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---Logopened Sun Feb 11 00:00:02 2018
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00:49<Our>How do I copy directories with the cp command?
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00:50<somiaj>cp -r (recusrive)
00:58<Our>That does not work while coping several files with a *
00:58<Our>Example: cp -r /media/live/EAC5-5F58/Set/* /home/
00:59<somiaj>Our: explain what you mean by not work.
00:59<somiaj>having several files with a * will not change what -r does, which is recursive, needed to copy directories.
01:00<somiaj>Our: and you you usre you want to copy to /home/ and not copy to $HOME = /home/username/ ?
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01:03<Our>I ran the command above ,but all files where not copied to the specified directory. The only file that was not copied was .mozilla/
01:04<somiaj>Our: usually a normal users doesn't have access to /home, I think that is the problem,.
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01:04<Our>I have the correct permissions
01:05<somiaj>to /home? Are you runing this as root or user?
01:05<somiaj>again /home is not $HOME wich is /home/username/
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01:09<Our>Lets say I copy the files to /home/live/ would I need an additional command with cp -r?
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01:09<somiaj>cp -r is about the source files, and being recursive, not about the destination.
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01:11<Our>Okay. Lets start over. cp -r /media/live/EAC5-5F58/Set/* /home/live/ does not copy the .mozilla/ directory
01:11<safinaskar>sysrq-s works in vt in stretch, but sysrq-3 doesn't. what to do?
01:11<safinaskar>stretch default installation
01:11<somiaj>Our: * won't pick up hidden driectories by default.
01:12<somiaj>Our: you would ned something like .??* -- I put the two ?? there to ensure I don't also copy . and ..
01:12<Our>That is the answer I needed.
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01:58<themill>(shopt dotglob!)
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04:26<spacebug[m]1>Is there any chance VLC 3.0 will come to Stretch?
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04:49<petn-randall>spacebug[m]1: Maybe via backports, but definitely not into regular stretch.
04:50<spacebug[m]1>Ok
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04:52<petn-randall>,v vlc
04:52<judd>Package: vlc on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.0.3-5+deb7u2+b1; wheezy-security: 2.0.3-5+deb7u2+b1; wheezy-backports: 2.1.5-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.2.7-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 2.2.7-1~deb8u1; stretch: 2.2.7-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 2.2.7-1~deb9u1; buster: 3.0.0~rc8-1; sid: 3.0.0-1; wheezy-multimedia: 1:2.0.6-dmo3+deb7u2; jessie-multimedia: 1:2.2.1-dmo3+deb8u4; stretch-multimedia:
04:52<judd>1:2.2.6-dmo2+deb9u1; buster-multimedia: 1:3.0.0~rc8-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 1:3.0.0-dmo1
04:53<petn-randall>,checkbackport vlc
04:53<judd>Backporting package vlc in sid→stretch/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 11), libaribb24-dev, libplacebo-dev (>= 0.2) [linux-any].
04:54<spacebug[m]1>:/
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05:36<Sander^home>anyone got the link to an bootable cd image I can burn... to regain root access physically?
05:36<petn-randall>Sander^home: Have you had a look at the Debian main page yet?
05:39<Sander^home>petn-randall, whats the smallest one I can use?
05:39<petn-randall>Sander^home: The netinstaller
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05:43<Sander^home>petn-randall, thanks, do you know the command I need to use to log in as root so I dont reinstall?
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05:47<petn-randall>Sander^home: Sure:
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05:47<petn-randall>!frp
05:47<dpkg>For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
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05:50<Sander^home>petn-randall, thanks:)
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07:26<grove>My backup fails on the unprivileged lxc guests, I've installed using the Debian wiki as guide, because it can't read the files owned by the subuid:subgid used. Is there any bad effects from adding my user to those groups?
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07:31<grove>(My backup uses a script I wrote myself several years ago, so a different solution might be to change to some standard solution, can anybody recommend one that supports unprivileged lxc guests and skipping directories (I have some that changes rapidly, and typically contains large files that I don't need a backuup of), and gives (what looks like, it's mostly hardllinks) multiple backups
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09:31<darkeff>hello i have debian stretch amd64 version 9.3 and my apt version is apt 1.4.8 (amd64). if i want to update or install something with apt then i get that the repository do not have a release file " E: The repository 'http://deb.debian.org/debian stable Release' does not have a Release file. "
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09:50<TobiX>darkeff: Are you behind a proxy?
09:53<darkeff>no
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10:01<Mr_Me>ls
10:01<Mr_Me>wrong window :P
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10:03<Mr_Me>darkeff not sure if that's the case or if it will work at all
10:03<Mr_Me>first backup your file... just in case
10:04<Mr_Me>"sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.origin"
10:04<Mr_Me>and then edit that line "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian stable Release"
10:05<Mr_Me>to this one "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian stretch/updates main contrib non-free"
10:05<towo`>no!
10:05<Mr_Me>after that use apt-get update
10:05<Mr_Me>again, not sure if i'm right...
10:05<towo`>there is newer the word Release in the sources.list!
10:05<darkeff>i do not have the word release in my sources list
10:06<towo`>try a real mirror instead of the load-balancer
10:07<darkeff>do you mean ftp mirror ?
10:07<towo`>no, i mean a real mirror
10:07<@abrotman>what?
10:07<darkeff>what is a real mirror ?
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10:07<@abrotman>darkeff: please pastebin your sources.list
10:07<@abrotman>paste.debian.net please
10:08<Mr_Me>i guess i was totaly wrong :p
10:08<darkeff>https://paste.debian.net/plainh/79164ef6
10:08<@abrotman>without seeing his sources, you could be
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10:09<@abrotman>looks normal to me
10:09-!-mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman
10:09<abrotman>darkeff: you can probably comment out hte deb-src lines unless you're using those, and I'd probably recommend changing "stable" to "stretch"
10:09<abrotman>but otherwise, looks okay I believe
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10:12<towo`>instead og deb.debian.org i would try a localized debian mirror instead
10:13<towo`>some people often have problems with that service
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10:15<darkeff>if have done it abrotman : then i get E: The repository 'http://deb.debian.org/debian stretch Release' does not have a Release file. and if i do change http://deb.debian.org/debian/ to http://ftp.*.debian.org/debian/ then i get still E: The repository 'http://ftp.*.debian.org/debian/ stretch Release' does not have a Release file.
10:16<abrotman>no transparent proxy?
10:16<darkeff>no i have no proxy
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10:23<abrotman>can you "wget http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stretch/Release" ?
10:23<darkeff>yes
10:24<abrotman>darkeff: do you have anything in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ?
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10:25<independent><independent> hello
10:25<independent><independent> I am having a strange problem starting my VM
10:25<independent><independent> drive with bus=0 unit=0 (index=0) exists
10:25<independent><independent> im using a clean install of kali linux
10:25<independent><independent> any help appreciated
10:25<abrotman>independent: ask the kali linux channel on freenode
10:25<darkeff>abrotman: i have no files in this folder
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10:26<abrotman>darkeff: apt-get clean, try again ?
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10:28<darkeff>i am still get the message that the repository does not have a release file and that updating from such a repository cant be done securely and is disabled therefore
10:29<independent>no help in kali main channel on freenode
10:32<abrotman>independent: then ask ##linux, we don't support Kali here
10:33<abrotman>darkeff: do you have anything in your apt.conf ?
