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#debian IRC Logs for 2018-02-01

---Logopened Thu Feb 01 00:00:13 2018
00:01<awal1>why command prompt (machine name and hostname) are colored if in bashrc I see #force_color_prompt=yes
00:01<awal1>?
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00:02<awal1>parameter commented , I mean
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00:11<jcrain>awal1: what is $TERM set to? could be because your $TERM is 'xterm-color' or ends with '*-256color'.
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00:13<awal1>jcrain, not stable machine, a fresh sid vm
00:13<awal1>I see # set a fancy prompt (non-color, unless we know we "want" color)
00:13<awal1>case "$TERM" in
00:13<awal1>xterm-color*-256color) color_prompt=yes;;
00:13<awal1>esac
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00:15<jcrain>awal1: right, so you get a color prompt if your $TERM matches
00:16<awal1>jcrain, ok; thanks; I haven't noticied that exact line
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00:17<awal1>i guess commenting that line ( xterm-color|*-256color) color_prompt=yes;; ) or all that section will be fine if I won't uncolored prompt
00:18<awal1>too much bash stuff to learn; not sure about priorities :D :P
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04:07<Baltazar>Hello to all!
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04:08<Baltazar>Hey... I have an odd problem with my nettop's (now in a SNES case) UEFI...
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04:09<Baltazar>I installed a couple of linuxes and have ended up with the same issue of not getting the system to boot...
04:10<Baltazar>Both installs install as UEFI and not as legacy... and I only have one system at a time on the machine...
04:10<Anarka>does debian installer detect UEFI ? it should show direcly on boot
04:11<Anarka>oops
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04:12<Baltazar>to cut to the current stage in my dilema I have manage to find that I can view the entries in the UEFI of the POS of a machine (it is a clone, no name nettop) with efibootmgr
04:13<Baltazar>and indeed... I only see the 3 miserable options... only one works (the one for setup, which is the bios)
04:13<Baltazar>The other 2 do Jack$#!^
04:14<Baltazar>and there is no linux entry anyware... just the devices to boot (USB, ATA etc...)
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04:15<Anarka>i dont know much about UEFI, tbh was forced recently to actually used it, but it seems youre using syslinux ?
04:15<Baltazar>how do I add my current linux to the UEFI... it seems the installations faillled to do so.
04:16<Anarka>grub does not need to edit any bios menu, syslinux needs
04:16<Baltazar>how could I make sure if what am using is syslinux?
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04:17<Baltazar>I got the lattest antiX 64 bit installed and am currently running live...
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04:18<jm_>note that we don't handle antix here
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04:18<Baltazar>also... this machine won't go in to legacy mode easily since whenever I disable UEFI it reverts back to it
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04:19<Baltazar>on next boot
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04:19<Baltazar>and the systems will not offer options to install as legacy
04:20<isi_>perhaps have a look at refind bootloader ?!?
04:20<Baltazar>how?
04:20<Baltazar>is that a command
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04:20<Baltazar>will it allow me to add to the EFI boot loader?
04:21<isi_>http://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/
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04:23<Baltazar>will look at it... thanks
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04:24<Baltazar>by the way... this is what I get with the efibootmgr command:
04:24<Baltazar>BootCurrent: 0006
04:24<Baltazar>Timeout: 0 seconds
04:24<Baltazar>BootOrder: 0003,0006,0005,0004,0007,0008,000A,000B
04:24<Baltazar>Boot0000 Setup
04:24<Baltazar>Boot0001 Boot Menu
04:24<Baltazar>Boot0002 Diagnostic Splash
04:24<Baltazar>Boot0003* USB CD:
04:24<Baltazar>Boot0004* ATAPI CD:
04:24<Baltazar>Boot0005* ATA HDD0:
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04:24<Baltazar>Boot0006* USB HDD:
04:24<Baltazar>Boot0007* USB FDD:
04:24<Baltazar>Boot0008* ATA HDD1:
04:24<Baltazar>Boot0009* CD-ROM:
04:24<Baltazar>Boot000A* Other HDD:
04:24<Baltazar>Boot000B* PCI LAN:
04:24<grove>!paste
04:24<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
04:25<Baltazar>ok
04:29<grummund>is there an xterm which will capture the session to a text file?
04:29<grummund>(without all the control codes and garbage that 'script' command saves)
04:30<isi_>tee ?!?
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04:31<grummund>isi_: to capture the command lines as well
04:31<grummund>maybe there is an xterm with this built in?
04:35<jm_>how would it know what you consider garbage?
04:35<grummund>anything that is not what the user sees
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04:37<grummund>i.e. desired behaviour is as if doing copy and paste from the terminal window.
