I told you about these questions years ago. I repeated this question again, trying to know about any news related to linux fs differences nowadays
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13:25<annadane>basically if you don't know what you're doing you shouldn't just try random things unless you have a good reason to do so (says the person running unstable...) and especially the default fs should be fine for most purposes
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13:27<Guest2860>hi
13:27<rob_debian>Hi annadane, nice to meet you again !
13:27<rob_debian>Hi Guest2860 :)
13:27<somiaj>rob_debian: really not much difference these days, some of the projects (like riser) may no longer be active. I do know there is some push to try to make btrfs the more standard linux default, but I don't think that is happening anytime soon.
13:28<somiaj>I think the biggest new thing in the file system world, is zfs file system is now avilable in linux.
13:28<rob_debian>I see, somiaj, it remains in experimental stage for a long time...
13:28<rob_debian>well, somiaj, but zfs is not native in linux kernel, or am I wrong about that ?
13:29<rob_debian>it's not as native as illumos kernel
13:29<somiaj>no, you need a module, but it is the big buzz in the file system world that I see these days.
13:29<rob_debian>please, correct me, if I'm wrong, for I don't know zfs details in linux.
13:30<somiaj>as for btrfs, some just think file systems need a very very long testing period because you don't want bugs in your file system, that is a good way to loose data.
13:30<rob_debian>big buzz... ? please, somiaj, not so clear for me yet
13:30<somiaj>(note I think btrfs is consider stable by most, but it may not replace ext4 as deafult any time soon)
13:30<somiaj>rob_debian: the file system everyone is talking about. After being here 10+ years, each new file system seems to get a wave of people wanting to swtich to it.
13:31<somiaj>at one time riser was the popular file system of the time, and now it is dead.
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13:32<rob_debian>yeah, somiaj, but, please, according your experience: is that using zfs in linux as safe as using 'ext4' in Debian Linux ?
13:32<teatime>that one has a particularly weird history though.
13:32<somiaj>I like ext4. It has good preformance and works well under most common situations. The other file systems seem to excell in certain circumstances, lots of very small files, lots of large files, hosting a database, etc.
13:32<somiaj>teatime: yes it does, it more died due to no one wanting to be assoicated with riser after his trial.
13:32<rob_debian>yeah somiaj, it seems you were comparing ext4 to btrfs in this case....
13:33<teatime>rob_debian: I wouldn't say so. In experienced hands, sure. ext4 does almost everything well enough, though, without being complicated or needing much specific experience to not mess up.
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13:33<somiaj>rob_debian: I don't think any filesystem is 'as stable as ext4' in linux. zfsforlinux is still fairly new, so I woudln't call it as stable as ext4. But many use it just fine, and zfs is a stable file system well tested in other enviorments, but needs a bit more time being tested with the linux kernel.
13:34<Guest2860>i don't understand anything
13:34<annadane>hi Guest2860, this is a channel for debian support questions
13:34<teatime>rob_debian: use ext4 in combination with LVM to gain some flexibility.
13:35<rob_debian>I see teatime and somiaj. for majority of purposes, ext4 should be considered the best choice for Linux.... because it's well tested and quite stable, so, quite integrated to Debian GNU/Linux
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13:36<rob_debian>we are talking about file systems used by Linux Distros, Guest2860, and I'm focusing the subject in Debian GNU/Linux
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13:37<rob_debian>agree somiaj, in this perspective, I would prefer using ext4 in linux more than zfs
13:37<duncan>ZFS has neat properties you might find desirable
13:38<somiaj>it could, many of them can be covered by just using lvm instead, and most features may not be needed by a desktop user. A lot really depends on use case, and what you need from a file system (which is why alternatives exist)
13:38<rob_debian>Hi duncan, nice to meet you :), but the problem is: zfs needs to run as part of dkms module, so it doesn't run natively in linux kernel
13:39<teatime>duncan: but requires actual management.
13:39<duncan>Well, obviously!
13:39<rob_debian>to use zfs, I would prefer using it with Open Indiana, FreeBSD or any other Illumos Distro
13:39<teatime>unlike ext4, which just does its thing.
13:39<duncan>It's designed for allowing snapshots and pools
13:39<duncan>but there isn't much more management than LVM
13:39<duncan>it has similar concepts
13:40<annadane>it's worth noting that it may not be easy to just "use another filesystem" as it may break some things; arbitrarily switching is probably a bad idea
13:40<annadane>i guess depending on the fs in question
13:41<rob_debian>duncan, please see what teatime has said about ext4 + LVM... zfs integrates similar features to lvm... do you consider it similar to zfs in functionality, using ext4 + lvm ?
13:42<rob_debian>sorry if this question is not so well formulated....
13:42<duncan>No, ZFS has features that ext4+lvm lacks such as the snapshot functionality
13:42<teatime>rob_debian: ZFS has more capabilities than ext4 + LVM, but ext4 + LVM gets you a lot of what you'll practically want/need.
13:42<duncan>but you may well fine ext4+lvm may be desirable
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13:42<duncan>find*
13:42<rob_debian>annadane, I know a little bit about somiaj experience using fs in Linux. Please, what do you use in your Debian installations ?
13:43<annadane>just the default
13:43<rob_debian>fine, so you use ext4 too... ok, thanks !
13:43<teatime>duncan: LVM does snapshots, fwiw. You can setup copy-on-write snapshots and stuff with it.
13:43<rob_debian>I see teatime
13:43<teatime>I'm sure ZFS does more, but. still true.
13:43<annadane>zfs works with bsd because it's directly integrated
13:44<duncan>It's not quite the same, but agreed
13:44<rob_debian>yes, annadane, i use it in FreeBSD 10.3 installation I have here
13:44<teatime>rob_debian: play with ZFS in your development lab. Use ext4 in production until you have a compelling reason to not.
