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#debian IRC Logs for 2018-02-27

---Logopened Tue Feb 27 00:00:24 2018
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03:30<Joseph>Hello, I am new in this technological world, greetings from Peru - Latin America
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03:31<jm_>hello, if you want to just chat then some other channels are more appropriate
03:36<Joseph>I do not just want to chat, I want to learn , exchange knowledge or learn from the best in this field of technology
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03:40<grove>I don't know if we're the best (but some of us have run Debian for a long time, my 18 years is no where near the max in this channel), but it is possible to learn from listening in on this channel
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03:46<Joseph>Share your websites where you have documentation about debian or something referential about the digital world
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03:47<jm_>!grounding
03:47<dpkg>Before asking in here or on the <debian-user> mailing list, you should read the Installation Guide, or if you already have Debian installed, the Debian Reference. The Debian Administrator's Handbook is also good. Ask me about <ig>, <overview>, <reference>, <refcard>, <docs>, <manuals>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>, <debian-handbook> (e.g. in your IRC client, type /msg dpkg reference).
03:48<jm_>if you ask dpkg about those you well get pplenty of material to read
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03:57<Joseph>Thanks for your immediate responses
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04:04<Joseph>To which they are currently dedicated?, my goal is to be an information security specialist in information security( I am studying hard, I am 17 years old)
04:05<Joseph>does anyone have a certificate of Offensive Security?
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04:11<jm_>this channel is for debian support, for more general talk maybe try other channels/network, i.e. #debian-offtopic here
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04:54<stealph>hi
04:55<stealph>anyone there
04:55<stealph>???
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04:55<petn-randall>stealph: Quite a few people, actually.
04:56<BanHammor>we're all just silently staring into the night, unmoving
04:56<BanHammor>(do you have an actual question we can help with?)
04:57<stealph>yea actually i just installed parrot os and getting some issues
04:57<petn-randall>!parrot
04:57<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
04:57<stealph>this is my first time on haxchat and dont know much about this
04:58<petn-randall>stealph: Ah, in that case try the channel above. ^^^
05:00<stealph>wher r u from guys
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06:03<TotallyNotKim>soo, after upgrading a jessie machine to stretch I can't reach it on any interface anymore
06:03<TotallyNotKim>ideas?
06:03<TotallyNotKim>not even a direct link works
06:03<TotallyNotKim>when tcpdumping I do see traffic tho
06:04<BCMM>TotallyNotKim: do you have any sort of local access to the machine, or is it a headless ssh only kind of situation?
06:04<TotallyNotKim>I do have a kvm console attached
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06:04<TotallyNotKim>let me do one quick check
06:05<BCMM>TotallyNotKim: wondering if it's not network configuration, but network driver changes
06:05<BCMM>e.g. you need realtek firmware now or something like that
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06:09<TotallyNotKim>BCMM: I think I figured it out, it's a bride on bond setup. It should have been configured exactly as the machine I already updated, but the interface conf is setup differently
06:09<TotallyNotKim>gonna rewrite that
06:09<TotallyNotKim>that should fix it
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06:35<demo_>estoy probando la distro Mx linux y esta bastante buena
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06:37<demo_>tengo instalada a Emmabuntus pero creo que la voy a cambiar por esta que me parece mejor organizada y esteticamente esta mejor
06:38<duclicsic>!es
06:38<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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06:38<demo_>solo le instalaria el dock cairo a esta
06:38<demo_>ok
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07:29<adhawkins>Is there any way to have apt upgrade a subset of the list of packages that need upgrading? I know 'install' will do it, but won't that also mark packages that were only installed due to dependencies as being a specific install requirement?
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07:30<somiaj>what version of debian are you running?
07:31<adhawkins>Stable
07:31<somiaj>also this seems like an XY problem, why don't you want to upgrade all the packages?
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07:31<somiaj>in stable, a frozen system, upgrades are bug fixes or security fixes, you most likely want them.
07:31<jm_>maybe putting the rest on hold would help?
07:31<adhawkins>I've just done a 'full' upgrade, which also updates mono (from their own repositorys) and it's broken a load of mono stuff.
07:32<adhawkins>So I just want to update the 'real' debian bits.
07:32<adhawkins>jm_: That's an option, but inconveniently mono is packaged as over 100 individual packages...
07:32<somiaj>ahh so this is an issue with using thrid party repos. We usually suggest against using them, due to stuff like this. Maybe pinning or holding packages could help, but I would try to deal with the broken repo in another way.
