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#debian IRC Logs for 2018-01-28

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03:21<epzt>hi, netinstall stretch does not recognize my network card Broadcom netxtrem II 10 Go. I also used an ISO with firmwares, but also failled
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03:36<teatime>epzt: if I'm looking at the right device, it does need firmware, but should work.
03:36<teatime>epzt: do you know the PCI ID?
03:37<epzt>not actually
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03:39<epzt>I know "it should works", the problem is that it does not. Is there a mean during install to force the choice of a particular firmware ?
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03:41<teatime>actually, hrm, I'm not sure which firmware is on the default CD
03:41<teatime>let me see if I can confirm that this is
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03:43<teatime>it is.
03:44<TobiX>epzt: If that is using the bnx2 driver, the drivers are in firmware-bnx2... That should be part of the non-free image...
03:44<teatime>epzt: did you use a netinst CD from https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ ?
03:45<epzt>yes I used that one
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03:46<TobiX>epzt: Do you know the exact name of the card? Should be something like BCM57???
03:46<epzt>that's 5716
03:47<epzt>bcm5716 excatly
03:47<TobiX>description: QLogic BCM5706/5708/5709/5716 Driver
03:47<TobiX>Yeah, that's bnx2.
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03:48<epzt>yep, I found that also...
03:49<TobiX>epzt: You could try running "modprobe bnx2" on a shell while the installer is running and check with "dmesg" why the driver isn't loading
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03:50<epzt>yes thanks, good idea :). I also worried about blacklist modules....
03:51<epzt>i should check if its not blacklisted somewhere, in case...
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03:52<madez_>Dropbear with plain host key storage initramfs is easily doable by installing dropbear-initramfs. I'd like to run OpenSSH with an OpenPGP-smartcard-backed host key in initramfs. How could I achieve that?
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03:56<TobiX>madez_: The answer is probably: Write your own scripts... Somebody already did the work for Gentoo: https://github.com/smkent/initramfs
03:57<teatime>I have a theory on epzt's issue, but if it's the case he/she should see it in dmesg
03:58<madez_>TobiX: I found that earlier, but it has no OpenPGP-smartcard support mentioned. I assume other packages might also be needed for that.
03:58<epzt>could you explain....:)
03:59<TobiX>madez_: Isn't smartcard support only needed in the client?
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04:00<madez_>TobiX: I think OpenSSH can't deal with smartcard on it's own. So pcsdaemon and gnupgp are needed, too, I think.
04:00<madez_>TobiX: But is that all that is needed?
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04:03<TobiX>madez_: Shouldn't gpg-agent just act as ssh-agent when a suitable smartcard is loaded?
04:05<TobiX>With pkcs11-cards I had to use "PKCS11Provider /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/opensc-pkcs11.so" in ssh_config
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04:08<teatime>TobiX: do you need to have 'enable-ssh-support' in your gpg-agent.conf to make it emulate ssh-agent ?
04:08<teatime>(i.e., I think you do, but you seem to know more than me.)
04:11<TobiX>teatime: Yes, only the gpg agent protocol is enabled by default
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04:13<TobiX>teatime: There are some pecularities when using gpg-agent as ssh-agent, so you should probably read the man page ;)
04:14<teatime>I just thought that might be relevant to your current conversation.
04:14<teatime>I will say tho, I don't quite get why it sucks the keys into GPG
04:15<teatime>presumably that's the point, but it seems I missed the point
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04:30<TobiX>teatime: Well, wouldn't you use it the other way round? "gpg --export-ssh-key" your default GPG key to create an entry for authorized_keys, then add that key to .gnupg/sshcontrol and start the agent with ssh-support...
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04:33<teatime>TobiX: that, makes more sense :)
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05:39<madez_>TobiX: So, I guess I need in initramfs the daemon for smartcard-interaction, gpg-agent with ssh-agent support enabled, openssh and starting gpg-agent "with gpg-connect-agent /bye". Can you confirm that?