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04:37<ghost_>hi guys
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04:38<ghost_>anyone knows the command line to install windows application on parrot security os
04:39<teatime>grummund: sure, various can, particularly in combination with the scrollback function, e.g. xterm can at least sorta https://lukas.zapletalovi.com/2013/07/hidden-gems-of-xterm.html#search-history
04:40<jm_>!parrot
04:40<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
04:40<teatime>then there's stuff just for making web/playable CLI 'screencasts'
04:41<teatime>grummund: https://asciinema.org/
04:41<grummund>teatime: thanks. hooking the terminal print function looks interesting
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04:45<teatime>urxvt is extensible in a similar way, and some of the graphical ones just have 'save scrollback as file' on a menu
04:45<teatime>or, tee
04:45<grummund>do you happen to know which have that feature?
04:46<teatime>I do not, off-hand.
04:46<grummund>never mind... "save scrollback" is enough to google on
04:46*grummund was struggling with that
04:47<grummund>getting google help on the "script" command is next to impossible
04:47<isi_>grummund: xfce4-terminal can do
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04:51<grummund>you mean 'select all' and 'paste'? actually, that serves the purpose well enough.
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05:15<Baltazar>Thanks for the help...
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05:23<killall>hello
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05:24<fortranwarror>hi
05:24<fortranwarror>+
05:25<fortranwarror>i think killall was removed from stretch
05:25<teatime>it's in the psmisc package; pgrep and pkill are also nice fyi
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05:26<fortranwarror>ah nice thanks
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05:27<teatime>fortranwarror: apt-file search bin/killall
05:27<fortranwarror>i was to dumb to use that before for some reason , i just did
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05:28<fortranwarror>dpkg should have a command to say 'apt-file search is your friend.'
05:28<dpkg>fortranwarror: what are you talking about?
05:28<fortranwarror>you should have a command to say 'apt-file search is your friend.'
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05:31<fortranwarror>what do you think about that, dpkg?
05:32<fortranwarror>i just saw i just never confuse killall and killall5
05:32<fortranwarror>*should never
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05:46<jm_>fortranwarror: apt-cache show command-not-found
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05:54<petn-randall>fortranwarror: dpkg is a bot in here.
05:54<petn-randall>dpkg: are you a bot?
05:54<dpkg>I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
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06:03<shmup>in order to use tls with movemail, do you need to install gnutls or something similar?
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06:11<jm_>shmup: mailutils alread has a dependency : libgnutls30
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06:16<shmup>jm_: yes, i noticed that. trouble is, when attempting to use rmail-movemail-flags in my ~/.emacs file to “--tls”, movemail reports that it doesn't support "--tls"?
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06:27<jm_>shmup: well yes, it doesn't know about that option
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07:36<Sue>We want to update Debian on non-networked computer. How can we do so?
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07:38<Anarka>aptzip ? never used it
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07:40<Anarka>apt-offline seems to also do that
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07:47<petn-randall>Sue: You can also use the point release images to update the machine.
07:47<petn-randall>Sue: Depends on how up-to-date you want to have the machine.
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09:01<Sue>petn-randall, thanks. How to use release image to update? How to download the images? Can you send me a link?
09:02<teatime>there's a relevant factoid too..
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09:10<Maarten_>i need to fix something on my new android phone, and it errors with need adb 1.0.32 or newer, i now have Jessie with adb 1.0.31 ... and i have backport enabled.. my question is, how to find if and which package contains i need to install to get adb 1.0.32 version?
09:10<duncan>apt-cache search adb
09:11<duncan>should give you the most recent ADB version
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09:11<duncan>note you're using oldstable, which won't have security fixes for much longer. Stretch has a newer ADB version and more android tools.
09:11<duncan>also, it's possible that adb isn't provided in backports.
09:12<duncan>You can do more advanced searches at http://packages.debian.org
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09:12<petn-randall>Sue: There's not much to it. You download and burn those images, then add them to the system with apt-cdrom. I don't remember the details, but the man page should be enough to get you going.
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09:17<Maarten_>duncan: when i type apt-cache search adb, im getting a big list, it includes "android-tools-adb - Android Debug Bridge CLI tool" which i know contains adb, but it does not give latest available version number..
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09:18<Sue>petn-randall, thanks. We might not be able to use the removable media on the VM’s. So can we download those images or zip files on another system and send the images/zip files to the VM to unzip? What is the link to download these images/zip files?
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09:20<duncan>Maarten_: android-tools-adb has become the adb package.
09:20<duncan>There is no backport tp Jessie.
09:21<duncan>Upgrade to Stretch if you want a newer version, or manually install it from Google/source code
09:21<Maarten_>ah oke thanks, any change their will come a backport or are there come compatibility isues?
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09:21<Maarten_>oh i can install from source? ok i will try..
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09:21<dylan>WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESH CA VA OU QUOI???????????????
