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#debian IRC Logs for 2018-03-01

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00:45<lacutie>what up
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01:38<Mattw>Does anyone know the status of mounting encrypted smb3 shares on debian9 ? I see there's a 4.14
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01:39<Mattw>Kernel in backjports
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01:41<Mattw>Which is rumored to have support. Iu guess I'm asking if the userland pieces are there
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01:50<jm_>Mattw: reading through https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1670508 suggests no other packages need fixing
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02:13<grawity>Mattw: there are no userland pieces for this
02:13<grawity>what cifs-utils does is mostly version-independent (name resolution, credential lookup)
02:13<grawity>unless you try to mount said shares via e.g Nautilus smb:// instead
02:14<grawity>in which case the userland is smbclient, and the kernel is not involved at all
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03:32<Guest4876>Is there a way to launch a process such that the Window it creates is not given focus? (i'm using xfce)
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03:33<jm_>in general yes, I don't know the answer for xfce
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03:40*grummund ticked "Activate focus stealing prevention" in Window Manager Tweaks, but it still happens.
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03:43<grummund>what i have is a Makefile which calls out to a c compiler (running under wine). the compiler puts up a gui progress dialog each time, which steals focus from my editor and quite ruins the workflow.
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07:56<abrotman>htxrec: You can't talk in here? What does it tell you when you try?
07:58<olasd>abrotman: they're +q'd
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07:58<abrotman>shhhh
07:58<abrotman>:)
07:59<abrotman>olasd: I meant for him to tell us in the other channel what he was getting here
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08:08<htxrec>hello, i have problems to get wifi working with a wifi dongle, I downloaded the firmware package to a usb-stick and installes with dpkg -i as root but that was the first misstake...can somebody help?
08:08<petn-randall>htxrec: Regarding factoids, "/msg dpkg", then just ask it about factoids without the exclamation mark, btw.
08:09<petn-randall>htxrec: What does 'lsusb' say about that specific device?
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08:19<htxrec>I working here on the only internet connection on a raspberry but the problem is on a debian 8 netbook.
08:20<htxrec>Bus 001 Device 043: ID 7392:a812 Edimax Technology Co., Ltd
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08:21<htxrec>that's the wifi dongle I like to use in the netbook wich had no internet connection
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08:23<TotallyNotKim>If there is no ready to use stuff this seems to be the way to go: https://github.com/diederikdehaas/rtl8812AU
08:23<TotallyNotKim>meh
08:24<htxrec>I downloaded the firmware-realtek_0.43_all.deb
08:24<htxrec> to a usb-stick and tried to install with dpkg -i, but that was not correct
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08:25<auscompgeek>oh boy an rtl8821au card
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08:26<grove>!doesn't work
08:26<dpkg>"Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
08:27<auscompgeek>the driver situation for that is a mess. there's like 50 different repos maintained by the community, none of which can be matched up with each other
08:27<TotallyNotKim>auscompgeek: I think I got one working, but had to do the self compile kernel module tango and some other stuff I dont quite remember
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08:28<auscompgeek>looks like https://github.com/abperiasamy/rtl8812AU_8821AU_linux is still maintained, but https://github.com/paspro/rtl8812au looks to be from a newer version of realtek's drivers
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08:30<htxrec>I meant with it doesn't work, I reboot it after installing manually but the dongle is not working
08:30<TotallyNotKim>you need to compile the kernel module yourself
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08:32<htxrec>okay, that package was wrong, no rtl18821au firmware (firmware-realtek (0.43)) ihave to unistall it
08:33<TotallyNotKim>yes, get rid of it and then follow https://github.com/paspro/rtl8812au
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08:33<TotallyNotKim>you can just download the repo as a zip file and move it to the box
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08:34<TotallyNotKim>you are going to move quite a few deps to that box too, so maybe build somewhere else, but I think you're better of connecting somehow to the net
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08:35<TotallyNotKim>put in the good ol' cable or something
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08:36<htxrec>the netbook has no eth0
08:37<TotallyNotKim>no connector for any wired ethernet?
08:37<TotallyNotKim>no dongle or something?
08:37<TotallyNotKim>(if it's one of those usb c things)
08:37<htxrec>I have to do all on the target pc without a an internet connection........
08:37<htxrec>that's what I'm trieing to get this dongle to work for this netbook
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08:37<TotallyNotKim>well, you can. Download the deb packages you need and move them to the box
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08:38<TotallyNotKim>or compile on a box with internet access and hope the best
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08:39<htxrec>that's a piece of hard work
08:39<htxrec>I'm not so experienced
08:40<htxrec>wich is deb package I need?
