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#debian IRC Logs for 2018-01-31

---Logopened Wed Jan 31 00:00:12 2018
00:01-!-nasd4 [~nasd41@ip1f13c0f8.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has joined #debian
00:01-!-nasd4 is "realname" on #freedombox #debian
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00:04-!-dboehmer__ is "Daniel B\xF6hmer,,," on #debian
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00:08-!-nickwef_ is "New Now Know How" on #debian
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00:11-!-babyflakes is "p4cman" on #debian #oftc #moocows #linux-rt #perf #sched #iovisor #debian-systemd #freebsd #bcache #linuxfs #gcc #slackware #ext4 #storage #pdxpenguins #debian-gnome #ceph #432 #C
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00:11-!-jipege1 is "zaza,,," on #debian-doc #debian #debian-l10n-fr #debian-publicity #debian-i18n #debian-www
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00:12-!-jipege2 is "zaza,,," on #debian-doc #debian #debian-l10n-fr #debian-publicity #debian-i18n #debian-www
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00:12-!-jipege1 is "zaza,,," on #debian-doc #debian #debian-l10n-fr #debian-publicity #debian-i18n #debian-www
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00:13-!-kenyon is "Kenyon Ralph" on #ipv6 #munin #debian-ipv6 #linode #debian
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00:14-!-Darcidride is "Quentin" on #ceph #debian #debian-arm #debian-boot #debian-bugs #debian-gnome #debian-mentors #debian-next #debian-systemd #gcc #observium #osm #ovirt #qemu #virt
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00:27-!-jhutchins_wk is "Jonathan Hutchins" on #oftc #debian
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02:38-!-briner is "BRINER Cédric" on #debian
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02:45-!-dogsleg is "Lev Lamberov" on #chat2deb #debian-ftp #debconf #debian-haskell #debian-i18n #debian-doc #debian-www #debian-mentors #debian
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02:57-!-abrotman is "Alexander T. Brotman" on #debian-ctte #debian-systemd #debian-gnome #oftc #debian-mentors #seul #debian-ops #debian-next #debian-offtopic #debian
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03:06-!-debalance is "Philipp Huebner" on #debian-qa #debian-devel-changes #debian-kde #debian
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03:16-!-abrotman is "Alexander T. Brotman" on #debian-ctte #debian-systemd #debian-gnome #oftc #debian-mentors #seul #debian-ops #debian-next #debian-offtopic #debian
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05:59<that_one_guy_79812>I'm having trouble installing debian 9 stretch on my laptop where can I get help?
06:00<teatime>that'd be here :)
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06:04<that_one_guy_79812>I've installed debian plenty of times on older laptops painlessly with no extra steps required. This time though I am trying to get it to work with newer hardware and it boots up into a blank screen, and I'm not sure why, but I feel like it is the graphics card that is to blame. All the other machines I installed debian on that worked easy with no extra steps only had integrated graphics. One thing that popped in my head was t
06:04<that_one_guy_79812>ian to boot with integrated graphics. Any recommendations? Also does the new laptop I am trying to install on having an i7-7700k and dual Nvidia gtx 1080s in SLI (want to finally be able to game) add anything to the the problem?
06:05<petn-randall>that_one_guy_79812: Your message is truncated at "One thing that popped in my head was t".
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06:05<that_one_guy_79812>One thing that popped in my head was to force debian to boot with integrated graphics. Any recommendations? Also does the new laptop I am trying to install on having an i7-7700k and dual Nvidia gtx 1080s in SLI (want to finally be able to game) add anything to the the problem?
06:06<teatime>hmm
06:06<petn-randall>that_one_guy_79812: You probably need to force it to boot into intel graphics, then set up the gpu-switching properly, yes. I'd check the UEFI settings for such an option.
06:08<that_one_guy_79812>It never popped into my head to check the UEFI settings. You mean in the "BIOS" UEFI right? Or is there some other way? Also I was thinking I would have to edit my install to make that happen? And I was questioning support for the hardware at this point in time with current debian releases?
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06:10<petn-randall>that_one_guy_79812: Yes, the menu you can access for the first few seconds of turning on the PC by hitting escape, enter, F2 (or whatever).
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06:11<petn-randall>that_one_guy_79812: Usually you should be able to get the machine to boot with the default kernel, and then getting a newer one via backports should be enough to enable some smaller features of the HW.
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07:35<Ionic>can two packages install the same file without conflicting?
07:36<grawity>generally no; some packages use 'alternatives' to provide different versions of the same command
07:37<Ionic>I literally mean the same file - binary equivalent
07:37<grawity>I literally mean "no"
07:37<Ionic>okay, might have been that dpkg had provisions for such a case :)
07:38<Ionic>so splitting out the common file in a different package it is
07:39<jcrain>dpkg's provision is that it prints an error message if that happens
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09:40<sandy>Do you know how to install new kernel and fix the spectre vulnerabilities? Thanks
09:40<petn-randall>!spectre
09:40<dpkg>somebody said spectre was https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2017-5753 https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2017-5715
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09:47<mifr>as far as I know specre is not fixed yet
09:47<petn-randall>Clicking on those links will answer that question.
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10:22<sandy>petn-randall, right, Debian site says spectre is not fixed yet. But we should install kernel for microcode fix. Does anyone know how ro install microcode? Thanks.
