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01:11<meikk300>How can I watch /notify live-file-changes on specific folders ?
01:11<bredth>meikk300: https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/inotify/
01:13<bredth>this is a great tool which i used for a long time and i recommend it to you
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01:30<jm_>alternatives: apt-cache search inotify
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01:38<bredth>well thank you jm_
01:39<bredth>it did gave him this link because i knew that he is german
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01:42<meikk300>Yeah thanks^^ bredth vm_
01:43<meikk300>jm_*
01:44<meikk300>annadane:
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01:48<meikk300>Events:
01:48<meikk300> access file or directory contents were read
01:48<meikk300> modify file or directory contents were written
01:48<meikk300> attrib file or directory attributes changed
01:48<meikk300> close_write file or directory closed, after being opened in
01:48<meikk300> writable mode
01:48<meikk300> close_nowrite file or directory closed, after being opened in
01:48<meikk300> read-only mode
01:48<meikk300> close file or directory closed, regardless of read/write mode
01:48<meikk300> open file or directory opened
01:48<meikk300> moved_to file or directory moved to watched directory
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01:48<meikk300> delete file or directory deleted within watched directory
01:49<meikk300> delete_self file or directory was deleted
01:49<meikk300> unmount file system containing file or directory unmounted
01:49<meikk300>Oops sorry !
01:49<bredth>...
01:50<bredth>be careful meikk300
01:51<meikk300>Sorry it was my fault
01:51<bredth>yes,
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01:59<meikk300>Q*:
02:00<meikk300>Q: What does "rm -r /" do ?
02:00<meikk300>"rm -rf /"
02:01<b17>A: man rm
02:01<bredth>tasting is about studying
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02:02<bredth>meikk300: maybe use a search engine first before ask here something
02:02<bredth>just for your next questions
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02:02<b17>meikk300: you seem to be a fast learner, but it's really not good to type in commands from irc or the net or anywhere without reading the man page.
02:03<bredth>yes, you can not trust us
02:03<bredth>this channel shouldnt exist at all
02:04<meikk300>Is this ironic ?
02:04<bredth>i guess yes :-)
02:05<bredth>but really, you should do some search engine tries before asking here or like b17 said look to the manpage of the command
02:06<meikk300>man command not found
02:06<bredth>then do install it
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02:07<b17>pkgname is manpahes
02:07<b17>*manpages
02:09<bredth>you maybe want also install man-db
02:11<b17>this the net install with no network install? wow, you missed all the standard pkgs that way.
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02:16<storm>helo
02:16<storm>anyone here
02:16<grove>!anyone
02:16<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
02:17<annadane>storm, it's a support channel, lots of people are here
02:17<storm>thank
02:17<storm>am trying to hack a website
02:18<annadane>this really isn't the room for that, this is for debian questions
02:18<grove>What makes you think we want to help with that?
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02:18<annadane>and no one can "tell you how to hack", learn it yourself, it's methodology more than anything else
02:18<b17>here's some info on 'standard' task I never did anything this minimal. https://wiki.debian.org/tasksel#A.22standard.22_task
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02:18<storm>ok thanks
02:19<storm>am in wrong channel
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02:30<b17>i remember when 'hack' wasn't a dirty word, we used it like 'code' or 'write' we called the other stuff cracking
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02:31<jm_>heh
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02:32<b17>or maybe a hack was copying or borrowing some code and making some changes.
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03:06<Omochao>hello! Is there a way to skip the first prompt on apt-get update that tells you which packages will be upgraded and how much additional disk space will be used, and only that first prompt? What I've found so far suggests the -y flag which is not what I want because it says yes to *everything*
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03:09<cascardo>Omochao: try --with-new-pkgs, maybe?
03:09<cascardo>I guess that's what that first prompt is about
03:09<cascardo>check the option in the manpage
03:10<cascardo>below that option, there are others that are about other specific questions
03:10<jm_>there are quite some more boolean options that may apply, see /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/configure-index.gz
03:11<Omochao>cascardo: I get this prompt even with “0 newly installed”
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03:14<cascardo>maybe --trivial-only ?
