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01:58<Haohmaru>Q: what can i do to find out the reason causing this old computer to sometimes fail to get out of Suspend?
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02:18<somiaj>Haohmaru: how old? some older machines have fairly buggy acpi. In general you can check the logs, and the usuall culprit is video or network drivers (sometimes other modules get in the way too)
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02:20<Haohmaru>somiaj it's with DDR2 memory, if that gives an idea of the age
02:20<arkymad>8:d
02:21<somiaj>Haohmaru: have you checked the bios settings, some have an option like windows os, or non-windows os in the acpi/apm settings that can help.
02:21<arkymad>...ddr2 :D old school
02:22<somiaj>arkymad: please keep non support comments to yourself.
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02:23<Haohmaru>somiaj i just did, it all looked okay-ish.. there was only one place whit some OS-dependant setting, and it was about RAM size and OS/2
02:23<somiaj>Haohmaru: and alothough not as easy on older machines, sometimes a firmware update can help with issues too.
02:23<Haohmaru>* with
02:23<arkymad>firmware update needed SURE
02:24<somiaj>Haohmaru: also do you have the microcode installed for your processor? This may help (though usually it is not the processor causing supened issues in my limited experience)
02:25<Haohmaru>"ACPI Function == Enabled" "Video Off Method == DPMS" "Video Off In Suspend == Yes" "Suspend Type == Stop Grant" "HDD Power Down == Disabled" ...
02:27<Haohmaru>not sure about firmware/microcode
02:27<somiaj>what processor do you have? intel or amd?
02:27<somiaj>also, what gpu/video drivers?
02:27<Haohmaru>i've looked into this before, asked around, and i couldn't figure it out.. i added "non-free" and "contrib" to synaptic to get more stuff installed, but the situation is more or less the same
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02:28<Haohmaru>Pentium D 2.8GHz
02:29<Haohmaru>the video card is some nvidia
02:29<somiaj>you could check if you have the intel-microcode package installed. Are you using nouveau or nvidia's drivers with that card?
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02:30<somiaj>you could also check your logs, see if you can find one from when resume was sucessful vs not, and try to see the difference to isloate the culprit. If you 'mkdir /var/log/journal', this will make journald logs persistant so you can see them after the failed resume when you next boot.
02:31<towo^work>the culprint is the bad acpi implementation in most bioses by the vendor
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02:31<Haohmaru>GeForce 8600GT
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02:33<Haohmaru>in synaptic, i see that i have installed "firmware-misc-nonfree" and "xserver-xorg-video-nouveau"
02:34<somiaj>Haohmaru: you could try the intel-microcode, but most likely it is a acpi/bios issue.
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02:35<towo^work>and nvidia cards are well known for not playing nice with suspend
02:35<Haohmaru>i got that one installed too
02:35<towo^work>and btw, i don't see the need of suspend in a desktop
02:36<somiaj>Haohmaru: you could test your luck seeing if there is a firmware upgrade, but with an older system, might be hard to find one.
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02:37<Haohmaru>i made the journal folder, when do i "get" the logs so i can save a "working" one and then a "failed" one?
02:37<Haohmaru>after boot?
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02:38<somiaj>Haohmaru: you use journalctl to list the logs, you'll should be able to look at the logs from 'last boot' or something like that, to see what happened when failed. You can also check the /var/log/messages and other logs too, but I'm with towo^work, and it just might be buggy acpi/apm on that older board.
02:39<somiaj>I don't really know all of the fancy search featurs of journalctl, but it should be able to help track things down...
02:39<towo^work>even many new boards do have a broken one acpi implementation, because of vendors can do, what they want with that
02:40<Haohmaru>wellz, i thought i'd save some power because this machine is not used for half the day
02:40<towo^work>you would safe power, if you shut down it
02:40<Haohmaru>i hate that :~(
02:40<Haohmaru>then i have to reopen 20 things like some voodoo ritual
02:41<Haohmaru>iykwim
02:41<somiaj>you could use session management to try to alievate that, but if you aren't able to figure out a workaround for the crashes after a suspend, might be a workable alternative.
