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#debian IRC Logs for 2018-02-05

---Logopened Mon Feb 05 00:00:53 2018
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00:04-!-TigerbotHesh is "TigerbotHesh" on #tor #debian
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00:04-!-dboehmer is "Daniel B\xF6hmer,,," on #debian
00:05-!-TigerbotHesh is "TigerbotHesh" on #tor #debian
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00:09-!-gabriel1 is "Gab" on #ubuntu #tor #debian-it #debian
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04:28-!-ansel is "Andreas Seltenreich" on #debian
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07:16<nasd4>i dont get M-D , M- as an input in nano
07:16<nasd4>what key is it?
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07:16<nasd4>^O is ctrl no probs there
07:17<grawity>M- is emacs notation for "Meta"
07:17<grawity>which is usually the Alt key, although some terminals don't send it as expected by default
07:18<grawity>"M-D" would be either "Alt+D" or "Esc, D"
07:19<nasd4>it takes esc-D
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07:19<nasd4>vut nano doesnt close
07:20<nasd4>well i saved it i guess
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07:22<nasd4>nano confuses me, i typed : nano /path/file (/path/file didnt exist)
07:23<nasd4>saved it ^O i think
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07:23<nasd4>used esc-M
07:23<nasd4>it showed dos format , so it worked
07:23<nasd4>but if i leave nano not saved
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07:27<nasd4>ah now i get it
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08:40<AleksejShilin>Hi again! Should a package remove its system user when being purged?
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08:56<duncan>It's postinstall script may do so
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08:59<Drzacek>Hello
09:00<Drzacek>migrate from 32bit to 64? Is it good idea, or should not be even considered?
09:00<towo^work>more effort than benefit
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09:03<Drzacek>any risks?
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09:09<bremner>I disagree. More and more software will not support 32bit. You're likely going to want to convert at some point.
09:09<bremner>even where 32bit is formally supported, it is much less used by developers
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09:11<towo^work>maby i haven't understand the question wrong, i understand migrate without new installing
09:12<Drzacek>bremner, the question was about the migration
09:12<jamesmc>If you're talking about migrating to a fresh 64-bit installation, the risks are minimal. If you're trying to migrate a 32-bit installation to 64-bit in place... ymmv
09:12<Drzacek>as an alternative to clean install
09:12<bremner>oh, yeah. sidegrading looks messy, never done it myself
09:13<Drzacek>yeah I'm googling now, there is even some oficial guide, but even there it says it is messy
09:13<Drzacek>there is a lot of software that only exists for 64bit linux
09:13<jamesmc>If you have some super special setup on a machine that you want to preserve, probably best to leave it running 32 bit. If not, just install again and restore whatever you need from a backup.
09:14<Drzacek>yeah I probably need to get another drive and do clean install there
09:14<Drzacek>so I can always come back in case I forget something
09:15<Drzacek>k, off to look for hdd
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09:44<mpo>Guys, I have this all over my syslog:
09:44<mpo>gpg-agent[1670]: can't connect to the SCdaemon: IPC "connect"
09:44<mpo>You have an idea where this could come from?
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09:50<Iridos>maybe from gpg-agent?
09:50<Iridos>have you looked at "man gpg-agent"?
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09:55<AleksejShilin>duncan: But is it a requirement? I mean, if a package doesn't delete its system user, is it a bug which should be reported?
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10:03<Iridos>AleksejShilin, https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/#users-and-groups
10:03<Iridos>"no"
10:06<AleksejShilin>Iridos: Yeah, I haven't found anything regarding system users on purge in the Policy. I guess, "no" indeed. Thanks!
10:06<AleksejShilin>One less bug to be reported. :)
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11:21<gladioacuto>hello
11:21<gladioacuto>is there any valid alternative to adobe reader dc for Linux? I need to sign PDFs with certificates
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11:24<bremner>there are some alternatives (written in java iirc), but the visual effect is different, which is only useful if the receiver catually understands security.
11:24<bremner>which is relatively rare...
11:25<sigimac>any idea why in XFCE as a user I click 'synaptic' and nothing happens? but if I run it in a terminal 'sudo synaptic' it of course works?
11:25<sigimac>user permissions?