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03:15<Omochao>oh, just realized I wrote update when the prompt is actually in upgrade
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03:20<jm_>there's boolean for Upgrade too in apt.conf, so worth trying
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03:31<Omochao>I think I want --assume-yes
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03:31<Omochao>no wait that's the same as --yes… this is confusing
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03:32<Omochao>jm_: the file you gave says they're different options
03:32<Omochao>but `man apt-get` says they're the same
03:32<jm_>Omochao: your configure-index.gz has actual explanations for settings? because mine sure doesn't
03:33<Omochao>it does for some of them
03:34<Omochao>Force-Yes "<BOOL>"; // allows downgrades, essential removal and eats children
03:34<Omochao>Assume-Yes "<BOOL>"; // not as dangerous, but use with care still
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03:52<cascardo>I guess -y is the same as assume-yes, that is, the safe one
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03:52<cascardo>still, you might try --trivial-only
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03:59<jm_>Omochao: yeah but that's not Upgrade "<BOOL>"; whatever that does
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04:20<olspookishmagus>is there a tool to explore packages already installed in a debian system? something that will present them more nicely than dpkg -l ?
04:21<olspookishmagus>I want to replicate the packages I have on my desktop to my laptop and I wouldn't like to be found without I assume I have when I'll be offline and unable to connect
04:22<olspookishmagus>$ dpkg -l | grep '^ii' | wc -l
04:22<olspookishmagus>5580
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04:33<grove>`dpkg --get-selections` produces a list of installed packages that can be piped into `dpkg --set-selections` (you need to do something afterwards to actually effectuate the installations, I think the recommandation used to be something like `apt-get dselect-upgrade`, I might be wrong and there might be better ways nowadays)
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04:35<olspookishmagus>I am looking at something that will utilise that "tag" "metadata" of packages
04:36<jm_>!package reselect
04:36<dpkg>methinks package reselect is 'dpkg --get-selections >file', 'sed -e"s/remove$/install/" file | dpkg --set-selections', then apt-get dselect-upgrade
04:38<jm_>olspookishmagus: otherwise there are tools to parse dpkg status file - dpkg-awk, dctrl-tools
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04:42<olspookishmagus>thanks jm_, grove
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04:45<grove>That sed looks like something that might cause problems. Maybe packages were removed because they caused conflicts.
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06:01<olspookishmagus>is there a proposed/recommended way to install Android Studio and/or Eclipse?
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06:06<jm_>olspookishmagus: is eclipse from the repository not good enough?
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06:13<olspookishmagus>jm_: I don't know - all the tutorials/guides I've seen however recommend getting it from "the source". However the guide is old, things probably changed: https://www.xda-developers.com/how-to-build-an-android-app-part-1-setting-up-eclipse-and-android-sdk-xda-tv/
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06:30<jm_>olspookishmagus: well maybe try the debian one and if that doesn't work, use some other method to put it in /opt or /usr/local
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07:28<olspookishmagus>any comments on this:
07:28<olspookishmagus>$ sudo -- sh -c 'apt-get update; apt-get -y upgrade 2>&1 | tee apt-get_upgrade_$( date +%Y%m%d_%H%M%S).log.txt'
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07:32<jm_>olspookishmagus: have you considered using cron-apt instead?
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07:34<olspookishmagus>jm_: and risk coming home to a broken system? no thank you
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07:34<jm_>olspookishmagus: and the above will differ from that how?
07:35<olspookishmagus>jm_: that this gets run whenever I feel like it, in a non fixed basis
07:35<jm_>olspookishmagus: ok so I misunderstood the intention, sorry - then what comments do you expect to hear?
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07:38<olspookishmagus>I don't know maybe like that there's a shortcut for what I'm doing
07:40<jm_>don't think so, as for logs, is stuff in /var/log/apt so much different you need to use tee?
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08:06<olspookishmagus>maybe texlive-* has to be upgraded on it's own :/
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09:38<nkaretnikov>how do i build a dsc package from a git repo? how's linux packaged, for instance? there's a lot of information on using git to help with packaging or managing built packages, but i cannot find anything related to my usecase.
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09:43<jang>hello, i have a problem using a patched version of rxvt-unicode on debian stretch. my .xsession-errors show "urxvt: error while loading shared libraries: libperl.so.5.20: cannot open shared object file" - it seems that i have libperl.so.5.24.1. Any ideas how I can get this terminal to run?