08:41<htxrec>and were to download,
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08:41<htxrec>TotallyNotKim, ist is a usb dongle
08:43<htxrec>there is a way I have here a GSM Sick that worked, so I can get access to the net
08:43<TotallyNotKim>perfect.
08:43<TotallyNotKim>set that one up and doo what the github page says
08:43<htxrec>but before I have to charge it and today I don't have money
08:44<htxrec>TotallyNotKim, yes thanks I will follow these instructions
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08:54<htxrec>thanx and bye
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10:02<bilge_emulsion[m]>Apologies if this is the wrong channel - I'm trying to create a package for an application that I don't intend to go into the debian repositories (it's for personal use, so I was just going to install it from a `.deb`). Is the Debian New Maintainers documentation the right documentation still the right docs to read? (https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/start.en.html)
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10:05<Epakai>bilge_emulsion[m]: it still gives a reasonable overview. for simple unofficial packages a lot can be ignored though. you can try asking in #packaging
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10:06<grove>bilge_emulsion[m]: I would still recommend starting with that (if your requirements are complicated you might need to continue with something else, but then it will depend on the specific requirements)
10:06<bilge_emulsion[m]>Epakai: Thanks, I'll ask in #packaging.
10:07<bilge_emulsion[m]>Ok, I just don't want to end up reading a super long document that doesn't really cover my use case. So far a huge amount of it is about licenses and upstreams and such.
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10:38<klushka>howdoyoudo, ladies and gentlemen! how to set up 4-channel sound in debian?
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10:39<klushka>i edit /etc/pulse/daemon.conf with uncommenting default-sample-channels = 4 but isn't work
10:40<klushka>restart daemon etc.
10:40<klushka>sorry does not work:-)
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10:45<klushka>how long to look at channel i/o process?
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10:56<abrotman>klushka: you might have to wait a bit for someone to answer. Otherwise, repeat the question in a couple of hours.
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10:56<klushka>a bit is 20 minutes already(
10:57<abrotman>Yes, but you're asking a fairly specialized question
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11:34<jhutchins_wk>j pulseaudio
11:34<jhutchins_wk>not valid.
11:34<jhutchins_wk>!pulseaudio
11:34<dpkg>PulseAudio (formerly Polypaudio) is a cross-platform network sound server, intended as a drop-in replacement for <ESD>. Packaged for Debian since 4.0 "Etch", read /usr/share/doc/pulseaudio/README.Debian after installation for configuration recommendations; Debian specific how-to is at http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=12497 . http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/FAQ http://pulseaudio.org/ #pulseaudio on irc.freenode.net.
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12:05<rob_debian>Hi all !
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12:07<somiaj>rob_debian: Hi, though no need to say hi each time you join, it is fine to jump straight into a question if you have one.
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12:13<somiaj>rob_debian: that is fine, you can also keep messages in the channel. It is more that if everyone said hi each time they joined, the noise is just high, so I was just sharing with your some common irc etiquette.
12:15<rob_debian>fine, somiaj, you are right. Thanks for hints, I'll be aware of what you have suggested. Thanks for information ! Glad to see you here :)
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12:32<rob_debian>Please, I'd like to know if 'proftpd' is the best and more complete option for configuring a ftp server with Debian Stretch 9.3. or are there others ?
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12:37<sevu>https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/List_of_applications/Internet#File_transfer_servers
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12:38<sevu>I suggest have a look what of the list is in the debian repos (I remember it were not all) and decide for one
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12:39<somiaj>rob_debian: I would suggest not using ftp. An ssh server using scp/sftp is just as easy to setup and far more secure.
12:40<somiaj>You can set up ssh to disable logins, but still allow scp/sftp if you don't want to be able to login remotely
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12:41<rob_debian>ok, somiaj, but, please, where can I find a debian official tutorial for that ?
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12:41<somiaj>it really depends on your use case. But installing ssh is as straight forward as apt install ssh
12:42<rob_debian>according your suggestion I'll not use ftp anymore, ssh is already installed here, but the question is: is there a debian official guide to help on this ? I'm sure there are tons of this tutorial on internet, but I'd prefer a debian tutorial
12:43<somiaj>I don't know of any, but if ssh server is already up and running, you just need an scp/sftp client to trasnfer files using it.
12:43<rob_debian>in some circumstances, man pages are a bit complex for newbies
12:43<somiaj>though I don't know your use case, and if you want to just be able to transfer files yourself, share files with other people, etc.
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12:45<rob_debian>the last option, somiaj: share files between my home server and a friend of mine from UK. So, it's other continent, and this process must be secure and stable.