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06:34<take2_>madez_: in case of a shell, you should also export SSH_AUTH_SOCK
06:35<take2_>madez_: not sure how you'll do that with a smartcard config
06:38<madez_>take2_: gpg-agent can do that
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06:38<take2_>export SSH_AUTH_SOCK="$(gpgconf --list-dirs agent-ssh-socket)"
06:38<take2_>that's in my bashrc
06:38<take2_>are you saying, i can do that in a gpg agent config?
06:40<take2_>or maybe I did it twice. was kind of confused from a couple of blog posts back then. (with older gpg versions)
06:41<teatime>take2_: debian does that automatically, at least under X, perhaps elsewhere, if you enable ssh support in gpg
06:41<teatime>take2_: in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90gpg-agent
06:45<teatime>I guess that isn't important though. I just discovered it a couple weeks ago.
06:45<take2_>teatime: thanks! so I did it double indeed.
06:46<take2_>probably the blogpost I got it from, had it straight out of this xsession file.
06:46<teatime>take2_: I think you will still need to do it manually if you ssh into a host and expect to use gpg-agent there. Or login at console. The socket will get setup but not the env var.
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07:02<TobiX>madez_: I'm a little bit confused why you need the ssh CLIENT in your initramfs
07:03<madez_>TobiX: I don't, and I must have mispresented my intention. I meant the openssh server.
07:03<TobiX>Then why do you need any smartcart support in the initramfs?
07:04<madez_>I need to have pre-boot authentification of a server with an unextractable key.
07:04<madez_>TobiX: The server's key is in the card.
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07:05<TobiX>I see. Since I have no idea how that even works with OpenSSH, I probably cannot help you...
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07:16<TobiX>madez_: AFAIKS, the OpenSSH server uses the "HostKeyAgent" config variable to use an agent instead of keys from the filesystem, yes? Then you should have an existing setup with either ssh-agent (with pkcs11) or gpg-agent, which needs to be moved to the initramfs
07:17<TobiX>You can probably take the scripts from the dropbear-initramfs package as a template...
07:17<madez_>TobiX: Yes, I think that is correct. I want to use the gpg-agent, because i have an openpgp-smartcard
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09:58<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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12:22<tuxayo>Hi :) Does anyone know why npm isn't in the Debian repo. There must be a good reason so I can't just carry on and install it anyhow.
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12:30<take2>which repo?
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12:31<take2>it's in sid
12:32<take2>and jessie
12:32<tuxayo>take2: Indeed I forgot to mention that I'm on Strech.
12:32<take2>hm okay I gues that's your question :D
12:33<bremner>I think they're still trying to get all the deps packaged
12:33<bremner>It's a bit of a monster
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12:38<jhutchins>!why is npm not in stretch
12:38<dpkg>jhutchins: I think you lost me on that one
12:38<jhutchins>,why is npm not in stretch
12:38<judd>No package named 'is' was found in stretch/amd64.
12:38<jhutchins>,why npm not in stretch
12:38<judd>No package named 'npm' was found in stretch/amd64.
12:38<jhutchins>There's a way to do that.
12:38<jhutchins>bremner: Short answer is that it wasn't ready at freeze time.
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12:38<hackosx>Hello everyone. Can I install KDE 4 on the last Debian stable?
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12:39<bremner>jhutchins: true, but I'm not the one who wanted to know.
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12:41<tuxayo>jhutchins: thanks. It seems that it's in Jessie and hopefully will be in Buster. https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=all§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=npm
12:41<bremner>maybe. It seems to need help.
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12:43<bremner>tuxayo: there is more information on tracker.debian.org
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12:45<tuxayo>I'm trying to find the "cleanest & without using random addition repo" way to install npm and for now the plan would be to compile node from source. But that isn't really great.
12:45<tuxayo>thanks bremner
12:47<Brigo>tuxayo, you can try a sid backport too.