10:22<petn-randall>sandy: Intel pulled their microcode update because it was buggy. Currently there's no fix.
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10:23<petn-randall>!microcode
10:23<dpkg>Microcode are instructions/structures for implementing high-level machine code within processors. The Linux kernel can load updated microcode on most x86 processors. Microcode patches for Intel and AMD64 CPUs are packaged for Debian as intel-microcode and amd64-microcode respectively; installing the relevant package is recommended to ensure system stability. Ask me about <non-free sources>. http://wiki.debian.org/Microcode
10:24<petn-randall>sandy: However, the general approach is explained above. ^^^
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10:28<sandy>petn-randall, thanks. Just wanted to confirm there is no fix for microcode from interl yet.
10:28<sandy>intel
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10:48<somiaj>sandy: correct, debian hasn't provided new microcode, but most big companines have recalled their firmware/microcode fixes as well due to complications.
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12:31<sshshell>How do I beautify my ssh shell text? Like if I ls, the folders will be a different color then the files
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12:32<sshshell>Is that on the client side or the server side?
12:32<sshshell>I would google it but I don't know whats the proper terms
12:33<teatime>all that kinda stuff is server-side, doesn't have anything to do with ssh
12:33<teatime>check out `man dircolors`
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12:33<teatime>for ls specifically.
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12:39<sshshell>teatime: what are some other examples and things that I can search for? I guess I am just trying to make ssh shell easier to read
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12:40<duncan>sshshell: Bash defaults are good enough
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12:40<teatime>sshshell: perhaps you just want to reconfigure your terminal's colors. (which *is* client-side)
12:40<duncan>you can identify "pretty" color variants e.g. see "man ls" ; "man grep" ; "man egrep" etc
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12:41<teatime>sshshell: it's the programs like ls that say "make this text blue", but which specific blue is up to your terminal/client.
12:41<Blacker47>sshshell, dircolors sets var LS_COLORS what is NOT set by ssh (but you can force it, see ENVIRONMENT section at man ssh). OR just use dircolors on remote server profile (like .bashrc: eval "`dircolors -b`"; alias ls='ls --color=auto')
12:42<sshshell>Any recommendations for SSH clients? I currently switch between ConEmu and Putty
12:42<duncan>uuuuh
12:42<duncan>openssh?
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12:42<teatime>On windows, I don't really like any of the options.
12:42<sshshell>Sorry I meant windows
12:42<teatime>You could run that new ubuntu subsystem or whatever it is, and openssh.
12:42<duncan>dropbear!
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12:46*petn-randall is guessing sshshell has a raspberry pi.
12:46<duncan>Doesn't raspberry default to bash which defaults to the pretty colors?
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12:47<sshshell>petn-randall: I actually don't have one
12:47<teatime>duncan: I mean, the shell only colors your prompt.
12:47<duncan>e.g. it has aliases for ls=ls --color=auto
12:47<duncan>which should do exactly what the user demanded - set folders and files to have different colors
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12:47<duncan>(of course, assuming sane colors in the terminal)
12:47<petn-randall>sshshell: I see. Many windows users have their first contact with Linux through the RPi, that's why I was guessing. No offense! :)
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12:48<sshshell>petn-randall: I just figured you were trying to burn me
12:48<teatime>sshshell: wait, was that the question? how to get colors for e.g. 'ls'? I thought you meant you already had colored output, and wanted to customize it.
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12:49<sshshell>I was just using the ls as an example, I feel like at some point I was in a server and when I used vi to open the files the text was beautified according to what you were looking at
12:49<sshshell>Like how notepad++ does it when you set the language
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12:49<teatime>sshshell: see that's a different thing altogether, in vim you have to do ':syntax on' or whatever to enable colors.
12:50<teatime>sshshell: it's different for each program/command.
12:50<sshshell>teatime: Ah I am sorry for the confusion, I am just trying to make my job easier
12:50<teatime>many will automatically use color when connected to a TTY (vs a file/pipe) and they detect a color-capable terminal with terminfo; ls is frustrating in that regard.
12:51<teatime>sshshell: you also probably need to install a full vim package instead of the minimal one that you get by default
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12:52<sshshell>teatime: Whats a preferred text reader? I really like vi for its simplification, but I am starting to use nano now
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12:52<teatime>it is all personal preference.
12:53<teatime>if you already know vi, it has the benefit of being everywhere; if you don't, it probably doesn't really have the ROI to justify learning it. I'm a vim person. Emacs is the other obvious choice.
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12:57<teatime>sshshell: I wish I could be more helpful. I'm sure there are some big guides out there that cover lots of different aspects. I don't have a link to one, though.
12:57<petn-randall>sshshell: Not really a burn. We welcome all kinds of users, wherever they came from, as long as they use Debian! :)
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12:58<duncan>Don't we welcome people who may or may not use Debian, but have questions?
12:58<teatime>perhaps if they're questions about debian
12:59<sshshell>petn-randall: Aw crap just realized I have been using windows 95
12:59<sshshell>They should really bring back windows vista
13:01<sshshell>You guys have any insight on dotdeb before I google it
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13:02<duncan>dotdeb?
13:02<duncan>Is this a program?