07:33<jm_>adhawkins: in that case I'd suggest apt pinning so you need special command to update stuff from that repo
07:33<adhawkins>Previously I've applied mono updates without having an issue. Obviously something has changed in this one though. Luckily it's a VM and I took a snapshot before doing the update.
07:34<adhawkins>I'll look into pinning then.
07:34<adhawkins>If I pin stuff, will utils like aptictron show me when new versions are available?
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07:35<jm_>hmm no idea
07:36<silver>,v aptictron
07:36<judd>No package named 'aptictron' was found in amd64.
07:36<silver>lol
07:36<somiaj>adhawkins: any reason the mono packages in debian don't work for you?
07:36<silver>you mean apticron
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07:55<Lue[m]>this "Sorry, Something went wrong" always appers in my Gnome Software center
07:55*Lue[m] uploaded an image: Screenshot from 2018-02-27 13-54-05.png (44KB) <https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/cutiehaven.club/vnXMSJicUnCrGgeJSmcQgVhg>
07:55<Lue[m]>it annoys me, what can i do about it?
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07:59<adhawkins>somiaj: Just seemed 'sensible' to track the upstream ones.
07:59<adhawkins>silver: Yes, I meant apticron
08:00<somiaj>adhawkins: I would see if the packages debian provides work for you. If they do, just using the packages from the debian repo is usually suggested because they have been tested and designed to work in the debian echosystem.
08:00<somiaj>but hopefully pinning helps.
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08:01<adhawkins>somiaj: Ok, thanks for the advice.
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08:03<Lue[m]>everything works for me, just the message annoys me
08:03<Lue[m]>anny suggestions?
08:03<Lue[m]>*any
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08:04<dwFedqd>hi
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08:08<hdt551>I have stretch installed and am trying to compile mythtv fixes/29
08:09<hdt551>when I run ./configure for mythtv I get "ERROR: cannot find taglib 1.7 or later"
08:09<hdt551>In Synaptic my only choice is libtag1v5 which apparently is not good enough.
08:10<hdt551>I have tried to find a newer version but it does not seem to be available.
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08:11<hdt551>I thought mythtv development was done using debian but maybe they do not necessarily use standard packages and I may need to compile a newer version of libtag myself?
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08:16<supaman>Lue[m]: you might be hit by this bug: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=791295
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08:22<Lue[m]>supaman: thx
08:23<Lue[m]>that looks like the same bug but they havnt solved it
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08:30<supaman>well, they closed the bug so it is resolved on their behalf (debian just hasn't gotten the patch into it systems yet I guess)
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08:38<adhawkins>somiaj: Found a simpler way. Temporarily comment out the sources.list lines for the mono repositories :)
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08:39<adhawkins>I've now at least updated the kernel etc., and will hold off on the mono update to investigate other options.
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10:54<AWSSSL>Anyone else using Amazon and get this email "Upcoming Changes to SSL Certificates in Amazon Simple Queue Service"?
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10:58<AWSSSL>Where do I update the trusted CA list?
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11:02<grawity>the Debian trusted CA list is updated like any other package
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11:02<grawity>(ca-certificates, via apt or apt-get)
11:04<AWSSSL>grawity: I mean if I want to add someone
11:05<grawity>like Amazon?
11:05<grawity>probably don't need to – Debian already includes the Starfield CAs
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11:05<grawity>but either way, you would put a .crt file in /usr/local/share/ca-certificates (iirc it has to be in the textual, PEM format)
11:05<grawity>and then run `update-ca-certificates`
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11:56<ravenlx>I have a strange problem. If anyone can help, would be appreciated.
11:56<ravenlx>I have a microSD I formatted zeros using dd. GParted now says that there's an i/o error when creating the partition table. So I can't make a partition (because I can't make the table first). I scanned for bad blocks and there are none. The microSD is in an adapter and in the laptop. I also tried it in a multi-card reader. Same effect. Even tried rebooting and trying again. Is the card ruined or is there something I'm missing?
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11:59<petn-randall>ravenlx: which mode of badblocks did you run?
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12:05<ravenlx>@petn-randall: sudo badblocks -sv -b 512 /dev/mmcblk0
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12:07<abreu[m]>Evening.
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12:08<ravenlx>Hello abreu[m]. Noon here. :)
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12:09<abreu[m]>I'm trying to install one package from testing. I've set my preferences file like so in order to not be bothered with alerts of available upgrades: http://paste.debian.net/plain/1012254
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12:10<abreu[m]>That's all fine and well.
