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#debian IRC Logs for 2018-02-18

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03:10<K>I have a problem: I installed Siduction (Testing Debian) on my laptop and my hardware wifi button doesn't work... And even worse, it's off by default.
03:13<somiaj>!siduction
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03:13<dpkg>extra, extra, read all about it, siduction is a distribution that is <based on Debian> sid. It is not supported in #debian. Try #siduction on irc.oftc.net. http://siduction.org/
03:13<K>Thank you
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03:17<scientes>K, https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Wireless_network_configuration#Rfkill_caveat
03:17<K>Thanks, will take a look!
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03:21<scientes>K, if it comes down to recompiling your kernel to get turn off the rfkill you can buy a usb wireless card for ~$5
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03:22<K>I guess so but it still sucks it doesn't "just work" in 2018. I understand my laptop isn't very common, but still.
03:23<scientes>no that isn't the problem, the problem is that the rfkill button is taken very seriously, and you say yours is broken
03:24<scientes>or is that not the problem, does it work in windows?
03:24<K>Sorry if I was being unclear. It works perfectly in Windows.
03:25<scientes>put the output of "sudo lspci" here http://paste.debian.net/
03:26<scientes>could be you need non-free wireless firmware
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03:27<scientes>it is probably a common wireless card, just needs non-free firmware
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03:28<K>doubt there is one, the laptop is 10 years old!
03:28<scientes>can you run "lspci" in a terminal and paste the output to paste.debian.net
03:29<scientes>so we can figure out what wireless card you have
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03:30<K>I have an Intel Ultimate 5300
03:30<K>I'd have to restart to enter Sid, but I can do that if needed?
03:30<scientes>https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi https://wiki.debian.org/iwlegacy https://wiki.debian.org/ipw2200
03:30<scientes>you need one of those
03:30<scientes>probably iwlegacy
03:31<K>shouldn't these drivers be supported by default?
03:31<scientes>the firmware isn
03:31<scientes>!firmware
03:31<dpkg>Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware
03:32<K>Also I should say I really think the problem is the hardware wifi button (or its driver) because at first internet worked, but then once I touched the wifi button once to turn it off, it never turned on again
03:32<scientes>K, everything included in Debian is modifiable, and firmware usually isn't
03:32<K>so wifi worked at first
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03:32<scientes>oh
03:33<K>Basicaly after I turned wifi off once, I could never turn it back on
03:33<scientes>it is a button, not a switch?
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03:33<K>it's a touch button on the laptops keyboard
03:34<K>https://www.notebookcheck.net/fileadmin/_migrated/pics/IMG_0643_07.jpg
03:34<scientes>I have one of those on my laptop, and a RFKILL
03:34<scientes>did you try rebooting?
03:34<K>in this picture it' on the top right of the screen, the blue wifi thingy, it's touch-controlled
03:35<K>I tried restarting several times, once even after turning the wifi button ON in windows
03:35<K>but it was off by default in Sid again
03:36<K>I've had this problem before by the way, I think in one of the Arch Linux distributions as well as in Void Linux. Never managed to solve it.
03:36<scientes>sounds like a bug in udev/systemd
03:37<K>It's present in some distrubutions and not in others. I assume some have the driver and others don't, for the button ?
03:37<scientes>what distributions do not have the problem?
03:37<K>Should I report the bug? It's an old laptop and I would like the problem solved if it's really a bug, otherwise it might go unnoticed in the future.
03:37<K>There is this LXLE distribution that's based on LUBUNTU that worked perfectly in this regard
03:38<scientes>what version?
03:38<K>16.04.1 or 16.04.2
03:38<scientes>to report the bug you have to figure out what version the problem first occurs, you might be way above your head trying to figure that out
03:38<scientes>how about with 17.10?
03:39<K>no idea really, but I doubt it depends on these numbers? It could be distro specific perhaps? That way a problem could present itself in either version.