13:02<petn-randall>!dotdeb
13:02<dpkg>http://dotdeb.org/ is an unofficial package repository with emphasis on the <LAMP> solution stack, unsupported in #debian. To get support, read http://www.dotdeb.org/2012/08/24/how-to-post-useful-bug-reports/ and report any issues to https://github.com/gplessis/dotdeb-php5/issues . Ask me about <dotdeb alternatives>.
13:02<petn-randall>sshshell: ^^^
13:02<sshshell>petn-randall: thanks
13:03<teatime>sshshell: look toward the official repos including stretch-backports first, before considering 3rd-party repos; they're fraught with issues and dangers.
13:03<duncan>Some 3rd-party deb repos aren't signed, such as Weechat's upstream deb repository.
13:03<duncan>for instance.
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13:04<sshshell>Ah so these let me install lets say php 7 with latest updates without having to upgrade debian all the way?
13:04<sshshell>Am I correct
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13:04<teatime>I don't know why you would want to do that.
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13:04<teatime>php7 is in stable, and has debian-security support
13:05<sshshell>teatime: that was just an example
13:06<teatime>sshshell: just make sure you're not suffering from
13:06<teatime>!sns
13:06<dpkg>Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
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13:06<duncan>sshshell: If you use the Debian repositories we can easily help you to debug, because we can reproduce the behavior if need be quite reasonably.
13:06<sshshell>teatime: No I am trying to keep the OS levels at what management wants while keeping the php versions at what the programmers need
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13:07<teatime>sshshell: again, check backports before resorting to 3rd-party repos.
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13:08<sshshell>teatime: Yeah I am looking at backports right now
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13:08<sshshell>teatime: dotdeb was added by a contractor that is no longer with us. Trying to pick up where he left off
13:10<sshshell>Has 8.10 reached end of life and is no longer being patched?
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13:21<petn-randall>!jessie-lts
13:21<dpkg>Security support for Debian 8 "jessie" from the Debian Security Team should end around 2018-05. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures will receive additional long term support (<LTS>) via <jessie/updates> until around 2020 for a 5 year lifetime total. See https://wiki.debian.org/LTS for more information
13:22<petn-randall>sshshell: It's still supported if set up correctly. ^^^
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13:24<sshshell>petn-randall: thank you
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13:30<sshshell>Anyway for apt-get to show the versions that it will upgrade a package to?
13:32<duncan>sshshell: Keep in mind that LTS does not apply to all packages. You're best to use the current stable release.
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13:35<sshshell>Am I correct to say that apt-cache will show me the version that it is trying to install?
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13:54<fortranwarror>hi
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14:05<lavamind>any idea why after booting with the 4.14 backported kernel, console text is now all red ?!
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14:05<duncan>it's to warn you you're vulnerable to spectre and rowhammer
14:05<duncan>it will only go away when those are gone, according to Tux.
14:06<grawity>now that's something I have not heard of
14:06<duncan>oops
14:06<duncan>I thought this was a different channel
14:06<lavamind>very funny
14:06<duncan>sorry
14:06<ryouma>spectre?
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14:23<lavamind>oh, joy: halt => system hang, poweroff => normal shutdown (still on stretch)
14:24<lavamind>is there anything actually different ? I enabled the debug shell beofre doing halt and even that hangs
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14:30<teatime>lavamind: well, where does it hang?
14:30<somiaj>lavamind: can you clarify, so halt hangs, but if you poweroof it works normal? Can you state what commands you are running to halt or normal shutdown of your system?
14:31<lavamind>somiaj: I'm talking about /sbin/halt
14:32<lavamind>invoking /sbin/halt hangs the system after a few seconds
14:32<somiaj>well /sbin/halt is a link to systemctl, to run 'systemctl halt'
14:32<lavamind>while /sbin/poweroff does a normal shut down and power off the system
14:32<teatime>lavamind: at the risk of sounding condescending, you know halt *should* hang after all the shutdown tasks etc., not end up powering off or rebooting, right?
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14:33<somiaj>also /sbin/poweroff also points to systemctl, so the issue is with systemd. I don't know what systemd is doing different via a halt command vs poweroff, but that is where I would start to debug this.
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14:33<lavamind>teatime: well, maybe, except I've *always* used the "halt" command to launch the shutdown sequence, I'm fine if that's changed but eh, not so clear
14:34<teatime>lavamind: so are you expecting 'halt' to power off or reboot?
14:34<lavamind>power off
14:34<teatime>yeah, use poweroff for that :) (or 'shutdown -h now')
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14:35<lavamind>I enabled the debug shell, launched 'journalctl -f' and switched to it right after invoking "halt"
14:35<teatime>the later should power off. in the old days, halt would end with a message like "System halted. You may now reboot."
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14:36<lavamind>I can see shutdown messages, except it doesn't always hang at the same place, and it does say anything like "shutdown complete, now sneakily freezing the entire system" :P
14:36<lavamind>anyway
14:36<lavamind>yeah I guess poweroff it is
14:37<lavamind>it sort of sucks because I probably even if I think to write poweroff, my hands will write "halt<CR>" before I have time to stop them lol
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14:38<lavamind>such is the human brain
14:38<teatime>make an alias :)
14:38<lavamind>hahah yeah I guess I could!
14:38<emil>hi, maybe someone is able to help me out with this:i'm tryiing to find the specifications/rules for environment variables in debian, especially regarding casesensitivity of environment variable names
14:38<lavamind>and I'll be back in a few months "people... why does halt power down the system ???"