10:36<darkeff>i cant find a apt.conf file
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10:36<abrotman>darkeff: dpkg -l | grep keyring
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10:38<iStrive>I need to check the bit rate for the m4a and flac files, but I cant figure how to use avprobe to recursively return this information, istead of one by one!
10:39<iStrive>is it possible to combine for, avprobe and grep or sed to acomplish that?
10:40<darkeff>then i get ii debian-archive-keyring 2017.5 all GnuPG archive keys of the Debian archive
10:42<abrotman>darkeff: can you paste bin the output of "apt-get update" ?
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10:49<darkeff>https://paste.debian.net/plainh/d1e9546b
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10:53<abrotman>can you paste your new sources.list ?
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10:55<darkeff>abrotman: https://paste.debian.net/plainh/1b1a04d0
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10:57<abrotman>dpkg: tell darkeff about stretch sources.list
10:57<abrotman>but, yours look fine ..
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10:59<darkeff>dpkg: sources list
10:59<dpkg>darkeff: I give up, what is it?
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11:02<iStrive>Anybody familiar with avprobe command?
11:06<darkeff>abrotman: so it is not a problem with the sources list ? or should i do now how dpkg said and add it to my sources list
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11:09<darkeff>if i do man sources.list then i get man command not found but i have read this https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList
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11:32<Mr_Me>hey, does anyone know how can i disable a device that is failing on boot ?
11:32<Mr_Me>i got a message like this "Failed to start Load Kernel Modules."
11:33<Mr_Me>journalctl -xe says "Failed to insert 'w83627hf': Device or resource busy"
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11:42<Mr_Me>i think i got it... the only thing that i have to do is a reboot :)
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12:11<darkeff>maybe i should reinstall apt to get it work again but i just do not understand why it do not work at the moment ..
12:14<nkaretnikov>what does +b mean in the package name?
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12:16<nkaretnikov>i have iptables-1.4.21-2+b1 and 1.4.21-2. both have the same md5 hash as shown by apt-cache showpkg iptables, what's the difference then? the one without the b is from my local repo
12:16<Lue[m]>please vote for Debian on this poll
12:16<Lue[m]>https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/best-linux-distribution-2018
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12:41<jason2>using debian 9.3, unfortunately, I was screwing around usb drives on kde partitioner. When I rebooted I am stuck in a login prompt.
12:41<jason2>Unfortunately I had a nice nextcloud setup…. And I think that it, albeit beyond my technical understanding, is just probabally a few commands to undo my bad….
12:41<jason2>My first thought was that yep. I borked /etc/fstab.
12:42<jason2>When I go to nano etc/fstab it is empty and says that it is read only:
12:42<jason2>so as root if I do sudo mount -o remount, rw /dev/sda1
12:42<jason2>then I go back and recheck fstab I see an error “ [Error reading lock file ./.fstab.swp: not enough data read]
12:42<jason2> not sure how to handle, my keywords are being too successful
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12:47<jason2>output of lsblk -i is show HERE: http://postimg.org/image/60desuf4b/3f644ee0/
12:48<darkeff>it is not secure longer to install and use virtualbox in debian stretch ?
12:48<jason2>sda is a ssd drive. sdb is a 3tb drive which holds home, swap, and other auto configured partitions from debian install
12:49<jason2>sdc is a backup drive
12:49<jcrain>jason2: are you in the busybox initrd shell?
12:50<nkaretnikov>how can i tell apt or aptitude to install packages if there are multiple choices? the other options are about not installing something
12:50<nkaretnikov>automatically, i mean. without going through 6 questions typing no
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12:50<jason2>jcrain: I am not using busybox on reboot it goes to terminal window and shows Debian /GNU/Linux 9 linuxpd2 tty1
12:53<darkeff>how can install a completely free virtualbox in debian stretch ?
12:54<annadane>isn't it just the guest additions which are non free?
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12:54<darkeff>i do not know but here i can see "Installation of non-free edition" https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox#Installation_of_non-free_edition but i want a fully free virtualbox on my debian stretch
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12:56<somiaj>darkeff: virtualbox is in contrib in stretch-backports.
12:56<darkeff>so it is not free
12:56<somiaj>darkeff: virtualbox itself mets the DFSG so it is free, but the process to build virtualbox (namily the virtual bios) requires non-free tools.
12:57<darkeff>so in debian stretch i cant get a fully free virtualbox ?
12:57<somiaj>darkeff: packges in contrib meet the DFSG, but in some way depend on non-free components, in this case it is because you cannot build the bios without using non DSFG software.
12:57<somiaj>darkeff: I don't think you are listening, I just told you how.
12:58<darkeff>you told me that virtualbox in debian requires non free tools , so i cant get virtualbox fully free in debian
12:58<somiaj>the bios itself is DSFG, but you cannot build it. You are not going to get around this, there is no vitualbox which can be built with purely DSFG tools.
12:58<somiaj>darkeff: I never said it required non-free tools, I said it required non-free tools to build (that is different)
12:58<somiaj>but if you don't like that, use qemu-kvm instaed.
12:59<darkeff>'to have' virtualbox in debian it need non-free tools
13:00<somiaj>then don't use virtualbox. There is no way around this.
13:00<somiaj>this is due to virtualbox and not part of debian. That is why debian puts it in contrib.
13:00<darkeff>okey i wanted to know that thank you\
13:01<somiaj>But there is nothing non-free in the virutalbox you download and install from contrib
13:01<somiaj>(the free bios though was built by a non-free tool -- which to some is enough to not use it, to others not a big deal)
13:01<nkaretnikov>https://askubuntu.com/questions/135339/assign-highest-priority-to-my-local-repository i did two things that are described here: pinned the local repository and put it at the top of sources.list. however, for some packages apt-get install <pkg> results in conflicts, presumably because my local repository doesn't contain some of the dependencies. why doesn't apt fetch these on its own from the other repos in my sources.list?
13:01<nkaretnikov>after going through a few prompts, aptitude install is able to resolve this.
13:01<somiaj>this why debian has contrib and non-free they are different.
13:01<darkeff>but it needs non free dependecies ?
13:01<somiaj>darkeff: it does not.
13:02<somiaj>darkeff: the bios is free, all of virtual box is free and meets the DSFG. The tool that builds the bios (just one very small part) is, but that tool is not in debian, and virtualbox just ships the bios already built.
13:03<darkeff>so why it is in contrib ?
13:03<somiaj>darkeff: what about what I just descibed didn't you understand. I already told you this.
13:03<scientes>darkeff, have you ever build software from source?
13:03<somiaj>darkeff: to build the bios, requires non-free toosl, so you cannot build virtualbox with only free tools.
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13:04<somiaj>basically if you wanted to build every last piece of virtualbox you couldn't in debian. And the culprit is the free bios is built by non-free tools.
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13:04<somiaj>(but this doesn't say the bios is non-free, it just says to build it is, and this is the reason debian puts it in contrib)
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13:05<darkeff>so i need non-free tools to install virtualbox in debian so far it is right ,r ight ?
13:05<scientes>NO
13:05<scientes>you didn't answer my question
13:05<scientes>have you built software from source before
13:05<darkeff>scientes: i did never build software
13:05<scientes>built a package from source
13:05<somiaj>darkeff: software in debian contrib is completely DSFG complient, but in some way depends on non-free software, in this case the bios that is shipped with virtualbox (which is free) requires a non-free tool to build.