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09:44<jamesmc>jang: You need to either compile urxvt to use the library you have installed, or find the correct version of the library somewhere and install that
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09:45<jang>jamesmc: i have tried to create a symlink 5.24.1 -> 5.20 but unfortunatly that did not work either
09:46<jang>so i guess i have to downgrade if i understand correctly
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09:53<jcrain>nkaretnikov: there are many ways of doing it. many packages use a workflow based on git-buildpackage - see the manual at http://honk.sigxcpu.org/projects/git-buildpackage/manual-html/gbp.html. the linux package appears to use something different, but it looks like there are instructions in the linux packaging repo at https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/kernel/linux.git/tree/debian/README.source.
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10:06<NoNicknameLeft>How do I trigger reparsing of the keyboard rules? I want changes made in /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols to apply without having to reboot. I tried restarting keyboard-setup and udevadm trigger --subsystem-match=input --action=change
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10:12<aXeton>hi
10:13<annadane>hi aXeton
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10:21<NoNicknameLeft>I figured it out, just setxkb the layout you are already using. Who woulda thunk it.
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10:28<aXeton>anybody knows what happens to security updates after distribution EOL? is it moved and merged together in archive?
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10:59<mstone>aXeton: the general idea is that there's a final point release, but there can be exceptions (see https://www.debian.org/News/2016/2016060402)
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11:00<mstone>security.d.o is also archived http://archive.debian.org/debian-security/
11:02<aXeton>thank you for answers :)
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11:06<nikadimus>Hello
11:08<nikadimus>test
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11:12<nikadimus>Does anyone field newb questions?
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11:18<grawity>the easiest way to find out would be to ask the question
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11:23<ali>hi
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11:23<nikadimus>Hi
11:23<annadane>it's a support channel; we field *all* debian questions
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11:28<nikadimus_>Can anyone tell me how to uninstall the desktop stuff like Mate? I installed everything and it is to confusing.
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11:30<annadane>nikadimus_, it depends on what part of MATE you installed; there are different packages, log in as root and type "history | grep mate", unless you selected MATE in the installer?
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11:33<annadane>though keep in mind, just because you installed MATE doesn't mean you have to use it, you can install something else which is simpler and select between the desktop environments in the login screen of your window manager
11:33<annadane>it is of course up to you whether you also want to remove MATE entirely
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11:35<supaman>you can see if you have MATE set up with tasksel --list-task
11:36<supaman>and then if it is there then uninstall it with taskel remove mate-desktop
11:36<annadane>indeed, if you installed it with the installer, as seems a reasonable assumption
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11:38<nikadimus_>It aint so much the desk top as it is the overwelming number of programs.
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11:39<nikadimus_>I may reinstall now that I under stand it.
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11:39<nikadimus_>Actually Im loving the Mate Sys Monitor right now.
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11:40<nikadimus_>I am trying out debian. Gave up windows in 2012. Been on Ubuntu. Wanted top try the real thing.
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11:43<annadane>right, so the problem if you installed it via the installer is that if you remove individual programs the apt autoremove list will become populated by a lot of programs you may actually need, one way to avoid removing them when you apt autoremove is to apt-mark manual certan packages you want to keep, or reinstall and install only the mate window manager and then only install later the programs you actually want
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11:44<annadane>some people do that, aka if you don't want xfce's programs you can install xfwm (i think) so you get a bare desktop, and then only add what you want
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11:45<nikadimus_>Yep. Well going through it I actually like the Mate apps. Ya Anna I think that is about it.
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11:46<annadane>i personally don't really bother with apt autoremove any more, i have the disk space for it, it's up to the individual user
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11:48<annadane>and also i'm on debian unstable and apt autoremove is likely to break your system functionalities
11:48<nikadimus_>Yea I do have the disk space, I think it is just that I am over whelmed by the number of choices. Ubuntu is simplicity in motion. But that is why I tried Debian. No control over the desktop or your environment. This is the opposite, the sky is wide open so to speak.
11:49<nikadimus_>Is IDLE the IDE for Python available on debian?