14:38<teatime>emil: absolutely case sensitive, in all *nix's
14:39<teatime>(that I know of anyway)
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14:41<emil>teatime: as far as i'm aware they are in uppercase, but i'm in need for an actual source on that. The only thing i could find so far is the c getenv specification which states that casesensitivity of that function is systemspecific
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14:42<teatime>emil: They don't *have* to be upper-case. This may be what you are looking for (POSIX standard): http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/basedefs/V1_chap08.html
14:42<teatime>"Environment variable names used by the utilities in the Shell and Utilities volume of POSIX.1-2008 consist solely of uppercase letters, digits, and the <underscore> ( '_' ) from the characters defined in Portable Character Set and do not begin with a digit. Other characters may be permitted by an implementation; applications shall tolerate the presence of such names. Uppercase and lowercase letters shall
14:42<teatime>retain their unique identities and shall not be folded together."
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14:44<emil>teatime: thank you so much thats exactly what i was looking for...
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14:45*teatime is frequently very glad that POSIX doesn't cost money like most standards.
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14:57<somiaj>lavamind: make 'halt' an alias for poweroff.
14:57<somiaj>oh that idea was suggested
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16:26<prixtis>i just tried to upgrade from jessie to to stretch. i did and apt-get update and apt-get upgrade and the only packages listed to be installed where bind9 bind9-host bind9utils dnsutils lwresd
16:26<prixtis>and im still running the 3.16 kernel
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16:27<annadane>'_'
16:27<teatime>prixtis: the proper way to upgrade is to read the release notes for the new release, and follow the instructions
16:27<teatime>sounds like you missed some critical steps
16:27<prixtis>i did
16:27<annadane>prixtis, probably you need apt-get dist-upgrade
16:28<prixtis>apt pinning systemd maybe?
16:28<prixtis>i did that annadane
16:28<prixtis>i was running wheezy and upgraded to jessie
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16:29<prixtis>everything went smooth
16:29<prixtis>i even pinned systemd to keep sysvinit
16:29<prixtis>and left it pinned after upgrading to jessie
16:30<annadane>oh dear
16:31<prixtis>i should have disabled pinning systemd?
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16:31<teatime>even if that were invalid (I don't know either way, systemd still isn't mandatory as of stretch), it wouldn't cause you to see *that* few packages upgraded.
16:32<teatime>what does 'lsb_release -a' report? what is your sources.list (upload to pastebin)?
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16:33<teatime>well actually, it *is* mandatory, but it doesn't have to be the init system.
16:33<prixtis>https://pastebin.com/Cf0Sq0U4
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16:34<teatime>also you will not get kernel upgrades unless you install a kernel meta package like linux-image-amd64
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16:34<teatime>(this is in the release notes, pretty sure.)
16:35<prixtis>i read both release notes today from wheezy to jessie and from jessie to stretch
16:35<prixtis>the only thing i didnt do was to unpin systemd
16:36<teatime>show your sources.list, I'm researching the systemd bit for you
16:36<prixtis>pastebin or here?
16:37<teatime>some paste site
16:37<prixtis>https://pastebin.com/6tjaqmyD
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16:39<teatime>I don't think it's your problem, but one of those lines is wrong
16:39<teatime>!sources.list
16:39<dpkg>A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main" "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main". Be sure to run «apt update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <stretch/updates> <stretch-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list".
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16:39<teatime>deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates main contrib non-free <-- for your 2nd one
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16:40<prixtis>didnt do nothing. thanks for pointing it out
16:41<prixtis>i will restore and try again
16:41<teatime>prixtis: you can try removing the systemd pin, the more I think about it the more I think it is probably your problem
16:41<prixtis>ok
16:42<teatime>prixtis: also running `aptitude search "~o"` will give you an idea if you've completed the upgrade or not
16:42<teatime>that shows installed packages not available from currently-configured repos
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16:42<prixtis>https://pastebin.com/qjb0y0Ki
16:43<teatime>you'll expect to have a few, on a system upgraded through three major releases (but may wish to clean those up), but if it's tons of packages, your upgrade is incomplete
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16:43<teatime>https://pastebin.com/qjb0y0Ki
16:43<teatime>mis-paste
16:44<prixtis>https://pastebin.com/qjb0y0Ki
16:44<teatime>I mis-pasted :)
16:44<prixtis>oh lol
16:45<prixtis>https://pastebin.com/zqsuDQDq
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16:45<prixtis>thats the out put of aptitude search
16:47<teatime>how about `aptitude why-not gcc-6`
16:48<prixtis>huh?
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16:48<prixtis>unable to find a reason to remove
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16:49<teatime>have you checked to see what happens with an empty /etc/apt/preferences file yet?
16:50<teatime>and /etc/apt/preferences.d/* too
16:50<prixtis>no
16:50<teatime>you should; easy to see if that's your problem (probably is)
16:50<teatime>you don't have to let it upgrade if you want to do more research first
16:50<teatime>but you can see if it's willing to
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16:51<teatime>you can also try `aptitude full-upgrade` instead of `apt-get dist-upgrade`, it will hopefully be more verbose about why it's not upgrading stuff.
16:51<prixtis>yeah but aptitude is not recommended for dist-upgrades
16:51<teatime>again you don't have to let it upgrade, just see what it prints out then cancel.