09:22<dylan>how can i apt'get a new kernel? :/
09:22<duncan>Maarten_: You really should upgrade to Stretch
09:22<duncan>Maarten_: Very soon, Jessie will no longer have full security suppirt
09:22<duncan>support*
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09:24<SSMMDD>salut salut
09:24<duncan>!fr
09:24<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
09:24<debProUser>bonjour koment sa va?
09:24<debProUser>!fr
09:24<dpkg>Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr.
09:24<duncan>debProUser: That's not how you spell comment or ça :/
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09:25<sdk>duncan: grammar nazi :P
09:25<debProUser>je ssui pa 1 nazi
09:25<duncan>sdk: er no, it sounds like they're making fun of them.
09:25<SSMMDD>how can I integrate debian into my car, to control my wheels ?
09:26<duncan>Buy a car running Debian.
09:26<debProUser>I have a debian car !
09:26<duncan>Please stop trolling.
09:26<sdk>duncan: I was kidding ;)
09:26<Maarten_>duncan: well i understand but i really don't want to... in every new version of debian more and more apps do not support GTK2+/mate because they are taken hostage by gtk3 so i guess that for many years to come i will be stuck with Jessie...
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09:27<duncan>Maarten_: Mate is fully supported in Debian Stretch.
09:27<duncan>Maarten_: Mate added GTK3 theme support
09:27<Sue>Is there a doc how how to update Debian offline?
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09:27<petn-randall>Sue: You can simply use the current CDs/DVDs to update them: https://www.debian.org/CD/
09:28<petn-randall>Sue: Just mount them on the system and use apt-cdrom to scan them.
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09:29<petn-randall>Sue: apt-zip is a completely separate method that involves more back and forth. It would allow you to have more up-to-date systems and save a little download time, at the cost of having more work.
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09:55<DrZaius>should the orig.tar.gz and upstream tar.gz have the same checksum?
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10:05<StucKman>https://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/ gives me this url: apt:adobe-flashplugin?channel=$distro-partner what do I must install to process such URLs?
10:05<jcrain>DrZaius: probably yes but there are various reasons they might not. maybe the tarball had to be repackaged to remove non-free files.
10:06<StucKman>or is that a ubuntu only thinguie?
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10:13<DrZaius>jcrain, kinda sucks, id like to check electrum wallet, and doesnt seem to match :/ https://download.electrum.org/3.0.5/Electrum-3.0.5.tar.gz
10:13<DrZaius>maybe unpacking and checksuming individual files will do the trick
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10:15<Sue>petn-randall, thanks much! Our customers want to update offline without using the removable media on the VM’s . Do you have instructions/doc/link how to do so? Thanks.
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10:19<blast007>Sue: so what update methods *will* they allow?
10:19<grove>Sue: So what will they accept? They will to accept something to get updates, they don't just magically appar on their systems
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10:20<grove>s/will to/will need to/ and s/appar/appear/
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10:24<Sue>blast007, grove , their system are not connected to internet due to security reasons. So they want to update/upgrade offline line which means they would like to download the images on another system connected to network and send the image to the non-network system to update/upgrade. So I wonder if we can download a package in zip file and unzip/install on the non-network system? Thanks.
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10:25<blast007>Sue: how is that more secure than just mounting an ISO file to a VM?
10:26<grove>But how do they send the images to the non-networked system? It doesn't have network and you said they didn't want to use removeable media
10:28<Sue>blast007, grove, thanks. this is their question "We might not be able to use the removable media on the VM’s "?
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10:30<blast007>when they're talking about "removable media", are they talking about actual burned DVDs?
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10:31<grove>But then you should return to them with the question of what will be possible, because when two people (blast007 and myself) respond both with basically the same question, it's because it's beginning to sound impossible
10:32<blast007>not necessarily impossible, but certainly needlessly complicated
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10:33<blast007>if the VMs have a virtual CD device added, you should be able to just mount an ISO file from the hypervisor
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10:35<blast007>otherwise you could probably toss the ISO files on an NFS share, mount the NFS share on the servers, mount the ISOs as a loop device, and use apt-cdrom
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10:36<blast007>note that you still wouldn't be 100% updated just by using the ISOs - there's going to have been security updates released since the last point release
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10:39<Brigo>sue how are you going to send the files to the non-network server?
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10:41<Sue>blast007, yes, they talk about burned DVDs when they are talking about "removable media".
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10:42<blast007>with VMWare and HyperV (and probably every other hypervisor) you can just attach an ISO
10:42<Brigo>and virtualbox
10:42<blast007>with VMWare, I just copy the ISO to the datastore and attach it to the VM
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10:43<Brigo>you just have to download and burn a new dvd in each stable update.
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10:44<Sue>blast007, that is my question. How to update Debian with security updates using ISOs?
10:44<blast007>you don't
10:44<blast007>if you want the latest updates, you have to get them from the mirrors, not the ISOs
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10:44<Brigo>if you have no network it is not that important.
