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00:21<daniele>hi! is somehow the deb for libsigsegv2 corrupted in the sid archives?
00:21<daniele>dpkg has an hard time unpacking it on my system
00:21<dpkg>no idea, daniele
00:22<noahm>daniele: what's the error?
00:22<mnuhmnuh>daniele: sid & testing == #debian-next
00:23*noahm wonders why he's still in this channel...
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00:24<daniele>noahm: dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/libsigsegv2_2.12-1_amd64.deb (--unpack):
00:24<daniele> fgets gave an empty string from '/var/lib/dpkg/info/libsigsegv2:amd64.triggers'
00:25<noahm>hm. it works for me.
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00:25<daniele>noahm: what do you mean it works for you? have you tried to download the .deb and unpack it?
00:25<noahm>yep, just tried it.
00:26<themill>the entire output is probably needed, plus the content of the triggers file
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00:26<noahm>daniele: https://paste.debian.net/1011840/ is what I see
00:27<noahm>daniele: yeah, what themill said. if you can show more context, similar to what's in my paste, that might help.
00:27<daniele>themill: noahm: the deb does not unpack
00:28<noahm>yeah. like I said, it does for me. Can you show more context?
00:28<noahm>Also, is everything else ok on your system? enough disk space, etc?
00:29<themill>daniele: the full apt run and the contents of '/var/lib/dpkg/info/libsigsegv2:amd64.triggers' in a pastebin would be most helpful
00:29<daniele># dpkg --unpack /var/cache/apt/archives/libsigsegv2_2.12-1_amd64.deb
00:29<daniele>(Reading database ... 43358 files and directories currently installed.)
00:29<daniele>Preparing to unpack .../libsigsegv2_2.12-1_amd64.deb ...
00:29<themill>please use a pastebin
00:29<daniele>dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/libsigsegv2_2.12-1_amd64.deb (--unpack):
00:29<daniele> fgets gave an empty string from '/var/lib/dpkg/info/libsigsegv2:amd64.triggers'
00:29<daniele>Errors were encountered while processing:
00:29<daniele> /var/cache/apt/archives/libsigsegv2_2.12-1_amd64.deb
00:29<dpkg>daniele: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
00:29-!-mode/#debian [+o themill] by ChanServ
00:30<@themill>has that flood finished?
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00:35<mnuhmnuh>this would all be so simple if people would install pastebinit. $anycommand | pastebinit ... kaching! works. :-|
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00:40<themill>yeah, not so hot if you haven't already it, unfortunately
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00:40<themill>something that was small enough to be in the "standard task" would be nice
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00:44<mnuhmnuh>it's a python script!
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00:44<mnuhmnuh>sheesh.
00:45<mnuhmnuh>sorry, don't mean to be rude.
00:46<themill>it's barely well enough maintained to be in stable, let alone in standard task
00:47<coruja>https://git.siduction.org/extra/simple-paste
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00:52<mnuhmnuh>themill: true, i did have to edit ~/.pastebinit, but once done, works brilliantly. that's trivial maint. prob./easy fix/grr ... :-)
00:52<themill>it would be trivial for the maintainer to fix, yes
00:53<themill>well, the maintainer can't edit things in ~/ but they could have fixed the default config
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00:57<mnuhmnuh>themill: if you want to use irc, and get support via irc, wouldn't scanning a five line long file (~/.pastebinit) pay? i think so. ~/.pastebinit != sendmail config, ff... :-)
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01:00<themill>I have no idea what you're saying
01:05<mnuhmnuh>coruja: doesn't exist in debian testing / buster. talk to #debian-mentors for help to get it in. pastebinit works for me.
01:06<themill>it'd be nicer if it could talk to paste.d.n ;)
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01:23<cheako>Hello, what pkg provides a menu-methods for creating FreeDesktop(.desktop) menus?
01:24<themill>By creating, I assume you mean a GUI for the user to make their own?
01:24<themill>Most desktop environments have some sort of menu editor for that
01:24<cheako>themill: like /etc/menu-method/<file>
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01:25<cheako>I didn't say that because I didn't know if there was another place under /usr/share or something.
01:25<themill>ah, they
01:25<themill>ah, they're unused
01:26<cheako>Someone else said that, but they are still used for fluxbox and many other applications that provide menus.