12:47<jhutchins>!ssb
12:47<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
12:48<qqz>hello; wanna configure a wifi network with the standard network manager of xfce4
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12:48<qqz>owever it writes: device not ready
12:48<qqz>if I invoke dhclient & wpa_supplicant manually from root it works
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12:49<qqz>what is the network manager in use and how can I give it the necessary rights?
12:49<qqz>However
12:50<qqz>the group #xfce says that there is no standard network manager for xfce and that I should ask at my distro`s provider
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12:57<spwhitton>does update-initramfs look at anything other than /etc/crypttab to find encrypted disks it needs to unlock?
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12:58<qqz>I am in group netdev and NetworkManager can not access my wifi device
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12:59<tuxayo>!bdo
12:59<dpkg>backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <jessie backports>) and oldstable (<wheezy backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/. See also <bdo kernel> <bdo mirrors> <bdo contents> <bdo list> <bdo bugs> <bdo xorg> <bdo NEW>.
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13:02<take2>qqz: so it's probably systemd-networkd
13:02<qqz>take2:?
13:02<take2>qqz: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/systemd/chapter07/network.html
13:04<qqz>NetworkManager (version 1.6.2) is starting...
13:05<qqz>systemctl -t service -a | grep networkd yields nothing
13:05<teatime>qqz: "device not ready" doesn't sound like permission denied.
13:06<teatime>qqz: if the device is listed in /etc/network/interfaces, it will not be managed by network-manager
13:07<take2>qqz: do you insist on using this network manager?
13:07<take2>not sure what that is actually
13:07<take2>the systemd one?
13:07<qqz>yes; I believe it would be handy since it has a nice configuration GUI - and is likely a frontend to NetworkManager
13:08<teatime>take2: network-manager is the closest thing to a default, well, network-manager that there is.
13:08<teatime>at least for mobile users and those that want a GUI to pick SSIDs from
13:08<teatime>or NetworkManager, whichever you want to call it
13:08<teatime>qqz: the official front-end and the one you'd usually use in xfce is nm-applet
13:09<take2>otherwise I would suggest to wirte something like "wpa-conf /etc/wpa_supplicant/mynetwork.conf" into /etc/network/interfaces
13:09*teatime sighs.
13:09<take2>not good?
13:09<take2>:D
13:10<teatime>I mean, it's fine, it's just not what he asked for :)
13:10<take2>I know, sorry.
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13:11<qqz>it would be nice if there was a GUI frontend especially when there are many wifi networks to select
13:11<qqz>from
13:13<qqz>nm-applet: connection information is grayed out
13:13<teatime>qqz: have you installed wicd at any point? have you checked that the NetworkManager service is running? have you looked at the logs (journalctl)?
13:13<qqz>likely it has insufficient permissions to gather that information
13:13<teatime>I do not think that is it.
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13:18<qqz>have not installed wicd; just the packages selected by default for an xfce desktop
13:19<qqz>device (wlp8s0): state change: disconnected -> unavailable (reason 'supplicant-failed') [30 20 10]
13:19<teatime>Have you rebooted recently?
13:19<teatime>If not, can you?
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13:20<qqz>why? do you mean that a reboot would solve it - generally you believe yes; so I wanna try to reboot now ...
13:20<teatime>It puts your system in a known state, which makes troubleshooting easier.
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13:21<teatime>If you've manually configured the interface / put it UP, that could likely be why NM sees it as 'not ready'.
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13:22<teatime>rfkill can also cause the 'not ready' message, but presumably that's not your problem because you said wpa_supplicant+dhclient worked. You can check that with 'rfkill list', though (may need to install rfkill)
13:23<teatime>and he's rebooting, I guess :)
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13:23<qqz>Hi; rebooting has resolved my issue
13:24<teatime>I suppose we'll chalk that up as a 'win', then.
13:24<qqz>apparently NetworkManager does not like me having invoked wpa_supplicant manually
13:24<teatime>Correct.