16:52<teatime>(or use --dry-run)
16:52<teatime>you said you have a good backup of this system?
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16:52<prixtis>yes
16:52<prixtis>wheezy
16:52<teatime>that's good.
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16:53<prixtis>im goint to restore and try again
16:53<prixtis>thanks for your help and time. much appreciated
16:53<prixtis>but again thats what debian is all about :)
16:53<teatime>if your systemd pinning is on like systemd*, I'm sure that's it
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16:54<prixtis>https://pastebin.com/BKip9EhW
16:55<prixtis>thats in /etc/apt/preferences.d/preferences
16:55<teatime>oh wow
16:55<teatime>*that* is your problem
16:55<teatime>you're trying to upgrade to stretch, right?
16:55<prixtis>yes
16:55<teatime>you see the problem, yes?
16:55<prixtis>it wont let it upgradE?
16:56<prixtis>because of -10?
16:56<teatime>stretch == stable, negative priorities == never install
16:56<teatime>that says "never install packages from stretch"
16:56<prixtis>that was there from wheezy
16:56<prixtis>so what do i change it to?
16:56<teatime>just remove it
16:57<prixtis>whole file empty
16:57<teatime>or non-existent, whichever
16:57<prixtis>ok
16:57<teatime>your jessie upgrade would have worked because that is now oldstable
16:58<prixtis>is you name gandalf? you are a wizard :)
16:58<prixtis>its working
16:58<teatime>I should have gotten this a lot faster tbh
16:58<prixtis>i owe you a cup of tea
16:59<teatime>lol
16:59<prixtis>i dont know why that was there
17:00<teatime>me either. fairly certain it was not put there automatically.
17:00<teatime>maybe at some point in the past, it was tracking testing. perhaps during a freeze just before a release.
17:00<prixtis>could be
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17:00<prixtis>i update regulary
17:01<prixtis>i dont remember if i added it or not
17:01<teatime>when your upgrade is done, you'll want to install linux-image-amd64 to begin getting kernel updates
17:01<teatime>and re-check `aptitude search "~o"`
17:02<prixtis>doesnt that get install automatically?
17:02<teatime>linux-image-amd64 is just a metapackage that depends on newest kernel
17:02<prixtis>will do
17:03<prixtis>how long are you using debian?
17:03<teatime>very long time, but I have been out of touch for the last couple of years so I can be a bit out of date / rusty
17:03<teatime>for example, I'm not sure how to tell you correctly how to avoid systemd init
17:04<prixtis>but you can look it up
17:04<teatime>been trying, everything I'm finding so far seems out of date :/
17:06<prixtis>i installed last month jessie on my desktop. clean install. didnt want to upgrade due to steam client messing up everything (almost). after the install i installed sysvint and systemd-shim
17:06<prixtis>works fine
17:07<teatime>k, yeah that sounds right.
17:08<prixtis>i onlly have one issue on my desktop. i download (incoming packets) with 1 gbps. upload (outgoing) is under 100mbps
17:08<prixtis>cant figure whats wrong
17:09<teatime>are you sure it's not just either your internet service, or the server on the other end of the connection?
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17:09<prixtis>!sysvinit
17:09<dpkg>sysvinit is an essential package providing System-V-like init utilities (e.g. /sbin/init) required to boot a Debian system. zless /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.runlevels.gz . As of sysvinit 2.88dsf-3, concurrent (parallel) booting is the default when <dependency based startup> is enabled. sysvinit hasn't been able to correctly boot the Linux kernel since 2003, which is why alternatives have been actively pursued.
17:09<prixtis>my lan
17:10*teatime gives that factoid some side-eye
17:11<teatime>prixtis: do you still have the systemd pin?
17:11<prixtis>no
17:11<teatime>good, I'm pretty sure it would cause you some issues
17:11<prixtis>and im afraid its going to get installed
17:11<teatime>depending on what it was exactly
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17:12<teatime>there will definitely be some systemd* packages installed, but you should be OK as long as you have sysvinit-core installed. I think, like I said I'm not sure.
17:12<teatime>but, you have a backup, so you're free to experiment, and/or see what happens
17:12<teatime>so, you can only upload at 100mbps to another host on the same LAN ?
17:12<prixtis>yes
17:13<teatime>using an internal address ?
17:13<prixtis>but i download at 1gbps
17:13<prixtis>yes
17:13<prixtis>and just ipv4
17:13<prixtis>i have ipv6 disabled
17:13<teatime>any QoS rules on either host?
17:13<prixtis>with and without the firewall running
17:13<prixtis>no
17:14<teatime>and, how are you testing? try it with iperf3
17:14<prixtis>a 300mb file takes a minute to be copied
17:15<teatime>iperf3 would have the advantage of testing *only* the network
17:15<teatime>it's really easy to use too
17:15<prixtis>installing
17:15<teatime>you need it on two hosts
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17:17<prixtis>i even tried with nc and dd. dd /dev/zero | nc remote pc nc dd /dev/null same speed
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17:17<prixtis>dd reported 8mb/s
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17:17<teatime>hrm, well that's a similar/equivalent test
17:18<prixtis>upgrade is finished
17:19<prixtis>and systemd installed yeah...