02:41<towo^work>suspend on linux allways is a gambling game
02:43<Haohmaru>i think it works mostly successiful at home on my Dell optiplex760
02:43<Haohmaru>but that one is with integrated intel gpu
02:44<towo^work>it's only luck
02:44<Haohmaru>:/
02:44<towo^work>use your favorite search engine for the terms linux and suspend
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02:44<somiaj>I found that as I got newer hardware, I had less issues, though it might be that I learned how to buy hardware that more likely works with linux than in the past, but I found a lot of the early apm/acpi implimatations the most buggy and unstandard in my limited experience.
02:45<Haohmaru>i've done that before, towo^work you even assisted me last time, on freenode (now i can't join there due to +r)
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02:45<somiaj>Haohmaru: we have been having way to many bot attacks over there, we would prefer not to have it, but it is a pain for the ops.
02:46<Haohmaru>would fiddling with the VGA-related stuff in Bios (those which i mentioned above) maybe change something? or are they dangerous to fiddle with?
02:46<Haohmaru>i know, the spambots also flood other channels, even small ones
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02:47<somiaj>Haohmaru: maybe the vidoe off in suspend and suspend type could be worth messing with. I dno't see that changing any of it would break your system, you could always set it back
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02:58<Haohmaru>does debian count "waking up out of Suspend" as "booting" ?
03:00<somiaj>I don't think so.
03:01<hwgasdfasdf>anyone have suggestions for my question from a few hours ago about how to partition with an EFI partition doing a debian netinst?
03:01<hwgasdfasdf>and software raid 1
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03:02<somiaj>hwgasdfasdf: I missed it, care to repeate your question so we don't have to scroll?
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03:02<hwgasdfasdf>I'm just doing a regular netinst using the latest iso, manual partitioning
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03:03<hwgasdfasdf>if I don't add an EFI partition, I can't continue the install "no efi partition was found"
03:03<somiaj>hwgasdfasdf: sounds like you booted the installer in uefi mode. You need an efi partition to boot.
03:03<hwgasdfasdf>I'm installing to a single drive right now, but I want to mirror all the partitions using md raid1 later so the machine still boots if a drive fails
03:04<hwgasdfasdf>but I was reading something about that doesn't work with efi partitions?
03:04<somiaj>hwgasdfasdf: do you want to use legacy boot? If so configure yoru system for legacy boot, and then you can use the old mbr partition table and not need to worry about efi partitions.
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03:04<hwgasdfasdf>first of all, what is the efi partition? is it replacing something in the traditional filesystem?
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03:05<somiaj>hwgasdfasdf: I don't know how efi works with raid, so if wanting to use uefi boot, I'm am unsure how to deal with it on raid, espically software raid, since the partiiton needs to be visable to the bios/firmware on your machine.
03:05<hwgasdfasdf>finding a clear answer to that in google seems harder than it should be
03:05<somiaj>hwgasdfasdf: do you know what the mbr sector of the old legacy booting does (it is where grub is installed to)?
03:05<hwgasdfasdf>yes
03:06<hwgasdfasdf>at least roughly
03:06<hwgasdfasdf>it stores the initial loader that starts up the bootloader
03:07<hwgasdfasdf>let me see if there are options in the bios to do a legacy boot on this box
03:07<hwgasdfasdf>the bios is rather weird
03:08<hwgasdfasdf>it's an HP pro 6200 i3
03:08<hwgasdfasdf>it seems to be fairly "legacy free" - to an annoying extent
03:08<somiaj>hwgasdfasdf: overall this is a very poor system to boot (it has lots of hinderences) and mbr partitions are also very limited.
03:10<somiaj>hwgasdfasdf: the efi partition is a far more flexiable replacement ot the 'mbr' portion of the old partition method. an efi partition is a fat16 (maybe fat32) partition that the bios can read, you can easily install multiple oses into it to live side by side, and thus provides a more robust method to control how to boot an os from the firmware.
03:10<somiaj>it also uses gtp paritiotn tables, which are also far more flexiable than mbr (no 4 primary parition limit, no 2gb partition size limit) and so on.
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03:10<hwgasdfasdf>so what actually goes there, grub, or ntldr?
03:11<hwgasdfasdf>what size do you usualy make it?
03:11<somiaj>hwgasdfasdf: for most grub goes there, but that is mostly because people are use to grub in linux. with an efi partition one doesn't even need grub to be a boot loader anymore, you can boot linux directly from a file inside the efi partition, and let the firmawre handel the different booting options.