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11:51<annadane>yeah, there's probably others but idle is one of them
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11:52<annadane>the idle metapackage defaults to python 3
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12:02<Megaf>Hi folks, what would the default DE for Debian, if any
12:02<annadane>GNOME
12:03<Megaf>So if I want to show Debian to someone the way it's supposed to look for a desktop/workstation, GNOME is the one
12:03<annadane>i mean, what do you mean "supposed to"? no one has to use GNOME if they don't want
12:04<Megaf>I know
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12:04<annadane>but sure, if you select desktop environment in the installer and then don't select any particular desktop then you'll get gnome
12:04<Megaf>just for instance, Ubuntu had Unity, now is GNOME 3, Mint is Cinnamon, ElementaryOS is their own thing, OpenMandriva is KDE
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12:04<Megaf>so I just want to know which one would be the Debians default, and most polished for the distro
12:05<annadane>polished is also quite subjective
12:05<annadane>some people don't like/have problems with gnome
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12:10<nkaretnikov>jcrain: http://honk.sigxcpu.org/projects/git-buildpackage/manual-html/gbp.intro.html#gbp.repository but this is exactly the opposite of what i want, or maybe i'm just misunderstanding it. i thought that there's something that can take an upstream git repository and turn it into a debian package so long as certain preconditions are met.
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12:11<cascardo>Megaf: just tell people Debian is the universal OS, so any well-(debian)maintained freedom-respecting desktop would be the DE for Debian
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12:14<thiagopolicena>annadane: Thank's for recommendation, I liked of the IDLE :)
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12:23<jcrain>nkaretnikov: debian's official packaging always requires some manual work, such as verifying copyrights, making sure it meets policy, etc. there are tools to help automate some of that.
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12:23<jcrain>nkaretnikov: but if you automate that process completely, you'll likely end up with a package that doesn't meet debian policy requirements.
12:24<nkaretnikov>jcrain: i'm not planning to contribute it
12:25<nkaretnikov>jcrain: could you name some of these tools?
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12:33<jcrain>nkaretnikov: i'm thinking of tools like debmake, licensecheck, the devscripts tools, lintian, and others that automate parts of the process. i think there are some programs which try to automate the whole thing but I'm don't know what they are.
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12:36<jcrain>"Guide for Debian Maintainers" explains using debmake - https://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals#debmake-doc
12:36<nkaretnikov>yep, i have it opened, but haven't read yet
12:37<nkaretnikov>i just thought there's an automatic way of going from git -> tar.gz, but i guess it's project dependent, which makes sense
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12:40<nkaretnikov>found it: "You will not need gbp import-orig at all with this workflow. gbp buildpackage will handle creating the upstream tarballs needed for the Debian source package." http://honk.sigxcpu.org/projects/git-buildpackage/manual-html/gbp.import.upstream-git.html
12:42<jcrain>that will still involve manual work to create the debian directory
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13:46<Megaf>debian shell is stupid if you use a shell that doesnt exist
13:46<Megaf>reglnx@Aluminium:~$ su --preserve-environment -c dash -s /bin/dash
13:46<Megaf>Password:
13:46<Megaf>Cannot execute /bin/zsh
13:46<Megaf>from a dash shell Im telling su to run dash using shell dash preserving the dash shell Im running from ignoring passwd, yet it totally ignores me
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13:48<Megaf>reglnx@Aluminium:~$ su --preserve-environment -c nano -s /bin/dash -l
13:48<Megaf>Password:
13:48<Megaf>Cannot execute /bin/zsh
13:49<Megaf>How do I bloody run something as root with a missing shell?
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13:59<b17>Megaf: looks complicated, what about -c /bin/dash/nano ?
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13:59<Megaf>$ BASH=/bin/dash su root -c /bin/dash
13:59<Megaf>Password:
13:59<Megaf>Cannot execute /bin/zsh
13:59<b17>I mean usethe whole path to nano
14:00<Megaf>nothing works b17, it just ignores everything I type and try to run the shell that is defined in /etc/passwd
14:00<b17>/bin/nano
14:00<Megaf>$ su root -c /bin/nano
14:00<Megaf>Password:
14:00<Megaf>Cannot execute /bin/zsh
14:01<b17>so where is zsh? did you remove the binary and log out or what
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14:01<Megaf>b17: accidental exit while switching back to bash
14:02<Megaf>I did remove zsh yes
14:02<blast007>do you have sudo ability?