13:25<somiaj>yea most things doni't like multiple tools trying to configure the interface (espically thinks like NM that activally watcht he interface)
13:25<teatime>If you need to do that in the future, stop the NetworkManager service first, and make sure to kill wpa_supplicant & dhcp client & set the actual interface down before restarting it.
13:25<qqz>teatime: thanks for your advice
13:26<teatime>my pleasure.
13:26<qqz>yes; I can remember wpa_supplicant sometimes requires an ifdown on the interface
13:26<teatime>not ifdown, though
13:26<qqz>ifconfig wlp8s0 down ?
13:27<somiaj>qqz: ifdown would only be relevant if you configure the interface via the interfaces file.
13:27<teatime>that will work.
13:27<somiaj>qqz: ifdown is not ifconfig (which is depericated), most use ip these days for that.
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13:28<teatime>qqz: ifconfig will work, I think 'ip link set down dev enp4s0' would be the new way.
13:28<qqz>somiaj: how to do that with ip?
13:28<teatime>well, whatever device obviously
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13:30<somiaj>qqz: teatime gave you a way, man ip for more info.
13:30<somiaj>qqz: note you can still use ifconfig if you want, but is has been depericated for a long time now, and is slowly being moved out. I don't think ifconfig is installed by default in stretch anymore for example (but you can install it if you want)
13:31<somiaj>qqz: btw the ifup/ifdown scripts now use ip.
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13:35<qqz>ip link set dev enp0s25 up & ip link show dev enp0s25 - thx for pointing me at the right tool
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13:36<teatime>qqz: you probably want 'ip addr' most of the time
13:36<teatime>(in reference to your second command)
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13:41<somiaj>or 'ip a' for the lazy, ip will try to match your string to a valid command, and run it if there is a unique match.
13:41<somiaj>os 'ip ad' would work too
13:43<tuxayo>Thanks Brigo, bremner and jhutchins for your help about npm :)
13:43<tuxayo>See ya!
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14:10<madez_>I'm trying to use Debian's OpenSSH Server to use gpg-agent for the private host key. I set the option "HostKeyAgent /root/.gnupg/S.gpg-agent.ssh", removed the other host keys, and started the server. When I try to connect, the server failes with "error: Could not load host key: /etc/ssh/ssh_host_ecdsa_key // fatal: mm_answer_sign: ssh_agent_sign failed: agent refused operation".
14:11<madez_>I assume this might happen because the gpg-agent doesn't have the secret key directly, but uses an openpgp smartcard. As that one needs a pin, gpg-agent needs the pin, but when used from the ssh-server, there is no way to provide a pin, so things break.
14:12<madez_>Is that what happens, and if that happens, how can I make gpg-agent work without pin, or provide it permanently the pin somehow?
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14:12<teatime>If you do that, what is the point of smartcard?
14:12<madez_>teatime: The secret key is not extractable even if the server is compromised.
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14:12<teatime>It is if the smartcard is plugged in and doesn't require a pin.
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14:13<madez_>teatime: the smartcard is in an usb reader. I have another card in my client, and the client does need the pin to use it's card.
14:13<madez_>As both use the authentication subkey in the smartcard, I'd say the server should need the pin aswell.
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14:19<grummund>Hi, What is the correct dc_eximconfig_configtype for a machine which doesn't accept or relay external mail, and where all locally generated mail (e.g. cron output) is to be read on another machine?
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14:32<JR29>good evening how we fix the bug of the kernel: start to load modules, or when comes the next kernel thank you
14:33<amacater>JR29 - _which_ kernel bug. Meltdown and Spectre are fixed only in the very latest Linux kernels and then only for some parts of the kernel
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14:35<JR29>ok
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14:57<rob_debian>Hi all, please, which is the application that I need to install in Debian (using 'btrfs' this installation I'm using now here) to be able to open 'ntfs' partitions from other hard disk ?