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03:12<somiaj>hwgasdfasdf: depends on how many oses you want to have boot info in it. But you don't need much space, 100megs is fine in most cases. I think mine is 256megs or 512megs, which is way more than I use.
03:14<hwgasdfasdf>this box is going to be a router (plus other stuff, phone server, etc etc) at a remote site. If it's down, nothing works, and dictating linux commands over the phone is never fun
03:14<hwgasdfasdf>so reliability is paramount
03:15<hwgasdfasdf>if it was you, would you just legacy boot it and use a traditional raid 1 setup with grub installed to both drives mbrs, or would you do an efi thing?
03:16<somiaj>I like efi boot, lots of advantages compared to the leagacy mbr crap we have been stuck with for ages.
03:17<somiaj>I don't think stability will be an issue. But I'm unsure how it would work with software raid, you may want to not include the efi partition in the software raid (because I doubt the firmware/bios could see it)
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03:18<hwgasdfasdf>can you install grub (or whatever you need to do) manually to the second drive's efi partition, just like you do when it's installed to the mbr of 2 drives in a typical raid setup then?
03:18<somiaj>correct
03:18<hwgasdfasdf>and have to do it manually ever time the kernel gets upgraded?
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03:18<somiaj>you just have to mount the efi partitoin as an additional step when recovering things.
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03:19<somiaj>hwgasdfasdf: nothing changes on that front, once grub is in the efi partiton, you don't need to reinstall it each time (mbr didn't install it), update-grub will still upgrade the grub config after new kernels, and that is independent of if you have grub installed in efi or mbr.
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03:19<somiaj>i.e. once you put grub in the mbr, you didn't reinstall grub each time an upgrade happened, you just updated grubs config files in /boot
03:19<hwgasdfasdf>ok, so once it's on both drives, the updates are seamless then
03:20<hwgasdfasdf>because it's reading grub.conf from /boot on the other partition anyways?
03:20<somiaj>I belive so. It should work just fine, but it may take a little getting use to, just like with any change.
03:20<hwgasdfasdf>well, then I guess I'll try the efi way...
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03:21<hwgasdfasdf>even if I screw it up, I'm goin to re-install this anyways
03:21<hwgasdfasdf>stupid machine came with a segate 1tb 7200.11 drive - not exactly what I want for reliability!
03:21<somiaj>I just think the trick is to keep this small 100meg partition out of the software raid, and you'll be fine.
03:21<hwgasdfasdf>yeah
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03:22<hwgasdfasdf>also, this thing is so "legacy free" it doesn't even have molex power connectors in it, only sata power connectors
03:22<somiaj>and with gpt partition tables, you dno't have all the stupid restrictions of mbr either, gives you more freedom. I kinda like having better access to the boot part of the partition table too (instead of hiding on the first sectors of the mbr). There are also a lot more things an os can do to talk to the firwmare over an efi setup.
03:23<hwgasdfasdf>and of course I have a phone interface card that needs power from a molex - task one, splice one of those into the power supply!
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03:24<somiaj>more and more, systems are moving away from the legacy standards that were great in the 90s
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03:24<hwgasdfasdf>task 2, get some used WD RE 4 drives for reliablity
03:24<hwgasdfasdf>i've had nothing bad bad luck with segate 7200.11 drives
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03:25<somiaj>hmm, funny, I always avoid WD due to I have had ntohign but bad luck with those, but my segate drives from the early 2000s are still running like a charm.
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03:26<somiaj>though I think the reason I saw so may bad WD drives, is they were the cheaper drives put into most the crapy desktops I had to fix.
03:26<somiaj>(not that they were any better/worse than the segates, I just saw less of those)
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03:26<hwgasdfasdf>so in the installer, after I make an efi partition, should the others be GPT
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03:27<hwgasdfasdf>it still asks me about primary or secondary for all the other partitions I create
03:27<somiaj>hwgasdfasdf: if boot into uefi mode, the installer will only allow making of a gpt partition table.
03:27<hwgasdfasdf>so I'm not booted into uefi mode then?
03:27<somiaj>hwgasdfasdf: hmm, maybe this is just in the installers manual parititon setup, but gets ignored on gpt parition tables.
03:28<hwgasdfasdf>is there a way to tell?