10:45<blast007>it sounds like the servers are networked, but they're not connected to the Internet
10:45<Brigo>even so.
10:46<Brigo>there is a mechanisim in apt-get: --print-uris that allow you do that with some scripting.
10:46<blast007>we don't know if there are untrusted clients on the same network, so it may still be important to have security updates :)
10:47<grove>If the machine is non-networked a lot of the security updates are probably irrelevant anyway, but for the updates you do want (fixes for local priviledge escalation comes to mind) I would download the .deb's and copy them to the machine using some removable media, and cd's/dvd's is proably a waste of space, but if that is what the security policy allows, that's what ou have to use
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10:48<teatime>dpkg: tell Sue about apt offline
10:48<Brigo>grove, i agree and that is --print-uris for.
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10:49<Brigo>apt-offline even hava a gui :)
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10:51<Brigo>i can't find apt-zip or apt-walkabout in the repo.
10:51<Brigo>they arent
10:54<Sue>grove, blast007, thanks. What is the link to mirror? I want download the security updates and ISO in one system connected to network and load it to the system that is not connected to internet and install the updates?
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10:56<Brigo>Sue, have you read about apt-offline?
10:59<Sue>Brigo, is this good link about apt-offline? https://blog.sleeplessbeastie.eu/2014/01/30/how-to-manage-packages-on-an-off-line-debian-system/
11:00<Brigo>Sue, not sure, read this one too: https://debian-administration.org/article/648/Offline_Package_Management_for_APT
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11:05<Sue>Brigo, excellent! That is exact what I want. Thanks so much!
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11:05<Brigo>Sue, tell teatime :)
11:06<teatime>I guess one of the first steps / things I'd want that would be useful
11:07<teatime>would be the ability to 'apt update' offline
11:07<teatime>I have never really had to do this for Debian, though. it works really excellently on-line :)
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11:15<jhutchins_wk>!apt offline
11:15<dpkg>To use apt on a machine that doesn't have a network connection (if you have a separate machine that does have a network connection), read http://bit.ly/1UYVX5g . Ask me about <apt-zip>, <apt-walkabout>.
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11:20<teatime>indeed.
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11:35<Vaan>Hi everyone
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11:39<joshb_>teatime, hi good to see you. Perhaps you remember the Aspire One b43 driver episode here, you helped me with. Unfortunately things seem rather unstable. You mentioned another driver could be better then the broadcom-sta-dkms package ? It seems though I might be better off buying the ASUS Wireless-N150 Wi-Fi adapter - USB-N10 Nano, given the instability of this broadcom network card software support under Linux.
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11:40<Vaan>I want to replace Windows 10 by Debian stretch on my new laptop (empty). If I well understand, separate /usr or /opt partitions isn't useful for keep my softwares datas safe, secure, without any remove ?
11:41<Vaan>I mean when the future upgrade to debian 10 will arrive.
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11:42<petn-randall>Vaan: No, IMHO it's only useful to split /home and /, which makes it a little easier for backup purposes.
11:42<petn-randall>Vaan: Any other split doesn't really gain anything on a desktop system.
11:42<petn-randall>Vaan: I'd use LVM so you can easily snapshot the filesystems for backup purposes.
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11:43<tda>How do I tell if cron is running a job when there is no email? does it log somewhere?
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11:45<petn-randall>tda: I'd check /var/log/, probably daemon.log or syslog.
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11:47<tda>i found a line in syslog, so i guess it ran? but no email. where would that be set?
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11:48<petn-randall>tda: By default it goes to root. But that only works if you actually have a MTA properly set up.
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11:49<somiaj>tda: does your job produce any output?
11:49<somiaj>and at least on my system, I only get emails when the job fails.
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11:52<tda>there's output. i'll check the mta. thanks
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11:59<Vaan>Petn : Thanks for your answer. Why so we recommend to separate /usr for servers ? A partitionned system isn't more "clean" ?
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12:01<Vaan>I understand /tmp and /var for not block the root if problems there are. And on a desktop system, it not really usefull yes.
12:01<somiaj>Vaan: some recommendations are due to older technology and disk space. Others are due to wanting to seperate read-only from read-write file systems.
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12:02<somiaj>Vaan: you may want to have / be read only, but then may need /var or /usr read-write
12:02<somiaj>(though using / read-only does complicated upgrades, you have to manually mount read-write to preform one)
12:03<somiaj>Vaan: but the whole /bin vs /usr/bin was due to disk size limitations a long time ago. There is now a push for a 'usrmerge' package to make those the same directory with a link.
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12:10<Vaan>somiaj : thanks for this explication. Furthermore, partition the system is maybe more complicated for eventual future problems, or even for the future up grade maybe ? So, if I gain anything ...