17:20<prixtis>that poetering dude or whatever he is called should be shot and hung
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17:20<teatime>I wouldn't go that far.
17:20<prixtis>not neccesarily with that order
17:20<prixtis>figure of speech
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17:20<prixtis>i wish no harm
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17:21<prixtis>9.3
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17:22<prixtis>now i install linux-image-amd64?
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17:22<teatime>I would; again that gets you kernel updates as they're available.
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17:25<prixtis>already the newest version
17:25<teatime>(btw, to use iperf3, you run 'iperf3 -s -p PORT' on the "server", where PORT is some conveniently not-firewalled port you want to run it on, then 'iperf3 -c SERVER -p PORT' on the "client" where SERVER is the "server"'s address. and you can also use -R on the "client" to test the upload direction.)
17:25<teatime>prixtis: then you should have gotten a new kernel installed along w/ the rest of the upgrade.
17:26<prixtis>yes i did
17:26<prixtis>i saw when it installed grub
17:26<teatime>and of course you have to reboot to have that take effect.
17:26<prixtis>i just did
17:27<prixtis>did an autoremove before the reboot
17:27<mnuhmnuh>prixtis: i like to believe that just because MS's implementation of Win. Registry was so bad doesn't mean poetering's version of it shouldn't be done. :-)
17:27<prixtis>its a disaster waiting to come
17:28<prixtis>single point of failure approch
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17:28<teatime>it's an old argument that has been very painful to #debian, even though I am not a fan myself I don't think it should be hashed out here.
17:28<teatime>er, to Debian, I mean.
17:28<mnuhmnuh>the only constant is change. vi killed ed, time marches on.
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17:29<prixtis>i find the approach do one thing and do it good
17:29<prixtis>it keeps things simple
17:30<prixtis>and easier to trouble shoot
17:30<annadane>you're not alone in your dislike of systemd but if we start discussing it here then it will drown out the other support questions
17:30*teatime is surprised to see that his system has some minimal tc configuration by default
17:30<prixtis>i know
17:30<prixtis>sorry
17:30<prixtis>tc?
17:31<teatime>configures QoS
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17:35<teatime>prixtis: I am hard-pressed to think of what could possibly cause your asymetrical transfer issue, except perhaps you once configured QoS and have forgotten about it; it would be a typical configuration to limit upload to just below your internet connection's upload speed.
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17:36<teatime>prixtis: could you upload the output of 'tc qdisc show' ?
17:36<teatime>btw, there's a nice pastebin that you can upload to like this: 'tc qdisc show | nc termbin.com 9999'
17:36<prixtis>https://pastebin.com/T2v5u9vm
17:37<teatime>ok, that's normal/default, so not that then.
17:38<prixtis>the upgrade worked
17:38<prixtis>everything works
17:38<teatime>that's always good :)
17:38<prixtis>20 mins ahead of schedule :)
17:38<teatime>including the networking issue?
17:38<prixtis>1hr and mins sorry
17:38<prixtis>20
17:38<prixtis>now
17:38<prixtis>the network is my desktop issues
17:38<prixtis>the upgrade is my vps
17:39<teatime>ah
17:40<prixtis>so where does the debian community hang out to chat?
17:40<annadane>#debian-offtopic
17:40<prixtis>i know this irc network is not for chatting
17:40<annadane>which is quite dead, the one on freenode is a bit more active
17:41<teatime>mostly it seems to just be me and rant being stupid, heh
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17:42<prixtis>im trying to get verified from ns
17:42<prixtis>gimme a sec
17:42<teatime>is your desktop on wireless or wired ethernet?
17:43<prixtis>heheheh
17:43<prixtis>1gbps wireless :)
17:44<prixtis>wired of course
17:44<teatime>heh, good point.
17:44<prixtis>since i registered my nick shouldnt i get a +r mode?
17:45*teatime shrugs.
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17:45<annadane>if you just registered your nick you'll need to /msg nickserv verify <password>
17:46<annadane>er sorry
17:46<annadane>s/verify/identify
17:46<prixtis>i did identify
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17:47<prixtis>/verify is an unknown command
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17:48<annadane>*shrug*
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17:49<prixtis>brb
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17:50*teatime heads out.
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17:53<prixtis>i have identified but how verification works isnt very clear
17:54<prixtis>3
17:54<prixtis>#
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17:54<teatime>iirc it sends you an email w/ a command you must enter
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17:56<prixtis>but i have to do something for ns to send me an email
17:56<prixtis>before
17:57<teatime>got me, try #oftc / #freenode
17:57<teatime>you really want the #debian-offtopic on freenode I think
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17:59<mnuhmnuh>prixtis: i asked in #oftc, and they suggested example@example.com then go to support page to finish : https://www.oftc.net/
18:00<prixtis>i just did
18:00<prixtis>its in their topic
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18:05<prixtis>is irc.freenode.net the same with chat.freenode.net?
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18:06<mnuhmnuh>i used (!) the former when i could connect.
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18:10<kaliuser420>anyone know how to fix error Error unlocking /dev/sdc1: The function 'bd_crypto_luks_open_blob' called, but not implemented on kali
18:10<teatime>!kali
18:10<dpkg>Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html
18:10<kaliuser420>thank u
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18:24<Guest3142>need help with parrot
18:25<annadane>!parrot
18:25<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
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18:26<Guest3142>Humans here?