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01:27<themill>Either fluxbox is supposed to start supporting xdg .desktop files or there's supposed to be a shim to convert them; I don't know which way that has gone
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01:28<cheako>themill: Then why was menu-methods ever written? I every application is just supposed to read Debian menu files then why have scripts that create configuration file.... No not every application is going to read the menu files of YOUR choice.
01:30<themill>I have no idea how this menu stuff was ever intended to work. I do know that it is no longer maintained.
01:31<cheako>themill: What's wrong with it? Does it even need a maintainer?
01:31<themill>it needs every maintainer
01:31<themill>basically, the xdg menu spec overtook it
01:31<cheako>and clearly that's not the case.
01:32<themill>*shrug*
01:32<cheako>There are many applications that are not ever going to read .desktop files and debian has no update scripts or menu-method scripts for them.
01:33<cheako>So you might ask when is .desktop files ever going to replace the debian menu system?
01:34<cheako>Yeah, so Debian is just getting more and more broken every day.
01:34<b17>cheako: are you trying to convert .desktop to menu or the other way?
01:34<themill>either someone has packaged the tools to turn .desktop files into menu files or not enough people care about them. I don't know which it is.
01:35<cheako>The other way... Although something that converts the one way and is called by update-menus would be a great idea.
01:35<themill>such tools exist; if they aren't in debian it's because people love to complain but not to do
01:36<cheako>I've used a script that lived in /etc/menu-methods, istalled by some gnome package, that created the .desktop files from debian menu files... This used to work.
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01:36<b17>try pkg devscripts there is a desktop2menu.pl in there, but it's not perfect
01:37<cheako>If ppl want to not ship debian menu files with thire app, then wouldn't it be them who has some coding to do?
01:37<b17>the reason menu has been replaced is some bug or other about policy i think.
01:37<b17>they arent suppoesd to provide both
01:38<themill>cheako: no, it's much better if people who actually use this stuff do it. I used to ship menu files that I had *never* tested and was never going to. That's silly.
01:38<cheako>Yeah, I noticed that... Debian menus was never policy, but FreeDesktop(.desktop) menus clearly has a policy.
01:38<themill>I'm much happier not shipping untested stuff in the packages I maintain.
01:39<b17>there used to be a github with a lot of older menu files i have been looking for it
01:39<cheako>themill: There are vary well developers who ship .desktop files they have never tested.
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01:39<themill>many many fewer
01:40<themill>settling on a cross-distro supported spec rather than something that was Debian-only seems like a better outcome for the ecosystem
01:40<cheako>themill: If you don't ship a menu file then how do you know how much suck your pkgs are in fluxbox? Ever test 100s of menu commands?
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01:41<themill>the fluxbox people were supposed to make it handle desktop files
01:42<cheako>themill: Not is that spec sucks worse than not having a spec, don't just blindly ship stuff and think that no one will ever call you on it.
01:42<themill>?
01:42<cheako>themill: No, not every one thinks the way you do.
01:42<b17>test 100s of menu files? on what are you building a distro
01:42<cheako>b17: Test the applications that draw menus.
01:43<cheako>With your menu file.
01:43<b17>well it's a dead spec like themill said no point in an argument, but i feel the pain.
01:44<cheako>It's not dead, it's just that ppl don't care about something they clearly should care about... Menu consistency has lost importance over following a spec that clearly is not the best of a large distro like debian.
01:45<themill>no, menu was already bitrotting fast
01:45<cheako>Still I didn't ask about that... I asked about making my package support fluxbox and gnome.
01:45<b17>I kind of agree it's not best, but .desktop is portable and that means a lot
01:45<themill>actually, you didn't ask that at all
01:46<cheako>It doesn't mean anything to a single distro... Unless we are talking about compatibility with kfreebsd or something.
01:46<themill>cheako: if this is suddenly a packaging question, #packaging or #debian-mentors is more appropriate (depending on whether it's a debian packaging question or not)
01:46<cheako><cheako> Hello, what pkg provides a menu-methods for creating FreeDesktop(.desktop) menus?
01:47<cheako>All I got back was some rant about .desktop being better.
01:47<themill>you didn't
01:47<cheako>And that's just not the real story.
01:47<themill>but I give up... HAND
01:48<b17>you dont *need* a pkg .desktop ate txt files, but there might be a gui
01:48<cheako>The policy says not to ship both and that's something I think we all can agree on.
01:49<b17>yeah and both are so complicated there isn;t a convertor it was driving mainainers nuts
01:49<cheako>I'm wondering what pkg my pkg should recommend for getting the menu to work in gnome as right now it clearly doesn't... I tested multiple menu systems.