13:05<scientes>exactly, thats why you don't understand
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13:06<darkeff>somiaj: so that is just what i said, virtualbox is free but to have it in debian i need non free software like you just said
13:06<somiaj>installing virtual box will install no non-free component on your machine. Even building 99% of virtual box will require no non-free compoent. But if you wanted to completely build every bit of virtual box (including the bios) you would have to get a non-free tool.
13:06<somiaj>darkeff: you don't need any non-free software.
13:07<somiaj>darkeff: debian doens't need any non-free software (they just get the free bios directly from oracle) -- orcale built this free bios with non-free software.
13:07<somiaj>darkeff: and this has nothing to do with debian.
13:07<scientes>darkeff, you should try exercising your freedom sometime by building software from source
13:07<somiaj>darkeff: no matter what os you use, in order to have virtual box, the bios had to be built with non-free software.
13:08<somiaj>darkeff: and yes to some this is enough of a reason to not run virtualbox, but I just wanted to clarify, that if you installed virtualbox on your machine, you would have no non-free software on your machine as the result.
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13:11<darkeff>why on virtualbox debian page they wrote "Installation of non-free edition" but you said that its not non-free .... confusing !
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13:11<darkeff>i would just use virt-manger and qemu-kvm but i cant use proxy settings in virt-manager
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13:13<somiaj>darkeff: what page? virtualbox is in contrib, which is 100% DFSG complient, and it won't pull in any non-free software during the install.
13:13<darkeff>so i am wondering why here they wrote non-free https://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox#Installation_of_non-free_edition
13:13<somiaj>darkeff: but as I said which you seem to not fully get is the build of the bios requires a non-free tool. But if you are not wanting to build the bios, then it will be free.
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13:14<darkeff>i do not need a bios i thiink i just want to use virtualbox in normal way
13:14<somiaj>darkeff: that is pointing at orcales repos, not stretch-backports contrib repo. Orcale may include other non-free stuff in it that won't be in the debian version. I am unsure what oracles packages do.
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13:15<somiaj>darkeff: but the virtualbox packages from stretch-backports in contrib will not install any non-free components to run.
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13:15<darkeff>why do you think that it is poting to oracle repos ? wouldnt then they wrote "installation of non-free edition" over "Virtualbox third-party repository" and not over the debian installation way also
13:16<somiaj>and if you would have gone down to jessie, it would have explianed what I just did multiple times. From that page, "The virtualbox-* packages were moved to contrib at VirtualBox 4.2, as a non-free compiler (Open Watcom) is required to build the BIOS."
13:16<somiaj>darkeff: deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian stretch contrib -- that is not a debian repo
13:16<somiaj>I think the wiki just hasnt' been updated since virtualbox was put into stretch-backports
13:16<darkeff>but the title is over all, and not only over oracle virtualbox section
13:17<somiaj>the reason virtualbox is not in stretch is not because of being non-free. Virtualbox is not in stretch because oracle corprate policy will not let virtualbox devs (even if they wanted to) help backport security fixes to older versions. Since debian security could not give security support to virtualbox, it was removed from stretch, and provided via stretch-backports.
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13:18<darkeff>so does the debian security team not care about virtualbox in debian stretch ?
13:18<darkeff>i will not receive security fixes ?
13:18<somiaj>darkeff: I don't think you are trying to understand what you are reading.
13:19<darkeff>you said "since debian security could not give security support to virtualbox, it was removed from stretch, and provided via stretch-backports
13:19<darkeff>so they dont care about virtualbox in view of security
13:19<somiaj>darkeff: I already explained that. Due to orcal corprate policy, debian cannot provide security support to older versions (a frozen version in stretch), so they provide it via stretch-backports -- and no packages in strech-backports get direct security support, but newer versions will contain security fixes.
13:20<somiaj>darkeff: what about the sentece before which explained why debian security couldn't support virtual box, "oracle corprate policy will not let virtualbox devs (even if they wanted to) help backport security fixes to older versions.
13:20<asura>Hello, have troubles with boot partition, can't load windows. UEFI loader.
13:20<somiaj>darkeff: anyways, if you install virtualbox from stertch-backports contrib, you will have no non-free software on your machine as a result.
13:21<somiaj>and security support will come when new versions of virtualbox are added to stretch-backports
13:21<darkeff>oh now i understand i think
13:22<darkeff>well thank you for being so patiently
13:22<somiaj>yea, contrib is a bit werid repo. The software in contrib is DSFG, but it in some way depends on non-free is vague. In the case of virtualbox, the dependence is building the free BIOS, but this only matters if you want to build virtualbox, not use it.
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13:23<somiaj>darkeff: and to give you an idea that not all stuff in non-free is bad, the GNU documentation (you know the free software foundation) is in non-free because it doesn't meet the DFSG
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13:23<somiaj>(becaue they put invariant subsections in their docs)
13:24<darkeff>oh
13:24<somiaj>so it is sometimes worth looking into why a package lives in contrib or non-free as opposed to just assume it is 'non-free'
13:24<annadane>though that brings me to the question "is it always spelled out/where can you find why something is in contrib/non-free", i'm not sure whether that information is always available
13:25<somiaj>annadane: I think if one looked through changelogs, bug reports, etc, one might be able to find out, but there is no easy wah.
13:26<annadane>it should be relatively easy in any case, just be asking in any number of support venues (debian forum, irc, blah blah)
13:26<somiaj>darkeff: again the decision is yours, but at lest you hopefully see now why virtualbox is in contrib (And in stretch-backports). And maybe oneday orcale will move away from bilding the BIOS with non-free tools (even though the bios is free)
13:26<annadane>s/be/by
13:26<somiaj>but I highly doubt it.
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13:27<somiaj>darkeff: note the firmware in your bios' hardware is more non-free than virtualbox, and you seem to be okay with that. (:
13:28<somiaj>(well probably, you could be one of those who does run completely open firmware, but that is rare)
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13:29<annadane>yeah non-free software is not necessarily the devil but you should be making informed decisions
13:31<darkeff>thank you guys
13:33<annadane>though yeah there's the question of security support, it's up to you whether you prefer security support from the debian team
13:33<moony2122>somiaj, (well probably, you could be one of those who does run completely open firmware, but that is rare) .. here we are at our pro-majoritarian sectarian best again? preying on minorities for seeking dissent? non-free BIOS argument? That's becoming too stale now for a project that uses "virtual divisions" as a guise to promote non-free software. Comeon. Try fresh babe :P
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13:34<annadane>that actually may not be accurate, i'm not sure how virtualbox in debian gets support
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13:39<somiaj>annadane: it will just be slow. Debian secuirty cannot support a frozen version in stretch. Security fixes will come with new versions of virtualbox (produced by oracle) -- but getting newer packages in stertch-backports is a bit slow.
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13:40<somiaj>annadane: and the reson is they will get no help from the actual virtualbox dev's who know the code to backport the fixes.
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13:42<jason2>if anyone has suggestions to get me out of my pickle I would be greatful; see link http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=136516
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13:43<somiaj>the info you give is kinda vague jason, but the actual error you get is about a lock/backup file for vim, you should be able to safely delete .fstab.swp
13:44<somiaj>sounds like you have an old/corrumpt backup file around, and maybe deleting it (or using another text editor) would fix that issue.
13:45<jason2>in the /etc directory ; as root I dont see any .fstab.swp file....is there a special way to make it visible?
13:46<somiaj>jason2: also it is usually best to use a single place to get support, as you already had someone respond to your thread too.