11:26<blast007>gladioacuto: sounds like LibreOffice 5.3 can digitally sign an existing PDF http://vmiklos.hu/blog/pdf-sign.html (and 5.4 is available in stretch-backports)
11:26<sigimac>thought it would at least start and give me a root password prompt
11:26<blast007>dunno if that does exactly what you're looking for though
11:26<bremner>blast007: good to know though
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11:26<bremner>I remember command line shenanigans last time I tried
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11:35<gladioacuto>blast007, I cannot see libreoffice 5.4 in stretch backports
11:35<gladioacuto>apt-cache search libreoffice5.4 does not return other than ure and debian-menus packages
11:35<blast007>https://packages.debian.org/stretch-backports/libreoffice <-- shows 5.4.4
11:36<gladioacuto>(obviously I have backports in sources.list)
11:36<blast007>the package is just 'libreoffice'
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11:36<gladioacuto>ok
11:37<gladioacuto>but apt-get install libreoffice does return already at the newest version 1:5.2.7-1
11:37<egm>help who to install nvida and intel graphc
11:37<blast007>gladioacuto: see "Install a package from backports": https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/
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11:38<gladioacuto>blast007, ops
11:38<gladioacuto>blast007, good thanks
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12:21<sjd2>can someone please help me resolve this output error when I run apt update?
12:21<sjd2>https://pastebin.com/nVhvaqr8
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12:26<AleksejShilin>sjd2: Is it a live system?
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12:26<sjd2>no
12:26<sjd2>Installed with live image though
12:27<AleksejShilin>Looks like you have duplicate entries in sources.list and sources.list.d/base.list. Could you paste both?
12:28<AleksejShilin>These are warnings, not errors, BTW.
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12:33<sjd2>AleksejShilin: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main contrib non-free deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main contrib non-free deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security/ stretch/updates main contrib non-free deb-src http://security.debian.org/debian-security/ stretch/updates main contrib non-free deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main contrib non-free deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main cont
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12:33<sjd2>sorry, here's a link: https://pastebin.com/TbnsmtaZ
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12:34<AleksejShilin>Yep, base.list is redundant, you may remove it.
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12:36<sjd2>AleksejShilin: remove the lines or delete the file?
12:36<AleksejShilin>sjd2: If the file contains just what you've shown, it can be removed completely.
12:36<sjd2>ok
12:36<sjd2>yes
12:37<sjd2>what's the difference between sources.list and base.list?
12:38<sjd2>also how do I delete with root privileges?
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12:42<AleksejShilin>sjd2: Files in sources.list.d/ are merged with the base sources.list file. This scheme simplifies packaging. When you add a source, it may go to sources.list file *or* to any *.list file in that directory.
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12:43<sjd2>I see, thanks
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12:54<sjd2>does debian have a firewall software pre-installed?
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12:59<AleksejShilin>sjd2: What do you mean by 'firewall software'?
12:59<sjd2>a tool for configuring a firewall
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13:00<AleksejShilin>iptables is there, of course.
13:00<AleksejShilin>If you mean a graphical interface, then no.
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16:12<abreu[m]>I've an application .desktop file set up at my ~/.local/share/application folder that's missing from Alacarte and does not appear upon searching after pressing Super.
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17:55<marvil07>abreu[m]: (1) the directory is applications, notice the s; if not (2) try to see if it is valid with desktop-file-validate
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17:58<abreu[m]>marvil07: Oh, I had solved it, the problem was indeed a misconfigured .desktop file.
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18:04<inkbottle>How do I set a bug severity to serious?
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18:05<inkbottle>I know it is serious because it's a duplicate of a serious bug closed 3 years ago
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18:05<inkbottle>OK, not run in nivice mode
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18:19<inkbottle>What is the "justification" for serious, here: #769716
18:19<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/769716 in iceweasel (closed, security, experimental): «iceweasel: downloads Cisco's OpenH264 video codec»; severity: serious; opened: 2014-11-15; last modified: 2015-05-15.
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18:20<inkbottle>I need to insert a justification
18:20<inkbottle>You are reporting a serious bug; which section of the Debian Policy Manual contains the "must" or "required" directive that it violates
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18:29<Tapiodo>hi
18:29<Tapiodo>please help
18:29<Tapiodo>I installed 9.3 for amd64, got gnome installed, but screensaver and powermanagement does not work, all works ok under kde
18:29<sney>!ask
18:29<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
18:30<sney>Tapiodo: what procedure did you follow to install gnome? you might be missing some components
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18:31<Tapiodo>sney: https://wiki.debian.org/Gnome
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18:32<sney>ok, which option?
18:32<Tapiodo>apt-get install task-gnome-desktop
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18:32<sney>ok.
18:32<sney>that should get you everything. hmm.
18:33<Tapiodo>screensaver is installed but never starts even when configured in the settings panel
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19:38<dawid>hi
19:38<dawid>hello?
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21:52<jello>anyone seen this error before when doing an apt-get update: W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org stretch/updates InRelease: Splitting up /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/security.debian.org_dists_stretch_updates_InRelease into data and signature failed
21:54<somiaj>jello: are you behind a proxy?