01:50<cheako>b17: I use a converted, it worked for me.
01:52<cheako>we could and should extend Debian menus so it supports all the features of FreeDesktop(.desktop) menus. If converting files is the problem that shouldn't that raise a red flag that something is wrong?
01:52<b17>i didnt understand when you say get the menu to work in gnome, you mean add your app to it?
01:53<cheako>b17: There once was a script that existed in /etc/menu-methods that created .desktop files for all the debian menu files.
01:53<b17>gnome doesn't do debian menu afaik unless you do xdg2menu or some such, it might be gone now.
01:53<b17>yeah i remember, try searching for xdg2menu or such
01:53<b17>menu2xdg?
01:54<b17>maybe xdgmenu, I used to do that on all my desktops
01:54<cheako>b17: The Debian menu system's basic princible is that applications that drew menus would provide a menu-method script that would be run once for each menu file, this script would create or change the menu's configuration files so that the menu item would work as expected.
01:55<b17>yeah, IF the desktop supports debina menu
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01:55<b17>which they dont anymore, it's all .desktop files now
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01:56<cheako>Not all, fluxbox for sure uses the Debian menu system and I suspect there are more... Some programs are never going to be changed and that's the ackillies heal for xdg menus.
01:57<b17>yeah i use fluxbox too, i understand what you are saying, but what's the point?
01:57<cheako>I'm not saying it won't work I'm just saying Debian needs to add the same packaging hooks Debian menu had to run the menu-method scripts.
01:58<cheako>Edumication.
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01:58<b17>ok well good luck with that
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02:00<cheako>hah, rotflmao.
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02:00<cheako>!menu-xdg
02:01<cheako>menu-xdg contains menu-methods to convert the Debian menu structure to...
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02:18<cheako>b17 themill: This is working great now.
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02:19<themill>great ;)
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02:22<jm>can you check if a package is installed already?
02:23<jm>my touchpad works, but I do not see the feature for tap to click in my xfce settings
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02:25<cheako>jm: dpkg --get-selections
02:25<cheako>well that's my fav way.
02:25<jm>cheako, thx
02:26<b17>jm, i had to turn tapping on with a .conf file for libinput, it's not too hard
02:26<jm>b17, used to be a click of an input box in mouse and touchpad setting for xfce
02:27<b17>yeah but some of the tools still expect synaptic i think
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02:29<cheako>jm: I had to look this up myself as it was bothering me. https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/337008/activate-tap-to-click-on-touchpad
02:29<b17>maybe one solution here http://paste.debian.net/1011845
02:30<b17>i switched back to synaptic after awhile
02:32<jm>Maybe I can just install xserver-xorg-input-synaptics?
02:32<jm>scrolling with two fingers works, so some kinda touchpad driver is working
02:33<b17>seems all the kde touchpad stuff needs synaptics, so that maybe the issue
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02:35<jm>I am using xfce4
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02:35<deltam>hi, I want to reversibly disable /etc/cron.d/fcheck for a while ... can i do that by renaming that file? if so what name would you suggest? or is there a better way
02:37<jm>I found it. I'm not sure if it showed up after installing that synaptics package or if it was there before and I didn't notice it, but a new tap showed up
02:38<cheako>deltam: Don't know about that one specifically, but try looking at /etc/defaults/fcheck
02:38<jm>I think it was there the whole time, I just didn't notice the tab area in the settings windows
02:38<cheako>If there isn't a configuration there I'd say it's a missing feature.
02:39<deltam>i am reading man 8 run-parts, it mentions "the Debian cron script namespace" and gives a regex
02:39<deltam>and the regex does not include '.' so i am thinking fcheck.disable might work
02:41<cheako>cron.d is not run by run-parts, that should look like a regular crontab.
02:41<deltam>ah yeah good point, i am new to this but that makes sense
02:43<jm>No more ifconfig
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02:43<jm>iwconfig still there.
02:45<cheako>jm: I wonder how I look at the frame counters without ifconfig? I guess I should figure that out.
02:47<cheako>ip -s link
02:47<deltam>i found my answer, it is documented in man 8 cron under the heading DEBIAN SPECIFIC
02:50<jm>cheako, thx
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04:02<spacebug[m]1>how do write in this channel to see why a package is no longer in the repository? The package in question is docker.io which I need to make a eocker image for a program. It's in sid and jessie-backports but not in stretch. Want to know whats stopping it from beeing added to stretch etc.