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12:45<somiaj>and you trust the friend enough to give them a login on your machine? Though as I said you can limit it to only file transfer and not full login?
12:45<somiaj>if so yoru machine is already setup for this with ssh. You would just have to give your friend a user account with adduser
12:46<somiaj>if you awnted to limit the friend to only transfering files, you'll have to edit sshd_config, which is fairly standard across distros, you can look up lots of guides on various ways to limit/configure ssh/sftp access.
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12:47<rob_debian>that's ok, somiaj, my intention is to permit him only file tranfer, not a complete remote full login
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12:48<rob_debian>so, you've already answered me, in your last explanation here, and that's what I'm going to do. Thanks again for Great Support, somiaj !:)
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12:55<annadane>that looks like a password; consider changing it now that we've all seen it
12:56<blast007>they already left - could have also been a cat :)
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12:59<annadane>yeah i have all the nick stuff disabled so i never saw if they changed their name to an actual username
13:00<annadane>obviously passwords are useless to guests
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13:00<blast007>rob_debian: I'm using something like this in my sshd_config to restrict a user to just using SFTP within a chroot (I'm not sure if the 'AllowTcpForwarding no' actually affects anything in this situation): https://paste.debian.net/hidden/31fb5980/
13:01<jhutchin1_wk>rob_debian: There is a very specific way to do this, and there's a lot of obsolete/incorrect/insecure howtos on the web.
13:01<jhutchin1_wk>rob_debian: https://serverfault.com/questions/354615/allow-sftp-but-disallow-ssh
13:01<jhutchin1_wk>rob_debian: That also shows how to restrict them to their $HOME.
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13:01<jhutchin1_wk>blast007: Turning off forwarding prevents the user from setting up a tunnel, which is probably a good idea.
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13:02<blast007>yeah, I know what it does, just wasn't sure if it was relevant when using internal-sftp
13:02<rob_debian>Oh, hi blast007 ! Happy to see you again ! I'll check it your paste here, really thank you very much, blast007 !!
13:04<jhutchin1_wk>We used to use the sftponly shell, but they found a vulnerability flaw in it, and since so many people were affected the OpenSSL folks set up the internal mechanism.
13:04<rob_debian>Hi jhutchin1_wk, really thank you very much for such material ! I'll study it here too. Nice to have Great Support from you, blast007 and somiaj !!
13:05<rob_debian>I see, jhutchin1_wk, this information will be necessary for me on the following steps to configure ssh here
13:05<jhutchin1_wk>There are some really terrible howtos on that - this one's very wrong even for 2005: https://debian-administration.org/article/94/How_to_restrict_users_to_SFTP_only_instead_of_SSH
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13:06<jhutchin1_wk>Ah, read-only and retired, well that's good.
13:06<rob_debian>oh, so I'll avoid this reference, for it's dangerous, ok ?
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13:06<mifr>I have written something about that...
13:06<jhutchins_wk>Yeah, generally debian-administration.org should not be used.
13:07<rob_debian>oh, retired.. that's just fine
13:07<mifr>https://mikael.frykholm.com/blog/ssh_fileserver.html
13:08<rob_debian>because it's outdated or bad explained, jhutchins_wk ?
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13:08<mifr>not tried it for many tears though
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13:08<rob_debian>fine, mifr, is that your article for configuring ssh ?
13:08<jhutchins_wk>rob_debian: That particular article started off in an entirely wrong direction, I don't know if it ever got the correct method defined.
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13:09<jhutchins_wk>That serverfault article is good though.
13:09<jhutchins_wk>rob_debian: The good thing is that method (serverfault) is secure enough that the Federal Government uses it for financial transactions.
13:10<rob_debian>ok, jhutchins_wk, these warnings are always necessary, as I am still very new to Debian GNU / Linux. It is a good idea to avoid material that can give me confusion, not the technical solution I seek.
13:11<rob_debian>Really thank you for this Great Support, jhutchins_wk ! Nice to know you from here :)
13:11<jhutchins_wk>rob_debian: Yes, and it's good to see someone who wants to learn. Always look for material that has a date and/or specifies what versions it applies to.
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13:13<rob_debian>fine jhutchins_wk, I will be attentive to these care now, Thank you very much for your help and attention! Thank you very much !
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13:14<rob_debian>thanks for attention and information you've passed me, mifr ! I'll read it too :)
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13:40<ramp>hi there?
13:40<Dark-Jedi>Hi ramp
13:40<ramp>hey jedi
13:41<ramp>can u help me out im having a prob with debian
13:41<ramp>just newly installed it
13:41<Dark-Jedi>ramp: Just ask your question and stick around. Someone will answer it, eventually.
