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#debian IRC Logs for 2018-02-22

---Logopened Thu Feb 22 00:00:09 2018
---Daychanged Thu Feb 22 2018
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00:00<contrib>all rm files are restorable why not using secure wipe by default
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00:02-!-miklcct is "Michael Tsang" on #debian-next #osm #debian
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00:03-!-nowhere_man is "Pierre Thierry" on #concatenative #emacs #git #erights #lisp #debian-kde #debian
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00:05<b17>contrib: because there isn't a method that is portable to all filesystems on all devices?
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00:11<gt8ost4l>does anybody know where the software ppa file is in debian?
00:12<somiaj>ppa repos are made for ubuntu, not debian.
00:12<contrib>yeah
00:12<gt8ost4l>somiaj so what does debian got?
00:13<somiaj>gt8ost4l: debian packages most software and provides it thorough its single repo.
00:13<somiaj>gt8ost4l: it is suggested you use software from there. If software is not provided by debian there are a few safe ways to get it. Read the following link form the bot, it contains some pointers.
00:13<somiaj>!don't break debian
00:13<dpkg>dont break debian is probably https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian
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04:40<briner>Hi, I'm wanting to have unattended-upgrades only working on monday. Checking the files of this packages, I do not see any cron. I strongly suspect it to work by apt telling it to do it. If so, how can I tell apt to do the upgrade only on monday ?
04:41<tds>Briner - on a modern system, it'll use systemd timers, iirc
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04:43<briner>tds: you mean debian 9. And so, was I right when I said that unattended-upgrades is launched by the apt tools. In that case, I should concentrate on how apt is launched by a timer !
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04:45<tds>briner: this post may be useful: https://askubuntu.com/a/831206
04:45<arcade>Hello, I'm not exactly a first timer with linux, but I'm hitting issues with my current distro, and I want to try out Debian again (it's been a while). I'm wondering if there's a good guide that people know of to really get into debian beyond the base install
04:47<briner>tds: I get a look
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04:50<briner>and it seems really interesting !
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04:51<s_20>arcade: imho it makes more sense to just kind of try it out and resolve issues as they come along, that's usually a pretty good learning experience
04:51<jm_>!reference
04:51<dpkg>The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. The latest version (v2) is at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ . Read it after installing Debian and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install this too, the package name is debian-reference: «aptitude install debian-reference»
04:52<jm_>arcade: is ^^^^ what you are looking for?
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04:53<arcade>jm_ I'm looking for a guide more in regard to available packages outside of the package manager, different repos people have made, tips and tricks to fix issues (for example when I tried debian in the past flash wasn't so good). I know that in terms of irc usually people adopt a "why don't you read the manual" approach to things, but what I'm asking sort of has to be opinionated, so I'm more than accepting of answers that seem opinio
04:53<arcade>nated.
04:58<arcade>basically I want a human response more than a computer'ish response. What have you found that makes debian great aside from the obvious stability? Is there a package that you really love that I could try out? I don't care if it's a new desktop or a version of wine that works really well or something else.
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05:07<arcade>Oh well, I'll install it and see what happens. I'm sure I'll have the same question even if I use it for a year, and that's not a bad thing to have or say. Have a good one!
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08:11<Darcidride__>Hi everyone, im on Debian Buster, and it seems like the "libsdl2-mixer-dev" package delivered with the distribution isn't compiled with OGG support compilation parameter, this result, for example, with this kind of error : "ERROR: Could not initialize mixer: OGG support not available", you can find here some more information about my installed debian/packages : http://pastebin.centos.org/561531/ If a maintainer of this package is online and
08:11<Darcidride__>available, im open to test with him (if no answer in the next hours, i will fill a bug report)
08:13<Brigo>Darcidride__, for Buster issues use #debian-next channel. Anyway i think you will not find a maintainer now and here,i would go for that bug report.
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08:14<Darcidride__>Brigo, ok, thank you for the information, I will try on the 'next' channel and then fill a bug report :)
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08:30<nito>hello
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08:33<nito>can anyone help me about my video driver
08:33<petn-randall>!ask
08:33<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
08:33<petn-randall>nito: ^^^
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08:35<nito>I just need to install the driver but i dont know even my video card
08:35<nito>all i know it is an old card
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08:37<towo^work>lspci | grep -i vga
08:37<towo^work>that is telling you your installed card
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08:39<nito>Its says its amd/ati rv630 pro [radeon hd 2600 pro]
08:39<towo^work>then install firmware-amd-graphics and all is good
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08:41<nito>i did
08:41<nito>should i restart my pc?