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04:05<awal1>an alternative is check pts website
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04:07<awal1>or changelogs
04:07<awal1>apt changelog yourpkg
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04:12<spacebug[m]1>hu?
04:15<b17>spacebug[m]1: this docker.io question came up the other day, try bug page, or https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/docker.io
04:15<spacebug[m]1>b17: thank you very much
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04:23<absenta>aplay -D plughw:0,7 /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav acts as if it plays sound but also nothing
04:23<absenta>alsamixer has nothing muted for playback pcm is 100&
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07:23<mirav>'morning, is there a quick way of seeing the files included in a dpkg and their contents without downloading it? (official repos)
07:24<auscompgeek>apt-file?
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07:26<supaman>yeah, apt-file -L nameofpackage
07:26<supaman>sorry, not that
07:26<supaman>apt-file list nameofpackage
07:26<supaman>the -L is the dpkg version
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08:53<piper>looks like the cat is on the keyboard again, or someone is using mommy's computer when there not supposed to be
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08:53*dvs shoots the cat
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08:56<kavos>but can you do this
08:56<piper>we know, but kids love to flood
08:57<kavos>only $399
08:58<piper>have fun, teach your older brother, and say look ma, i can do this on irc and maybe get a cookie
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08:59<wonderwhy>hi
08:59<kavos>damnnn
09:00<wonderwhy>do you know about any blockchain-based model/software for website validation similiar to tsl/ssl?
09:00<wonderwhy>*tls
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09:01<kavos>i am using my ma's pc i have no idea
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09:02<wonderwhy>you can buy a full pc for like 100 bucks (or even less) on ebay (if you want to)
09:03<kavos>i have one though
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09:31<MarkedOne>Hello I want to install http://torch.ch/ torch on debian stretch. I have installed libtorch and libtorch-dev packages but there is still no "th" command. Please help what to do? Do I have to compile?
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09:40<ricardo>MarkedOne: I think you should follow the steps on http://torch.ch/docs/getting-started.html . I never used the libtorch packages from Debian.
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09:49<MarkedOne>ricardo: Thanks
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10:20<MarkedOne>But I really don't like compilation. Do anyone know if packages could work?
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10:24<bremner>MarkedOne: that seems like a question for the torch authors.
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10:27<bremner>unless you mean packages already in debian, in which case you probably want torch-trepl
10:28<bremner>that's currently only available in debian unstable.
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11:00<MarkedOne>bremner: Yes I would like packages already in debian... thanks for mention...
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11:23<wonderwhy>hi
11:24<wonderwhy>since dnscrypt seems to be dead, is the package still maintained on debian? are there any alternatives?
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11:30<piper>wonderwhy: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/dnscrypt https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=dnscrypt http://dnscrypt.org/?_xas=dc5533f8dab86d324ae384fc6455cce49db0e9e4
11:30<piper>maintainer's tweet: https://twitter.com/jedisct1/status/928942292202860544
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11:34<wonderwhy>sorry the package actually is called dnscrypt-proxy
11:34<wonderwhy>wasnt updated since mid 2017 apparently
11:35<piper>https://github.com/dyne/dnscrypt-proxy
11:37<piper>Jan 7 https://github.com/dyne/dnscrypt-proxy/commit/f71ca699aa3399f0c103c1f13ce1a86f9ce9638c
11:38<wonderwhy>ah, good news
11:38<wonderwhy>thanks! :-)
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11:40<wonderwhy>i read that there is a blockchain-based technology called namecoin, seems interesting as well
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11:41<wonderwhy>well not sure if this really is related, was relying on a comment here
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11:42<wonderwhy>ah yes, it is!
11:43<wonderwhy>https://namecoin.org/
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11:44<grawity>piper: hmm I remember that being dead as well
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11:45<grawity>but, the original maintainer already has a dnscrypt-proxy v2 rewritten from scratch
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11:59<wonderwhy>ah yes, i saw that, but i think it has no made its way into debian yet
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12:00<wonderwhy>well it seems the requested new maintainer picked up the old project
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12:20<mrroobot>!gate
12:20<dpkg>gate is probably A gate is a tiny electronic switch. These switches, when linked together, can perform logical functions. together with bill and end with s, it's more evil than satan himself.