03:39<K>Or in neither, depening on distro
03:39<scientes>all the distros use the same basic stuff
03:39<scientes>the version matters much more
03:40<scientes>17.10 is october 2017, 16.04 is april 2016
03:40<scientes>it is a date
03:40<K>ah! Didn't know that
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03:45<K>I'll restart and try those rfkill commands I guess
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04:07<K>scientes I went to Sid and tried rfkill list command and it gave back results telling me NOTHING is hardblocked or softblocked anywhere. Strangely, I noticed that when I press the wifi switch button, it does not change color, but RFKILL LIST command reacts to it and then tells me hardware block is ON. So basically the button is being reacted upon. Also strangely the wifi switch button remains in orange color, meaning wifi is off, even when RFKILL LIST says it's on.
04:07<K>For example now in Windows the button is blue and if I pressed it it'd only then become orange meaning it's off.
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04:08<K>Not sure this really helps narrow down the source of the bug. I would really love to help solve this once and for all for everyone.
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04:26<b17>K: that's good you want to help solve a problem. If the light works on stable or testing then that would really narrow it down.
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05:28<grawity>K: it's possible that the light is just a standalone LED, not tied to rfkill directly, and needs to be configured by the driver -- or, on Linux, via /sys/class/leds/
05:28<grawity>there are triggers for rfkill state in there
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07:25<wonderhwy>hi
07:26<schoggi>hello wonderhwy
07:26<wonderhwy>hello schoggi
07:27<wonderhwy>@all: i need drivers from linux 4.15.3 (current "stable" from kernel.org) to make my sound work. what is the best way to use it with debian?
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07:29<bremner>upstream source can build a debian package
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09:47<Nopper>Hello!
09:48<schoggi>hello Nopper
09:48<Nopper>Hi Schoggi
09:48<Nopper>just trying
09:48<Nopper>experiment
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09:50<stripe>hi all, new hardware with uefi, can I change the boot from grub to uefi so I can just transfer the hard drive to my new box? cheers
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10:38<zer0xworld>hey
10:39<schoggi>hey zer0xworld!
10:39<zer0xworld>how are you
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12:41<pawan>hey
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12:46<bigyan>hello
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12:47<Grayson>is anyone on?????
12:47<nuovolnx>sorry, is it possible to install debian on tomtom device?
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13:06<Volley>struggeling with ACLs ... and not even sure if off-topic here (if so, please point me in a direction instead of killing me). I try to have a "share" folder where several users can read and write. Using set group bit and ACLs i managed to have every new file the correct permissions. But if a user then does a chmod g-w on a file, he is able to take away permissions from the others. How can i enforce full read-write permissions for a
13:06<Volley>whole group?
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13:47<qirex>Is anyone know something about this dolphin emulator controller problems?
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15:29<mnuhmnuh>back in the early days, there was update-menus, which (theoretically) you could/should run to update your winmgr menus of settings and available, callable software.
15:29<mnuhmnuh>i never got that working; any suggestions on that?
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15:34<mnuhmnuh>never mind. i asked that in preparation of testing it yet again and it failing, it worked. pgadmin3 is now showing up in mate's "Programming" section. ty, nm. great; finally.
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15:46<olspookishmagus>so after installing with debian-installer my network card has retained that network configuration used in the installation, how do I remove that and just put it to DHCP?
15:47<b17>mnuhmnuh: there's a desktop2menu.pl script around that has a lot of potential with debian menu, can't remember what pkg it is from though.
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15:56<Cr0>I'm setting up a third party repo following: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianRepository/UseThirdParty and would like some advice for good pratices, anyone here who might help me out?
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15:59<mnuhmnuh>olspookishmagus: what are you running; stable or testing? paste (paste.debian.net) your /etc/network/interfaces
16:00<mnuhmnuh>Cr0: i assume you understand "frankendebian"?
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16:02<Cr0>mnuhmnuh, I guess, had to google it though. I need my own repo though for software which won't make it into the official debian ones anytime soon. I have everything running really, just need some advice so it doesn't break when I key rotate and stuff.
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16:05<computing_land>you mean a repo made by you with packages made by you?
16:05<computing_land>only on your local network?
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16:07<Cr0>computing_land, Yeah, accessible from outside. I used reprepro and nginx, and configured it right. Just need some advice on how to create the repo-archive-keyring and do good practices on key rotation and so on.