12:10<b17>ravenlx: i have had a lot of trouble with microsd on stretch, anything that uses blkid seems to hose it with data sense errors in dmesg. Do you have an older 3.x kernel to try?
12:10<abreu[m]>But when I try to install it, with `sudo apt isntall -t buster krita`, it refuses to install its dependencies.
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12:11<abreu[m]>That is, if I do not list them one by one in the installation command.
12:11<ravenlx>@b17: I don't think so. Would it work if I tried it in VirtualBox on an older VM?
12:12<ravenlx>abreu[m] Dependency h-e-double-hockey-sticks is common with testing, I heard (someone correct me on that?) Some packages don't seem to install everything.
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12:14<ravenlx>@abreu[m] Have you tried apt-get -f install?
12:14<blast007>abreu[m]: are you using stable or testing?
12:14<ravenlx>That is, without any packages at the end just 'sudo apt-get -f install' and press ENTER to see if it will install it?
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12:15<abreu[m]>blast007:
12:15<abreu[m]>blast007: Stable.
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12:16<blast007>you really shouldn't mix it with testing then
12:16<abreu[m]>ravenlx: Same thing, unmet dependencies.
12:17<ravenlx>I agree wholely with blast007 about not mixing stable with testing.
12:18<abreu[m]>Well, guess I'll download a Krita appimage instead.
12:18<abreu[m]>Cause you see, their stable version is in our testing repository. Hence, I can't get support from them if anything happens.
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12:19<blast007>that might honestly be easier
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12:20<blast007>,checkbackport krita
12:20<judd>Backporting package krita in sid→stretch/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: libqt5opengl5-desktop-dev, vc-dev [any-i386 any-amd64].
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12:21<blast007>I don't even see a package named libqt5opengl5-desktop-dev, so I'm not sure what that means
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12:40<piper>blast007: related to libqt5opengl5-dev https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=884314
12:40<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/884314 in src:vite (closed): «vite: please change the build dependency to libqt5opengl5-desktop-dev»; severity: normal; opened: 2017-12-13; last modified: 2018-01-06.
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16:16<Volley>hrmm ... during the boot process, after the boot loader, the kernel blanks the screen before writing the first thing to it. I wonder if there is a way to make it not clear the screen, but keep whatever graphic is visible from before ...
16:16<somiaj>graphic? You can't keep the grub or boot graphic, but you can change the output at boot
16:17<somiaj>you can change /etc/default/grub and remove the 'quiet' from the boot line
16:17<somiaj>i.e. remove quiest from GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet", and rewrite it as GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=""
16:19<Volley>somiaj: well, i kinda assumed it would be possible, since grub-efi and windows keep the efi splash graphic for a long time.
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16:20<somiaj>oh this is the graphic from efi, I think the blanking might be switching from the efi kms driver to the kms driver for your graphics card. I don't know if it is possible to keep that spash screen on this switch (at least in linux)
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16:22<somiaj>do you know what video card you have?
16:23<Volley>lscpi tells me Intel Corporation Haswell-ULT Integrated Graphics Controller (it is a ThinkPad X240)
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16:24<Volley>i'm just learning efi basics ... figured out that using a bootloader like grub on a machine like that is overrated :)
16:24<somiaj>I think the graphics thing is happening when the i915 module is loaded for that card and it ses up the new kms drivers (switching from the ones inherited from efi)
16:24<somiaj>yea, you don't need to use grub, you can use what use to be knows as gumiboot or something like that to install .efi files for the kernel directly, and then let the firmware be the bootloader
16:25<somiaj>I'm having trouble finding info the efi kms setup and how it works though.
16:25<Volley>somiaj: right now i just write with efibootmgr directly which kernel and which initrd to load :)
16:26<somiaj>I don't know if doing something like adding i915.modesetting=0 (look up the exact syntax) and disabling modesetting on the intel driver would afect that. But I think you want to keep modesetting driver. So it maynot be possible to do this due to the switch from the default driver to the i915 module
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16:29<somiaj>ahh seems there is an efifb device for this, but not modesetting.
16:29<somiaj>I guess you could just disable the i915 module from loading, but if you use xorg, I wouldn't recommend that.
16:30<somiaj>yea look for 'efifb' in your dmesg output, and you'll might be able to see info. so my guess is that is what is used until the video module replaces it
16:30<Volley>searching right now ... thanks for the inspirations!