03:28<somiaj>hwgasdfasdf: at the very start of the boot/install, it should tell you if you are booting efi or legacy (at the menu you choose graphical install, or expert mode stuff)
03:28<somiaj>hwgasdfasdf: I am unsure the best way to double check this on a running system, but it should still be testable.
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03:29<hwgasdfasdf>I just rebooted from the usb stick
03:29<hwgasdfasdf>the menu says Debian GNU/Linux UEFI installer menu
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03:32<somiaj>hwgasdfasdf: then you are in uefi mode and making gpt partion tables. that primary/secondary might just be in both the legacy and gpt installer. It will most likely safely be ignored.
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03:50<hwgasdfasdf>wtf, there's no ifconfig anymore?
03:50<somiaj>ifconfig has been depericated for years, use ip
03:50<somiaj>or install net-tools
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04:14<jelly>somiaj: it was deprecated only by upstream. Debian's ifupdown has been using it actively until jessie or so.
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04:15<somiaj>jelly: ahh. I thought the ifup/down scripts moved to ip longer ago than that. Thanks for the update.
04:16<teatime>well, it's definitely deprecated now.
04:16<somiaj>I just thought debian finally got around to not installing it by default, but it is still there for those who want.
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04:19<jelly>and there's someone at upstream maintaining net-tools again.
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04:21<teatime>seems like a waste.
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04:38<petn-randall>I must admit that the output of 'ifconfig' and 'route' are better to read (due to spacing) than their 'ip' counterparts.
04:39<teatime>I tend to agree.
04:40<teatime>for 'ip addr' specifically, I have gotten into the habit of adding -4 or -6, to reduce the visual noise a bit.
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06:57<mpli_>Hey, is there a network expert who might have a look at my problem? dhcp-request not reaching client
06:57<mpli_>I'm trying to setup a dhcp-server on a Banana Pi R1. According to tcpdump I receive the DHCP-request from the client on the correct lan-port and on the bridge as well es on eth0.102. dnsmasq answers but it does not reach the lan-port, but arrives at the bridge and eth0.102 it's a virtual bridge configured on the device and there is also a VLAN configured. has anybody an idea how to solve this?https://www.armbian.com/lamobo-r1/
06:58<Eljotto>mpli_, I'm no expert, but in case no one here will help you, you can try ##networking on freenode
06:58<mpli_>ok, cool. I'll try.
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07:07<grove>mpli_: Sounds like a firewall issue
07:10<mpli_>OK, how can check on that? I don't have a firewall configured
07:10<mpli_>(I hope so)
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07:14<duclicsic>i dunno.. dhcp services tend to use raw sockets and won't be blocked by something like iptables, can't say I know for sure that's the case with dnsmasq though
07:14<teatime>ebtables, though?
07:15<duclicsic>i suppose
07:15<duclicsic>but who actually uses that
07:16<grove>mpli_: If you don't have a firewall configured, that can't be it, but check what `iptables -nvL` outputs. And possibly put the output of that and tcpdumps (I assume that's what you use to see that the answer reaches the bridge but not the lan port) on a pastebin
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07:17<duclicsic>for checking iptables rules you should really use iptables-save. iptables -vnL only shows you the contents of the filter table. sure you can specify other tables but you'd have to do them one at a time
07:18<mpli_>ok, give me a sec
07:20<grove>Yeah, the nat table might be useful here, so use `iptables-save` instead (when mpli_ assuming he doesn't have a firewall, I think we can rule out the presence of other tables)
07:21<duclicsic>yeah it's not likely there will be anything in mangle/raw etc but it's worth checking when it's one command
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07:22<mpli_>here's iptables: https://pastebin.com/nPAAVkdD
07:22<mpli_>I'm trying to do NAT there between the wifi and my bridge ports
07:22<duclicsic>yeah that's fine
07:22<duclicsic>nothing doing any blocking
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07:23<duclicsic>and frankly the two rules you have in #filter/FORWARD are doing nothing
07:25<teatime>wifi, you say? Are you having this problem: https://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections#Bridging_with_a_wireless_NIC
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07:28<grove>"Doing nothing" is technically incorrect, they don't change anything (apart from some timing), but they might match a lot of packets.