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15:01<Nemoder>rob_debian: ntfs-3g might be what you want
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15:02<rob_debian>Hi Nemoder, that was just the appl I was looking for, but didn't remember its name. Thank you very much, Nemoder !:)
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15:04<rob_debian>Bye all !
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15:05<annadane>wasn't he specifically told not to do that?
15:05<annadane>oh well
15:06<teatime>annadane: I think that was a different guy
15:06<teatime>perhaps not though, this guy's been here a lot lately too
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16:52<allen>I want to do a fresh debian install on a new comp and have the first DE be kde-full. what's the easiest way to do this
16:53<annadane>allen, install no desktop environment and then when it drops you to a terminal apt install kde-full
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16:55<allen>does the internet access from the netinstall get carried over to the terminal? If not how to get Wifi access?
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16:58<annadane>if you have internet access in the first place then yes it gets carried over into the regular system
16:58<annadane>not sure what you're asking
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17:00<allen>I mean in the net install i enter my Wifi credentials. When Debian is installed with no DE and it drops me to the terminal, will I still have access so I can use APT?
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17:04<annadane>that should be fine
17:05<allen>ok, thanks for the help, appreciate it :)
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17:07<amacater>Better, if you can, to use wired access for the install - in case you need wifi firmware and so on from non-free to get the wifi hardware to work
17:07<iulian>nmcli dev wifi con "myssid" password "myssidpassword"
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17:14<allen>ok I might be able to get an ethernet cable to the comp. Thanks for the help everyone :) signing off for now
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17:16<thomson>Hey
17:16<thomson>Hello
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17:16<annadane>thomson, hi
17:16<thomson>hi
17:17<thomson>how are u?
17:17<annadane>do you have a debian question?
17:17<thomson>no
17:17<river>Hi
17:17<annadane>okay. the social channel is over at #debian-offtopic
17:18<thomson>Are you going to shoot me?
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17:18<iulian>did someone can help me to fix this https://ibb.co/m3mAOb
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17:19<thomson>I'm boring :(
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17:20<thomson>No one?
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17:21<river>Which GDB GUI front end do you usually use with debian/stretch?
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18:02<viktormyt>hi
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18:02<viktormyt>help me i lyttle speak english
18:03<bremner>what language do you speak?
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18:03<bremner>ok then.
18:03<blast007>!next
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19:06<sig>still haven't figured out why my laptop touchpad tap to doesn't work in XFCE but works using cinnamon... anyone else have this issue?
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19:17<ivan>sig: if you're using synaptics you might need TapButton1 https://gist.github.com/ivan/c35e798d4f32e37c1714ec5beec30d16#file-70-synaptics-conf-L43
19:18<sig>ivan: but I was wondering why it works in other Desktops?
19:19<ivan>maybe they reconfigure synaptics with synclient or maybe they use libinput
19:19<sig>yeah I know I have libinput drivers
19:19<sig>I'll mess with this page in a bit, thank you
19:19<sig>hopefully it works
19:19<sig>:)
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20:26<spyder>hi
20:26<sney>hi
20:26<spyder>where you from
20:27<sney>!chat
20:27<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
20:27<spyder>ok
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21:41<sigimac>teatime: you around?
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21:43<sigimac>ivan:
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21:44<sigimac>got a queston about that synaptics 70 file you sent
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21:49<ivan>sigimac: sure
21:49<sigimac>hey I added that 70-synaptics.conf
21:49<sigimac>made my touchpad work propery but then I couldn't type with any of my keys... ?
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21:50<sigimac>any idea why?