16:33<somiaj>I'm finding various info about efifb, so maybe start by adding a blacklist to the i915 module and seeing if that makes it work like you want. Now if you run xorg, you may not get good preformance with the default vesa video drivers for that though.
16:34<somiaj>Volley: also note, gumiboot is now systemd-boot, and you can use that as another simple way to manage efi booting (might be a little less core than efibootmgr)
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16:54<jhutchins_wk>So now we have systemd-boot AND grub?
16:55<somiaj>we still have lilo too
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16:55<somiaj>though we had gumiboot and efibootmgr for a while as an alternative to grub (maybe they were introduced in wheezy), systemd just has to have its own tool too.
16:56<jhutchins_wk>systemd - all your software are belong to us.
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17:01<Volley>we also have syslinux
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17:01<Volley>so we really won't run out of bootloaders that easily
17:01<somiaj>I'm all for choice, just don't push the little guy out
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17:02<Volley>i still like syslinux for live systems on usb sticks
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17:05<Volley>speaking of which ... (i'm still experimenting with various partition layouts for usb sticks) ... i can remount,rw the stick i booted from, but other options don't seem to be possible for remount? (like uid/gid setting to user)
17:06<somiaj>so you can't change the uid/gid setting of a vfat system with remount? hmm.
17:07<Volley>seems the "one partition for all" approach won't make it :)
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17:08<djgrapes>https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6KpIyuq62AAimPBXMUystw?view_as=subscriber
17:09<djgrapes>LIT
17:09<djgrapes>LIT
17:09<djgrapes>LIT
17:10<somiaj>djgrapes: you are in the wrong place for sharing such things.
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17:11<djgrapes>it good vids dough
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17:11<somiaj>Volley: yea, I'm not finding any good hits on if you can change the uid/gid permissions with a remount of a vfat file system. Multiple partitions will probably be the best, if you also use this on windows systems, do realize windows will sometimes only see the first partition on any device is identifies as portable.
17:12<djgrapes>lit
17:12<djgrapes>fam
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17:14<Volley>somiaj: nope - that is exactely why i'm rethinking my layout. Since fall update windows is seeing all partitions of usb sticks and prompting the user to format all it can't read. Which killed most of my boot sticks at my institute within a few days.
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17:15<somiaj>hmm, I don't use window machines that much, but my one experience was windows just ignore the later partitions.
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17:15<Volley>somiaj: that was the past, yes.
17:16<Volley>https://thewincentral.com/windows-10-creators-update-allows-multiple-partitions-usb-drive/
17:17<somiaj>oh nice, yea I don't keep up with windows at all.
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17:17<Volley>well, it's euphemism
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17:18<Volley>last weekend i was trying if there would be a way to hide partitions. i failed.
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17:20<somiaj>Volley: make a large file on the vfat system. write a ext4 file system to it. Mount it as a loopback device
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17:20<somiaj>in essence that will be hidden to windows (or just seen as some large file)
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17:21<Volley>yea, basically this is what i do now
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17:29<datenritter>hi! i imported both keys mentioned here: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2017/05/msg00001.html but still receive errors for unsigned/not trustworthy packages when i try to update my stretch boxes. what am i doing wrong? i am a little alerted... other systems in my network don't have that problem.
17:29<datenritter>i used apt-key add <file> to do that
17:29<datenritter>as there is no dirmgr installed... weird.
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18:13<spotter>is start-stop-daemon broken or do I not understand how it works
18:13<spotter>trying to use it for something and it never seems to think my process is running
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18:13<spotter>I've tested it against real live processes and it behaves the same
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18:13<spotter>i.e. start-stop-daemon --test --start --pidfile /run/libvirtd.pid --user root --exec /bin/echo always says it would run /bin/echo
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18:16<somiaj>spotter: what is your overall goal? with systemd a unit file is the prefered way to setup a service.
18:16<somiaj>and in this case looks like it is for libvirtd. What is wrong with the service that comes with the libvirt packages.
18:16<spotter>somiaj, agreed, but in containers systemd isn't playing nice at the moment
18:16<spotter>the above is my proof of concept
18:16<spotter>i.e. libvirtd doesn't try it with "/bin/echo" just for demonstration sake
18:17<somiaj>what type of containers?