08:41<towo^work>sure
08:42<nito>ok
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08:42<nito>thank you very much for the help
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08:55<silver>there used to be a list of dependecies in a table showing if any packages were broken or conflicted, does anyone know what im talking about or where to find it?
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09:16<b17>silver: I think most apt utils have some way to check broken, which do you use?
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09:24<silver>aptitude but mostly synaptic
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09:25<silver>i dont want to check for packages brokenon my local system but for incoming packages in a repository/distribution
09:26<petn-randall>silver: Broken in what sense?
09:26<petn-randall>silver: Note that there are zero conflicting packages in all 40,000+ packages in stable.
09:27<ach>*smile
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09:29<silver>indeed stable is very harmonized and structured :)
09:30<silver>perhaps i should be asking this question in #debian-next even though its not distribution specific
09:31<silver>it may have been a page on alioth
09:31<silver>im having a hard time remembering
09:31<petn-randall>silver: Well, you can list already broken packages via 'aptitude search ~b', but there's not CLI that can tell you that for not yet installed packages.
09:32<petn-randall>silver: Maybe https://qa.debian.org/dose/?
09:34<silver>i think thats very close thank you
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09:41<silver>thanks you pointed me in the right direction
09:41<silver>https://qa.debian.org/developer.php
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10:01<silver>and this aswell https://piuparts.debian.org/
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10:01<petn-randall>Ah, good to hear. You're welcome, silver!
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10:37<Johan>Greetings. Short question regarding installation of Debian with a software Raid.
10:38<Johan>I have 4 2TB Sata disks that I want to configure with RAID5
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10:38<Johan>This should as far as I know give me a 6TB raid volume
10:38<Johan>But when I configure all disks (3Active +1 standby) I only get 4
10:38<Johan>TB
10:39<Johan>Where is a good place to start troubleshooting this?
10:39<blast007>the standby wouldn't be part of the array - it would be a spare for when one of the other 3 fail
10:39<Johan>right
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10:39<blast007>so you'd only be getting the equivilent capacity of 2 of the 4, since the equivilent of one drive will be used for parity
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10:39<Johan>ah I thought the spare was the parity
10:40<blast007>nope
10:40<Johan>but OK then I know the mistake
10:40<Johan>thanks
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10:40<blast007>are these regular consumer grade drives?
10:40<Johan>maybe
10:40<Johan>:D
10:41<Johan>I am installing debian on a old qnap
10:41<Johan>I think its 3 WD Green and 1 WD Red
10:41<Johan>but all are rather old and might fail any day
10:41<blast007>so it's not gonna be super important data on there?
10:42<Johan>no
10:42<blast007>k, then it's good enough for experimenting :)
10:43<blast007>the WD Reds and their more enterprisey drives deal with rebuilds better
10:43<Johan>jupp. especially now when qnap wont update that platform anymore
10:44<Johan>yes but the 3 greens has been going for about 5 years now so. I run until they fail and then replace if needed
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11:46<mdj>Hi to everybody
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11:46<mdj>How to check someones IP on skype? Without sniffing?
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12:43<Sue>I can logon to my debian from console. But why it always says password not correct when I try to logon from ssh?
12:46<blast007>do you have password login disabled for SSH?
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12:59<somiaj>Sue: what user are you trying to ssh as?
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13:00<Sue>root
13:00<Sue>oh, it says permission denied
13:00<somiaj>by default root is not allowed to log in via ssh with a password.
13:01<somiaj>you will have to either change the default setup for ssh, or setup a key to use root with ssh
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13:09<jhutchins_wk>Sue: It's expected that you'll connect as a normal user then use su - or sudo -i.
13:10<somiaj>mostly due to the fact, that bots will try to brute force hack your server with the user root, so disabling root does increase default security qutie a bit.
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13:12<Sue>It works
13:12<Sue>thanks
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13:36<ilmaisin>hello
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13:36<ilmaisin>what could be wrong with my openbox-menu in stretch, it only outputs "File applications.menu doesn't exist. Can't create menu."
