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02:49<olspookishmagus>when you're using debian installer at some point comes up a dialog which let's you select some basic software to install
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02:49<olspookishmagus>can this be triggered with dpkg-reconfigure somehow?
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02:50<jm_>run tasksel
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02:55<olspookishmagus>thanks jm_
02:55<jm_>no problem
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03:42<olspookishmagus>tasksel didn't end up well (possibly due to network connectivity issues) but what's odd is that there's nothing reported to /var/log/apt/history.log
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03:43<olspookishmagus>oh and now restarting tasksel ends up almost immediately with: apt-get failed (100)
03:44<jm_>so maybe resolve that first
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03:51<olspookishmagus>jm_: turns out connectivity is not an issue, tasksel instantly stops with the aforementioned message even after doing a: # apt-get clean
03:52<jm_>olspookishmagus: what does 'apt-get update' do?
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03:53<jm_>man page for apt says this: «apt-get returns zero on normal operation, decimal 100 on error.» so it's definitely apt failing, not tasksel
03:53<olspookishmagus>jm_: hold on I did a '# apt-get install xfce4' and got back a message that this couldn't be done due to unresolvable dependency issues, so now I've started a 'dist-upgrade'
03:54<olspookishmagus>I don't mind having a frankendebian on my laptop too ^^
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04:05<olspookishmagus>and it's official, I now have a frankendebian on my laptop too ^^
04:06<olspookishmagus>just 406 packages installed and nothing can install on it's own I have to hand resolve dependencies by hand already
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04:07<olspookishmagus>but, bear with me... apt warns: 'E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.'
04:08<olspookishmagus>I do 'dpkg --get-selections | grep -v install' and I get nothing (so I haven't put anything on hold (yet)) so is there a tag that some package is broken or something?
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04:10<jm_>maybe try using aptitude
04:11<jm_>just be careful with proceeding, at least have it show what it thinks is wrong and solutions for that
04:11<olspookishmagus>had some nasty experience with aptitude in the past
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04:20<jm_>it will ask for confirmation so there's no harm in trying it
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04:24<barcode>i want to request a new version of a package (cmake 3.10) for sid. would this be a bug request with severity RFP?
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04:25<jm_>!rfp
04:25<dpkg>Request For Package (RFP) is the way to ask for a piece of software to be included in Debian. See http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp, the section on that page "Adding new entries with "reportbug"" is a good place to start. Technically, a RFP is a wishlist bug filed against "wnpp" with a title beginning "RFP: ", ask me about <wnpp>. The best way of getting software packaged is to do it yourself: ask me about <nmg>.
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04:39<olspookishmagus>ok this is becoming too hard for nothing - is there a way to PURGE all packages and just be left with a basic system (kernel, apt) so you can try building it from scratch again?
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04:45<olspookishmagus>oh nevermind - I'll go home (where connectivity is a LOT faster/stabler) and shoot the debian installer again
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05:19<nbl>Hello world ! o/
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05:21<nbl>did anyone succed to install debian or ubuntu on latest macbook pro ?
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05:29<petn-randall>nbl: What problems did you run into while installing?
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05:31<den>google.com
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05:32<petn-randall>. o O ( Wait, this isn't my browser ... )
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05:36<supaman>nbl: to answer your question, then yes (not me but someone has)
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05:36<supaman>!anyone
05:36<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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05:52<nbl>petn-randall: Sorry and thank you, at the end of the installation I've this error message : The 'grub-efi-amd64-signed' package failed to install into
05:52<petn-randall>,v grub-efi-amd64-signed
05:52<judd>No package named 'grub-efi-amd64-signed' was found in amd64.
05:53<nbl>sorry but I don't understand
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05:54<petn-randall>nbl: That might be because this package doesn't exist. Which installer (full filename) are you using?
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05:55<jm_>I bet it's ubuntu
05:55<petn-randall>Probably
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06:17<nbl>oh sorry yeah it's ubuntu
06:17<jm_>!ubuntuirc
06:17<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server chat.freenode.net and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using XChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://chat.freenode.net/ubuntu
06:17<jm_>try asking for help there
06:17<nbl>ok ty
06:18<jm_>no problem (as far as debian installer goes, if grub install fails it leaves a logfile for you to check)
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06:49<nbl>jm_: yes ty
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07:06<swi>Hello.