07:29<duclicsic>they accept some packets, but the chain policy would do that anyway
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07:29<duclicsic>so technically correct, or technically incorrect, depends on your perspective
07:30<duclicsic>they are redundant, how's that?
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07:30<grove>Agreed
07:30<grove>mpli_: I haven't read it, but while you were away: 13:25 < teatime> wifi, you say? Are you having this problem: https://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections#Bridging_with_a_wireless_NIC
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07:34<voltagex>how do I run something that requires libc5 on the latest version of Debian?
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07:35<petn-randall>voltagex: You don't. Sounds like a XY problem to me.
07:35<petn-randall>!xy
07:35<dpkg>Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem
07:35<grove>(Now I've looked at the link) If that was the problem, I would assume the packets reached the lan port, but it is somewhat confusing to talk about a lan port if it's on a wifi
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07:35<voltagex>petn-randall: no, I've got an old piece of binary-only software, ldd shows it's missing libc.so.5. Ergo I need to either get that file or hack the binary.
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07:36<petn-randall>voltagex: You could try installing an ancient version of Debian that still ships it.
07:36<mpli>This is listening on the bridge: https://pastebin.com/5rFkRqNu
07:36<petn-randall>voltagex: What does the binary do?
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07:37<voltagex>petn-randall: it's a very old version of rar, because I am trying to recreate files from a srr manifest.
07:37<grove>voltagex: The "pleasures" of binary-only software. Find an (open source) alternative - or install an ancient Debianin a virtual machine, and run our software there
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07:38<voltagex>blah, the way the script works is bruteforcing via a whole lot of different rar versions, I need to rethink how this will work
07:38<mpli>This is on the lan interface of the client: https://pastebin.com/snWhmSpm
07:38<grove>s/Debianin/Debian in/ and s/our/your/
07:39<petn-randall>voltagex: What is SRR in this context?
07:39<mpli>But it looks nearly the same if i listen on the lan interface of the r1
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07:40<voltagex>petn-randall: takes extracted files and recreates a rar - for archival/preservation purposes. http://rescene.wikidot.com/faq
07:41<mpli>and I don't have ebtables installed
07:42<voltagex>petn-randall: I think I've got it, I can make this work in a limited capacity without the super old binary.
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07:45<mpli>any more ideas on this? Do you want to see the bridge configuration?
07:46<mpli>or what else can I do to track it further down
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08:58<petn-randall>hi Zimsky
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09:48<Jaden>umm
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09:48<grove>!ask
09:48<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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09:48<Jaden>are you ok
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09:48<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
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09:49<Jaden>hello
09:49<Jaden>oh sorry
09:50<Jaden>woow
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11:36<komozo>Hello, what are example of recommended laptop for Debian ? Any experience with Purism laptops?
11:38<petn-randall>komozo: Purism runs with PureOS, which is basically Debian + a few bits to make it run smoother on their machiens.
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11:38<petn-randall>komozo: Most Thinkpads work well, too.
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11:47<Zloy>Приветствую. Нужна помощь в установке Debian9 в совокупности RAID1 + шифрование + защита от людей при физическом доступе к железу
11:47<annadane>!ru
11:47<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
11:48<Zloy>Ok, sorry
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12:14<ServiceAccess>How can I figure out what account a service is being run as?
12:15<ServiceAccess>Background: I have a log monitoring tool and I need it to monitor to a file but I don't believe it has permissions. I assume it is based off of what account is running it
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12:15<petn-randall>ServiceAccess: ps auxw | grep <service> usually
12:16<ServiceAccess>petn-randall: is the account based on who installed it or do services make their own accounts?
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12:17<petn-randall>ServiceAccess: All services run under their own service account, at least everything shipped in Debian.
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12:18<ServiceAccess>ok thank you
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13:40<arlecchino>!parrot
13:40<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
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14:03<annadane>hi if you're still here
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14:36<arlecchino>Connection failed: Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost'
14:37<arlecchino>how to fix this . i have installed phpmyadmin but not work
14:38<mpli>when do you get this error? When you are visiting phpmyadmin in your browser?
14:39<arlecchino>http://localhost/bWAPP/login.php
14:39<arlecchino>" Connection failed: Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' " and i get this error
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14:41<arlecchino>i installed phpmyadmin but it does not work either
14:42<annadane>arlecchino, you're not on parrot are you?