13:46<somiaj>jason2: yes, .foo files are hidden by default, use 'ls -a' to see hidden files.
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13:51<jason2>Thanks I see it now. thanks for the pointer
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14:06<darkeff>hello i still trying to fix that out https://paste.debian.net/plainh/d1e9546b
14:07<jason2>somiaj: I understand one place. But if I post to the forum as well and then my laptop craps out I dont have to start "OVER" again!
14:07<darkeff>i get always the message if i want to install or update with apt that the repository have no release file
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14:13<Guest3932>can anyone tell me why firefox and a terminal window both open whenever i login? i checked the session and startup section in settings
14:13<Guest3932>i am using xfce btw
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14:16<somiaj>darkeff: is your harddrive full, what is the output of df -h
14:16<somiaj>Guest3932: xfce has a session manager that can save a session (which means restore the stuff you have open)
14:17<somiaj>Guest3932: I think you can disable the session manager or save a different seassion. Unsure where to find the tools in the xfce menus though.
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14:17<Guest3932>somiaj: would that be the save session window that appears when i logout?
14:18<Guest3932>i usually close all my programs before logging out so it shouldn't restore them :/
14:18<darkeff>somiaj: yes i have 340 GB free
14:19<somiaj>darkeff: even on your root filesystem, care to share the output?
14:19<somiaj>Guest3932: I think so. I don'
14:19<somiaj>Guest3932: I don't use xfce so I don't know the details, but it is the session manager. And you can completly turn it off.
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14:21<somiaj>Guest3932: there is also an autostart directory inside of $HOME somewhere, either ~/.local or ~/.config, that .desktop files can be placed to autostart apps on login. Maybe something coppied a .desktop file there, but it is most likely the session manager.
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14:21<somiaj>Guest3932: https://lira.epac.to/DOCS/xfce4-session/html/da/
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14:22<Guest3932>somiaj: i had a look in there and it just had discord, i've disabled session saving now though i think
14:22<Guest3932>i trust this won't also forget my panel layout
14:24<somiaj>the pannel is seperate from the sessions
14:24<Guest3932>nice
14:24<somiaj>though I think the session can rember if you kill the pannel, it won't change its configuration.
14:25<Guest3932>ah ok
14:25<Guest3932>thats all good then
14:25<Guest3932>thanks for the help
14:26<solarplexus>whats the best directory to unpack my kernal after i have downloaded it?
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14:26<somiaj>$HOME is a good place because you don't need extra permisions, or $HOME/src
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14:26<somiaj>there is also /usr/share/src which is sometimes useful if you need to build modules to link to it, as that is a standard place to look
14:27<somiaj>arg just /usr/src
14:27<darkeff>i have enough free space
14:28<solarplexus>after i compile my kernel do i get to choose which one i run from the grub loader
14:28<somiaj>darkeff: okay, I just saw that fix someones problem after they told me the same thing. Another issue could be your date is off.
14:28<darkeff>off ?
14:28<darkeff>what do you mean with off
14:28<somiaj>solarplexus: compile it with make deb-pkg, then install the packages with dpkg -i, and it will work like a general kernel.
14:29<somiaj>darkeff: not correct, if the time on your system is offset security keys/certs can fail.
14:29<somiaj>darkeff: here I'm assume as before the sources.list is correct and you have all the keyrings installed. So mentioning other things that can cause verification to fail.
14:29<somiaj>since you ahd this problem before and checked all that
14:30<solarplexus>i am a new user, im just trying to configure PREEMPT to work with audio and i dont wanna brick my computer if i configure the kernel wrong
14:31<somiaj>worst you can do is need a live/recovery image to make your system bootable again.
14:31<darkeff>i get the real time if i do command: date and my sources.list is obviously fine like others said here already https://paste.debian.net/plainh/1b1a04d0 and ihave the debian archive keyring installed
14:31<somiaj>but make sure to build the kernel into a package and install it that way.
14:31<solarplexus>ahh ok
14:32<solarplexus>gracias
14:32<somiaj>darkeff: have you tried another mirror, such as deb.debian.org?
14:32<darkeff>yep
14:35<nkaretnikov>why does libnetfilter-queue has 1 in its name while its dsc file doesn't?
14:36<somiaj>nkaretnikov: source package name vs binary package name.
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14:38<somiaj>darkeff: are you behind a proxy?
14:38<darkeff>nope
14:39<somiaj>well a 404 is saying your machine cannot locate something, now ftp.us.debian.org is a roundrobin type of dns provider that does goto different mirrors, and one could be bad. Or you could have something interfering with your trafic.
14:39<somiaj>you may want to go pick a very paticular mirror and not use a redirector.
14:39<annadane>in my experience deb.debian.org is not foolproof
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14:40<somiaj>and ftp.us.debian.org can sometimes be worse, anyways https://www.debian.org/mirror/list, scroll down to the us and pick a mirror that seems reasonble close ot you, like from mit, uchicago, etc
14:41<nkaretnikov>somiaj: sorry, i don't understand. even if i build this dsc with pbuilder, i still get libnetfilter-queue1 listed in my local repo. this only happens with this package. for other packages, the package name always matches the dsc
14:42<bremner>nkaretnikov: look in debian/control
14:42<bremner>each binary package is described there, including the name
14:43<somiaj>nkaretnikov: a source package, in this case libnetfilter-queue, creates multiple binary packages. The binary packages have the major version number appened to it, like is common with many libaries.
14:43<somiaj>nkaretnikov: some source packages build way more than 3 binary packages (all this one produces), and there is no reason the source package name has to match the binary package name.
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14:44<somiaj>nkaretnikov: this is quite common, here the openssl source package, https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/openssl, creates binaries libssl1.1 for example
14:45<nkaretnikov>somiaj: okay
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14:48<alone1337>Hey
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14:50<alone1337>i need help
14:50<alone1337>??
14:50<somiaj>!ask
14:50<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
14:50<alone1337>!ask
14:50<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
14:51<somiaj>alone1337: please don't have the bot spam the channel. If you need help ask your question, which is what the bot said.
14:52<jason2>is there a easy trick to deleting all temp files from sda ( / ) in debian?
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14:53<jason2>is there a easy trick to deleting all temp files from sda ( / ) in debian? further clarification - from terminal
14:53<somiaj>jason2: for the most part temp files shouldn't be left around.
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14:54<somiaj>jason2: but with find, you can find files of various types. If what you mean is looking for vim backup files that got left around for some reason, find / -iname ".*.swp"
14:54<somiaj>that gives you a list, you can delete them by adding the -delete option, but be careful, make sure that list finds only things you want to delete first.
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14:56<jason2>i think some of my probems is that the / drive is full...looking to delete some stuff to see if that is the problem
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14:56<ryouma>jason2: ncdu can be useful
14:57<ryouma>but don't go deleting system files. purge packages.
14:57<ryouma>dpigs
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14:57<ryouma>/tmp maybe
14:58<ryouma>(some of the things there, if they don't look like system files)
14:58<coruja>cleaning the apt cache may also free space
14:58<jason2>geting "-bash: fork: cannot allocate memory"
14:58<ryouma>you have a runaway process or something. close firefox etc.
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15:19<rob_debian>Hi all, please, I intend to use 'apt-cache search' to find the most update release for firefox browser, but I've forgotten the name of firefox browser in debian repositories
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15:20<sney>rob_debian: you are probably looking for 'firefox-esr'
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15:21<rob_debian>hi sney, nice to meet you here again ! yes, sney, I'd like to test the backports version for firefox-esr
15:21<rob_debian>is that the name ? 'firefos-esr' ?