18:18<spotter>ah, I see
18:18<spotter>start-stop-daemon --test --start --pidfile /run/libvirtd.pid --user root --exec /usr/sbin/libvirtd
18:18<spotter>that works as expected
18:18<spotter>so it checks the exec to see if its the correct process executable
18:18<spotter>which makes sense
18:18<spotter>dont want stale pid files
18:18<spotter>docker containers
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18:20<spotter>and figured it out
18:21<spotter>start-stop-daemon can't work in docker containers as /proc/<pid>/exe doesn't work :/
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18:21<TobiX>It doesn't?
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18:22<TobiX>News to me
18:22<TobiX>That would break much more then start-stop-daemon
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18:25<spotter>it needs SYS_PTRAE
18:25<spotter>SYS_PTRACE
18:25<spotter>which it doesn't have by default
18:25<spotter>https://github.com/moby/moby/issues/6800
18:25<spotter>old issue, but still applies
18:25<spotter>restarted my container with SYS_PTRACE and it worked sa expected
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18:29<TobiX>That's a large hammer ;)
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18:37<TobiX>spotter: The issue moved to https://github.com/moby/moby/issues/11049 ... But it seems nothing has changed in the meantime... It seems like almost all capabilities, SYS_PTRACE is quite broad :(
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18:39<spotter>figured as much
18:40<spotter>its less broad than running with straight privilege though
18:41<spotter>with that said, if everything sys_ptrace protects is confined to the pid namespace, I'm wondering what the security ramifications of it are
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19:56<iStrive>Good evening folks! I'm trying to convert audio files automatically from m4a to mp3, they vary the bitrate from 260 to 800+, therefore I would like to check if the file is below 320K convert it to 260, otherwise set to 320... Anybody here familiar with for loop? seems that my command line isn't
19:56<iStrive>loading the file name correctly...
19:57<iStrive>for f in $(find . -name "$mft"); do
19:58<iStrive>-ab $bthig"k" -map_metadata 0 -id3v2_version 3 "$
19:58<iStrive>{f%.*}.mp3" -stats -hide_banner;
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19:58<illwieckz>you can already do: find . -type f -name "$mft"
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19:58<illwieckz>to be sure to not list directories
19:58<iStrive>all other variables works but the export one (mfbt)
19:59<illwieckz>what is mft?
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19:59<iStrive>this is supposed to be recursively
19:59<iStrive>mediafiletype (could be flac, m4a, wav)
20:00<iStrive>it will be entered from the script...
20:00<illwieckz>so you are just doing find . -name 'flac' ?
20:00<illwieckz>if flac is fmt?
20:00<illwieckz>why not doing:
20:00<iStrive>fmt can be any type of media to convert into mp3
20:01<illwieckz>I mean, are you looking for "flac" or "*.flac" ?
20:01<iStrive>*.flac or *.m4a or *.wav
20:01<illwieckz>so you do earlier
20:01<iStrive>*.flac
20:01<illwieckz>mft="*.flac"
20:01<illwieckz>with quotes?
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20:02<iStrive>yes
20:03<iStrive>it comes from read inside the script
20:03<illwieckz>it would probably be easier if you show off the whole script, can you paste it somewhere?
20:03<iStrive>my var is declared as mft="*.m4a"
20:04<iStrive>sure
20:04<iStrive>where do you want me to send it to?
20:04<illwieckz>dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
20:04*dpkg does not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
20:06<iStrive>http://paste.debian.net/1012310/
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20:06<iStrive>this is the link of the whole script
20:06<illwieckz>is there whitespace in your file names?
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20:07<iStrive>yes, since this is music file names...
20:07<illwieckz>if yes, try this instead:
20:08<illwieckz>find . -type f -name "$mft" | while read f; do
20:08<illwieckz>while read will read file name line per line
20:08<illwieckz>not whitespace per whitespace like for do
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20:09<iStrive>how do I replace that in this case?