07:07<swi>I have problem with discovery network resources in nautilus. It' just show empty folder
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07:07<swi>but smbtree show all resources available
07:07<swi>Maybe i need some gnome package to be installed?
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07:20<olspookishmagus>and yep I just did that, put that machine on my home's network and now I've SSH'ed to it and everything goes realy nice and smooth
07:21<olspookishmagus>but that way of the other, it will end up frankendebian too xD
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07:21<olspookishmagus>thanks for your help people, thank you jm_ !
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09:01<pdo_fn14>Just using "set number" and "colorscheme elflord" in my ~/.vimrc
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09:01<pdo_fn14>Now I can't use % in my vim, so what the package is missing?
09:02*pdo_fn14 Even my colorscheme just coloring my number, not text.
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11:50<tze>Hi everybody. I have just updated a Server from wheezy to jessie and have a question regarding systemd services. After upgrade i have several systemd services that are in Status not-found inactive dead. There are no packages installed and there are no service files or links under /etc/systemd/ or /lib/systemd/ Where else could i look to get the services removed? I've tried systemctl disable with a reboot, but it doesn't c
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11:52<grove>tze: Why only to Jessie? Stretch is out.
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11:53<tze>grove: It is a VDR Server which still uses an older plugin which is not available for Stretch anymore. Jessie has LTS support till 2020 so i'm OK with that
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11:54<somiaj>tze: systemd is sysvint compadable, and will create services on the fly for anything in /etc/init.d/. Maybe give info on the actual service that you can't track down and the output of systemctl status thatservice
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11:57<tze>somiaj: for example arno-iptables-firewall.service not-found inactive dead arno-iptables-firewall.service; I have never had that package installed, there are no .service files anywhere, there is nothing under /etc/init.d
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11:58<tze>Ahh, i might've found something. fail2ban is referencing some of my services, maybe that's where they are coming from, i'm gonna look into it some more
11:58<somiaj>care to paste the full output of systemctl status for that service.
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11:58<somiaj>you can also have wild card services that get called by other services.
12:02<tze>It seems the problem is caused by the old init script from fail2ban. Most of the services are probably coming from here: # Should-Start: $time $network $syslog iptables firehol shorewall ipmasq arno-iptables-firewall iptables-persistent ferm
12:02<tze>I'll change that and see if it helps and will update you guys
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12:05<somiaj>yea systemd uses the LSB headers to create units on the fly, though didn't realize it would create units that are just referenced.
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12:11<tze>It did the trick. I guess instead of removing the corresponding LSB headers i could also just mask the services, right?
12:12<somiaj>I guess. Are you actually having problems with these dead sercices, or just want to remove them from your list?
12:12<somiaj>but yea, I think it turns them to a link of /dev/null, but I don't think it will remove them from the list of all possible services. It will just keep them from trying to be started.
12:14<tze>I don't have any acutal problems with the dead services, i just wanted to check that everything is running properly after the Upgrade and noticed them which is "ugly" as it's harder to detect actual problems
12:14<tze>Thanks for the help!
12:15<somiaj>Glad you found the culrpit. I didn't know systemd also tried to create services from lsb headers, I thought it only used them to create service from actual /etc/init.d/ scripts that didn't have the same name as a unit file
12:16<somiaj>though you might just want to remove any custom or unclaimed init.d script from /etc/init.d/
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15:09<olspookishmagus>hello, debian installer did not install net-tools (ifconfig)
15:10<olspookishmagus>how do I configure my network now these days?
15:10<blast007>olspookishmagus: https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#iproute2
15:10<bredth>mount your debian iso image (usb stick / cd / etc.) and go to pools/main/ and there you can get wpa supplicant and its dependecies
15:11<blast007>https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration
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15:13<bredth>https://packages.debian.org/stretch/wpasupplicant if it was a minimal netinst without internet you will need to search on pools/main for libnl-genl-3-200, libnl-3-200 and libpcsclite1 .deb packages and install it
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15:28<olspookishmagus>ok thanks blast007, bredth
15:29<bredth>olspookishmagus: what did you done ?
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15:49<olspookishmagus>bredth: I'm happy ip finally took over control, I'm familiar with ip
15:49<olspookishmagus>but I did install net-tools in case sometime I'm too burnt out and I won't recall that happy change
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15:50<bredth>did you get the packages from your debian install device ?