15:21<annadane>,v firefox-esr
15:21<judd>Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; jessie: 52.5.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 52.5.0esr-1~deb9u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 52.5.2esr-1~deb8u1; wheezy-security: 52.6.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 52.6.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 52.6.0esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 52.6.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 52.6.0esr-2; sid: 52.6.0esr-2
15:22<annadane>firefox is not in backports; which one do you want to use?
15:22<annadane>firefox 58?
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15:23<sney>he probably doesn't know what he means.
15:23<rob_debian>Hi annadane, nice to meet you here again ! well, annadane, could be this version, in fact. at present, I just run 52.6.0 here
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15:23<solarplexus>how do i figure out what packages i need to compile a new kernel?
15:23<sney>!kernel handbook
15:23<dpkg>The Debian Linux Kernel Handbook http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ - packaged as debian-kernel-handbook since Debian 7 "Wheezy" - serves as a single access point to all kernel-related documentation. See chapter 4.2 to rebuild official Debian kernel packages, see chapter 4.5 to build a custom kernel from Debian kernel source.
15:24<sney>solarplexus: ^
15:24<solarplexus>ty
15:24<annadane>rob_debian, what i mean is, do you just want the latest stable version of firefox? there's firefox-esr, firefox stable (of which the latest version is firefox 58), beta, nightly, and developer editions
15:25<rob_debian>annadane , I just want firefox able to install 'download helper' extesion. this version i use here, provided by debian stable repository is not able to accept 'download helper' installation, for it is considered outdated...
15:25<rob_debian>not necessarily the most updated version
15:26<rob_debian>could be firefox stable version 58
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15:29<annadane>have you had a look at https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/video-downloadhelper/versions/? otherwise you can still get firefox 58 from mozilla's site (wiki.debian.org/Firefox is a good resource) and maybe put it in its own directory so its configuration files don't mix with firefox-esr
15:30<annadane>esr's configuration files for example should be in ~/,mozilla so if you just put firefox 58 in your home folder you should get mixed configuation files, so it's up to you but perhaps put it in its own folder
15:30<annadane>there are also user profiles
15:31<blast007>annadane: a firefox extracted to a separate directory still uses ~/.mozilla/firefox/ (at least it does for the developer edition, although that edition uses a separate profile)
15:31<annadane>ah, i see
15:33<annadane>so all right then, if you don't want them to mix use a different profile, i believe
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15:41<rob_debian>sorry, annadane, I was busy here. let me read yours instructions, really thanks for Great Debian Support !:)
15:41<annadane>also, considering the entire point was just to install an extension
15:41<annadane>!xy problem
15:41<dpkg>Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem
15:42<rob_debian>I see, annadane, I'll read about these questions on the referred links you've passed me. Thank you !
15:43<rob_debian>thanks for information you gave us, blast007. nice to meet you here again too !
15:47<rob_debian>version Version 6.3.3 of Download Helper extension is compatible with my firefox browser here, annadane ! Thank you very much for Great Support ! It's running fine here !:)
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16:13<Mr_Me>hey, i have an other issue with my debian
16:13<Mr_Me>more specific with lib/systemd/systemd-journald
16:13<Mr_Me>make my cpu load 100%
16:13<Mr_Me>jounralctl -f seems that something is in the loop
16:14<Mr_Me>and that someting might be my wifi toggle with ath9k_htc
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16:19<Mr_Me>anyone has an idea?
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16:39<abreu[m]>Hi.
16:40<abreu[m]>Ooops, nevermind.
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16:42<annadane>!next
16:42<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
16:45<yatoxnakadashi>hi
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16:46<rob_debian>Bye all !
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17:22<jack>whats the best way to get python3.6 on a debian stable box?
17:22<jack>should I bite the bullet and do apt install -t unstable python3.6 which might upgrae systemd
17:22<solarplexus>should i configure my cpu timer frequency to be 1000 hz to have a lower latency?
17:22<jack>there deosn't seem to be a backport?
17:26<jack>oh 3.6 is also in testing might be less devestating to my environment
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17:27<abreu[m]>So, I'm using this `backintime-gnome` application in order to backup my files into an external HD Drive. I would also like to add to this HD drive an .deb files of `backintime-gnome` and its dependencies in order to be able to restore my system without an internet connection. I've tried using this command `apt download (apt-rdepends backintime-gnome | grep -v "^ ")` in order to have these files downloaded. This was its result:
17:27<abreu[m]>http://paste.debian.net/plain/1009810
17:27<jelly>jack, do NOT add either testing or unstable repos to a stable installation
17:28<jelly>this almost inevitably leads to a mess
17:28<jelly>(if it didn't, there would be no need for backports)
17:29<jelly>jack, debootstrap a testing chroot, or build a custom python in a separate prefix
17:30<jack>jelly: hmm
17:31<tpo>jack, what you can try is to apt-get source python3.6 from unstable/test and build it under stable debian
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17:31<jack>yeah but i'll miss security updates
17:31<jack>hmm well if it's that ill advised I may go the chroot pathbut with docker then
17:31<tpo>however mind you that might also be quite involved and possibly does not save you from breaking packages that depend on python - so mind jelly's warning
17:32*jack is pretty familiar with the docker tools and not at all with chroots
17:34<jack>does systemd support chroots in a firt class manner in service units?
17:34<tpo>abreu[m], alternatively you could have a look at clonezilla
17:34<solarplexus>im configuring my kernel rn and i have a question: what should i set the timer frequency at for best results in audio production?
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17:40<sney>solarplexus: you are better off asking somewhere specialized in that. maybe #ardour on freenode?
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17:41<solarplexus>ok sweet ill try there
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18:01<iStrive>I want to list files recursively and show its bitrate, but I can’t figure it out, my command line is as follows: for f in **/$mft; do echo "${f}" mediainfo --Output='Audio;%BitRate/String%' '$f'; done but it’s not working
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18:02<solarplexus>when i try to install kernel-package it says "kernel package has no installation candidate"
18:03<iStrive>It shows the file name, but instead of the bitrate I get the text as mediainfo
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18:03<iStrive>Anybody good with bash and for loop to help me a bit?
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18:06<annadane>,v kernel-package
18:06<judd>Package: kernel-package on amd64 -- wheezy: 12.036+nmu3; jessie: 13.014+nmu1; stretch-backports: 13.018+nmu1~bpo9+1; buster: 13.018+nmu1; sid: 13.018+nmu1
18:06<annadane>solarplexus, it's not in stretch; but it's in stretch-backports
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18:06<annadane>!backports
18:06<dpkg>A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.debian.org/ . Ask me about <debian-backports> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>.
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18:06<annadane>go to backports.debian.org and read the instructions
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18:07<sney>we're back to using kernel-package? I thought the deb-pkg target made make-kpkg obsolete
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18:09<solarplexus>ive already ran # apt-get install build-essential fakeroot # apt-get build-dep linux
18:09<sney>yeah, 4.5 in the kernel handbook says to use make deb-pkg. solarplexus: be careful using old howtos from the internet, they can get you in a jam
18:09<iStrive>What about for in bash? Anybody?!