21:50<sigimac>I removed the libinput drivers and installed and loaded the synaptics drivers and then added that .conf file
21:50<ivan>no idea, that is very strange
21:51<ivan>maybe list your xinput devices and see what's going on
21:51<sigimac>I'm going to put the 70-synaptics.conf.bak back to see if there is something weird going on
21:51<ivan>could be a transient hardware problem too
21:51<sigimac>never had this issue before until I started using XFCE
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21:51<sigimac>works in all other desktop enviros
21:51<sigimac>hmm
21:52<ivan>sigimac: oh, make sure you have xserver-xorg-input-evdev installed, you might need that for keyboard
21:52<sigimac>ok let me check and see before I fumble around too much.. brb
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21:53<sigimac>weird thing is, I already had a 70-synaptics_custom.conf in /use/share/X11/xorg.conf
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21:56<sigimac>very odd
21:56<sigimac>after awhile the touchpad quits working with that config file
21:56<sigimac>had that package installed
21:57<sigimac>not working at all with those drivers
21:57<sigimac>typing that is
21:57<ivan>if you're happy with libinput, libinput can also be configured to click on tap
21:58<sigimac>ivan: yeah, I was happy with it. it worked like it was supposed to in all the other desktops. just doesn't work in XFCE
21:58<sigimac>but not sure why that would even matter
21:58<ivan>it should work fine.
21:58<sigimac>*should
21:58<sigimac>heh
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22:08<sigimac>ivan: very odd.... just reinstalled libinput and went into gnome and cinnamon and the tap the touchpad works for open/close apps..... Went into XFCE and tap on the touchpad doesn't work...
22:08<ivan>maybe Option "Tapping" "on" https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/5hyr9j/libinput_taptoclick_doesnt_work_but_xfce_does/
22:09<sigimac>looking
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22:12<sigimac>ivan: I only have 10-amdgpu.conf 10-quirks.conf 40-libinput.conf and 270-wacom.conf
22:12<ivan>the filename doesn't matter so much
22:12<sig>must be the libinput file?
22:13<ivan>yeah, also I hope you're touching /etc and not /usr
22:13<sigimac>well...
22:14<sigimac>it's unchanged... I'll switch directories
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22:15<sigimac>don't have it in /etc
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22:21<ivan>indeed, you have to make your own
22:21<sigimac>ok odd thing is, tapping works in all other desktops.... but looking at this config file I don't have: 'Option "tapping" "on"
22:22<sigimac>I wonder if the other desktops environments have that tapping option default enabled in there own cinnamon and gnome mouse/touchpad settings ivan ?
22:22<sigimac>gonna add that and try
22:22<ivan>sure, DEs do lots of runtime configuration of input devices
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22:23<sigimac>ok gonna try this.. crossing my fingers
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22:24<sigimac>in their files thet have: Identifier "InputClass" as to where mine is: Identifier "libinput touchpad catchall"
22:24<sigimac>that shouldn't make a difference
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22:27<sig>Hey ivan thanks for your help... that link solved this touchpad tapping issue.
22:28<ivan>cool
22:28<sig>only think I added was Option "Tapping" "on"
22:28<sig>fixed it
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22:29<sig>I checked and in the XFCE Settings I had touchpad "tapping" selected in the XFCE settings. Wonder if it's a XFCE bug?
22:30<ivan>xfce probably only configures synaptics
22:31<sig>oh could be ivan
22:31<sig>well no... because I tried the synaptics drivers too
22:31<sig>I juse went to freenode #xfce channel to submit a bug or ask if it was a XFCE issue
22:31<ivan>are you sure synaptics was used for the touchpad when you did that?
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22:32<sig>ivan: yes
22:32<ivan>ok
22:32<sig>I tried both because last night I found an issue on the debian wiki
22:32<sig>it was telling me to use the libinput drivers when I first noticed the issue. I then removed the synaptics drivers thinking they were the issue but it did the same in libinput
22:33<sig>now I'm just wondering if that option was missing in the synaptics.conf and it's a xfce bug
22:33<sig>because I know I check the XFCE settings for touchpad tapping
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22:40<rob_debian>Hello everybody ! Please, I would like to know if Debian has the same level of scalability as an Open Indiana server or any other OS in the Illumos Family, which runs ZFS by default.