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21:55<jello>not that i'm aware of
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21:56<somiaj>It is just a warning, so your system should still work. Unsure why it did that. Is your drive full? Is your date set correctly? (just some basic things to check)
21:57<jello>system works, date is good, plenty of free disk
21:58<jello>but doing apt-get update throws these errors; and all packages come up as unauthenticated
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21:59<somiaj>do you only get that error, or does it accompany an error involving NODATA, googling that error seems to give me lots of hits for that.
22:00<jello>i also get the following:
22:00<jello>W: The repository 'http://security.debian.org stretch/updates InRelease' is not signed.
22:00<wolf>yeah i do
22:00<jello>N: Data from such a repository can't be authenticated and is therefore potentially dangerous to use.
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22:01<wolf>im learning to program in java any tips?
22:01<somiaj>wolf: I would start with asking in a java channel.
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22:01<wolf>alright sorry kinda all new to this
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22:02<J311Y>Idk if any DedSec members online but there are some people that might be able to help you wolf
22:02<J311Y>Join ##DedSec
22:03<somiaj>wolf: there is also most likely a java channel on irc.freenode.net, I would guess #java or ##java but unsure.
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22:04<wolf>alright i appreciate the help like i sad before im still new to this im learning the linux system as we speak
22:04<somiaj>jello: dpkg -l | grep keyring (do you have the debian keyring installed)?
22:05<jello>somiaj: i have debian-keyring and debian-archive-keyring
22:05<wolf>give me a second and ill check im using the parrotsec OS
22:05<somiaj>jello: can you put your sources.list and anything in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ on paste.debian.net?
22:05<J311Y>same
22:06<somiaj>wolf: this is also a debian channel, if you are wanting help with parrot os, please use their support as well.
22:06<jello>somiaj: http://paste.debian.net/1008997/
22:07<somiaj>jello: I think your debian security line maybe wrong, I have: deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates ...., notice the extra debian-security piece.
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22:10<jello>somiaj: doesn't seem to have helped
22:10<jello>W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates InRelease: Splitting up /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/security.debian.org_debian-security_dists_stretch_updates_InRelease into data and signature failed
22:11<somiaj>please paste the whole output of apt-get update. I am just not seeing any hits for that paticular warning, it usually accompanies other errors.
22:12<jello>http://paste.debian.net/1008998/
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22:13<somiaj>oh yea, there is a lot more going on there, I thought it was just your security sources.
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22:14<J311Y>If wolf is still here then I would like to apologize. There is no support from members right now. Sorry.
22:14<somiaj>and that is all the output you get from apt update, or is there more output?
22:15<jello>somiaj: see http://paste.debian.net/1008999/ , not much else interesting there
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22:15<hodlfather>Hi
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22:16<somiaj>jello: Here is what I would try next, comment out the debug.mirrors release, lets focus ont he main ones, and then share the output of dpkg -l | grep keyring (just want to see what keyrings you have installed)
22:17<jello>http://paste.debian.net/1009000/
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22:20<somiaj>You have some conflicts with the keys on your system, "At least one invalid signature was encountered", so unsure what on your system is invalidating the keys, and I don't know how to debug this further.
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22:21<somiaj>The one odd thing I notice is the deb-multimedia-keyring you have installed. I am unsure if this could conflict with your system or not. So I'm unsure what to suggest next
22:23<somiaj>jello: oh here is something that maybe of promis, what is the output of ls -l /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/
22:24<jello>http://paste.debian.net/1009001/
22:27<somiaj>ls -ld /etc /etc/apt /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/
22:28<jello>http://paste.debian.net/1009002/
22:29<somiaj>well thanks, sorry I can't figure out what the issue is. Something is misconfigured with the secure keys on that system, so none of your packages can be verrified.
22:32<somiaj>but all the hits I turn up in google seem to be fine, permisions look fine. You could try to reinstall the debian keyring, or maybe --purge it, reinstall. Somewhere in your keys you have an invalid signature causing gpg and thus secure apt not trust anything.
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22:39<sam_>hello?
22:39<jello>somiaj: it's weird, running apt-key list shows the proper keys loaded
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22:41<somiaj>jello: have you tried to purge the deb-multimedia keyring? You aren't using it right now, and can reinstall it if you wanted to use their repo again (Though we usually recommend against that)
22:41<somiaj>jello: but yes, it is weird, and wierd enough it doesn't get good google hits
22:44<wonderwhy>hi
22:44<Shmam>Hello. What are the main differences between Debian and Ubuntu. From what I've read online, it seems that the main difference is the release schedule and generally, ubuntu will get newer, less stable things than debian. Is this correct?