18:10<sney>iStrive: I always have to reverse engineer those, sorry. try #bash
18:11<sney>solarplexus: if the kernel is configured and ready to build then invoke 'make deb-pkg' from the top of the tree
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18:13<iStrive>I’m doing from bash, but how to make the output path/file and the bitrate.
18:13<solarplexus>i already did make config using libncurses and made my configurations
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18:13<Brigo>iStrive, does it work without the echo "${f}"?
18:14<solarplexus>sney: what do you mean by the top of the tree? do u mean /
18:14<sney>like at the top of your linux source tree
18:14<Mr_Me>[repost] - hey, i have an other issue with my debian. More specific with lib/systemd/systemd-journald make my cpu load 100%. jounralctl -f seems that something is in the loop and that someting might be my wifi toggle with ath9k_htc. Anyone has an idea?
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18:14<iStrive>Yes
18:15<iStrive>I want to know the files name for the corresponding bitrate
18:15<Brigo>iStrive, try echo -n "${f}"; instead
18:16<iStrive>Let me try that one now...
18:16<Brigo>the -n for no newline at the end of the echo and ; for ending the echo command.
18:16<solarplexus>i still dont understand
18:16<solarplexus>i unpacked it in the home folder so i would go there?
18:17<solarplexus>what exactly is a tree
18:18<iStrive>Brigo: this failed completely...
18:20<Brigo>iStrive, remove those '' from '$f'
18:21<Brigo>iStrive, and i don't get that **/$mft
18:22<iStrive>That is a variable with the mp3, m4a or flac choices from the script
18:23<Brigo>well, it works for me. With that modifications and modifying that **/$mft
18:23<iStrive>How is your ending line.
18:24<iStrive>?
18:24<iStrive>With the -n here is failing, not even listening anymore...
18:25<Brigo>well, i am using file because i don't have mediafile installed.
18:25<Brigo>remove that -n
18:25<Brigo>this works: for f in $(/bin/ls); do echo -n "${f}" ; file $f; done
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18:28<iStrive>That’s totally different from what I’m trying to achieve, My goal is to list media files recursively, and processing the bitrate for each file
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18:30<iStrive>I don’t know if echo is the right tools here...
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18:30<Brigo>iStrive, i guess you get the list of media files elsewhere and you pass it tot the function.
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18:55<iStrive>for f in **/$mft; do echo "${f}" mediainfo --Output='Audio;%BitRate/String%' '$f'; done prints the $f (folder/filename) followed by the text mediainfo --Output=...instead of the resulting command, which is supposed to be the bitrate of the file, what am I doing wrong in this line?
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18:58<somiaj>iStrive: mediainfo a command taht producece the info for you? maybe you need to enclose the command in `foo` so the command is executed and not just echoed.
18:58<iStrive>I expect to get the folder/filename (echo) bitrate as the result of this command! How to accomplish that
18:58<somiaj>i.e. sounds like you want to echo the output of the command
18:58<iStrive>What do I need to change in that line to make it happen?
18:59<somiaj>" enclose the command in `foo` so the command is executed
18:59<somiaj>I tried to tell you how
19:00<iStrive>I didn’t get it! Lol
19:00<somiaj>put the command you want to get the put off in the backquotes, `...`
19:01<somiaj>echo "${f}" `mediainfo blah blah`
19:01<iStrive>Let me try, give me 1min...
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19:38<iStrive>It didn’t work, now it shows the command as the text
19:39<iStrive>I got the file name followed by the whole text of the command but not the processed bitrate as desired...
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19:45<iStrive>for f in **/$mft; do echo "${f}" ‘mediainfo --Output=“Audio;%BitRate/String%” “$f”'; done - I need to process this echo command to show the $f (folder/filename) bitrate (mediainfo...), what am I missing here because I get the folder/file but the text mediainfo... instead of the resulting command processed!
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19:54<awal1>iStrive, what do you want to verify exactly?
19:55<awal1>missed beginning
19:55<iStrive>My command for f in **/$mft; do echo "${f}" mediainfo --Output='Audio;%BitRate/String%' '$f'; done
19:55<iStrive>I can’t get this line to show the file and its bitrate
19:58<iStrive>How to combine outputs in a for?
20:01<somiaj>iStrive: did you not use my suggestion?
20:01<iStrive>It didn’t work!
20:01<somiaj>iStrive: the character you used was not `
20:01<somiaj>though I may have lead you astray, might be a back tick, not backquote
20:02<somiaj>iStrive: also your two quotes don't match, you need to use the same character on both ends.
20:02<iStrive>I took it back the way it was before your suggestion
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20:02<humiltyforce>hello everyone!
20:02<humiltyforce>how are you guys??
20:03<iStrive>Which char is it you are referring to?
20:03<somiaj>this one, `
20:03<iStrive>Let me try then...
20:03<somiaj>oh in what you wrote, ‘mediainfo --Output=“Audio;%BitRate/String%” “$f”', the ending character is ' not `
20:04<somiaj>aso the starting character is utf-8. I think that is also the wrong character
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20:04<awal1>iStrive, just curious here. I don't use media info, so not sure about the whole parameters. what is the final goal via media info? verify audio/video bitrate?
20:05<awal1>I was going to suggest a simple way'file, mplayer or ffmpeg' for bitrate stuff
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20:12<sky_>hi
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20:14<iStrive>somiaj YOU are D Man!
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20:15<somiaj>the actual characters matter, so be careful when translating them. glad it worked
20:15<iStrive>It worked now! This char is not available on iPad!
20:16<iStrive>Is there a way to enclose the bit rate writhing ( ) ?
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20:17<somiaj>you could put parathensis around the part you echo, but unsure if youw ant to modify the info the mediainfo outputs
20:17<iStrive>Within ( ) or [ ]
20:17<somiaj>so echo "${f} (" `mediainfo ....` ")"
20:18<iStrive>Got it! Thank young much for your expertise! Greatly appreciated! ;)
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20:23<humiltyforce>Hey there guys!!
20:23<sky_>Hi
20:23<humiltyforce>I have a quick question... i ve been a linux user for several years, and as many Linux users, tried several distributions back and forth
20:24<sky_>i c
20:24<humiltyforce>Last years tho, i've set myself with Debian, very happy with it
20:24<humiltyforce>now... what a did recently, i have as a laptop a Microsoft Surface Pro 3
20:24<sky_>Thats good
20:24<humiltyforce>To avoid removing completely Windows from it, and avoid useless partitioning of the already small SSD
20:25<humiltyforce>I created a full debian installation on a USB thumb drive (USB 3). It's not a live, not a live with persistence, but a full installation.
20:25<sky_>Cool
20:25<humiltyforce>i modified Grub to handle the boot on most computers, no matter if they run on BIOS of UEFI
20:26<humiltyforce>so that now i have a full Debian in my pocket, ready to be used whenever i want on pretty much any computer i want
20:26<sky_>thats bretty gud
20:26<somiaj>is there an actual question here?
20:26<humiltyforce>Now... i am aware of the fact that USB thumb drives do not excel in random write and reads
20:26<sky_>Ooooof
20:26<humiltyforce>but besides some lags every now and then, i am very happy with the performance
20:26<humiltyforce>my question is
20:27<humiltyforce>How is it possible that, web surfing with Google Chrome is RIDICOLOUSLY faster on my debian thumb drive installation, when compared to Chrome on the Windows 10 inwstalled on the SSD ??
20:27<sky_>I have been using the same pentium 4 computer for like 13 years straight now. I feel nothing.