22:41<rob_debian>I saw a video in 2014, prepared by an official user of the Debian Project in Brazil, that in 2013, Illumos kernel-based systems had higher scalability on servers with cpus above 32 cores, surpassing Linux and FreeBSD.
22:41<rob_debian>Please, does Debian GNU / Linux currently outperforms this scalability, or is it at least equivalent compared to Illumos kernel-based systems?
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22:42<rob_debian>This is the video, about 37min it explains about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rop_igtnmtU
22:42<sig>rob_debian: solaris right?
22:43<rob_debian>oh, sig, hi, nice to meet you here ! Yeah, sig, and others, such as OmniOS, SmartOS, Open Indiana....
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22:43<anil>hacker
22:43<rob_debian>please, sig do you know about it ?
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22:44<sig>I think solaris outperforms linux on scalability still
22:44<sig>I'd have to read and double check
22:44<duncan>Solaris is great!
22:44<rob_debian>hi duncan, nice to meet you too :)
22:44<ivan>rob_debian: you'd have to benchmark your workload. it's probably fine on linux, lots of people use 32 or more CPUs
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22:44<rob_debian>Hi ivan, thanks for information !
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22:45<rob_debian>but, please, sig, do you have updated news about this ? Solaris outperforming Linux on scalability yet ?
22:46<duncan>It depends on the workload
22:46<sig>rob_debian: solaris sales sing-image instances because of more cpu support where Linux do a mixture of both vertical and horizontal scalability.
22:47<duncan>If you want to use Solaris use Solaris; if you want to use FreeBSD use FreeBSD; if you want to use Linux use Linux.
22:47<rob_debian>I see, duncan.... please, sig, sorry for my ignorance. not so clear this last explanation you've passed me. sorry !
22:47<ivan>the graph you linked to is labeled "NUMA Performance" with no label on the y axis
22:47<rob_debian>sure, duncan, but my question is a technical doubt I'd like to solve now
22:48<duncan>They're all very different systems and you might find Solaris unsuitable for other reasons even if for some workloads it's better.
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22:49<awal1>not a hazard if almost all big website, big "social media" platforms uses linux...
22:51<duncan>I do not understand this comment
22:52<rob_debian>sorry, I was busy, back here again.. I see, ivan
22:52<ivan>my totally unbiased suggestion is to use debian and fix performance problems as you encounter them
22:53<ivan>with kernel parameter tweaking, CPU pinning, etc
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22:53<duncan>More people using Solaris-derived systems isn't awful...
22:54<rob_debian>please, sig, ivan, duncan, probably I'm being redundant, but my doubt is: so, doesn't debian scales as equivalent as Solaris in larger machines ?
22:54<ivan>is this homework
22:55<duncan>It depends on your workload, pick a system you like and test it in the real world
22:55<rob_debian>you are talking about tuning, ok duncan ?
22:55<duncan>Do you have a largge number of cores?
22:55<rob_debian>tuning both systems in the same situations...
22:55<rob_debian>not my case here, duncan
22:56<rob_debian>it is just curiosity my question
22:56<duncan>No, I'm saying there is more to a good system than how well it theoretically scales under certain circumstances
22:56<rob_debian>well, personally speaking, I always want Debian on the 1st position about everything, ehehehe
22:56<plant-man>I'd say having kernel level threads, is important to scaling.
22:57<duncan>Then use Debian and worry about scaling when you hit bottleneck
22:57<duncan>Or use Solaris and do the same
22:57<awal1>dunkan, I mean linux , for security, community working on it, comercial support ... in my humble opinion wins
22:57<duncan>Or use FreeBSD and do the same
22:57<rob_debian>I run Open Solaris here in vmachine, that is installed on Debian Stretch, duncan
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22:58<duncan>awal1: That is your opinion and there are many attractive qualities in other systems. Linux is a hacky mess in many senses.
22:58<rob_debian>hi plant-man, thanks for your information and point of view !:)
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22:59<awal1>statistics talks by themselves ...