12:11<somiaj>Vaan: Also consider network file systems, and backups, data storage, etc. In complicated server setups there are all sorts of reasons why you may want to split things up more fine grained. But on modern hardware the reasons are not as big as they use to be.
12:11<Vaan>uh, nothing sorry. If i gain nothing.
12:11<somiaj>Vaan: but in the end, on a desktop system I see little gained from having more than /home and /boot (if using encyrpted system) as sdeperate partitions.
12:12<somiaj>so partitions is part of the design scheme of your whole network/system....which isn't much of a concern to a desktop users. Windows does just fine with single C:\\ partition.
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12:13<teatime>somiaj: pretty much. I still throw LVM into the stack though.
12:13<somiaj>but for a desktop system I too suggest /home and maybe /boot as the only seperate partitions. Almost all of your data and configuration is done in $HOME, so if for whatever reason you need to reinstall, just wipe out root, reinstall debian and your packages and you are back to a similar setup.
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12:14<somiaj>teatime: I should really learn lvm, but for my usage, it is just another layer to get in my way. (though I should really start using snapshots for backups, but rsync scripts work just fine)
12:14<teatime>somiaj: I'm pretty surprised to hear you don't use / know it
12:15<teatime>I really like how the generic disk mapper thingies work, very intuitive really
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12:15<teatime>a LUKS volume consumes a block devices, and presents a block device
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12:16<teatime>LVM PV consumes a block device. VGs are made up of PVs. LVs are allocated from VGs. LVM LV presents a block device
12:16<somiaj>teatime: Just have never took a plunge. As a desktop hobbiest, I saw no reason to change what was already working for me. Though I do need to learn these tools better.
12:16<teatime>gpt is pretty nice but msdos disklabel gets annoying fast
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12:16<teatime>with future expansion etc.
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12:18<teatime>somiaj: how I'd normally do full disk encryption is a /boot (soon to be or already not necessary), rest of (available) disk space is a partition, which becomes an encrypted volume, which on top of is an LVM PV, and so my / and /home and swap LVs are all part of the 'full disk encryption'
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12:18<teatime>or you can flip that structure upside down, w/ a cleartext LVM PV on the bottom, and perhaps only *some* LVs are individually crypted instead :)
12:19<somiaj>teatime: It is on my todo list to move my system that way, but just haven't gotten around to it. I have a few vms setup trying to better learn the tools before I take the plunge, but seems to always get pushed down the road.
12:19<teatime>sure, sure. just singing the praises ;)
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12:26<teatime>somiaj: http://termbin.com/h9bq for example
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12:26<Vaan>Ok. /boot is usefull for ? I was thinking that is for when we have many partitions
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12:31<teatime>Vaan: for making your kernel and initrd/initramfs and bootloader (grub2) config easily available to a bootloader etc. that may not support your / for some reason, be it exotic filesystem, encryption, BIOS limitations
12:31<teatime>it never breaks anything and is sometimes necessary
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12:32<teatime>for VMs etc., tho, it's often nicest/easiest to have everything in one disk image, including perhaps a swap file, etc.
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12:35<Kdmeizk>Hello, I would like to completely encrypt the OS (Debian 9) in order that it is undetectable by others (so a “normal” GRUB will not find it for example, because the OS/related partitions are encrypted). In addition, I would like to not work with a passphrase to decrypt but with a keyfile in a USB key for example. I have already found some information but, by asking here, I would like to hope there are more user-friendly methods. Thank you
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12:38<teatime>Kdmeizk: you want "plausible deniability"?
12:39<Vaan>sorry I was thinking that is for when we have many DISTRIBUTIONS lol
12:40<teatime>Vaan: perhaps that too
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12:44<Guest2886>Kdmeizk: what's wrong with Luke and keeping a bootloader on a CD? Someone looking could see an encrypted partition but that's all
12:45<Guest2886>*luks
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12:47<Vaan>So, on a 1To disk : /boot (primary) 500Mo ; / (primary) 100Go ; swap (more than RAM 4Go) 6Go ; /home (logical) the rest (maybe I keep space for eventual other distribution)
12:48<Vaan>You think it's good ?
12:48<teatime>yeah, sure
12:48<Kdmeizk>teatime: I assume it is a consequence of what I am asking. It is “simply” for a personal use case, against computer scientist thieves for example.
12:48<teatime>there are some automatic/default layouts along those lines in the installer
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12:49<teatime>Kdmeizk: there's not all the polish and finish done w/ things like plausibly-deniable containers or keyfiles / keydevices. you can find bits and pieces and scripts and stuff and learn about the low-level tools and facilities and how to customize how things fit together
12:50<teatime>Kdmeizk: for personal use, normal LUKS is really awesome and sufficient
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13:05<Kdmeizk>teatime: Ok, it is probably what @Guest2886 said.
13:05<Kdmeizk>Guest2886: That seems enough yes. From what I understand, it works like a keyfile to decrypt. Without the CD/USB key, I cannot boot, right?