20:09<illwieckz>well, you can also change the IFS to ensure for split by newline only but it means you have to restore it and meh…
20:09<illwieckz>just replace the line:
20:09<illwieckz>for f in $(find . -name "$mft"); do
20:09<illwieckz>by:
20:09<illwieckz>find . -type f -name "$mft" | while read f; do
20:09<iStrive>I'm not familiar with bash much, this is a new world to me, my coding is Windows mode! ;)
20:10<illwieckz>`find . -type f -name "$mft"` will print each file (-f) that matches the pattern "$mft" on a new line
20:11<iStrive>let me try with this change
20:11<illwieckz>`while read f; do` will read each line as variable f; in a loop, until find stop to print something
20:11<illwieckz>so, if file name contain whitespace
20:11<illwieckz>there will be whitespace in lines
20:12<illwieckz>but `while read` will read line by line
20:12<illwieckz>for var in something iterate by words by default, which can lead to troubles
20:12<iStrive> -ge: unary operator expected
20:12<mellotto>try somethng like:
20:12<iStrive>is still not reading the mfbt
20:13<mellotto>for FILE in `ls -1 *.EXTTYPE`; do ; echo $FILE; Do whatever you need with file; done
20:13<illwieckz>try running your script like that
20:13<illwieckz>bash -x <yourscript> <your args>
20:13<illwieckz>it will print some "some" debug info
20:14<illwieckz>I say it very fast
20:14<illwieckz>it's not very handy but it exists
20:14<illwieckz>mellotto, this only works if files are in current directory
20:15<illwieckz>I guess iStrive is walking subdirs (like artist, album, etc.)
20:15<mellotto>nops... You can use -R with ls command and make it recursive as well
20:15<iStrive>this -x thing is pretty cool! ;)
20:16<iStrive>is still not working but giver all sort of $h% gioing wrong!
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20:17<iStrive>it seems that the path/file name is cut off, thats why it's getting error!
20:18<illwieckz>even with the `find […] | while read` trick?
20:18<iStrive>there is a folder Nat King Kole, it shows onle Parse error, at least 3 arguments were expected, only 1 given in string 'ole/D7 - These Foolish Things/19 Three Blind Mice.flac'
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20:19<iStrive>this is how I changed to find . -type f -name "$mft"| while read f; do
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20:19<illwieckz>unicode issue?
20:19<illwieckz>is your locale C?
20:19<illwieckz>echo $LANG
20:20<illwieckz>what is printed by that ↑
20:20<iStrive>this in on a /mnt/wdnas/Downloads
20:21<illwieckz>what does "echo $LANG" print?
20:21<iStrive>en_US.UTF-8
20:21<illwieckz>ah, it's ok then
20:22<iStrive>with the find while change it seems to have some improvement from what I was getting, so we are closer than when I arrived!!!! That's a step ahead.
20:22<illwieckz>in which line the parse error occurs?
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20:23<iStrive>it doesnt say, it shows the error from avconv now
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20:24<iStrive>let me try again in another folder...
20:27<iStrive>error parsing debug value
20:27<iStrive>debug=0
20:27<iStrive>size= 60kB time=00:00:01.49 bitrate= 332.4kbits/s speed=2.96x
20:27<iStrive>error parsing debug value
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20:37<illwieckz>well, I don't know I this point…
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20:38<iStrive>did you see the code from the post on the like?
20:38<iStrive>http://paste.debian.net/1012310/
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20:38<iStrive>is there a way for you to test it locally?
20:39<iStrive>assuming you have any file in FLAC or M4A in your system
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20:43<iStrive>this is the updated link, with you change to While instead of FOR...
20:43<iStrive>http://paste.debian.net/1012312/
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20:52<illwieckz>iStrive,
20:53<illwieckz>also rewrite the 91 line
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20:55<iStrive>good catch! I'd get into trouble later when using the type instead of auto...
20:55<iStrive>TY!
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20:57<illwieckz>btw, I'm also getting the weird random cut in names
20:57<iStrive>the error now is inside the avconv (perhaps a codec issue) but it is doing the job as supposed...
20:57<iStrive>that seems to be resolved over here
20:58<iStrive>I need to check the mp3 files after conversion
20:58<illwieckz>avconv -i 'mer/Rain Man (score edition)/08 - Walk Don'\''t Run.flac' -ab 256k -map_metadata 0 -id3v2_version 3 'mer/Rain Man (score edition)/08 - Walk Don'\''t Run.mp3' -stats -hide_banner
20:58<illwieckz>that's not good ↑
20:58<illwieckz>avconv -i './Hans Zimmer/Rain Man (score edition)/07 - Train Crossing.flac' -ab 256k -map_metadata 0 -id3v2_version 3 './Hans Zimmer/Rain Man (score edition)/07 - Train Crossing.mp3' -stats -hide_banner
20:58<illwieckz>that's good ↑
20:59<illwieckz>I don't know why, some names are randomly cut
20:59<iStrive>yep, and here the files didn't finish... avconve is exiting with error
20:59<iStrive>so I'm not CRAZY!!! lol
21:00<iStrive>this is just not working.