20:27<sky_>Oh, thats an ez one
20:28<sky_>its because your surface is having to do extra work with windows 10
20:28<LeLutin>I have a very weird systemd bug that prevents me from starting the tor service on one stretch host, while it runs perfectly fine on anther host.. anyone feels comfortable helping out with a systemd unit file bug? (I'll paste the exact error if someone stands up)
20:28<somiaj>humiltyforce: once things are in memeory, it is a matter of how the os can provide cpu time to the tasks.
20:28<sky_>It has to record your screen/mic/webcam and send it all to microsoft
20:28<somiaj>LeLutin: what version of debian is this for?
20:28<humiltyforce>haaahhaah
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20:28<sky_>so your surface is working extra hard
20:29<LeLutin>somiaj: debian stretch (so 9.3)
20:29<somiaj>sky_: please try to stay on topic and not add so much noise.
20:29<humiltyforce>No seriously now guys, i ve been trying to figure out why ]
20:29<humiltyforce>but i really cannot understand what is the reason behind that
20:29<sky_>No really thats the reason
20:29<somiaj>humiltyforce: sky is somewhat right, once things are running in memeory it is a matter of what else the machine is doing and how much cpu time it can give to a paticular task. Windows usually has lots of services running around (though most likely not actually recording you)
20:30<sky_>^
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20:30<somiaj>LeLutin: is this for the tor browser? I am not that familar with tor, but seems a newer version than ins tretch was needed for the browser, and it was available in stretch-backports.
20:31<humiltyforce>uhm... well there is not a huge number of processes running in background on my Windows 10 installation
20:31<humiltyforce>i really don't like feel my hdd with useless software
20:31<humiltyforce>*fill my hdd with useless software
20:31<pastly>Tor Browser doesn't use the system's tor daemon if it is present
20:31<humiltyforce>what surprises me, is the actual rendering of youtube videos
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20:31<somiaj>humiltyforce: there are also other differences in what sort of flags are used when building code, sometimes the linux builds are a bit more optimized for the arch you have chosen to install, and window builds are generic enough.
20:31<humiltyforce>there is a ridicolous difference between the two
20:32<somiaj>humiltyforce: could also be chrome in windows is 32bit so it works on both 32bit and 64bit windows, there are various reasons in the build of the software and what the os allows for cpu time.
20:32<humiltyforce>and everybody knows we are living in the corporate era of the internet, everything is proprietary, accellerated drivers belong to corporations and usually "multimedia" consumption tend to work better on inferior OSes like Windows for such reasons
20:32<somiaj>humiltyforce: I woudln't expect that much difference, unless maybe you have a lot of plugins, flash or various other things running?
20:33<humiltyforce>no, nothing running on it
20:33<humiltyforce>just plain Chrome
20:33<humiltyforce>And i am not a huge fan of Google Chrome ( not a huge fan of Google in general)
20:33<somiaj>are you also running chrome on debian or chromium?
20:33<humiltyforce>But i use that in my Debian installation because it's just LIGHTNING fast compared to every other web browser
20:33<humiltyforce>chrome
20:33<humiltyforce>not chromium
20:34<LeLutin>somiaj: no it's for the tor service : it's the daemon that connects to the tor network and exposes a port on your computer with which you can communicate in order to send packets over the tor network. you can also configure the service to run tor hidden services, be a relay or an exit node, and other stuff
20:35<LeLutin>somiaj: there's a unit templating in place and the package installs an instance by default that's caled tor@default.service. that's the unit file that doesn't want to start
20:36<LeLutin>somiaj: in the output of "journalctl -xeu tor@default.service", I can see this error : install[4221]: tor@default.service: Failed at step NAMESPACE spawning /usr/bin/install: No such file or directory
20:36<somiaj>,v tor
20:36<judd>Package: tor on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.2.4.27-1; wheezy-security: 0.2.4.29-1; jessie: 0.2.5.15-1; jessie-proposed-updates: 0.2.5.16-1; jessie-security: 0.2.5.16-1; stretch: 0.2.9.13-1; jessie-backports: 0.2.9.14-1~bpo8+1; stretch-proposed-updates: 0.2.9.14-1; stretch-security: 0.2.9.14-1; stretch-backports: 0.3.2.9-1~bpo9+1; buster: 0.3.2.9-1; sid: 0.3.2.9-1; experimental: 0.3.3.1-alpha-1
20:36<somiaj>LeLutin: I would still suggest trying the version from stretch-backports.
20:36<LeLutin>somiaj: ok, let me try this out
20:36<somiaj>LeLutin: I was just thinking it was maybe a change in tor and a newer version is needed.
20:37<humiltyforce>so guys, any thoughts about why my chrome on Debian runs much faster (even tho i m running my entire os on a USB thumb drive) vs Chrome on Windows 10 on SSD ?
20:37<somiaj>humiltyforce: Maybe it is something with how your windows is configured causing a bottle neck, and not a windows in general bug. There will be differences, but I woudln't expect a large one unless there is a bottle neck.
20:37<somiaj>humiltyforce: there is ##windows on irc.freenode.net, maybe they can have better ideas why chrome is running slower there compared to debian.
20:38<LeLutin>somiaj: I'm getting the same problem with the backports version
20:38<somiaj>and I don't think the usb has much to do with this, once it is running in memeory the drive is most isgnificant.
20:38<humiltyforce>i tried the same thing on several machines, and the result is still the same... don't get me wrong, i am very happy with this, i just cannot figure out why :D
20:38<LeLutin>somiaj: the weird thing is, like I mentioned I'v installed tor (from stretch) on another debian stretch host and it runs fine
20:39<LeLutin>apparmor is not installed on both hosts
20:39<somiaj>LeLutin: I wonder what file /usr/bin/install is not finding. I woudl assume that /usr/bin/install exists, maybe check file /usr/bin/install and ldd /usr/bin/install
20:40<LeLutin>somiaj: /usr/bin/install does exist and runs fine on the command line. I'll see what ldd says
20:41<somiaj>what does the actual unit file look like?
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20:42<LeLutin>somiaj: https://paste.debian.net/1009824/
20:43<somiaj>LeLutin: does the file /var/run/tor exist?
20:43<LeLutin>somiaj: I'm betting it has to do with the hardening options, but it's kinda weird that it would fail on one host but not on the other, so there must be something different between them
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20:44<somiaj>LeLutin: nevermind, the -d switch should create that directory. Do you have selinux enabled?
20:44<LeLutin>somiaj: the /var/run/tor directory did not exist at first, so I tried running the "install" command from the unit file by hand and relaunch but I'm still getting an error about /usr/bin/install not existing
20:45<somiaj>sometimes that error means some lib a file needs is missing, but unsure what it is not finding.
20:46<LeLutin>ah hmm there is a tiny difference there. the host with the error has /var/run as a directory while the other host has /var/run as a symlink to /run
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20:46<somiaj>that might be it if it is epxecting directories and finds a symlink
20:46<somiaj>debian has moved /var/run to /run, maybe update the unit file and run systemctl daemon-reload
20:47<LeLutin>the one with the symlink is the one on which the service is actually running
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20:47<somiaj>hmm, that is strange, but in debian /var/run should point to /run
20:48<somiaj>also if you don't have selinux enabled, I wonder if -Z causes /usr/bin/install to look for additional files.