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13:45<duncan>rob_debian: FreeBSD 10.3 is unsupported, upgrade to 10.4-RELEASE or a newer current version
13:45<rob_debian>tried to install debian kfreebsd yesterday with zfs, not ufs, teatime, but I couldn't configure my disk partition using zfs
13:46<duncan>debian kfreebsd should be considered experimental :)
13:46<rob_debian>yes, duncan, it's an old FreeBSD installation I mantain here, in a 20 gb hard disk from 2005
13:46<somiaj>if I recall corrcetly, zfs uses slices, so it has a different concept of partitions than other file systemds.
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13:46<rob_debian>fine, somiaj
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13:47<rob_debian>yes, duncan, quite difficult to configure zfs in debian kfreebsd
13:47<rob_debian>well, for me it was
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13:48<rob_debian>fine, teatime, better testing it in a virtual machine before effectively using it in production. thanks for technical suggestion :)
13:48<hmhm>is it currently possible to mitigate spectre v1 on debian? cpu microcode update required?
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13:51<rob_debian>well, thanks to txt-file, teatime, nasd4, somiaj, annadane and duncan for technical support and high-level information ! ext4, btrfs, zfs are good, but Debian Warriors are always the Best ! Really thank you very much ! :)
13:51<rob_debian>See you all, God Bless you all :)
13:52<duncan>Bye! Good luck!
13:52<rob_debian>thank you duncan !
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14:13<hmhm>can we expect gcc compiled with retpoline patches soon? how about working intel microcode?
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14:16<amacater>GCC 7.3 has retpoline but was released only yesterday or so. Working intel microcode .... wait a year or three, they keep pulling microcode updates as servers keep rebooting
14:16<somiaj>even big manfactures are recalling their firmware/microcode updates, and I think debian is waiting for the final microcode and not just push out the current one without testing.
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14:18<hmhm>ahhh, intel sure has some work to do. we still run rather old systems and the microcode... doesnt update (x86-64 though)
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14:19<hmhm>at least we got minix for free with some of the newer cpus!!
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14:19<hmhm>great work intel. that's just great. mmm-mmm.
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14:25<hmhm>i feel dirty when i work with their stuff, and it wasnt always like this
14:25<hmhm>intel used to produce cool stuff, now its just tainted with evil ideas
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14:47<Ionic_>what is the policy for -dev package names? I've seen both libfooSONAMEVERSION-dev and libfoo-dev being used
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14:51<teatime>Ionic_: perhaps https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/#development-files
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14:52<txt-file>Ionic_: Some libraries are prepared to be installed in different versions at the same time.
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14:53<Ionic_>yeah
14:53<txt-file>e.g. I have seen the transition between gstreamer0.10 to gsreamer1.0
14:53<Ionic_>so libfoosonameversion-dev only if there's supposed to be multiple soname versions around
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15:19<Ionic_>thanks, teatime and txt-file
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18:17<yes>salut
18:17<annadane>!fr
18:17<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
18:18<yes>#debian-fr
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19:43<cyberfunk>I'm having acpi issues on an asus which, I am assuming is causing crashes for me. I am running buster. Is this the proper chat to inquire about this?
19:44<annadane>try #debian-next, cyberfunk
19:44<annadane>probably unrelated to the debian release but...
19:45<cyberfunk>tyty
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20:52<ifthisam>hlo
20:53<ifthisam>how to hack mobile network
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21:19<parrot>ayyy anyone know the root password for parrot os?
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21:31<hanasaki>how do you get to a X login screen from a remote computer ? encrypted
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22:40<nevyn>Hanasaki vnc xerver is one way
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23:17<sigimac>Ok used XFCE for years... recent'y put Debian 9.3 Stretch on my Dell laptop and used the Default windows Session to 'Cinnamon'. My mouse and touchpad both work perfectly in Cinnamon using the tap to open. I switched back to using XFCE4 and the left and right click work just like in Cinnamon but the 'Tap to open' Doesn't work in XFCE. Doubled checked and logged into Cinnamon again and "yup" works perfect in there. I made sure I had Double Click
23:17<sigimac>enabled in XFCE4. Anyone have this issue?
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23:20<sigimac>Ok used XFCE for years... recent'y put Debian 9.3 Stretch on my Dell laptop and used the Default windows Session to 'Cinnamon'. My mouse and touchpad both work perfectly in Cinnamon using the tap to open. I switched back to using XFCE4 and the left and right click work just like in Cinnamon but the 'Tap to open' Doesn't work in XFCE. Doubled checked and logged into Cinnamon again and "yup" works perfect in there. I made sure I had Double Click
23:20<sigimac>enabled in XFCE4, Anyone have this issue?
23:20<sigimac>damnit... sorry guys
23:22<teatime>what's 'tap to open'?
23:22<sigimac>touchpad
23:23<teatime>is it really a touchpad setting? it kinda sounds like it might be a cinnamon setting (open stuff on single-click rather than double-click)?
23:24<sigimac>tapping a laptop touchpad to open things is common... in all desktops
23:24<teatime>hmm.
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23:40<teatime>sigimac: wait, do you just mean tapping in general?
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23:48<TomTheDragon>teatime: I'm pretty sure the tapping thing is a Synaptics setting
23:51<teatime>I'm beginning to suspect he meant 'tap to click' / tapping in general.
23:52<teatime>if so, his problem is probably related to the change to libinput and he can enable tapping via xinput; as to why XFCE's setting for it doesn't work, I dunno, maybe hasn't been updated for libinput?
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23:56<teatime>or I guess he could revert to synaptics.
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