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15:54<olspookishmagus>nah I used ip, got connected to network and apt-get net-tools
15:54<olspookishmagus>marked it appropriately too
15:55<bredth>oh ok! i thought you did not have internet access, my fault
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17:20<helgau>Hi! i'm having a bit of a problem with stable, which i just installed
17:20<bredth>if i am on a debian live system and i do install software over apt, it installs the software very fast to the system. but if i do install software over apt on my installed debian on the hard disk, it is very slow, at least 5x slower, what is the reason for that and can i change it ?
17:20<helgau>it refuses to boot properly unless modesetting is disabled. Hangs on "handing off to nouveaufb"
17:21<hosiet>Live systems are not real systems since packages on live systems are installed into RAM, not harddisks
17:21<hosiet>a reboot will erase all your changes
17:22<helgau>so right now i'm talking to yall in GLORIOUS VESA 1024x768. (a bit surprising, i thought it would at least be EFI fullscreen)
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17:23<hosiet>I/O on RAM will surely be much faster than those on hard disks, that's expected
17:23<bredth>and why does the installation of software is so much faster if its installed to ram and not to hard disk ?
17:26<helgau>anyway, any help with making my nvidia-having PC operational would be appreciated.
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17:33<hosiet>bredth: since RAM has much faster access speed, that is decided by hardware nature
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17:34<hosiet>Also note that data on RAM is volatile and will disappear completely very fast if power is cut down
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17:35<bredth>hosiet: ok, and would it be possible to get this fast installation speed on a hard disk ?
17:35<helgau>...okay, taking the plunge again, maybe this time it'll work. if not, i guess i'm switching to Nvidia
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17:35<hosiet>bredth: take more money from your pocket and buy better hardware, like SSD
17:37<hosiet>helgau: perhaps you need to make it clear that if you are using nouveau or propitiatory NVIDIA drivers
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17:38<hosiet>anyway I'm not using nvidia hardware now so little help could be provided
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17:48<bredth>by default in grub in a line it says: "ro quiet" which is configured by /etc/default/grub "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="ro quiet"; why there are two space bars? ro__quiet ? is this wanted or what is the sense of it ?
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17:50<blast007>bredth: in the live image?
17:50<bredth>no generally, or at least if i install the debian netinst image
17:50<blast007>my install just has "quiet"
17:50<bredth>yes, sorry
17:50<bredth>mine also
17:51<bredth>but if i then in grub and press strg-c and see the line where it says "ro quiet"
17:51<bredth>two space bars
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17:52<blast007>If I had to guess, I would imagine that whatever built the default file had a variable between the ro and quiet that would add extra options, if any, so it would have been something like "ro $var quiet"
17:52<bredth>sorry i mean if i press e
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17:52<bredth>well this could be
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17:53<blast007>in any case, the extra space is harmless
17:53<bredth>its in the line "linux /boot/vmlinuz ............ ro quiet
17:53<bredth>okey, well this is good
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17:53<bredth>thanks, blast007
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18:01<bredth>since we just talk about space bars, i wondering why there two space bars between "deb" and "http://deb.debian.org/debian stretch main" "deb__http://deb.debian.org/debian stretch main" in the example of a sources.List on the offical wiki debian page https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList#Example_sources.list also on the second example box, there are only no two space bars between "deb" and "http" at the security.debian.org lines, but why th
18:01<bredth>ere are two space bars between the "deb" and "http" in the other lines with "http://deb.debian.org/.............." at all ? is this itentionally and if so, why ? what does it do
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18:27<teatime>it doesn't matter
18:27<bredth>well, but does it not look unnice ?
18:27<teatime>it's a wiki, fix it if you don't like it
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18:29<bredth>maybe someone else will do
18:29<bredth>im just wondering that nobody changed it already
18:29<bredth>its about months
18:31<bredth>i mean, does nobody care about this page ? its a pretty popular page "sources.list" the official wiki debian page ...
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18:32<bredth>that does for me not promise good behaivor
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18:35<teatime>aaaand, IHBT.
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18:35<bredth>https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/ and why there are this folders "current-live/; current/" although there is always the same in "9.3.0-live/; 9.3.0/" and "current-live/; current/" ?
18:36<bredth>current/ isnt more current than 9.3.0/
18:36<ach>thx.
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18:37<ach>well no some reason
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18:41<bredth>teatime: what does "IHBT" mean ?