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21:03<illwieckz>it's crazy yes
21:03<illwieckz>o.O
21:03<illwieckz>the bug is in
21:03<illwieckz>find . -type f -name "$mft"| while read f; do
21:03<illwieckz>if I print f just after the do
21:03<illwieckz>it's printed brokenly
21:04<illwieckz>if I run that code in interactive bash it works o.O
21:04<iStrive>so what's the beef?
21:05<illwieckz>don't kno
21:05<bremner>err. what are you expecting "$mft" to evaluate to?
21:05<iStrive>shoud we use the var with the path instead of "." in find like find "$orgfld" -type....
21:05<iStrive>*.flac
21:05<iStrive>*.m4a
21:06<iStrive>and further I'll try both with -regextype posix-extended -regex '.*\.(m(p3|4a)|flac)'
21:07<iStrive>but I must make it work with at least one! ;)
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21:08<iStrive>if I do this in the local folder it works flawlessly: for f in *.flac; do avconv -i "$f" -ab 320k -map_metadata 0 -id3v2_version 3 "${f%.*}.mp3" -stats -hide_banner;done
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21:12<mnuhmnuh>iStrive: you can use "set -x" to turn on debug (print commands as executed) then "set +x" to turn off.
21:12<iStrive>ok
21:12<iStrive>let me try
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21:13<mnuhmnuh>iStrive: note find is recursive; it walks down through all dirs and files starting at ".", or $pwd.
21:13<mnuhmnuh>iStrive: you misspelled Please on line 6. :-)
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21:14<iStrive>Thank you, that's good debuggin! :P
21:14<mnuhmnuh>iStrive: i think i got that set sequence right; may be reversed, sorry.
21:15<illwieckz>you found a nasty bug man
21:15<iStrive>I wa about to ask that, usually + enables and - disables stuff... but I wasn't sure!
21:16<mnuhmnuh>iStrive: research! as one of my buds loves to shout.
21:17<iStrive>What do you think I spent my day doing? so before blowing my mind out I came here for some insight and a light at the end of the tunnel! lol
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21:18<mnuhmnuh>iStrive: as long as we're not writing your homework sol'n for you ...
21:18<illwieckz>http://paste.debian.net/1012313/
21:18<illwieckz>mnuhmnuh, look at this
21:19<illwieckz>I never seen homework asking to track down bugs like that
21:19<illwieckz>running avconv in bash break bash
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21:19<iStrive>the link failed to open...
21:19<iStrive>it did now
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21:21<illwieckz>it deserves a bug report somewhere
21:22<mnuhmnuh>illwieckz: see line 35. "transcoding: n/08 - Las Vegas & End ..." something's getting mangled (n/08 instead of Man/08).
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21:22<illwieckz>yeah, that what I say
21:22<iStrive>yep! But I didn't know if it was my code or something to do with the bash...
21:22<illwieckz>hav you read the command?
21:23<illwieckz>the only difference between two run is that bash runs avconv and redirect its output to dave null
21:23<illwieckz>both output must be the same
21:24<iStrive>avconv is messed up!
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21:25<illwieckz>even the file 09 between 10 and 08 is not processed
21:25<illwieckz>I really don't know where the bug is, but there is a very bad bug somewhere
21:25<illwieckz>that can probably be a security issue
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21:26<iStrive>now avconv has a gazilion options, and it could be what's changing the behavior?
21:26<illwieckz>it looks like avconv run by bash is able to change internal strings in bash
21:26<illwieckz>it's very bad
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21:27<iStrive>we discovered something new today! I'm not crazy, you guys are good, and we have a faulty system! ;)
21:27<iStrive>lol
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21:28<mnuhmnuh>iStrive: you're not using anything that looks bash magical, so i wonder if the same code would run as well using ksh; sh and ksh are very close syntactically.
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21:30<illwieckz>dash does the same
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21:35<illwieckz>ksh does shit too, in another way
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21:38<iStrive>I tried the tool as mediainfo and it output correctly, so I believe avconv is the problem here!
21:38<iStrive>tool="mediainfo"; find . -type f -name "*.flac" | while read f; do echo "transcoding: $f"; "${tool}" --output="Audio;%BitRate/String%" "$f" >/dev/null 2>&1; done
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21:41<mnuhmnuh>it could be something as simple as quoting/escaping (backslash) where $sh isn't really passing what you think it is to aconv.