12:21<mrroobot>!status
12:21<dpkg>Since Sun Feb 25 12:05:02 2018, there have been 0 modifications, 2 questions, 2 dunnos, 0 morons and 3 commands. I have been awake for 5h 16m 3s this session, and currently reference 40555 factoids. I'm using about 89852 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 3.01/0.18 child 0/0
12:21<mrroobot>!ck
12:21<dpkg>[ck] Con Kolivas' kernel patchset aimed at improving desktop interactivity; http://ck-hack.blogspot.com/ , patches at http://kernel.kolivas.org/ IRC: #ck on irc.oftc.net
12:21<mrroobot>!chk
12:22<annadane>mrroobot, /msg dpkg
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12:22<mrroobot>qual a afinidade desse canal?
12:23<mrroobot>algum hacker?
12:24<annadane>!es
12:24<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
12:24<annadane>and no, this is not for hackers, this is for debian support
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13:00<razzeeyy>what package creates graphical.target in systemd? can it be created semi-automatically but without dragging in any display manager or something?
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13:06<razzeeyy>upd nvm found it
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13:29<friki>hi, I want to create an user at my server to allow socks proxy (ssh -D ) buy i don't want this user run commands. Which shell should i assign to this user?
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13:31<lambocrypt>hiii when i connect my external mic i got white noise...plzz help
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15:06<gnnarin>I need help for not reinstall debian
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15:08<gnnarin>today i install dbian with kde env. and after I wrong installed amd non free drivers and.... black screen
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15:08<gnnarin>i Wanted to install the fopen drivers
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15:12<blast007>gnnarin: what exactly did you install?
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15:17<pecan>i've error ERROR: Include file /etc/apparmor.d/local/usr.sbin.sshd not found when i'm trying enable apparmor profile
15:17<pecan>why?
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15:23<gnnarin>i work all day for fixing the problem but nothing
15:24<gnnarin>now I haen' tdebian poweron
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15:25<gnnarin>I would to clean all configuration, all drivers graphics free and non-free. I want to fix step by step
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15:26<gnnarin>the last step was reinstall kde env. by tesksel
15:26<gnnarin>and stop
15:27<blast007>gnnarin: you said you installed AMD non-free drivers - what exactly did you install?
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15:29<gnnarin>at the beginning I open the terminal on kde and I put this: # Debian 8 "Jessie"
15:29<gnnarin>deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free and then # aptitude update
15:29<gnnarin># aptitude -r install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') fglrx-driver
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15:30<gnnarin>and finally rboot with non starting x
15:30<gnnarin>and so with console login
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15:30<blast007>you're running jessie? why not stretch?
15:30<gnnarin>eh stretch
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15:31<blast007>fglrx-driver isn't in stretch
15:31<gnnarin>but xorg.conf not exists
15:31<blast007>which version of Debian are you running?
15:32<gnnarin>debian 9.0.3 installed from netinstall
15:32<gnnarin>usb
15:32<gnnarin>pen
15:32<gnnarin>with kde
15:32<blast007>and then you added a jessie source to install fglrx-driver?
15:33<gnnarin>eh i read from this : https://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary#Installation.
15:33<gnnarin>for wrong
15:34<gnnarin>instead of this : https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo#Installation
15:34<blast007>probably easier to reinstall your system at this point. you should not mix versions of Debian.
15:34<gnnarin>nooooo
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15:34<blast007>!don't break debian
15:34<dpkg>from memory, dont break debian is https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian
15:35<gnnarin>but possible everytime 'm going wrong going to reinstall
15:35<silver>can he just uninstall the fglx driver and remove the jessie source?
15:36<gnnarin>how can do these?
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15:36<piper>you could try and do (before reinistall) apt purge $(dpkg -l | awk '/fglrx/{print $2}') and reboot
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15:36<gnnarin>ok and then...?