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18:46<bredth>https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList?action=info unbelieveable, since 2017-05-22 03:00:55 this obviously inaccuracy of the sources.list examples exists, in view of the fact, that this is a popular page and also the official debian wiki, im pretty disappointed from the community, if i may say this.
18:50<Vaan>Hi everyone. I am not in the knowing. What was the problem in source.list ?
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18:51<bredth>if someone could be so nice and take seconds of time to correct it, i [and of course not only i] would be very grateful for it.
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18:52<blast007>bredth: is that just about the extra space?
18:52<bredth>two space bars in both example sources.list after "deb"
18:52<blast007>doesn't affect anything
18:52<blast007>if it bothers you, fix it
18:55<bredth>i have no debian account and i will not create one just for this ... so if someone already have a debian account, we all would appreciate your work, takes not more than a minute.
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19:00<annadane>i changed it, but it's a bit of a stretch to be disappointed for a minor cosmetic feature
19:00<annadane>i'd rather be disappointed for blatantly incorrect information which leads the unwary user to screw up their system inadvertently
19:02<annadane>(though of course it does look a bit prettier now)
19:02<coruja>let's be glad that he didn't file a bug ;)
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19:02<bredth>what do you want to imply with that ? annadane
19:02<bredth>and thank you, by the way!
19:02<annadane>i'm implying it's just a bit silly to get that exercised by a minor thing
19:03<annadane>it doesn't matter, i fixed it, it's done
19:03<bredth>thank you for that!
19:03<bredth>but i have to ask, "i'd rather be disappointed for blatantly incorrect information which leads the unwary user to screw up their system inadvertently", what did you want to imply with that ?
19:04<annadane>well, just that if you're going to make a big deal of it i'd rather people make a big deal over something in the wiki which is dangerously inaccurate
19:04<annadane>an extra space doesn't stop the system from reading the sources.list correctly
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19:05<bredth>this is great, but i didnt knew it because im a normal user!
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19:08<annadane>though yes the wiki is not perfect as it's difficult to keep track of all the pages and how things change over tikme
19:08<annadane>time*
19:08<annadane>it wouldn't surprise me to see many pages with instructions that worked for jessie but not in stretch, though the wiki generally does a good job of saying "such and such works on jessie"
19:09<annadane>it's volunteer; people aren't paid to maintain the wiki
19:10<Vaan>someone here is an expert with debian ? I have some question again about the partitioning. I don't well understand yet
19:11<annadane>Vaan, it's faster to ask your question and people who know will get around to it
19:11<bredth>well, better no information than wrong information. so the users maybe should better care about their correctness and rethinking their changes in wiki, recherching etc.
19:11<Vaan>ok
19:13<annadane>well, the problem is keeping track of all the wiki pages
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19:13<annadane>the strength of open source is that if a user spots an inaccuracy they can change it/patch it
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19:15<Vaan>I think had seen that for new debian distribution, it is not recommended to make a /usr partition. The same applies to /boot. Anyway, I don't understand the utility of a /boot. /boot is recommended only if I want to have various distributions ? This is my today questioning :(
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19:21<bredth>hmm ...
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19:32<mstone>separate /boot was sometimes needed a long, long time ago when some machines' BIOS couldn't boot from a file located more than a certain number of bytes into the disk (there were a couple of different limits, 2GB was a big one). That hasn't been an issue for a long time.
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19:33<mstone>now you need a separate /boot/efi to boot an efi system because it needs to be FAT32 formatted
19:34<mstone>if you're not using efi there's no particular advantage to creating a separate /boot. it will not help boot multiple distributions.
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19:37<Treey225>Hey im a new Debian user and if i have questions i will ask here if its okay?
19:37<bredth>if the questions are in a relationship with debian, yes
19:38<Vaan>Ok mstone. Mi laptop is a 2015 . It is a UEFI
19:39<annadane>Treey225, certainly
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19:43<mstone>@Vaan if you are installing UEFI it will create the proper partition automatically
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19:50<Vaan>This automatic created partition will be visible with my other partitions ? (/ swap, /home ...) ?
19:50<Vaan>It will be a primary partition ?
19:58<futune_>I mainly use separate /boot for unlocking the luks volume which houses my root partition...
19:58<futune_>I think that's pretty standard
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20:06<Treey225>How can i make a folder and the files inside the folder unchangeable?
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20:07<Vaan>That is the problem I noticed since I do research on linux partitions. No one have the same opinion. Some will say no, others yes. For the technical question about primary/logical for example, about the position of a particular partition, about the usefull of make a /usr /opt /usr/local... I didn't no what I have to think anymore.