14:43<mpli>I'm not that much into phpmyadmin but I would guess that phpmyadmin is trying to reach your db-server with root@localhost. if your server is not there you should configure that
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14:45<arlecchino>ok
14:45<annadane>!parrot
14:45<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
14:45<arlecchino>!parrot
14:45<annadane>yeah, there
14:45<annadane>#parrot on irc.frozenbox.org
14:45<arlecchino>thx a lot
14:45<arlecchino>Have a nice day
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14:46<ais-admin>remember that phpmyadmin is asking for the mariadb root password - not the debian root password. If you cant remember the mariadb root password you created when installing mariadb there are steps you can take to reset it - just google reset mysql root password
14:47<arlecchino>i understand man
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15:05<roman>А есть Кто по русски ?
15:06<annadane>!ru
15:06<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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15:55<Ze>Hi, i have git clone a project witch contain a debian/ directory to permit to make a package. I would like to add a debian specific patch, so i have added all with dquilt. But if if cleanup sources, and just add the debian/patches/* into the project, when building the package there is no patch applied. i have tried build with debbuild and debian/rules binary ; none of theirs have applied
15:55<Ze>debian/patches before building, i think i have missed a command or something to do before the build to apply debian/patches ?
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15:57<somiaj>Ze: check out that directory, debian/patches contains both a list of packages, and a master file that tells quilt (or the build system) which ones to actually apply and in what order.
15:57<Ze>there is the series file into debian/patches
15:58<somiaj>was your patch mentioned in that series? And does that package use quilt (most do these days)?
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15:59<Ze>how to check the package have quilt instructions in debian/ dir ?
15:59<Ze>i think it's an old way "debian/"
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15:59<somiaj>you can use quilt to apply th epatches one at a time, and see if it applies your patch.
15:59<somiaj>I'm unsure what to do with the older package sthat don't use quilt.
15:59<Ze>when i use quilt import it apply fine
16:00<somiaj>not quilt import, I think you want to use quilt pop and quilt push (something like that), and this will only apply pathes one at a time that are in the series.
16:00<somiaj>Is this software you are getting from git also in debian as a package already?
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16:01<Ze>no there is no debian package for this at this moment
16:01<Ze>official debian package
16:01<somiaj>just seeing if you could take a debian/ from somewher eelse.
16:02<somiaj>maybe ##packaging can be of more help. But it sounds to me like either the debian/ dir is not actually setup to use quilt, or your patch has not been added to the quilt series, which will be the only patches applied during the build.
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16:03<Ze>there is somehting to add to debian/rules or another to say to builder, hey apply debian/patches ?
16:03<somiaj>Ze: I think ther eis a debian/source/quilt or something like that? It is a text file that should say some info.
16:04<somiaj>Ze: can you point me at the actual git page, that way I can see the debian/ dir you are using?
16:04<somiaj>(I only know the very basics though, ##packaging may have more experienced people than me who can help out)
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16:04<Ze>https://github.com/EsupPortail/esup-pam-cas
16:05<Ze>i think the debian/rule etc is an old way to make debian/ dir, i have to change compat to 9 (5 before!)
16:05<somiaj>oh that is a very basic dir, I think you are just missing a config in there.
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16:06<somiaj>no debian/rules is still the standard way to build a package, have you read the debian new matainres guide?
16:06<somiaj>or skimmed it?
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16:07<Ze>no i havent just trying to change the debian/ to have a better package
16:07<somiaj>Ze: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/dother.en.html#compat, yea compat should be 9 or 10
16:08<somiaj>https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/dother.en.html#sourcef -- that is the file I was talking about you need to tell the package to use quilt, I htink i tmight be needed.
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16:09<Ze>humm going to read this thanks
16:09<somiaj>Ze: on my package I have "3.0 (quilt)" in source/format.
16:09<somiaj>Ze: yea, that is a very good guide for matainers, gives the basics of the debian/ dir, and my opionon is quite accessible for non debian people (though one does need to know a little bit about building)
16:10<Ze>h yes i think this is the problem for me :)
16:11<Ze>i was on this page but just a bit lower into patches/* section :)
16:11<Ze>thanks you for help and time :)
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16:14<mnuhmnuh>somiaj: apt-get builddep packagename # :-) assuming deb-src lines; last i heard anyway.