13:41<ramp>umm first problem. My sound isnt working!
13:42<ramp>can anyone help?
13:42<Dark-Jedi>ramp: Make sure that alsa or pulseaudio is installed
13:42<ramp>any one of them?
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13:43<ramp>will apt-get install pulseaudio work?
13:43<ramp>it says its already installed
13:43<Dark-Jedi>ramp: It should
13:44<ramp>it says its already installed
13:44<rob_debian>read your paste here, blast007. 'AllowTcpForwarding no' is default configuration or have you changed the 'yes' to 'no' in this part of the configuration of your sshd_config file?
13:45<Dark-Jedi>ramp: Then try running the command "pavucontrol" in your terminal
13:45<Dark-Jedi>ramp: That will being up the pulseaudio properties. You should also be able to find this in your Settings menu
13:46<rob_debian>I have to read the material from jhutchin1_wk e mifr still
13:46<ramp>there's no command like pavucontrol
13:47<rob_debian>just install it, ramp
13:47<Dark-Jedi>^^
13:47<rob_debian>available for installing in debian stable repository
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13:48<rob_debian>sorry, correcting here the sentence in english: available to install through the stable repository of debian
13:48<ramp>wow thanks brothers! it worked! :D
13:48<rob_debian>great !:)
13:49<Dark-Jedi>:)
13:49<ramp>also my nvidia driver isnt being detected
13:49<ramp>can u help me with that too?
13:49<Dark-Jedi>I can't. Not skilled enough with NVidia
13:49<ramp>ohh
13:49<Dark-Jedi>Maybe someone else in here will know more
13:50<ramp>yeah hopefully
13:50<ramp>rob_debian do u know anything?
13:50<rob_debian>sorry, ramp, I never used nvidia driver here :(
13:51<rob_debian>don't know how to do it
13:51<ramp>ohh never mind
13:51<ramp>also
13:51<ramp>i want to install i3wm
13:51<ramp>like i wanna switch to it
13:51<rob_debian>please, ramp, have a look on this:https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee
13:52<ramp>how do i do that? i have this silly cinnamon de which doesnt let me put anything on the desktop
13:52<ramp>ok
13:52<rob_debian>Using Bumblebee, you can use your NVIDIA card for rendering graphics which will be displayed using the Intel card.
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13:52<ramp>i see
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13:52<ramp>can u temme bout the i3 too
13:53<rob_debian>all these steps must be done through command line as root, ramp
13:53<rob_debian>'sudo apt-get install bumblebee primus' and 'sudo apt-get install bumblebee-nvidia primus' to start.
13:54<ramp>alright!
13:54<rob_debian>it's for 'Wheezy' version, so it's outdated, but probably should be applied for Debian 'Stretch' too
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13:55<ramp>i donno which debian mine is. nvm im trying that bumblee thing
13:55<blast007>rob_debian: I have mine set to yes because I do forwarding from other accounts
13:55<ramp>can u tell me bout the i3wm too
13:55<rob_debian>yes, ramp, it applies for Stretch too, I've already checked it here
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13:56<b17>ramp: i3wm will take a lot of setup from what I have read, just take your time and do one thing at a time.
13:56<rob_debian>Oh, that's what I suspected, but wasn't sure about it. blast007. Thanks for confirming it !
13:56<ramp>alright thanks
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13:56<bremner>well. i3wm only takes a lot of setup compared to using gnome without customization
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13:57<ramp>like i have this silly cinammon one. i wanna change it to something better like a tiling wm
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13:57<bremner>sure. just so you know that i3 is not a complete desktop env, rather just a window manager
13:58<bremner>so it's more DIY
13:58<blast007>ramp: do you have a hybrid intel/nvidia GPU setup? (which tends to be common in laptops with an nvidia gpu)
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14:06<zed_>some one can help me ?
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14:13<rob_debian>Hi zed_, please, just explain your problem and wait for anyone able to provide you support.
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14:20<rob_debian>oh late warning !
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14:59<gtx570>new to luinx is Debian unix or ubunto ?
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15:04<annadane>debian is wait longer than 5 minutes before leaving
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15:18<rob_debian>Please, tried to access #debian-offtopic some time ago without result. How to access it as before ?
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15:24<b17>rob_debian: you might have to say moo? or /join #whatever
15:25<rob_debian>Please, bremner had said i3 is more DIY, for it's not a complete de, like gnome, mate, kde, lxde...what's 'DIY' ?