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20:07<bredth>Treey225: you can simply do with root: chattr -R +i /location/to/your/folder
20:07<bredth>and see: http://archive.oreilly.com/linux/cmd/cmd.csp?path=c/chattr
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20:09<b17>Vaan: most of those questions will depend on how many disk and curent partition layout. Hard to answer questions like that.
20:09<Vaan>I don't KNOW**
20:09<Treey225>Thx
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20:21<Vaan>I understand. I seen that with stretch, a /boot would be a problem in a particular situation.
20:22<Vaan>And is there a utility today to partition /usr and /opt and /usr/local ?
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20:25<mstone>futune__: yes, encrypted root is another reason for separate /boot
20:26<Treey225>I have a second question. I Installed a minimal Debian with Debian netinst iso on USB stick without internet to my laptop and i now cannot connect to Wifi and i have no internet connection but my wifi adapter is detected by the system, i need wifi because i have no lan cable. I read something to set up wifi but if i do wpa_passphrase i get command not found
20:27<bredth>Treey225: well, plug in your usb stick with which you installed debian netinst to your laptop and do with root on your debian system: mount /dev/sdb1 /media/cdrom/
20:28<Treey225>Ok and now ?
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20:29<bredth>go to /media/cdrom/pools/main
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20:29<Treey225>Ok
20:30<Vaan>I seen yes, that it is used for encrypted /. So if i don't want, it's not recommended for me...
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20:30<bredth>is it debian stretch ?
20:30<Treey225>Yes
20:31<bredth>amd64 or i386 ?
20:32<Treey225>amd64
20:33<bredth>do commands with root:
20:33<bredth>find /media/cdrom/ -name "wpasupplicant_2.4-1+deb9u1_amd64.deb" -exec cp {} /home/user/ \;
20:34<bredth>find /media/cdrom/ -name "libpcsclite1_1.8.20-1_amd64.deb" -exec cp {} /home/user/ \;
20:35<bredth>find /media/cdrom/ -name "libnl-genl-3-200_3.2.27-2_amd64.deb" -exec cp {} /home/user/ \;
20:35<bredth>find /media/cdrom/ -name "libnl-3-200_3.2.27-2_amd64.deb" -exec cp {} /home/user/ \;
20:36<bredth>did you do it ?
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20:38<Treey225>Yes i did all the commands
20:38<bredth>do the c ommand: cd /home/user/
20:39<Treey225>Did it
20:39<bredth>umount /dev/sdb1 and un plug your usb stick
20:40<Treey225>So far i did it
20:41<bredth>you are on a tty right ?
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20:41<Treey225>Yes
20:42<bredth>if you do now "ls" do you see the 4 .deb packages ?
20:42<Treey225>Yes from the commands you give me
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20:43<bredth>then do now: dpkg -i *.deb
20:44<Vaan>Thanks for the answers. Bye
20:46<bredth>and then do type command and press enter once: chmod 600 /etc/network/interfaces && wpa_passphrase "YourSSID" > /etc/network/interfaces
20:47<bredth>now you type your passphrase
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20:48<Treey225>Okay i did it and now ?
20:50<bredth>do you know your wifi adapter name in debian ?
20:50<Treey225>Yes I found it out
20:52<bredth>now make: nano /etc/network/interfaces
20:53<bredth>still with root
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20:57<bredth>after "psk" you see a long chaos of numbers and letters and after "ssid" you see your SSID which you typed and also you see your passphrase, but now change the file that it looks like this: https://paste.debian.net/plainh/cdd21c4f but do not change the long chaos of numbers and letters and also do not change your SSID, this is only a pattern and where you can see "YourWifiAdapterName" change your wifi adapter name !
20:57<bredth>do you understand ?
20:58<Treey225>Yes wait
20:59<Treey225>Done it and what now ?
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21:00<bredth>now press strg+x and y and enter
21:02<bredth>do you have a built in laptop wifi adapter or a usb wifi adapter ?
21:03<Treey225>I have a USB Wifi stick
21:03<bredth>un plug the stick and plug in
21:04<bredth>do: ifup YourWifiAdapterName
21:04<bredth>to connect to your wlan and to get internet access
21:04<bredth>what does your /etc/apt/sources.list look like ?