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13:39<grawity>looks like the only menus exist for individual DEs, based on $XDG_MENU_PREFIX
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14:02<jhutchins_wk>ilmaisin: Sounds like the kind of thing that happens when you run GUI tools as root. Permissions get munged.
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14:04<ilmaisin>jhutchins_wk: i just solved it by creating symlink from /etc/xdg/menus/applications. menu to /etc/xdg/menus/gnome-applications.menu
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14:17<ToffeeYogurtPots>I'm looking for a mini-pcie wireless adapter with a libre driver (like ath9k) that supports 5GHz connections. I've searched through h-node, kernel.org and the Debian wiki but I've not had much luck. Does anyone on here have any recommendations?
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14:19<somiaj>ToffeeYogurtPots: most wifi cards use libre drivers. I assume you are talking about the non-free firmware. In which case is hard to avoid, out side of using flashing librefirmware on your hardware and using ath9k, I don't know of any altenratives for full open firmware.
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14:51<spacebug[m]1>any reason package docker.io is not in Stretch but in Jessie and Sid ?
14:52<annadane>!why isn't docker.io in stretch
14:52<annadane>dpkg: why isn't docker.io in stretch
14:52<annadane>oh well fine then
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14:54<b17>try tracker.debian.org/pkg/pkgname ?
14:54<annadane>probably due to bugs.debian.org/835760 bugs.debian.org/839364 bugs.debian.org/839461 bugs.debian.org/839474
14:54<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/835760 in src:golang-golang-x-tools (closed, sid, stretch): «golang-golang-x-tools: FTBFS: Tests failures»; severity: serious; opened: 2016-08-28; last modified: 2017-01-27.
14:54<annadane>yeah, just too lazy to mouse over to the web browser :P
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15:18<annadane>ok
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16:45<Corubba>i have a box running stretch, which has no direct internet access but gets packages via apt-cacher-ng running on another box. Worked great for as long I can think. When I wanted to install todays kernel security update, the update failed because it tried to get the package directly instead of going through acng. Checked sources.list, no idea why. Any pointers?
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16:48<Corubba>funnily enough I could install the gcc update without problems
16:48<Corubba>it seems its just the kernel package thats borked
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16:51<somiaj>what command are you running to do the upgrade?
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16:52<somiaj>there was another abi jump on the kernel package, so it has to install a new package, not just upgrade a current package.
16:53<Corubba>apt update, apt upgrade with updates gcc, and then apt dist-upgrade which failed because he couldn't download the linux-image-4.9.0 package
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16:53<Corubba>*which updated gcc
16:54<somiaj>maybe paste the actual output of what failed. It is working here, and I'm unsure what the issue could be. What error do you get when trying to download, 404 or something else?
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16:57<Corubba>https://ptpb.pw/6xTB
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16:59<Corubba>as I said, he downloads gcc fine through acng, but for some reason tries to get linux directly from a official mirror, which fails because my firewall blocks all direct internet access for that box.
16:59<somiaj>output of apt policy linux-image-4.9.0-6-amd64
17:00<somiaj>but it appears you are trying to connect to somthing using ipv6, and a different mirror than you got the other secuirty updates from.
17:00<Corubba>exactly, and I dont knwo why. The box is ipv6 only.
17:01<somiaj>so output of the apt policy command, and just apt policy in general
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17:04<Corubba>https://ptpb.pw/vj--
17:05<somiaj>I don't see why it is trying to use this other mirror, so unsure. You get the same error if you try to apt install linux-image-4.9.0-6-amd64 directly?
17:06<Corubba>yeah, same error.
17:07<Corubba>I don't even know where the other mirror comes from (some hardcoded default?)
17:08<somiaj>I don't think so.
17:08<somiaj>did you check both /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
17:08<somiaj>even then I would thinkt he mirror would be listed in your apt-policy
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17:10<Corubba>yeah, sources.list only has my acng (only deb lines, added deb-src today as a test) and sources.list.d is empty (also no dotfiles)
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17:12<somiaj>might be some networking issue, because if I go here, I see the package, http://security-cdn.debian.org/pool/updates/main/l/linux/
17:12<somiaj>I'm unsure why it is giving you a connection refused.
17:14<Corubba>because my firewall blocks all internet access for that box. I can see the connection dropped in my fw log.