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13:06<teatime>my advice is just use a long, secure pass phrase, and use the normal LUKS on-disk format
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13:09<Kdmeizk>I would like to avoid using a passphrase, something like a keyfile would help me a lot.
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13:14<nodiscc>https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Dm-crypt/System_configuration#cryptkey
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13:17<Vaan>Is it a good idea by keep an empty space memory between the root and swap or between the swap and the /home, for an eventual future other distribution ?
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13:18<chomwitt>trying to write an iso on a usb flash i tried : dd if=kubuntu-17.04-desktop-amd64.iso | pv -s 1G | dd of=/dev/sdc bs=4096 ..but i got 'cant open /dev/sdc . if i try without the pipeline to 'pv' it works ok
13:19<mtn>Vaan: if you want to add another distro, you will obviously need space for it on the hard drive
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13:20<jhutchins_wk>Vaan: Doesn't really matter where at today's seek rates.
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13:21<jhutchins_wk>chomwitt: What are you trying to do by piping it through pv?
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13:29<Kdmeizk>nodiscc: What? I just have to “register” the keyfile in Debian, then add this parameter in GRUB? No need scripts or similar?
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13:49<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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13:59<jos_hab>If anyone wants to maintain / develop further a democracy voting package which is already on the to-be GNU list and published and tested, let me know. It's written in C and Zsh and has a lot of flexibility, well documented (if I may say so) but can use a GUI and stuff like that.
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14:03<Echoz>jos_hab: that sounds like an interesting project. what is it called?
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14:04<jos_hab>Echoz, thank you, yes i think it is very interesting and I can tell you a fun story about political parties regarding it too. It is called "sede - secure democracy" it was in Brave GNU World in 2003 in Linux Magazine. I have the stuffs on my personal website, and noticed (to my relief!) it still compiles without fail on Debian 8 (probably on 9 too).
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14:08<jos_hab>I was informed way back when, it was on the GNU list as 'the' democracy solution, but no maintainer could then be found, and I thought that someone else should work on it because ... it isn't really democratic if one person does it all entirely, right ? I was also out of energy / time and such, it was a ton of work to make up to that point. https://socialism.nl/sede/
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14:17<fortranwarror>hi
14:17<Echoz>jos_hab: unfortunately i have no experience nor really time to maintain packages, but I find the project very interesting. currently reading about it on your website.
14:18<fortranwarror>can i get a ethernet card with the RTL8169SC chip running under debian?
14:18<jos_hab>Echoz, okay that is great to hear that you find democracy interesting ! Maybe you can spread the word somewhere. I figure it can even be put in a .deb package as it is, which could in turn attract a maintainer / developer(s). thank you for your interest Echoz I really appreciate that !
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14:21<tda>fortranwarror: looks like it chould be ok but you need the firmware from non-free http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=130138
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14:22<fortranwarror>ah, thanks, i'll try that
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17:13*mnuhmnuh boom, shakalaka
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17:28<Baltazar>how can I force antiX 17 64 bits to install as legacy bios (note, bios will not disable UEFI but has legacy enable)
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17:29<Baltazar>the install with UEFI will not boot... the entry that gets added to the UEFI only shows at install time... on reboot it is gone...
17:29<towo`>this is #debian, not #antix
17:30<Baltazar>mmm
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17:30<Baltazar>well... latter then
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17:33<Baltazar>... is there an antix channel?
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17:33<towo`>does google not work for you?
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17:34<towo`>Baltazar, http://bfy.tw/GNTG
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17:37<Baltazar>... thank you... had not realize I had to change networks
17:38<Baltazar>... so... how would I get debian to install as legacy if it insist on installing as UEFI?
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17:43<Baltazar>I have installed a couple of linuxes and I get the same issue, UEFI entries don't stay after reboot...
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17:43<Baltazar>Bios has legacy enabled but it wont disable UEFI
17:43<Baltazar>any way to force a legacy install?
17:44<Baltazar>installers insist on using UEFI
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17:46<Vaan>I have a very beginner question. For all the distributions based on debian, are there softwares that are available only on 1 distribution ? Or the distributions based on debian are just particular groupings of softwares ?
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17:47<TobiX>Vaan: What you are describing is a "Pure Blend" in Debian
17:47<TobiX>dpkg: pure blend
17:47<dpkg>A Debian Pure Blend (formerly Custom Debian Distribution) is a subset of Debian configured to support a particular target group out-of-the-box. Not to be confused with distributions <based on Debian>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPureBlends http://blends.debian.org/ #debian-blends on irc.oftc.net.
17:48<TobiX>Vaan: Most distributions based on Debian use a subset or superset of the Debian package repository
17:48<TobiX>dpkg: based on debian
17:48<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
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17:52<TobiX>Vaan: For example, Ubuntu has its own package repository, while Linux Mint Debian Edition (AFAIR) uses the main Debian repository and adds their own packages on top
17:53<Vaan>I have not other distribution. I want to instal debian stretch but I try to understand.