20:50<LeLutin>oh huh the host where the service doesn't run has /run as a symlink to /var/run
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20:50<somiaj>that is backwards from how debian tries to set things up
20:50<LeLutin>indeed
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20:51<LeLutin>not sure why that would be a problem though
20:51<LeLutin>for execuring install command that creates a directory in there
20:51<somiaj>again, do you have selinux running/configured/installed?
20:52<somiaj>though you said running the /usr/bin/install command copy/pasted from the unit file works just fine?
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20:53<LeLutin>somiaj: right, running the same install command from my ssh session worked fine. how can I tell if selinux is installed/active ?
20:53<somiaj>unsure, dpkg -l | grep selinux for a start, but the man page for /usr/bin/install says that -Z is about selinux, though it may nicely ignore things if it isn't running.
20:53<LeLutin>/proc/cmdline contains only this: BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-4.9.0-5-amd64 root=UUID=5fde55d6-8a3d-4774-b93e-3ee1e2b9cc8d ro console=ttyS0,115200n8 quiet
20:54<nevyn>getenforce ?
20:54<LeLutin>I only see libselinux and ruby-selinux, so only client tooling stuff
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20:54<LeLutin>getenforce: command not found
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20:56<somiaj>LeLutin: Since it seems to run fine from the cli, I doubt not having selinux messes with -Z anymore, it was just something I noticed.
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20:59<LeLutin>somiaj: ok I did some tests with changes on the unit file. if I comment out the line "ProtectHome=yes" and do a daemon-reload, then I'm able to start the service
20:59<somiaj>I wonder if the user it is running as, doesn't have a home dir...
21:00<somiaj>I also saw something to ensure /var/lib/tor and /var/log/tor both exist.
21:01<sky_>I got a gt 720 graphics card in my computer, should I install the nvidia drivers for it on debian?
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21:07<LeLutin>somiaj: investigating some more. I can now see some differences in how the debian-tor users were created between both hosts (e.g. on the host that had no issue, the user has system uid/gid whereas on the other host, the user has uid/gid in the normal userspace -- 1006:1006. also shell is /bin/bash for the user on the host that has an issue whereas it's /bin/false on the other)
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21:12<somiaj>sky_: choice is yours, I use the non-free for my 770gtx, but the nouveau drivers should work for most things.
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21:14<LeLutin>somiaj: I've changed uid/gid of the user and shell, then ran a find on all the host to chown files to the new uid/gid, but with the ProtectHome directive put back into place I'm getting the error again. I'll try to save important files, then purge the package and remove user/group, and then reinstall
21:15<somiaj>LeLutin: Wish the error would be clearer about which file is actually not found.
21:16<sky_>Whats the nouveau drivers? And I wont be touching any games, at most maybe some chinese cartoons through vlc
21:16<somiaj>the nouveau drivers are the open drivers for nvidia hardware, and are most likely what you are using by default.
21:17<somiaj>they support 3d and it sounds like should give you enough preformance for your use.
21:17<sky_>I did a fresh install of debian 9 on this machine, so if it comes with it then yeah
21:17<sky_>I mean, the picture looks fine
21:17<somiaj>yea you are most likely using nouveau, provided it detected your card correclty which I would assume it did
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21:18<sky_>cool
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21:18<LeLutin>somiaj: it seems to be indicating that the "install" binary itself is not found but it's hard to say if this is exactly what's happening
21:19<somiaj>LeLutin: this is a quirk of bash, it maybe somethin related to running the install that is not found, and in this case it sounds like setting up the securehome
21:20<somiaj>I woudl have originally thought it was something related to teh install command, but seems to be more integrated to how systemd puts this all together and tries to execute the command in the enviroment it setup
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21:22<LeLutin>somiaj: does systemd invoke bash to run commands in ExecStartPre ?
21:23<somiaj>it setups and enviroment in some shell. Unsure if it is using bash, dash or its own shell.
21:23<somiaj>(might be using bash as many scripts are written for that)
21:23<somiaj>but systemd will setup a shell/enviorment for each command to run in, but unusre on the details.
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21:28<LeLutin>huh ok didn't know that
21:29<somiaj>LeLutin: my understanding is all commands are running inside of some shell/enviroment, but again a bit fuzzy on the details.
21:29<LeLutin>somiaj: well that didn't help either. I did "apt purge tor tor-geoipdata torsocks", then "deluser debian-tor" and verified that /etc/tor and /var/lib/tor were completely gone. arter that I reinstalled and the service doesn't start with the default configuration
21:30<LeLutin>there's something odd with this host that creates this situation
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21:30<somiaj>yea sounds like something in the enviroment tor is needing to run is not found.
21:30<somiaj>but I couldn't wager on what
21:33<LeLutin>somiaj: well ... I think I'll call it a day on that one. I might start bugging some folks that are hosting this vps for us. at least during all this research I found a workaround to get the service running :)
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22:48<rob_debian>Hi all, please, I'm facing the following experience after I have uses this line, to install 'utox':echo "deb https://pkg.tox.chat/debian stable $(lsb_release -cs)" | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/tox.list
22:48<rob_debian>since then, I have any issue in my /etc/apt/sources.list in my Debian Stretch 9.3
22:49<rob_debian>root@debian:~# apt-get update
22:49<rob_debian>E: Malformed entry 1 in list file /etc/apt/sources.list.d/tox.list (Component)
22:49<rob_debian>E: The list of sources could not be read.
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23:30<ap4lmtree>what is best for compression, bzip, gzip, or zip?
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23:36<dvs>ap4lmtree, xz
23:36<ap4lmtree>what is xz
23:36<dvs>!xz
23:36<dpkg>XZ is a lossless data compression format using LZMA2, providing a container for a single file (ala gzip, bzip2). Command line tools for working with XZ compression are in the xz-utils package. http://tukaani.org/xz/format.html http://tukaani.org/xz/
23:36<ap4lmtree>ok
23:36<user_>im having issues with my usb wifi adaptor
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23:38<user_>Linux karletta 4.9.0-5-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.65-3+deb9u2 (2018-01-04) x86_64 GNU/Linux
23:38<user_>according to uname -a
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23:38<user_>i followed the things here and on the thinkpenguin site
23:38<user_>https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/395942/wifi-think-penguin-usb-and-debian-9-wont-work
23:38<user_>rebooted, still no wifi
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23:39<user_>I retried the wget and it appears to have downloaded again, and not reported already having the file. Maybe I installed in wrong directory before? I didnt think so, but am going to try again with reboot now that I have it.
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23:44<user_>i have confirmed the nano /etc/ has been edited correctly
23:44<user_>rebooting
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23:48<user_>no luck
23:49<user_>still no gui for wireless network manager. I am unsure how to use the usb wifi dongle to the internet using the terminal. If anyone knows how to do that I would appreciate it. I am looking it up now.
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23:50<user_>why doesnt iwconfig work in debian 9? Is there a new command?
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23:52<user_>had to be root
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23:53<somiaj>user_: do you haev the package iw installed?
23:54<somiaj>oh wait, there is wireless-tools and that has iwconfig, and iw which is the more modern tool.
23:55<user_>let me try.
23:55<user_>one sec
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23:56<user_>would it be apt-get iw
23:56<user_>?
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23:56<user_>or apt-get iwconfig
23:56<user_>?
23:56<user_>I don't find it int he GUI discover for KDE
23:58<user_>there is another gui configure on kde i wasnt aware of as i used gnome before.
23:58<user_>i do have iw
23:59<user_>i am unsure how to scan with iw
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