14:03<Megaf>nope
14:03<blast007>then you might just need to boot off a live DVD or from the recovery mode and fix your /etc/passwd
14:04<blast007>might be able to tell grub to change your init to /bin/bash, though I'm not sure if that still works these days
14:04<Megaf>that's a bloody bug in su
14:05<Megaf>it's ignoring the shell I tell it to use and it's also failing to fallback to sh should the shell not be found
14:05<Megaf>as is in its manual page
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14:05<Megaf>reason I didn't care much and did what I'd done
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14:08<jcrain>Megaf: I don't see you telling su to use a shell in any of the commands you pasted
14:09<jcrain>try the '-s' option
14:09<blast007>the first and second paste used -s and it still complained about the missing zsh
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14:13<Megaf>jcrain: I did use -s
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14:13<Megaf>clearly I must be doing something wrong, so I ask you, what would the syntax be for -s
14:14<blast007>Megaf: from the source code, there's a comment that says "If su is not called by root, and the target user has a restricted shell, the environment must be changed and the shell must be the one specified in /etc/passwd."
14:14<Megaf>I will never trust a piece of Linux documentation anymore
14:15<Megaf>blast007: yet in the manual page it says it will use the one specified by -s or fallback to /bin/sh is the shell is not found
14:15<blast007>it also mentions the restricted shell below all that
14:15<Megaf>I have no idea what it's meant by "restricted"
14:15<blast007>for me, zsh is not in /etc/shells
14:16<blast007>from the su manpage "If the target user has a restricted shell (i.e. the shell field of this user's entry in /etc/passwd is not listed in /etc/shells), then the --shell option or the $SHELL environment variable won't be taken into account, unless su is called by root."
14:16<b17>yeah man page says, -s is ignored if zsh is set in passwd, but not listed in /etc/shells
14:16<annadane>huh. today i discovered rbash
14:16<Megaf>zsh is set for my user and root
14:17<Megaf>yet, when I open gnome-terminal I'm presented with BASH
14:17<Megaf>or whatever shell I tell it to use in settings
14:17<Megaf>why would this work for a normal shell and lock root out of access?
14:17<Megaf>Still plain stupid
14:17<blast007>it's how su works
14:18<blast007>with sudo I can still start bash as root even with zsh as root's shell
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14:21<Megaf>I have busybox and gksu
14:21<mstone>and this is why you don't change root's shell :D
14:22<Megaf>anything in mind?
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14:22<b17>Megaf: the solution offered was use a live system to edit passwd
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14:22<Megaf>anything in mind? (from the running system)
14:22<mstone>yeah, don't change root's shell
14:23<Megaf>consider this a mission critical server located in a datacentre far far away
14:23<Megaf>(not saying it is)
14:23<b17>Hire a new admin?
14:23<Megaf>mistakens do happen and the system must provide a recovery path (specially with such pooorly written manual for such crucial piece of software)
14:24<futune__>recovery path = gaining root as a user?
14:24<blast007>downtime is sometimes unavoidable
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14:24<b17>sry a bit smarty there, nah I think it's well documented, if zsh was listed in /etc/shells it would fall back right?
14:24<mstone>as someone else already said, sudo will work fine
14:24<blast007>yes, if zsh was in /etc/shells you would be able to use the -s option of su
14:24<Megaf>zsh is not an unknown shell you know,
14:25<mstone>if you go down the list of options and cross them all off, then sure, you've shot yourself in the foot
14:25<mstone>live and learn
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14:25<blast007>I don't know if gksu works differently in this regard than su
14:26<mstone>if it were a mission critical server in a data center far away, I'd use the configuration management tool to revert to a good configuration
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14:39<Megaf>well, system fixed
14:39<Megaf>just used debian recovery mode in grub options
14:40<Megaf>then when I logged in, it failed to find zsh, and as expected, fallback to /bin/sh
14:40<Megaf>where I could run nano and fix passwd
14:40<Megaf>again, bloody stupid su
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14:43<b17>Megaf: It's a good thing to know ty for the info
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14:47<Megaf>so again, I made a mistake, but it could very well just the shell getting corrupted for some reasons, or passwd itself
14:47<Megaf>locking root out
14:47<Megaf>I reafirm, su is broken
14:47<Megaf>I know, I will not open a bug report
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14:48<b17>Megaf: maybe the zsh removal script should check /etc/passwd ?