16:15<somiaj>mnuhmnuh: I don't see how that relates to this issue. This is about configuing the debian/, not getting the build-deps for the package, which I assume Ze has installed, since they have built the package (just missing the custom patch)
16:16<Ze>all dependencies is ok, building the package is not the problem :)
16:16<somiaj>what I thought, so at least I understood you correctly, problem is the build not applying patches. HOpefully the source/format fixes it to use quilt correctly.
16:19<Ze>yes ! source/format fix my problem !
16:19<somiaj>woot
16:19<Ze>bug thanks !
16:19<Ze>big
16:19<somiaj>you can thank the bugs too, they do good things.
16:19<Ze>ahah :)
16:19<somiaj>(the crawly bugs, not the code ones)
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20:04<FollowMeDown>how to hide messages join/quit on irssi client IRC?
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20:54<abrotman>win 3
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21:00<iStrive>Anybody here familiar with wlan0 + eth0 bonding.
21:00<teatime>!ask
21:00<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
21:00<iStrive>I have followed many “tutorials” online but they all failed, I’m about to give up on this...
21:01<teatime>do you mean bonding, or bridging?
21:01<ais-admin>Hi iStrive - still fighting that ghost bond0?
21:02<iStrive>My distrofia is Debian Stretch, I have a MacBook 2007! Both the wireless and there to work flawlessly individually, but bonding is a nightmare!
21:02<iStrive>Yes! Believe it or not!
21:03<ais-admin>teatime is knowledgable - perhaps he can assist more than I could
21:03<teatime>what do people use eth+wifi bonding for?
21:03<teatime>doubtful.
21:03<ais-admin>hehe
21:03<iStrive>Actually, I was able to completely remove the Bond0 interface, but I’m willing to give another try.
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21:04<iStrive>If the cable gets disconnect or the network does down, the WiFi kicks in (and you get a notification from script) of the change, but you don’t loose the dns service meanwhile...
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21:06<ais-admin>quitting time here. I gotta run - good luck iStrive
21:06<iStrive>This laptop is working as a PiHole DNS Ads Blocker, the WiFi will be a backup, so no interruptions of connection, even if got slow!
21:06<iStrive>Thank you, body, I appreciate your help the other day-
21:07<iStrive>Any network expert around to help me on this?
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21:09<iStrive>The documentation from Debian Wiki on this topic is a joke! That is completely outdated and doesn’t work at all!
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21:10<teatime>I think you can probably acheive your goal w/o bonding.
21:11<teatime>Is it functioning only as the DNS server for your local net, or also as the gateway?
21:12<iStrive>How? It has to have the same ip for both wlan0 & eth0, and only use the wlan0 if eth0 is unavoidable, resuming as soon as eth0 reconnects...
21:12<iStrive>Just the dns, gateway is from my firewall!
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21:14<teatime>may I ask, how come you are concerned w/ ethernet failure? like, is the laptop still also in use as a workstation, or is it serving a super-critical LAN, or what?
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21:16<iStrive>It is just used as a server, no regular use, but something people come around the shelf and may disconnect the system unintended, so it would keep the network running if it failover to the WiFi!
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21:20<teatime>it seems to me, NetworkManager w/ same static IP configured for both the wired and wireless connections would do more or less exactly what you want. assuming the same subnet is available over wired & wireless.
21:22<teatime>although if you have the same addr I guess you have to do something to make it actually disable the wlan when eth is up
21:22<iStrive>This isn’t the proper way of doing it! And may cause issues for the network, traffics from wireless and eth0 are indifferent speeded, só performance will be compromised this way...
21:23<teatime>How is the performance different than your plan?
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21:26<iStrive>I want it done through bonding, if possible, otherwise I’ll let it go! Just taught it would be easier...
21:27<teatime>I can think of several other ways to accomplish it too.
21:28<teatime>but, anyway. Sounds like you have it under control; good luck.
21:28<iStrive>No wonder why Linux isn’t as popular as other “Easier” OS...
21:30<iStrive>Far from it. And the resources online are mostly eth0 + eth1, to only the video of wlan0+eth0 after the fact, they never publish a full tutorial of the procedure to accomplish that shown in the video...
21:33<iStrive>I will call the night, one day it will happen! I may giving for now, but never give up!
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