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16:21*mnuhmnuh pines for the days w slackware, dl source tarball into /usr/local, type make, ...
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16:40<futune>olspookishmagus, just write dhcp instead of static in /etc/network/interfaces
16:40<futune>the debian wiki explains quite well
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18:23<wonderhwy>today i created hashes of all the files in the deb-packets in my apt-cache
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18:24<bremner>not md5 I assume, otherwise you could use debsums
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18:25<wonderhwy>wouldn't it be nice to have worldwide network of debian systems sharing the hashes of the files on their hdd? so everyone could check what the hash of the latest /usr/bin/firefox should be.
18:25<wonderhwy>no, i was creating sha256 hashes
18:26<bremner>you may be interested in the reproducible builds project
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18:26<Guest4397>anyone able to help me with compiling a program?
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18:27<itd>Guest4397: Does that depend on the program you are trying to compile? ;) (More information please.)
18:28<Guest4397>HeeksCAD unless someone knows a better one
18:28<wonderhwy>bremner: cool, i will check that out!
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18:29<Guest4397>it's been a while since on irc anyone using Smuxi and can tell me how to put name where is says guest?
18:29<somiaj>wonderhwy: md5 hashes are already stored and can be verified with debsums as well.
18:29<somiaj>ahh missed that was mentioned.
18:33<itd>Guest4397: freecad is in debian and /nick
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18:47<wonderwhy>sorry d/c
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18:49<wonderwhy>are md5s of the single files in the deb packages stored online somewhere? debsums seems to download the packages with apt to extract them.
18:50<somiaj>yes, they are part of the package's control file, I think you can get this from the tracker.
18:50<somiaj>hmm, wait, they aren't tehre. Let me look around a bit more
18:51<wonderwhy>that is very cool
18:51<wonderwhy>but md5 is a little ancient nowadays
18:52<somiaj>seems the source packages have sha sums, but this is for the .tar of the source and debian patches. Won't help verify binaries.
18:54<wonderwhy>i created some <package name>.sha256sums similiar to the isos, would like to share them with my fellow debianeers around the world
18:54<wonderwhy>but the script is still a little buggy
18:55<somiaj>if you look at /var/lib/dpkg/info/packagename.md5sums you get the list of the md5sums. I think this comes with the package, but unsure where.
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18:57<wonderhwy>ah, how could i miss it?
18:58<wonderhwy>seems writing a buggy script was easier than using grep/find :)
18:59<somiaj>this is only non-config files, or files that are shipped with the package (not ones that are generated in the install). And it appears that is part of the control fileds in the package, so if you had the .deb, youc an get the md5sums with dpkg -e to exract the control info
18:59<somiaj>you can also use dpkg -V to verrify a package using these sums.
18:59<somiaj>but I don't see an easy way to verify the sums you have locally with one on the internet without extracting the control info from the package.
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19:01<wonderhwy>does dpkg-deb --info hide some fields? how can i extract the info?
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19:02<somiaj>well there are seperate control files, so dpkg-deb --info foo.deb md5sums will print the md5sums control file
19:03<wonderhwy>ah yes, thank you
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19:04<wonderhwy>there they are!
19:04<annadane>:)
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19:07<wonderhwy>can i update the source to (also) use sha256 and convince debian admins to share md5/sha256-files separately?
19:10<somiaj>I don't know of if there is planes to change the hashes to sha256 from md5sum for binary packages. but as mentioned the reproducible builds has a strong push.
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19:12<wonderhwy>it seems not so hard to do (maybe only changing and function name) and more secure
19:13<wonderhwy>*an function name
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19:15<blast007>Packages.gz on the mirrors has both md5 and sha256 for the packages
19:17<wonderhwy>yes, but if i want to check if a file inside is still the original i need to grab the whole package.
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20:28<fhfhf>hey guys what do you recommend as a snapshot/backup program? Ive found restic, rsnapshot and snapper in the repos
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20:30<fhfhf>essentially i want something like timeshift
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20:48<Gus_>hi
20:49<Gus_>who plays gta5
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20:53<fhfhf>anyone know a good system restore program?