14:48<b17>cuz that does have a nasty side effect
14:48<Megaf>I will not open a bug report, first because I abosolutely hate Debian bug report system
14:49<Megaf>second as it just happened here, most people wouldnt care, and the rest would just blame me
14:49<Megaf>I expect Debian devs to be in this channel, I described step by step what happened
14:49<Megaf>now is up to them to fix, if they care
14:49<Megaf>which I'm sure they don't
14:50*Megaf waits for the line "It's open source, fix yourself"
14:50<b17>Megaf: well if they changed that behacior it might mess up someone who expects it to work that way
14:50<Megaf>there's no behaviour now
14:51<b17>ya can't just change stuff for one person
14:51<Megaf>it's just broken
14:51<Megaf>the system should just fall back to the de facto default shell, which is sh
14:51<Megaf>And it
14:52<b17>not if root sets up a restricted shell. It should run that or nothing.
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14:53<Megaf>man, it should fallback
14:53<Megaf>well
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14:54<sdk>Megaf: no your computer should do what you ask it to do and nothing else
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14:55<Megaf>sdk: Agree 100%
14:55<Megaf>and it doesnt let me change my shell
14:55<sdk>Megaf: But did you change it with root in the first place
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14:56<careo>esp if you have a remote system that you’ve set a restricted shell on for root, and most definitely would *not* want someone being able to get it to fallback to the default shell for root
14:56<Megaf>sdk: I installed ZSH, then I edited passwd and set ZSH as shell for the user too yes
14:56<Megaf>then I removed ZSH
14:56<Megaf>and accidently exited the shell without reverting passwd
14:56<Megaf>then I got locked out of my own system
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14:58<sdk>Megaf: Can you just edit the boot line in grub?
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15:02<Megaf>sdk: If you read the history, you will see that I already fixed the problem
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15:14<sdk>Megaf: ah nvm :)
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15:18<Arpegius>How can I add a source package to a repo with reprepro?
15:22<Blupon>Jvous aime bande de gros thug !
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15:23<Blupon>WOUHHHHH
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15:28<Megaf>sdk: Thanks anyway :)
15:29<Megaf>Arpegius: does this helps? https://blog.packagecloud.io/eng/2017/03/23/create-debian-repository-reprepro/
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15:31<Megaf>https://mirrorer.alioth.debian.org/reprepro.1.html
15:31<Megaf>this should :)
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16:28<barzkurdi>how do i open tor using stretch-backports
16:28<barzkurdi>???
16:30<barzkurdi>i'm on parrotsecurty os
16:30<blast007>!parrot
16:30<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
16:31<annadane>if you're on parrot you probably wouldn't use stretch-backports...
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16:31<barzkurdi>then?
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16:31<annadane>idk, whatever parrot provides in their repository
16:31<duclicsic>also the information in that dpkg output is old, the irc channel/server no longer exists and i'm fairly sure the mailing list is gone too
16:31<blast007>barzkurdi: https://community.parrotsec.org/
16:32<QUESTIONmore>are there statistics on how many people understood what to do at https://sso.debian.org/ ? must be a huge fail rate
16:32<duclicsic>vist their site for info
16:32<annadane>QUESTIONmore, why don't you tell us what you'd improve and contribute changes instead of bitching at us while providing no actual solutions
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16:33<QUESTIONmore>well it was me who fixed the wiki entry on SSO , you see ...
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16:33<annadane>i mean it's fine to criticize a part of the debian project but you a) need to be specific and b) not turn it into a rant
16:34<QUESTIONmore>https://sso.debian.org/ had a user-friendlyness of exactly ZERO. give me statistics that prove otherwise. But I will leaveit there.
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16:35<annadane>also this channel is largely for support questions, it's not guaranteed that developers are watching it, you can try contacting the mailing list of whoever's responsible, i don't know who that may be
16:35<annadane>perhaps debian-www@lists.debian.org
16:39<QUESTIONmore>well thanks, since the proximate link has been reedited, the situation of debian newbies is much less dire
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16:40<QUESTIONmore>but yes, the link to the web repo was operational
16:41<annadane>i'm not trying to discourage you from speaking out, by the way
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16:42<annadane>it's just that it's preferable to try to be polite; i've been guilty of being aggressive at times as well
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16:44<b17>people seem more aggressive in general lately to me. cosmic gamma rays or unusual solar activity?