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17:14<Corubba>it has to go through the apt-cacher-ng box
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17:25<super_koza>Hi all!
17:26<super_koza>I've got some issues with GRUB and need your help.
17:27<annadane>super_koza, yeah, go ahead and ask your question
17:27<super_koza>Situation is as follows: When I turn on the PC and let it be, it boot directly into Windows, without ever coming to GRUB. If I turn on the PC and press F11 to choose the bootable device, I can see a device called Debian.
17:28<super_koza>GRUB is then shown, and I can choose between Debian and Windows, Debian being the default option.
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17:29<super_koza>I find it funny that the "Debian disk" has the same identification as the SSD it is on. However, if I choose the SSD itself, Windows is booted up again.
17:29<ach>Ho
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17:30<somiaj>Corubba: is your pat-cacher-ng box up to date, maybe install the update there first. I don't know apt-cacher-ng that well, so unsrue why it isn't working like it should
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17:30<super_koza>My only guess is that I fucked up something with UEFI/legacy options, but that shouldn't be the case. Any ideas?
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17:33<Corubba>somiaj, updated the acng box before the problem box without problems
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17:34<Corubba>(using itself in the sources.list)
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17:35<Corubba>the package is already cached there, I will just copy it over and hope this problem never happens again :3
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17:39<Corubba>super_koza, so your desired state is that grub is used by default?
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17:42<super_koza>Yes.
17:43<super_koza>I tried to set that disk as the default boot option, but I couldn't find it. I guess because it isn't really a disk...
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17:44<somiaj>super_koza: efi boot info lives in an efi partition, so you can have multiple .efi files on the same efi partition (one for grub, one for windows).
17:44<somiaj>sounds to me like you need to configure your firmware as to which efi file to use as default
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17:47<ach>somiaj forgive my laugh on firmware :<
17:47<ach>Hehe
17:49<Corubba>accurate thou. BIOS and UEFI are mainboard firmware types.
17:50<ach>ok
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17:52<b17>isnt there a efibootmgr that gets pulled in by grub on these machines?
17:52<b17>I dont own one myself, sounds complicated
17:52<Corubba>it does
17:53<ach>i am on Jessie vmware
17:53<ach>so but rofl on fix
17:53<Corubba>`efibootmgr -v` will tell you what efi entries there are and what the order is
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17:55<ach>hi
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17:58<super_koza>Thanks for the tips! I will take a look into it. This is actually the first time that I deal with efi hardware, so it is unknown for me...
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17:59<b17>super_koza: should be something in the installation guide
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18:19<Corubba>damn, have the same package download error on a different machine. with a different package thou.
18:20<Corubba>this iisue gets wierder and wierder
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18:22<b17>The net is causing a lot of people issues lately, I'm trying to cut down.
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18:58<rob_debian>my laptop was accidentally knocked over by my little son, it was off, but I do not know if there is any internal damage
18:59<rob_debian>When I turned it on, it flashed an intermittent alarm and then stopped, as Debian was initialized. USB and hdmi drives are ok.
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18:59<rob_debian>Please, is there any command that can be used to make a technical diagnosis ?
19:00<somiaj>If things appear to run okay, I would say it is fine. You can look at the output of dmesg, lshw, and see if everything looks okay. But I would only worry about it if you notice any problems afterwards.
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19:05<rob_debian>hi somiaj, thank you for attention... all keyboard is ok too, using some applications and they look ok
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19:07<blast007>some laptops do have drop sensors so that they can park the hard drive before the impact, though some may depend on special Windows drivers
19:08<blast007>was the 'alarm' a normal power on beep or something unusual?
19:09<rob_debian>here you are the output of 'dmesg' command, somiaj https://paste.debian.net/1011573/
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19:10<rob_debian>Hi blast007, thank you for information ! this laptop was turned off when it's fallen from the desk
19:10<rob_debian>it was powered off
19:11<rob_debian>something unusual, blast007, it never happened again
19:12<rob_debian>something like a beep, but it has finished when debian initialization was going on
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19:19<rob_debian>well, there's a light here that is damaged
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19:19<rob_debian>thank you blast007 and somiaj for great support !
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19:37<draeath>If I'm looking to backport to stable for myself, should I include all the various buster dists in my deb-src lines, or just the main buster? sid is less of a question, since there's just sid :)
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19:39<draeath>i would expect buster to not have updates or proposed-updates as it's not released. But i'm not sure, as I see them on the mirrors.