15:36<blast007>depends if he can get into a terminal at all
15:37<blast007>recovery mode might get you in
15:37<blast007>or a chroot from the install media
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15:38<gnnarin>I don't understand very well english.... shit
15:38<blast007>it likely installed more than just fglrx-driver
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15:38<blast007>!recovery
15:38<dpkg>Debian-Installer has a recovery ('rescue') mode, which can be used to reinstall the GRUB or LILO boot loaders. See section 8.7 of the <install guide> ("Recovering a Broken System") for more details: https://www.debian.org/releases/jessie/amd64/ch08s07.html.en
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15:39<blast007>(instead of doing grub-install, you could see if you can use apt-get or apt to purge the fglrx driver and anything else it installed)
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15:40<piper>also delete any xorg.config (has been obsolete for years)
15:41<gnnarin>I never see xorg.conf
15:41<gnnarin>where is
15:41<gnnarin>i try to find it
15:41<gnnarin>but nothing
15:42<piper>shouldn't really blindly install stuff if you don't know where things are
15:42<silver>gnnarin: /etc/apt/sources.conf
15:43<silver>lol sorry
15:43<silver> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
15:43<silver>been a long time since ive been into that directory
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15:44<gnnarin>I havee /etc/X11/Xorg.conf.d
15:45<gnnarin>with 20-fglrx or another i don't rememeber
15:45<silver>You will most likley spend more time trying to fix your system, do what blast and piper recommended and reformat
15:46<gnnarin>shit
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15:47<gnnarin>ah when i reinstall i want to backup system. what I backup?
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15:48<gnnarin>what partition do I backup?
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15:49<gnnarin>if i rmeber i have 5 partitions
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15:52<blast007>!things to backup
15:52<dpkg>Some things you should back up include: /etc /home /root /usr/local /usr/src /opt /srv. Tailor to your own purposes. If you think you don't need /var, make sure you don't forget /var/lib/dpkg /var/backups /var/lib/apt* /var/lib/mysql /var/mail /var/www /var/cache/debconf /var/spool/cron ...
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15:54<blast007>if you have a separate /home, you can probably tell the installer to use the same partitions and tell it to not format your /home, but I'd still suggest backing it up anyway
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16:00<piper>gnnarin: before a reinstall (you have nothing to lose) I would try apt-get purge $(dpkg -l | awk '/fglrx/{print $2}') && rm -f /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf && apt update; apt install xserver-xorg-video-all then reboot if it boots fine
16:00<piper>if not reinstall
16:01<piper>would be > apt purge $(dpkg -l | awk '/fglrx/{print $2}') && rm -f /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-fglrx.conf && apt update; apt install xserver-xorg-video-all
16:01<gnnarin>ok I will try
16:02<piper>you have nothing to lose if you plan to reinstall
16:02<gnnarin>and for deleting jessie sources list?
16:03<piper>really don't need xserver-xorg-video-all but covering all bases
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16:04<piper>i would just replace jessie with stretch, i run sid so i hope the name is right, if not, someone will correct it
16:05*annadane rolls eyes
16:05<annadane>you fail the red hat certification test
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16:05<piper>and that cert is going to do what for me ? i retire real soon :P
16:06<gnnarin>but if i reinstall and starts kde env. how I can To know if there are 3d effects and full use of graphic card?
16:07<gnnarin>clean debian installed what have ? non-free o open drivers?
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16:11<piper>gnnarin: just get the install done properly and come back to irc and ask, the only amd card i have is very old on a different machine [AMD/ATI] Turks PRO [Radeon HD 6570/7570/8550] ati,radeon (unloaded: modesetting,fbdev,vesa) for now just use the free drivers
16:12<towo`>gnnarin, for propper working, you need firmware-amd-graphics from non-free repo
16:13<piper>thanks towo`
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16:28<Snythea>I've installed the icon for the mimetype text/x-hackscript on /usr/share/icons/hicolor/128x128/text-x-hackscript.png, but it doesn't show, why?
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16:38<b17>Snythea: installed the icon how? i think that folder is for pkg hicolor-icon-theme
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16:42<gnnarin>ok last question I have radeon 5450 hd
16:42<Snythea>b17, yes, but it's used also by other packages as a "container" for their icons
16:42<Snythea>I installed it with a package btw
16:43<b17>there is a link to the spec in /usr/share/doc/hicolor-icon-theme
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16:50<gnnarin>does it exist time machine backup for debian
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17:02<Snythea>b17, the specs (https://specifications.freedesktop.org/icon-theme-spec/icon-theme-spec-latest.html) only covers general purposed icons, not mimetypes
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17:03<b17>Snythea: Well without knowing what pkg you installed, my guess would be it forgot to update the theme's cache?
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17:04<b17>or put it's icon in the wrong place?
17:04<Snythea>b17, It shouldn't happened
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17:04<Snythea>In the same folder there's another icon for another mimetype
17:04<Snythea>application/x-mimetypeidontremember
17:05<Snythea>This mimetype works correctly as expected
17:05<Snythea>Mimetypes that doesn't work correctly are text-x-mimetype
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17:18<b17>Snythea: sounds like you are either a packager that needs help on your project, or a user that found a bug.