22:45<wonderwhy>i have problems installing debian testing in qemu, it cannot use the network mirror
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22:46<James>quick question. When you down an interface "sudo ip link set dev ens32 down". I can still connect to it via ssh to the ip set in etc/network/interfaces. Why does this happen? How do I "down" the interface fully
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22:47<jello>somiaj: thanks, i'm going to ask in #debian-apt
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22:49<somiaj>Shmam: there are a lot more difference. One is ubuntu is controlled by a coorpration that can enter into corprate contracts and provide other non-free wares that debian cannot, ubunutu's core is very diffrent from debian, and their policy about free and non-free is also very different.
22:50<somiaj>Shmam: really the only simulatirites is that they are both built and .deb packages, and ubuntu is built in such a way that it can pull a lot of packages for its 'universe' from debian. So debian/ubuntu share software, but beyond that I woudl say they are quite different.
22:51<somiaj>wonderwhy: what are you using to install debian testing?
22:52<wonderwhy>debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso
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22:55<wonderwhy>ah, sorry, i missed a trivial networking problem
22:55<wonderwhy>it is pulling the files now
22:56<somiaj>is your goal to install testing or test the installer?
22:57<somiaj>mostly just pointing out, that it is often easier to install testing by using the stable installer for a minimial system and upgrading. Also in the future, testing support should be in #debian-next
22:57<somiaj>the testing installer can be buggy
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23:00<jello>james123321: try ifdown ens32
23:01<somiaj>the person left, and I think the issue was using network-manager or something that would automatically bring their network up
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23:03<james123321>jello: does ifdown do anything different than ip link set dev ens32 down (this system is in production so I dont want to break anything)
23:04<somiaj>oh you are the same person
23:04<somiaj>james123321: do you use the interfaces file to manage your network or somethign else?
23:04<james123321>interface file
23:05<somiaj>the ifdown script will be slightly more deteailed than just setting the link to be down
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23:05<somiaj>but if using the interfaces file, I would use ifdown. I'm unsure why that isn't bring down your network though.
23:06<james123321>Can I post the interfaces file somewhere
23:06<somiaj>paste.debian.net
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23:08<wonderhwy>ah yes, thanks for the tip somiaj
23:09<james123321>here is my paste http://paste.debian.net/1009005/
23:11<james123321>so we were originally using both interfaces but having issues with arp table on another devices so decided to down ens32. But since running that down command, I have noticed the machine is still responding to traffic on 172.16.27.254
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23:12<somiaj>james123321: your output of ip a seems to suggest the device never released its ip address, so maybe you need to do more than set the state to DOWN
23:12<somiaj>james123321: since using the interfaces file, just use ifdown, that script will bring it down, since it works in conjunction with ifup, which is what brought it up in the frist place.
23:13<james123321>okay, I will give this ago
23:14<somiaj>maybe ##networking on irc.freenode.net could explain how/why the state could be DOWN but it can still have an ipaddress and respond.
23:14<james123321>okay
23:14<somiaj>though I expect using ifdown will fix your issue...
23:14<james123321>ifdown results in no ip addresss in the ip a output
23:15<james123321>and it stopped responding to pings, so thank you very much
23:15<somiaj>yea so it seems you may not only need to bring it down, but unset its ip address....
23:15<somiaj>you could look at the ifdown script to see what it does
23:15<somiaj>I didn't get any good google hits on why this is happening
23:16<james123321>somiaj, I did find on google some people with the same problem but no solution
23:17<somiaj>I think it is something that you are only changing the state, and there is more to an inteface being 'up' than its state.
23:17<somiaj>well up or down. Hence ##networking may have someone who understands the details much better than I do.
23:18<james123321>okay, from now on, ifdown is the way to go. It hopefully will be a one off issue for me
23:19<somiaj>yea, the debian interfaces file is just config file for ifup and ifdown which are scripts that do all the work with ip, and all the additional options/hooks you can attach to it
23:20<somiaj>at boot, ifup --allow auto, or something to that affect is run, thus running ifup on each 'auto' inteface.
23:20<somiaj>with aliases and the likes you can do quite a lot with the scripts.
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23:20<james123321>what do i change it to so it doesnt run ifup on reboot
23:20<somiaj>just comment out teh auto inteface line, and it won't bring it up on boot
23:21<james123321>okay
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23:37<jello>somiaj: fyi, turns out i was kinda out of space on my root partition
23:37<jello>/dev/mapper/diskvg-root 922M 863M 0 100% /
23:39<somiaj>jello: ahh nice, didn't I ask you to check this? Well glad you figured it out.
23:39<jello>somiaj: yeah, i did, but you can see that there's actually 60M or so available, just not usable somehow...
23:40<jello>somiaj: and i primarily checked /var -- which has plenty of space
23:41<somiaj>yea, I agree it isn't abvious that that amount free would cause such a problem.
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