19:39<somiaj>you only need the deb-src that contains the soruce you need, which is most likely the main sources.
19:40<somiaj>they are mostly placekeepers, but most likely not needed.
19:40<draeath>ok, thank you! (done patches and the like for maintainers, but have never had to deal with the release phases part of things)
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21:18<joze>HOLA HOLA A TODOS
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21:44<xxzz>hi ach
21:47<ach>hi
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21:50<Asara>hey all, anyone here using a wifi device with the RTL8812AU chipset?
21:50<Asara>For some reason when my machine boots up, the network never properly comes up. I can ping the device, but systemd doesn't see it as up. ip link shows it as up but without an IP, but I'm able to ping that IP remotely
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21:51<xxzz>you need a firmware
21:52<Asara>It gets the IP
21:52<Asara>after about a minute or two
21:52<Asara>but what ends up happening is it halts the startup of everything else
21:53<xxzz>are you using NetworkManager
21:54<Asara>systemd-networkd
21:54<Asara>and wpa_supplicant
21:55<ach>yeah i would look on firmware error other seems deprecated.
21:55<Asara>what firmware are you talking about specifically?
21:55<blast007>does dmesg mention anything about missing firmware?
21:56<Asara>nope :/
21:56<Asara>when the computer ends up coming up
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21:57<Asara>sometimes the device shows up as UP/DORMANT
21:57<xxzz>halt of boot is normal and shouldn't be an issue
21:57<Asara>not sure what dormant means here
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21:58<Asara>and sometimes it automatically connects and sometimes i need to restart systemd-networkd, and i'll get an ip like 5 seconds later
21:58<ach>had some issue on a avm wireless even it was detected in gnome network manager in sniff availible
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22:00<Asara>https://pastebin.com/wXt7QmXd
22:00<Asara>my dmesg
22:00<Asara>not sure if anything useful there
22:00<Asara>starting from the point of the module initilizing
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22:03<xxzz>cant see you link
22:05<blast007>says it's a private paste. also, use a better pastebin, such as http://paste.debian.net/
22:05<Asara>woops sorry
22:05<Asara>https://pastebin.com/WEbJqVtq
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22:06<sdk>blast007: s/http/https/g ;)
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22:08<Asara>and my systemd-networkd logs: http://paste.debian.net/1011586/
22:09<Asara>on this reboot it was able to finally connect like a minute later
22:09<Asara>but the amount of time it takes to come up, it still causes systemd-networkd-wait-online.service to fail
22:09<Asara>i've had to disable all my kvms because of it
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22:11<Asara>and on the wpa supplicant side, i get a successful negotiation at 22:04:16...
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22:14<xxzz>what you got in / etc/systemd/network/*
22:15<Asara>http://paste.debian.net/1011588/
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22:15<Asara>single file with those contents
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22:20<xxzz>looks fine
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22:26<Asara>even with wicd, it takes forever on obtaining IP
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22:27<Asara>maybe its aproblem with the device/kernel module
22:27<Asara>idk...
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22:27<somiaj>Asara: and you have firmware-realtek installed?
22:27<Asara>but it seems to work for others
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22:28<Asara>somiaj: yes, but the firmware doesn't include RTL8812AU
22:28<Asara>as far as I know
22:28<Asara>I'm currently using this: https://github.com/aircrack-ng/rtl8812au
22:29<xxzz>yeah
22:29<xxzz>firmware has RTL8812AE not AU
22:29<Asara>Yeah I haven't been able to find a device that supports wireless AC that works with linux that doesn't use the RTL8812AU firmware
22:29<Asara>So I got one, and I assumed I could get it working with debian
22:30<Asara>it works natively on ubuntu/kali linux
22:30<Asara>not sure what I'm doing wrong here
22:30<somiaj>Asara: Are you using the same firmware they use, or double check maybe diffrences in the module being used.
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22:32<Asara>I'm using the module they us in kali klinux
22:32<somiaj>Asara: also could it be a newer kernel issue?
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22:32<Asara>Kali is also using 4.14 (i'm on debian testing)
22:34<somiaj>maybe look at the config file for the kali vs debian kernel might help regarding the module. In the future testing support is better addressed in #debian-next.
22:35<Asara>Alright thanks.
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