16:44<QUESTIONmore>https://sso.debian.org/ was a crap site , lets face it
16:45<annadane>maybe; i didn't see it before and i'm not sure how it's supposed to work
16:45<b17>take a few deep breaths
16:45<annadane>i've had my own disagreements with some debian website pages like iso verification
16:45<QUESTIONmore>I leave it there.
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16:46<QUESTIONmore>each human always understood how to use Ubuntu single sign on . any clue there maybe ... possibly ...
16:46<QUESTIONmore>ok.
16:47<annadane>but as i said any criticism should be directed elsewhere than a support channel, it's likely that no one the criticism is directed to is currently reading the channel
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16:47<annadane>(possible, of course, but many people idle here for hours)
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16:48<Arpegius>thx Megaf, very useful, I need only one more thing
16:48<QUESTIONmore>well by this time the Charibdys can be sailed at ease
16:48<Arpegius>If I create a package with dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc how can I add repo signature?
16:48<QUESTIONmore>a simple wiki entry would actually be EXPLANATORY... for a change
16:49<Arpegius>Is it added with the adding in the repo? Should I add it by myself? It must be added with the built o the package?
16:49<QUESTIONmore>happy to have been abel to help you out . thx.
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16:55<QUESTIONmore>you mean signing locally ?
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16:56<Arpegius>QUESTIONmore, yes
16:57<Arpegius>Or when it's added to server with reprepro
16:57<Arpegius>It doesn't matter
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17:00<QUESTIONmore>Arpegius: u must have a cool account . I don't by the way ...
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17:00<QUESTIONmore>and probably I will never have one - all the hoops to jump through ... nah .
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17:03<Jacakala>So I'm (inconsistently) ssh-ing into a box and getting told that there's no memory left for bash to fork with. However free -m reports there's plenty of memory left and htop shows no offenders eating or leaking excess memory. The user also does not seem to be at's process limit. I'm not sure what to look into next. I didn't build this box, and know it's very ugly and poorly maintained inside. Any leads
17:03<Jacakala>for me to chase down would be greatly appreciated
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17:06<mstone>anything in dmesg?
17:06<Jacakala>Nope. A surprising lack, actually
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17:10<Arpegius>QUESTIONmore, thx, it's from Interstella 5555 of Leiji Matsumoto
17:11<mstone>what version of bash package?
17:12<Jacakala>bash v4.2.25
17:12<Jacakala>To be utterly honest going forward, this is a (god-forsaken) ubuntu server
17:12<Jacakala>But you folks here in #debian are obviously way smarter
17:12<Jacakala>But I understand if someone wouldn't want to help for that reason
17:13<annadane>i think people will answer if they know the answer and otherwise if it takes too long try ##linux on freenode
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17:18<mstone>what does free actually say?
17:18<mstone>another possibility is that you're hitting a limit (ulimit -a) e.g., on open files
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17:22<Jacakala>ulimit -a and free -m output: paste.ubuntu.com/p/KtfvRKqbvz
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17:23<Jacakala>Looks like that open files thing is only 1024. I'm not sure what is considered an open file for this count, but I wouldn't be surprised if this server is accessing that many files at a time
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17:26<mstone>it's a process limit, which is fairly unusual to hit in your shell but not impossible
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17:27<Jacakala>How can I verify that? ps -A | wc -l reports low 100s
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17:29<mstone>probably not it
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17:31<Jacakala>Oh, my bad. I misread your reply as an independent thought instead of a reply to my question
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22:05<daemons>hello ?
22:05<somiaj>hi
22:05<daemons>somiaj
22:05<daemons>did u use parrot conky ?
22:06<somiaj>!parrot
22:06<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
22:06<somiaj>we only support debian here, please use parrot's support.
22:06<daemons>i dont get it
22:07<daemons>how to install flash player on parrot ?
22:08<somiaj>parrot os is not debian, it is only based on debian. If using parrot OS, or how to install software on that operating system, use the support for parrot OS.
22:08<daemons>so we cant install wine on parrot ?
22:10<daemons>need respond!
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23:07<missmbob>gdm uses ~/.profile, correct?
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23:15<awal1>missmbob, a long story about gdm https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GDM
23:16<awal1>edited on february, up to date should be
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