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17:55<fortranwarror>i hope that my new non-intel network card will make it impossible to control the intel me of my pc remotely. is this hope justified?
17:57<Vaan>it 's more complicated I was thinking :)
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17:58<fullmetal>Lul
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18:00<znoteer_>how do you delete an appointment in evolution? Help says to right click the appointment then choose Delete from the menu. When I right-click the Delete option does not appear in the menu. The other option is to select the appointment my clicking on it, then clicking on the shredder button in the toolbar. That button stays greyed out when I select the appointment that I want to delete. Can anyone
18:00<znoteer_>tell me how to proceed?
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18:03<andy>@znoteer_, have you tried ctrl-D?
18:04<andy>znoteer_, have you tried ctrl-D?
18:04<znoteer_>yes, I have, to no effect
18:04<znoteer_>andy ^^^
18:05<ais-admin>'Del' key on the keyboard?
18:05<znoteer_>ais-admin: just tried. Doesn't work. :(
18:05<andy>Were these appointments synced from a google calendar account?
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18:06<znoteer_>andy, no google calendars here. I'm connecting to Radicale on a local server
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18:07<znoteer_>so, the calendar is "remote"
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18:09<ais-admin>good thinking andy - perhaps the user account on the radicale server is a read only account?
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18:10<znoteer_>ais-admin: if it were read only, I wouldn't be able to add appointments :/
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18:11<andy>hmm once they're added can you edit them?
18:11<znoteer_>andy: yes
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18:14<Vaan>Do you know if a swap partition is better in a primary or in a logical partition ? I think had seen is better in logical but...
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18:17<ksyd>znoteer_: Is there an option to click Edit and choose Delete Appointment?
18:18<andy>I can't think of a reason it would matter. You might be better off asking if what you're doing on your machine really requires the swap space.
18:20<Vaan>4Go RAM and I want to use video softwares
18:21<znoteer_>ksyd: There is Delete Appointment in the edit menu, but it's greyed out
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18:25<ais-admin>znoteer_: Is this a recurring appointment?
18:25<ksyd>znoteer_: Just in case you haven't read already this thread, here it is https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=890439
18:25<Vaan>And the starting of the extended partition (the last partition) ? At the middle of the disk ?
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18:29<znoteer_>ksyd, ais-admin: I hadn't seen that thread, and it is a recurring appointment, but they got changed for the month of February, so I want to delete the old ones
18:29<andy>Vaan have you looked at the wiki? https://wiki.debian.org/Swap
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18:31<Vaan>I think yes, but there is no answer of my question
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18:33<znoteer_>and I've already tried adding an exception for the two occurences of the recurring event that I want to remove. That didn't work either
18:35<andy>I have my swap space in an extended parition
18:35<andy>I believe that's default debian installer.
18:35<ksyd>znoteer_: Do the old occurences take too much space and that's why you want to delete them? If so, it seems that you'll have to remove all occurences first and then create your appointments anew.
18:36<ksyd>znoteer_: But I can be mistaken, so think what better works for you.
18:37<andy>Vaan, this answers some of your questions, I believe. https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/swap-primary-or-extended-548016/
18:38<Baltazar>is there a channel for issues with UEFI?
18:38<znoteer_>Looks like I might just leave things as they are. I wanted to remove them because it clutters up the calendar having invalid entries in it. But, I think it is not going to be worth the effort of trying to remove them. Thanks for your help, all
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18:39<ksyd>znoteer_: no problem :)
18:40<Vaan>andy, I admit that I have a lot search in subjects in my language (french) and not in english. A little sometimes. I had not seen this link, thanks.
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18:47<Vaan>Ok, no really importance. And you andy. What do you think about a partitionning /usr /opt (and maybe /tmp /var) ?
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18:57<Vaan>I have to go. See you soon ! :)
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19:57<keycollector>Does kernel 4.15 still need to come from source? or is it somewhere on a backport repo?Ive seen its been released now.I need it for vega support.
20:00<sney>,kernels
20:00<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.15.0-rc8-686 (4.15~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 4.14.0-3-686-pae (4.14.13-1); buster: 4.14.0-3-686-pae (4.14.13-1); stretch-backports: 4.14.0-0.bpo.3-686-pae (4.14.13-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-5-686 (4.9.65-3+deb9u2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (4.9.65-3+deb9u2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-5-686-pae (3.16.51-3+deb8u1); wheezy-backports:
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20:01<somiaj>keycollector: Any paticular reasion why 4.14 is not sufficent? It will be a littl while, backport kernels come after the kernel has made it through sid and into testing.