18:27<somiaj>The humans here, are here to support debian not parrot. The bot contains the info you need to get support for parrot os
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18:27<Guest3142>thank you
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18:28<ryouma>15:35 <teatime> prixtis: I am hard-pressed to think of what could possibly cause your asymetrical transfer issue, except perhaps you once configured QoS and have forgotten about it; it would be a typical configuration to limit upload to just below your internet connection's upload speed. -- is there any tool in debian that can do this configuration periodically by testing the upload speed? my issue is that if i upl
18:28<ryouma>oad anything (and i don't care if it is slow), i can't use firefox.
18:29<ryouma>i wish i could just "internet nice" the upload process
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18:31<somiaj>Guest3142: Please ask questions in the channel, and as mentioned this is for supporting debian, not parrot. I don't want to assume that my answer would work on parrot.
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18:31<somiaj>Guest3142: there is ##linux on irc.freenode.net that will answer basic linux questions if that is what you are looking for.
18:32<Guest3142>you are king. thank you for your answers
18:32<Guest3142>*kind
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18:33<fortranwarror>hi
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18:36<teatime>ryouma: you want to do it on your router
18:36<fortranwarror>its a little offtopic for this channel, but does anyone know if the intel me can be remotely controlled through an non-intel network card/chip?
18:36<teatime>ryouma: and unfortunately configuring it on *nix is annoyingly over-difficult.
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18:36<teatime>on linux I mean
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18:37<somiaj>fortranwarror: I don't know. I wonder if ##hardware on irc.freenode.net would be able to answer that (though wait a little longer for an answer here)
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18:41<fortranwarror>ok thx i will wait a .ktt
18:41<fortranwarror>a little i mean
18:42<teatime>ryouma: you can't get the full benefit of QoS without ISP cooperation, also.
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18:42<teatime>ryouma: but it can help w/ a lot of stuff, including somewhat w/ your issue, just to do queuing on what you send
18:42*teatime *poof*
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19:00<ghost8>Hello! Can anyone give me some advice on how to better maintain my system. What command is better to use: aptitude safe-upgrade or aptitude full-upgrade?
19:00<somiaj>ghost8: in debian stable safe-upgrade should work for most things. full-upgrade is to go from oldstable -> stable
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19:04<ryouma>doesn't the upgrade manual recommend apt-get?
19:05<ghost8>@somiaj, thanks you very much :) sorry, I don't know how post an answer directly you, I'm new to irc thingy.
19:07<somiaj>if you mention my nick, I will be higlhigted ghost8, so that is the standard way to adress people in the channel.
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19:08<somiaj>ghost8: the diffrence is actually how it handels conflicts. safe-upgrade won't remove packages to install new packages, full-upgrade will. In stable there should be no reason to remove a package during the upgrade.
19:08<somiaj>this is not true going from oldstable -> stable (though most of the current release suggest you use apt-get over aptitude for this)
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19:10<ghost8>somiaj, you mean meantion like I did now or do I have to put some symbol at the or at the beginning of your nick?
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19:11<somiaj>ghost8: my irc client (and most) will hilight any sentence that has 'somiaj' in it, with or without special characters attached.
19:12<somiaj>ghost8: of you type 'so<tab>' it should tab complete to my name, most clients will add a : at the end, like my messages, but this is just due to tab completion.
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19:12<somiaj>ghost8: so both your @somiaj and somiaj hilighted me
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19:13<ghost8>somiaj, Oh, thank goodness, because I was worried I did something wrong. Thanks for the explanation. :)
19:15<somiaj>nope, you are just fine. Some basic irc edicutte: 1) don't /msg people without asking (though do /msg bots). 2) ask questions to the channel and not indviduials.
19:16<somiaj>well I mean when first asking a new question, follow up questions can be directed at an indviduial
19:17<ghost8>‎somiaj‎: Ok, thank you. I got it.
19:18<ghost8>somiaj: but just to safe, will it be good to run full-upgrade instead of safe-upgrade, or should I run apt-get upgrade? By the way, what about the new apt tool: apt upgrade? Is it acceptable as well?
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19:20<somiaj>ghost8: safe-upgrade should be sufficent, but using full-upgrade won't break anything.
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19:21<somiaj>ghost8: one note, this is related to your sources.list. I'm assuming that the only thing you have in your sources.list are lines for debian stable. If you hvae a more complicated sources.list, pay attention to the difference between the two (also in man aptitude) that I jus described (about allowing aptitude to remove packages or not)
19:21<somiaj>ghost8: new tool, apt upgrade is equivlant to aptitude safe-upgrade (with slightly different logic behind it), and apt dist-upgrade, would be aptitude full-upgrade.
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19:22<teatime>ghost8: most important thing is read and understand what it's offering to do before you hit 'y'
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19:26<ghost8>Thank you, wonderful people. :) I'm really sorry that I haven't yet read on how to get my sources.list right. If, e.g. I wan't only one package from unstable branch and the rest are in stable, should I somehow update that packgage individually?
19:27<somiaj>!don't break debian
19:27<dpkg>[dont break debian] https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian
19:27<sney>that's what backports is for
19:27<somiaj>ghost8: read that, and don't install unstable packages in stable. You are entering a world of pain. Follow sney advise and use backports (sometimes you have to create your own)
19:27<fortranwarror>it is not good to mix packages in general
19:27<sney>stable and unstable do not mix as a rule, and upgrading "one package" is basically impossible except in very special cases because of dependencies
19:28<ghost8>sorry, I meant testing branch.