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20:54<terrible>i need an app similir to tuxcut or how can i install tuxcut in debian stretch cause it give me a error
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20:58<wonderhwy>arpalert maybe?
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20:59<wonderhwy>what is the error? did you install the dependencies?
21:00<awal1>terrible, tuxcut is an abandoned project
21:01<awal1>will not work under debian. check mdk3 or similar pkgs
21:02<awal1>btw, this is not a hacking stuff channel
21:02<terrible>awal1: i can block internet access with mdk3?
21:02<wonderhwy>you can also use a firewall
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21:03<awal1>terrible, read docs
21:04<terrible>awal1: there is no gui for that?
21:05<awal1>you have several tools for achieve what tuxcut is supposed to do (ettercap, dsniff utilities, yersinia, scapy and and and....)
21:06<terrible>ok
21:07<awal1>tuxcut, wifikill and such poor software are almos scripts combining features of a few pkgs
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21:08<terrible>yes that is what i notice
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21:56<Luke>Like ur name
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22:22<jez>Hi is anyone able to help me out with a Debian related problem?
22:23<awal1>dpkg: ask
22:23<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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22:26<jez>I have debian 9.3.0 amdc6 cinnamon installed on a laptop, however once I sign in, I get a blank screen with a moveable cursor https://i.imgur.com/JievzSr.jpg
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22:26<jez>Trying to access a terminal causes the cursor to disappear and the terminal does not open
22:28<awal1>cinnamon have two mode if not wrong: "standard" one and "rendering something"; choose normal/standard mode when in login screen (display manager), jez
22:28<awal1>that just a suggestion
22:29<awal1>I don't use cinnamon; just talking in the air
22:30<jez>At login I can choose between Cinnamon, Cinnamon (Software Rendering) and Default Xsession
22:30<jez>All three give me the same result
22:34<awal1>check your xsession errors and xorg logs
22:35<jez>How can I check those?
22:39<awal1>jez, login in console (ttyX) do " ls -a" and "ls .local/share/xorg" than open .xsession-... and Xorg.... with cat or less
22:39<awal1>check if you find any interesting report
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22:40<awal1>me, dinner time :P
22:42<awal1>jez, are you new to gnu/linux?
22:43<jez>A bit, I'm trying to ditch Windows10 dut to privacy
22:43<jez>the xorg folder does not exist
22:43<jez>but .local/share does
22:43<awal1>in that case, I suggest you to try a more stable and easy to use desktop environment; something like mate or xfce
22:44<awal1>I mean if you are noob
22:44<jez>I was told cinnamon was most liek windows
22:44<awal1>almost kde
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22:45<jez>IF that is the case, do I have to download the iso again but for mate?
22:45<awal1>mate is also similar in looking to win7
22:45<jez>or can i remove cinnamon and install from commandline
22:45<awal1>that
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22:46<awal1>just do: apt update && apt install mate-desktop-environment
22:47<awal1>as root
22:48<awal1>if you like mate and all works fine, you can remove cinnamon if that doesnt matter for you
22:48<awal1>or do clean install (reinstall) choosing mate DE durring install for have everything fresh
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22:49<awal1>well, i am not answering your first question after all, just suggesting stuff
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22:53<jez>Is mate considered more reliable than cinnamon?
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22:54<awal1>reliable is a "big" word
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22:58<jez>I've just done "apt update && apt install mate-desktop-environment" , What do I have to do now to start mate?
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22:59<awal1>choose mate instead of cinnamon in you login screen
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23:01<jez>That's fixed my problem, I now have a working desktop
23:01<jez>Thanks
23:02<jez>Should I remove cinnamon?
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23:11<sdk>jez: You can have multiple desktop env installed at the same time.
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23:12<ageis>what's the cmd to restore the ownership of folders under /var/run I accidentally chowned?
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23:13<sdk>ageis: hmm the same one you use by accident?
23:14<ageis>lol but i thought apt could restore perms without overwriting
23:14<ageis>its all different packages
23:14<ageis>some have users and groups
23:14<ageis>some dont
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