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17:21<Snythea>b17, maybe both
17:21<Snythea>):
17:22<Snythea>How can I be sure that it's a bug and not my fault?
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17:39<hwgasdfasdf>what maintains the association between mac address and adapter name these days? I don't see it in udev anymore
17:42<Brigo>hwgasdfasdf, i would say the driver.
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17:42<Brigo>even before udev
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17:46<hwgasdfasdf>no, seems like it's systemd now
17:46<hwgasdfasdf>using slot names
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19:12<atoar>hello
19:12<atoar>need help >
19:12<atoar>who is here ?
19:12<somiaj>!ask
19:12<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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19:29<musti>hi
19:29<musti>any guide for vpn client?
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19:30<abrotman>musti: which VPN client?
19:30<abrotman>musti: are you trying to use a GUI to configure it?
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19:33<th>where can i recommend a package to be added?
19:33<musti>actually i already installed it and running ipv6 but when i want to use it for ipv4 my own ipv4 blocked or i couldnt use my own ipv4 all gone and i must use vpna ipv4
19:34<musti>can i use both ipv4 my own and vpns?
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20:17<bernard>hello, my android phone is not mounting via usb
20:17<bernard>how can I mount the device for file transfer/backup
20:18<bernard>I am using xfce with thunar
20:20<somiaj>when you plug it in, does your device go into MTP mode or some other mode?
20:20<somiaj>Usuaully you have to tell your device it is okay for the machine to access its data
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20:31<bernard>somiaj: yeah, a notification pops up on the device and I select "file transfer mode" -- however, even with that mode selected, the device isn't visible in thunar
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20:33<somiaj>you can check demsg to see if the kernels sees it in mtp mode, there are also other tools to manually mount mtp devices
20:33<somiaj>I personally use adb, beause it is faster, but it requires a bit more work to setup intially (it is a development tool)
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20:35<bernard>somiaj: my knowledge is mostly limited to the gui. What can I do via the terminal?
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20:36<somiaj>https://wiki.debian.org/mtp
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20:37<somiaj>looks like the gmtp would be a tool you could install and use inside of xfce as a gui tool
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20:40<bernard>somiaj: Why isn't the device being recognized?
20:41<bernard>I just need access to the filesystem within Thunar so I can backup my media
20:41<somiaj>I don't know if it is being recongnized or not, mtp is not a traditional file system, you might just need to install gmtp and use that. Read the wiki
20:41<somiaj>mtp doesn't work that way, though as the wiki shows there are ways to do it manually, read the wiki or try the gui app
20:42<bernard>ok, thanks
20:45<bernard>somiaj: actually, the phone appears in the output of lsusb
20:46<somiaj>sure, I expect the phone is being detected by your machine, thunar might not have a plugin to mount mtp devices (mostly because it is more a protocol like ftp than it is a real file system)
20:47<somiaj>the gui app should automate using it, probably best unless you want to learn how to setup the devlopment tools and do this all from the command line
20:47<bernard>so what's the gui tool called?
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20:48<somiaj>gmtp
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20:53<bernard>somiaj: it isn't showing the device in gmtp, says "no raw devices found"
20:53<somiaj>are you are sure you have your device enabled to connect in mtp mode?
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20:58<bernard>somiaj: yeah, no luck
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20:59<somiaj>I'm unsure what the issue is. You could try to check dmesg right after you plug it in and hit okay on your phone to see what sort of info it says about your phone. Sounds like you double checked all the usb options, most phones have various modes they can connect as, and make sure you have the usb on your phone configured to use mtp.
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21:22<bernard>somiaj: got it to work, but now when I select the folder to download media from, I get the error message "error getting file from MTP device"
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21:28<somiaj>I don't know to much about mtp, unsure what that could mean.
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22:01<zorania>A question about raid configuration in the installer: I have 6 4tb drives and I am attempting to set up a raid 6 with them (4 active 2 spares). I expected to see 1 16tb raid, but am seeing 8tb
22:03<blast007>zorania: the RAID volume would be created across 4 drives, not 6, with 2 drives left unused until a failure
22:04<zorania>Oh, derp
22:04<zorania>Thanks
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22:19<zorania>I assume that the previous guidance of creating a small ext2 boot partition for mdraid setups still applies?
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