19:28<ghost8>I'm a total noob, gee.
19:29<sney>same answer
19:29<ghost8>‎somiaj‎: thank you, I'll read that later.
19:29<sney>testing and unstable are very closely related
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19:29<ghost8>‎sney‎: oh, great... I'll have to think about this.
19:30<somiaj>ghost8: part of what makes stable, stable, is being a frozen well tested system. To keep it stable, you need to install only packages from stable. There are ways to get newer stuff in to stable, and installing packages from testing/unstable/random source is not one of them.
19:30<annadane>https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian#Some_safer_ways_to_install_software_not_available_in_Debian_Stable
19:30<somiaj>sometimes this is refered to as the 'debian way'. But that link I gave lists the common things to avoid (which unforntually the internet is full of bad advise on these) to keep debian stable working nicely.
19:30<fortranwarror>often you can install packages from the backports repository though
19:31<somiaj>many times debian now provides backports for you, which is nice.
19:31<annadane>though backports is a volunteer effort
19:31<annadane>(of course debian itself is a "volunteer effort" but yeah)
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19:32<mnuhmnuh>and /usr/local is your friend, though then it's *all* up to you. research.
19:32<ghost8>Ok. Backports. Got it. :) Thanks. Will the update still be the same with backported packages?
19:33<ghost8>‎somiaj‎ & ‎annadane‎: your link is super cool :)
19:34<annadane>for updates between stable releases you need to remove backports from your sources.list
19:34<annadane>because backports are the next stable release anyway
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19:35<somiaj>ghost8: backport package sprovided by debian and the repo are nicely made so there shouldn't be an issue. Custom made backports or third party out side of debian can depend on how well the package was made to integrate with debian stable.
19:35<ghost8>‎annadane‎: Oh, but it will be a long time until the next stable release is up if I understand the life cycle correctly.
19:35<annadane>and the issues somiaj mentioned are generally in the release notes
19:36<annadane>yes, probably around... a year and a half until buster becomes stable
19:36<annadane>but there's no set date
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19:36<ghost8>‎annadane‎: that I know, thankfully.
19:37<ghost8>It's just my head is spinning with the amount of information on the Web, I'll just have to sit and read official manuals and listen to your advices.
19:39<somiaj>the debian communit on irc is really active (and the freenode channel is even more active) so if you have a question, you can get answers fairly quickly (for standard debian stuff)
19:39<annadane>yeah, if you're interested in some reading there's https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/index.html (out of date, still refers to jessie) and https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ (quite up to date as a rule, even attempts to track unstable AFAIK) and of course the release notes for debian 9 (which you may use for now to correlate the departures from the handbook until it's updated)
19:39<annadane>https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/
19:40<annadane>the administrator handbook is generally still accurate in terms of broad overview
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19:40<somiaj>https://debian-handbook.info/ -- yea that is a good book to read
19:41<annadane>it's certainly more beginner oriented than the reference manual though of course that's why it's called reference
19:41<ghost8>wow. I copied all the links and will bookmark them now lol. a big 'thank you' to all of you :)
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19:52<mnuhmnuh>https://debian-handbook.info/ looks fugly in w3m. braindump, horribly formatted, paragraph breaks, what're those?
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19:55<mnuhmnuh>qupzilla fixes that.
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20:18<sigimac>I saw a post in here yesterday that I was interested in, !aptitude clone
20:19<sigimac>I think dkpg bot pasted it
20:19<sigimac>!aptitude clone I think
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20:19<annadane>!aptitude clone
20:19<dpkg>To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search --disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>.
20:20<sigimac>ahh! cool
20:20<sigimac>thanks
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20:44<sdk>annadane: Wow I didn't know about that apt-clone thing! Very useful.
20:44<annadane>useful but i tend to just wipe everything anyway :P
20:45<annadane>because often i have configurations i no longer need
20:45<sdk>Eheh same even if I try to keep my Debian clean...
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20:48<sigimac>annadane: yeah I do the same... but good information to know
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20:48<sigimac>I at least like the print out of packages that way I can at least remember ones that I really liked/need
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21:03<somiaj>!aptitude clone
21:03<dpkg>To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search --disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>.
21:03<somiaj>sigimac: ^^ -- I like that method myself
21:04<somiaj>oh sorry, should have paged up. You said apt-clone which is not the same thing as aptitude clone
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22:41<jimpop>omg slapd is a huge pain in the ass. Geeze.
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23:41<bbb>howdoyoudo?
23:43<bbb>what about screen resolution in nvidia 304xx driver? i asked yesterday and you did not suggest me anything, i reinstalled debian 8 and got 320x200 and 640x480 and ALL!
23:44<bbb>i added modeline to xorg.conf and nothing changed:-(
23:44<bbb>why it so shitty?
23:46<bbb>why i need to have a skill 'driver programmer' to be debian user?
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23:48<bbb>bb, i never suggest anyone to use linux indeed)
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23:53<annadane>!next
23:53<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
23:54<that_one_guy_79812>;-)
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23:56<sigimac>lol
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23:57<sigimac>I wonder if he's from the better business bureau
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