22:59<rob_debian>duncan, when you say Linux is a hacky mess in many senses, comparing it to FreeBSD, for example, please, what do you mean ?
23:00<rob_debian>awal1, you said about statistics ? Please, I'd like to listen more about your analysis, if you permit me.
23:01<awal1>rob_debian, he means, here, you will just hear opinions, ; learn about all that your self try those kernels/systems your self and choose after experiencing
23:01<duncan>The system is not heavily integrated unlike is the case on BSD or other Unix-derived systems.
23:01<rob_debian>and please, if you have articles available on links discussing about these subjects, could you, please, pass me them ?
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23:02<awal1>not sure if this is the right channel
23:03<rob_debian>sorry, awal1, but quite interested on your point of view :)
23:03<rob_debian>trying to understand duncan better too....
23:04<awal1>really not interesting what you may hear from me; I am not an expert on linux, freebsd or any other kernel
23:04<duncan>FreeBSD is not a kernel.
23:04<rob_debian>but you are debian user... it's more than enough for me and for everyone who uses unix-like systems
23:04<awal1>I should have a hugue knowlodge about them all for make an objective comparison
23:05<awal1>talk in the air using poor argument is just talk
23:05<rob_debian>duncan, FreeBSD is both kernel and a complete OS, no ?
23:05<awal1>there is google for a vs b
23:05<rob_debian>I see, awal1, understand you, really thanks for your suggestion :)
23:06<awal1>I was refering to kernels and derived OS's, duncan
23:06<rob_debian>well, I always like a lot reading about duncan and awal1 thoughts :)
23:07<duncan>Kernel is a program, you can't lump OS and kernel tpgether and expect people to know you mean both
23:07<rob_debian>and, I always emphasize: I'm still quite newbie on Debian
23:07<plant-man>huh, does FreeBSD have kernel-level threads yet? I think not.
23:08<awal1>dunkan, don't feel offended; I am not minimizing your ideas
23:08<duncan>It is important to be accurate.
23:08<awal1>I know what is bsd and what is freebsd, openbsb ta ta ta
23:09<awal1>if you have an objective comparison, not just a vs b, teach us so
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23:15<awal1>rob_debian, i told you, just a vs b; use google and books :P
23:16<rob_debian>well, awal1, always glad when I see you here ! the same to duncan, plant-man, ivan, sig, for you are Debian Warriors, so, very special people :)
23:16<rob_debian>I'll do it, awal1, really thanks !:)
23:16<awal1>rob_debian, you changed nickname; i recognize your still :P
23:17<dvs>same here
23:17<awal1>style
23:18<rob_debian>oh, fine, awal1, I used r4f_debian before, but It was blocked, so I switched to 'rob_debian'
23:18<rob_debian>thanks for remember, awal1 ! :) God Bless you !
23:18<awal1>rob_debian, you had another one before , also :P
23:19<awal1>well, it doesn't matter ;)
23:19<rob_debian>I don't remember very well, awal1, but I think I used r4fkramer in the past too :)
23:19<rob_debian>before r4f_debian and rob_debian :)
23:20<rob_debian>I must go now, but really thanks for your attention again, awal1 and duncan !
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23:20<rob_debian>the same to plant-man, ivan and sig explanations !
23:21<rob_debian>hope to see you again awal1, I've lost how many occasions you've helped me here :)
23:21<rob_debian>Really thank you and God Bless you all !
23:22<rob_debian>Bye !
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23:54<other1>hello
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23:57<other1>i have a problem with thor
23:57<other1>tor
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23:58<annadane>what's the issue? you can also ask in #tor
23:59<somiaj>other1: you aren't alone, the advise I've heard here is make sure you are using the version from stretch-backports.
23:59<somiaj>though I don't use tor, so unsure on the details.
23:59<annadane>oh so that's the answer to the "it doesn't start for 10 minutes" thing
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