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21:43<mnuhmnuh>good programmers are paranoid and not easily convinced their tools work the way they think they do.
21:44<illwieckz>mnuhmnuh, have you read my paste?
21:44<mnuhmnuh>also, all of these things (eg. find) have changed a lot over the decades. they don't work like they used to.
21:44<mnuhmnuh>yup.
21:44<illwieckz>have you seen I just replace avconv by echo?
21:44<illwieckz>and it magically fixed things
21:45<illwieckz>but it's the same for bash?
21:45<mnuhmnuh>illwieckz: frankly, i would have used perl, and never run into the prob.
21:46<illwieckz>please, mnuhmnuh, that's useless
21:47<mnuhmnuh>this sort of prob. is why perl was created.
21:47<iStrive>please try this one now, let's go nuts at once
21:47<iStrive>tool="avconv"; find . -type f -name "*.flac" | while read f; do echo "transcoding: $f"; "${tool}" -i "$f" -codecs >/dev/null 2>&1; done
21:48<iStrive>this time the output is correct! mych be something to do with the output for the codec that changes things for the next file...
21:48<iStrive>must
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21:49<iStrive>I got go! time to call the nigh! Ho to catch up with you guys tomorrow! thank you very much for the help guys... I really appreciated that!
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22:15<illwieckz>shit, I just got the fix
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22:18<illwieckz>if someone sees iStrive
22:18<illwieckz>tell him to replace all his:
22:18<illwieckz>avconv
22:18<illwieckz>by:
22:18<illwieckz></dev/null avconv
22:18<illwieckz>avconv is reading find's output
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22:19<mnuhmnuh>heh, heh, heh, ...
22:20<mnuhmnuh>no moss growin' on you. :-)
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22:20<illwieckz>by the way I would just wrote a subscript and do: find . -typef -name '*.flac' -print0 | xargs -0 -n1 -P$(nproc) myscript
22:21<mnuhmnuh>-type f
22:22<illwieckz>yeah, the important thing was -print0 and -0 from find and xargs
22:22<illwieckz>but it requires a real script, not a function
22:23<mnuhmnuh>yeah, cuz you can pass args into a sript, but only get $result out.
22:24<illwieckz>not
22:24<illwieckz>because xargs does not know the parent shell
22:24<illwieckz>xargs looks in $PATH
22:25<illwieckz>by the way for iStrive he can probably path -nostdin to avconv
22:26<illwieckz>pass*
22:26<mnuhmnuh>so, not a buggy avconv, or buggy $sh? syntax, & etc.
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22:35<TomTheDragon>Does anyone know how to use reprepro to pull in all "Architecture: all" packages?
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23:37<rob_debian>Hi all, please how to fix this issue :E: Failed to fetch http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian/pool/contrib/v/virtualbox-5.1/virtualbox-5.1_5.1.34-121010~Debian~stretch_amd64.deb 404 Not Found
23:37<rob_debian>E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
23:37<rob_debian>oh, sorry, more than two lines ! awfully sorry ! that wasn't my intention :(
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23:48<b17>rob_debian: I use wget --spider a lot to check issues like this
23:50<rob_debian>hi b17 superfortress, great american bomber from world war II ! thanks, b17, I'll check it through this command !
23:51<b17>404 is pretty much final i would guess
23:51<b17>that repo is broke?
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23:52<rob_debian>yes, b17, 404 code here, I was using vbox 5.1, but now it's 5.2 in vbox official site and it's not available in debian stable repository.
23:52<rob_debian>I'm doing it manually through oracle site
23:53<rob_debian>but they refer to debian stretch for that, so, I just used 'sudo apt-get install virtualbox-5.2' to replace the old package and it's going on here
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23:55<rob_debian>yes, b17, upgraded succesfully here, always using this line in /etc/apt/sources.list in debian stretch: deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian stretch contrib
23:55<b17>rob_debian: i'm a beginner so i just stik to debian repos
23:56<rob_debian>the reason is: it is not supported by debian project, b17. oh, I'm a beginner for a looooong time :)
23:57<rob_debian>but, it's not officially supported in debian, for it's 3rd part software and not available in debian stable repository
23:57<rob_debian>not supported by debian project, I meant
23:57<b17>yeah no support, that's why i don;t
23:57<b17>too old for complicated stuff
23:58<rob_debian>sure, you are right, b17, I can fix some issues alone nowadays, but it's really not recommended doing by the way I've done here
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