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20:02<keycollector>So i guess i need to fetch the source and comiple for 4.15? somiaj , I have two vega 64 cards and 4.15 is the earliest kernel to support the devices. Currently, on 4.9, i can only use 1/3 of my 49 inch monitor due to lack of support.
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20:03<somiaj>keycollector: that or wait until it comes into backports. But it will be a while, multiple weeks, maybe more.
20:04<sney>the 4.15 deb from experimental should install on >=jessie with dependencies satisfied, it seems. kernels are relatively self contained and linux-base and initramfs-tools are both high enough, at least from jessie-backports if not jessie directly
20:04<sney>but don't add experimental to sources.list, just download it from https://packages.debian.org/experimental/linux-image-4.15.0-rc8-amd64
20:05<sney>nb. because this is from experimental it may have other problems
20:05<somiaj>I always overlook that possiblity since, but yes kernels are one package that can be installed without a backport.
20:06<keycollector>alright, yeah thats what ill do. Ill fetch it from kernel.org though so i get the final release instead of a rc. Ill wrap it up in a .deb myself.
20:07<somiaj>keycollector: just use make deb-pkg
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20:08<keycollector>Yeah, i think thats the command im looking for. I belive there was a wiki for this on the debian website.
20:10<keycollector>Would i be better off downloading from kernel.org or from here? https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/linux
20:11<somiaj>keycollector: depends, do you want debian patches or not.
20:12<somiaj>keycollector: the later rc version might be close to the release that the binary could be a quick test, could alwasy build if that failed.
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20:16<keycollector>Ill just do the full build from kernel.org. I got some time to burn. Ill let ya know it works. I appreciate the help bud.
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21:42<sigimac>anyone know off hand of a debian 9 stretch stable Linux DVD images for 32-bit EFI Macs (late 2006 models)
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22:01<mnuhmnuh>https://www.debian.org/CD/
22:02<sigimac>mnuhmnuh: not what I'm looking for
22:03<mnuhmnuh>i've no idea what arch tag debian calls 32-bit EFI Macs (late 2006 models)
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22:03<sigimac>heh
22:04<sigimac>I'll compile my own
22:04<sigimac>it's 64bit but only can handle the 32bit boot
22:04<sigimac>can't have both 32 and 64 bit boot cause it confuses macs
22:04<sigimac>need the 32bit boot but 64bit system
22:04<sigimac>thanks though
22:05<teatime>"The last supported release for 32-bit PowerPC is Debian 8 ("jessie")."
22:05<teatime>oh, weird
22:05<sigimac>teatime: it's a late 2005 imac
22:05<teatime>assumed you meant you had a G4
22:05<sigimac>core2duo intel
22:05<sigimac>64bit
22:05<teatime>mnuhmnuh: it used to be called powerpc
22:05<teatime>sigimac: lol
22:05<sigimac>teatime: yeah this isn't a powerpc
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22:06<sigimac>I'm running mint on this iMac
22:06<mnuhmnuh>ppc64el?
22:06<sigimac>https://mattgadient.com/2016/07/11/linux-dvd-images-and-how-to-for-32-bit-efi-macs-late-2006-models/
22:06<sigimac>no its intel
22:06<sigimac>64bit
22:06<teatime>mnuhmnuh: that's 64-bit powerpc, G5 and later
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22:06<sigimac>heh
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22:07<teatime>sigimac: glad someone here (namely you) could find you some accurate info :)
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22:07<mnuhmnuh>teatime: he/it says 64 bit, but 32 bit boot.
22:08<mnuhmnuh>https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/ppc64el/jigdo-dvd/
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22:09*mnuhmnuh no offence intended he/it. :-|
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22:16<mnuhmnuh>,v ppc64el
22:16<judd>No package named 'ppc64el' was found in amd64.
22:17<teatime>mnuhmnuh: we are not even talking about the same things my man :)
22:17<mnuhmnuh>i'm playing/learing, no longer even trying to help.
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22:29<mnuhmnuh>sigimac: how old is the mint running on that thing?
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22:34<sigimac>mnuhmnuh: its the newest 18.3
22:34<sigimac>I've got everything working on it, even the iSight works perfectly but prefer Debian
22:35<sigimac>Machine: System: Apple product: iMac5 1 v: 1.0
22:35<sigimac> Mobo: Apple model: Mac-F4228EC8 v: DVT Bios: Apple v: IM51.88Z.0090.B09.0706270921 date: 06/27/07
22:35<sigimac>CPU: Dual core Intel Core2 T7400 (-MCP-) cache: 4096 KB flags: (lm nx sse sse2 sse3 ssse3 vmx) bmips: 8655
22:36<sigimac>was going to write a good howto for installing Debian Stretch and how to get iSight to work too.
22:39<sigimac>the only non-free that I need is the Broadcom BCM4321 driver and the iSight driver.
22:40<sigimac>kinda cool
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