21:06<bredth>do: nano /etc/apt/sources.list
21:07<bredth>and make sure it looks like this https://paste.debian.net/plainh/f0323505
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21:08<bredth>tomorrow you should also have a look on this https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList
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21:09<bredth>If you are done do again: strg -x and y and enter
21:09<bredth>and: apt update && apt upgrade -y
21:10<Treey225>Okay wait a moment
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21:11<bredth>wait until its done
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21:12<bredth>and then reboot your debian system
21:12<Treey225>Do you mean that i have to press the power off Button and power on?
21:13<bredth>if its done do just the command: reboot
21:13<bredth>do not press your power off button ....
21:14<bredth>if you would want to power off your computer then you do command: shutdown -P now
21:15<Treey225>Okay.
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21:16<Treey225>I do now reboot
21:17<bredth>well!
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21:24<Treey225>Yeah thank you by the way
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21:28<bredth>Treey225: no problemo
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21:31<Treey225>By the way I have still a another question, the letters are so big on the console the Display Resolution is very low and so its all big sized how can change the resolution ?
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21:33<bredth>does your laptop support 1920x1080 resolution ?
21:34<Treey225>Yes
21:34<bredth>do with root: nano /etc/default/grub and add on a new line GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=1920x1080
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21:35<bredth>again strg-x and y and enter and reboot
21:35<bredth>wait
21:36<bredth>hehe, do before reboot : update-grub
21:36<Treey225>Okay
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21:37<Treey225>Yeah nice now its much better
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21:38<Treey225>Before all was so big and the text also now its great thanks
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21:43<bredth>:)
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21:45<bredth>by the way, you can remove the 4 .deb files from before with root: rm /home/user/*.deb if you didnt done it already
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21:46<Treey225>Okay i did it
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21:47<Treey225>The folder and the files which i have changed to unwriteable with chattr from your command does work but how can i change the files again ?
21:48<bredth>you didnt looked the link i gave you additionally to the command ? here again for you http://archive.oreilly.com/linux/cmd/cmd.csp?path=c/chattr
21:49<Treey225>But i dont know how to do it i read the link already
21:49<bredth>no you have not read the link; if you did so, you would know now how-to-do-it
21:51<Treey225>Cant you just say me the command please I dont get it
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21:54<bredth>stay stupid: to make the folder and its content again writeable do simply command chattr -R -i /location/to/your/folder
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21:55<bredth>did you see ? only a "-" before the "i" instead of a "+"
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21:56<bredth>"+" add the magic spell; "-" takes the magic spell
21:57<bredth>not that bad, or ? Treey225
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22:00<Treey225>Thank you bredth
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22:20<meikk300>Hey
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22:20<meikk300>i have a question
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22:21<bredth>meikk300: great!
22:21<bredth>dpkg: i have a question
22:21<dpkg>bredth: I don't know, could you explain it?
22:21<bredth>dpkg: can i ask a question
22:21<dpkg>if you have a question, don't ask if you can ask it.. just ask it.. :) if somebody knows, they'll answer :)
22:22<meikk300>Oh OK
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22:23<bredth>dpkg: asking to ask
22:23<dpkg>bredth: I don't know, could you explain it?
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22:23<bredth>hm :/
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22:24<annadane>it's !ask to ask, but that's not important
22:24<annadane>meikk300, what's the question?
22:24<bredth>:-(
22:25<bredth>!ask to ask
22:25<dpkg>Don't ask to ask. Don't ask if anybody can help you with x. Just ask! If you're unsure how to phrase your question, ask me about <ask>.
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22:25<bredth>i have no x installed :/
22:26<meikk300>I have Debian Stretch and if i do apt-get install i get Temporairy Failury messages and im also not able to use the Internet
22:27<bredth>since when do you have this problem ?
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22:27<meikk300>Since i installed Debian
22:28<bredth>you are using wlan or lan ?
22:28<annadane>bredth, and also don't call people stupid, that's very unnecessary
22:28<meikk300>WLAN
22:28<bredth>annadane: i did never call someone stupid, im not rude and i do not want to be rude or unfriendly
22:29<bredth>meikk300: how did you set up your wlan ?
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22:30<meikk300>I did this instruction https://wiki.debianforum.de/WLAN_Einrichten
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22:30<meikk300>"WLAN Einrichtung in der /etc/network/interfaces"
22:31<meikk300>But i have instead of dhcp static
22:31<bredth>what is in your /etc/resolv.conf ?
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22:32<bredth>annadane: you do not really mean that with your message that is said "stay stupid"
22:32<bredth>it was not meant unfriendly
22:33<bredth>only a incentive to read the page i gave him
22:33<meikk300>bredth: I have no /etc/resolv.conf file
22:33<bredth>there we go
22:34<bredth>echo 'nameserver 8.8.8.8' > /etc/resolv.conf to use googles dns server
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22:36<bredth>or type your gateway ip in this file
22:37<bredth>the one you typed in /etc/network/interfaces in line after "gateway"
22:39<bredth>or see https://wikileaks.org/wiki/Alternative_DNS#Instructions_for_routers and pick one (maybe not all work) to use a uncensored dns server
22:40<meikk300>Yes!! It works
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22:43<meikk300>There is still a another problem with my /etc/sources.list i guess, because If i do apt-get update then i see some lines with "Ign" besides the lines with "Get" what does this mean ?
22:43<ach>!gnome-control-center
22:45<bredth>you mean your /etc/apt/sources.list ? whats in their ?
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22:48<meikk300>deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ stable main
22:48<meikk300>deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ stable main
22:48<meikk300>deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ stable-updates main
22:48<meikk300>deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ stable-updates main
22:48<meikk300>deb https://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main
22:48<meikk300>deb-src https://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main
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22:49<bredth>remove the http"s" from the security.debian.org lines
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22:50<bredth>apart from that your /etc/apt/sources.list is fine
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22:52<bredth>no double space bars :-) what a nice sight
22:53<bredth>meikk300: what do you exactly get if you update ? copy it and you can post it on https://paste.debian.org/ if you want, if you have concerns
22:54<bredth>but your sources.list which you showed me is OK
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22:56<meikk300>Now it works normally no errors
22:56<bredth>then we are happy
22:58<meikk300>Is Debian the most secure operating system ??
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22:59<annadane>i mean i guess the most secure is technically qubes or tails
22:59<bredth>yes with non-free firmware inclusive
23:00<bredth>so many code can not be secure
23:01<bredth>meikk300: debian is of course not the most secure os, but you can make it strong secure with configure it
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23:02<bredth>maybe this interesting matter for you meikk300 https://wiki.debian.org/AppArmor
23:02<bredth>*is a
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23:06<bredth>meikk300: the link you gave me https://wiki.debianforum.de/WLAN_Einrichten ; to come back to it shortly, did you run wpa_passphrase SSID password with normal user without root ?
23:07<meikk300>At the first time yes because i forgot to run it as root
23:08<bredth>and of course you see the command if you look in your /home/user/.bash_history ?
23:09<meikk300>Yes i can see the command in this file
23:10<bredth>do command: cat /dev/null > /home/user/.bash_history && history -c
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23:11<meikk300>Why ??
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23:15<bredth>for security reaons you should do the command i gave you
23:17<annadane>um
23:17<annadane>can you not
23:18<bredth>?
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23:22<meikk300>I did it
23:22<bredth>well done !
23:26<meikk300>I installed AppArmor how can I run all AppArmor Profiles in "enforcing mode" ?
23:26<bredth>did you also install apparmor-profiles apparmor-profiles-extra ?
23:26<meikk300>Yes
23:28<bredth>did you follow the instruction on the debian apparmor wiki page ?
23:28<bredth>enabling apparmor ?
23:29<meikk300>Yes i did it already
23:30<bredth>if you want to set all aviable profiles to enforcing mode you do: aa-enforce /etc/apparmor.d/*
23:31<bredth>now you can look: aa-status
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23:34<bredth>if i noticed it right you are german, then you will maybe also find this interesting https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/AppArmor/Profile_erstellen/ in view of apparmor
23:35<meikk300>Thanks i will read it
23:35<bredth>Bitteschon
23:37<bredth>annadane: (04:17:03 AM) annadane: um (04:17:09 AM) annadane: can you not ??
23:38<b17>great show guys i'm impressed
23:39<b17>from resolv.conf to sources,list to apparmor in less than an hour that's a crash course
23:42<bredth>is this not what #debian is for :-)
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23:45<bredth>meikk300: maybe a another interesting matter for you https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Bash/bashrc/#Stellt-die-bashrc-eine-Gefahr-dar
23:47<bredth>in relationship with this i recommend you to read also http://archive.oreilly.com/linux/cmd/cmd.csp?path=c/chattr
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