15:25<bremner>Do It Yourself
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15:26<b17>Dont Ignore Yadocumentation
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15:27<annadane>rob_debian, are you identified to services? /msg nickserv identify password
15:27<rob_debian>oh, fine, bremner, thanks and nice to meet you here again ! Please, bremner, if I decide for a Debian Server without de, should I only install i3, for it's a windows manager, or do I need to install any other device or package
15:27<annadane>maybe #debian-offtopic requires that
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15:28<rob_debian>hi, annadane, I will try to do it. in some occasions I couldn't access other channels because of that, or didn't know exaclty how to proceed.. Please, do I have to write /msg rob_debian identify password ?
15:28<annadane> /msg nickserv identify password
15:28<annadane>where "password" is your actual password, obviously
15:29<annadane>or set up your irc client to do it automatically, which most people do
15:29<rob_debian>well, I don't have any, but I can specify one ?
15:29<annadane>well, then you need to register your account
15:29<annadane> /msg nickserv help register
15:30<rob_debian>yes, I tried it before, only could access #openbsd once, and it was invalid afterwards....
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15:30<rob_debian>for #debian-offtopic I will try it in some minutes, thanks for help and attention, annadane !:)
15:31<rob_debian>ok, b17, fine ! lol
15:32<b17>rob_debian: I haven't tried i3wm but notice a lot of chatter, sort of like justin beiber, do you know the source of all the rumors?
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15:34<rob_debian>no b17, any issue trying to use i3 without complete de ? debian servers users generally don't use kde, gnome, mate....
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15:35<b17>rob_debian: what i am asking is why you think you want it, what makes you pursue i3?
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15:37<rob_debian>my grotesque ignorance regarding a debian server, b17, because I really like the idea of using only command line as common user, in my case, the user 'r4fkramer', and not just as root, opening the terminal only for administrative tasks in Debian
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15:38<rob_debian>I installed it and used it two years ago, but don't remember its configuration, since then, It was installed in a virtual machine
15:39<rob_debian>Alzheimer's advancing here: I learn today, but I forget tomorrow, lol
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15:42<mnuhmnuh>rob_debian: https://wiki.debian.org/i3
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15:43<rob_debian>Oh, mnuhmnuh, thank you very much for information ! nice to meet you again here :)
15:43<b17>i3 is definitely on frank zappa 'top trendy' buzzwords
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17:31<Robert450>Hello, I have a minor problem with the clock in Debian 9. I changed TimeZone to the one I'm in (UTC-3), I removed NTP, I changed a line in /etc/adjtime to LOCAL (this helped with Debian making changes to the hardware clock). Still the clock shows the time three hours ahead (right now it says 22:31 instead of 19:31). Any ideas how I can change that?
17:32<dondelelcaro>Robert450: what does date -u; output right now?
17:32<Robert450>Hello dondelelcaro, Thu Mar 1 22:32:23 UTC 2018
17:32<dondelelcaro>Robert450: perfect, so your clock is set properly; the issue is just what your timezone is
17:33<dondelelcaro>Robert450: what does date; output?
17:33<Robert450>The same ^
17:33<dondelelcaro>(date --rfc-822) might be more useful)
17:33<dondelelcaro>Robert450: OK. So that sounds like you're in the UTC timezone currently.
17:33<Robert450>Thu, 01 Mar 2018 22:33:27 +0000
17:34<Robert450>Right, but I followed the instructions to change TimeZone in https://wiki.debian.org/TimeZoneChanges
17:34<Robert450>And it didn't work as I expected.
17:34<dondelelcaro>Robert450: OK. Did you run sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata; and select the right timezone?
17:34<Robert450>Yes, I did that.
17:35<dondelelcaro>OK, and if you cat /etc/timezone; that looks correct, right?
17:35<Robert450>Yes it does dondelelcaro
17:35<Robert450>"Etc/GMT-3"
17:35<Robert450>and "ls -l /etc/localtime" >> OUTPUTS TO > "/etc/localtime -> /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Argentina"
17:36<dondelelcaro>Robert450: should that be America/Argentina?
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17:36<dondelelcaro>Usually you don't use the absolute GMT offset timezones
17:37<Robert450>dondelelcaro: Yeah, I'm in Argentina
17:38<Robert450>So should i change it?
17:39<dondelelcaro>Robert450: yeah; I'd dpkg-reconfigure tzdata; and switch to America/Argentina/Buenos_Aires (or whatever is appropriate)
17:39<Robert450>dondelelcaro, actually it don't give me the optiosn to choose a location in "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata"
17:40<Robert450>it only let me choose the GMT-3 or any other there
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17:41<dondelelcaro>Robert450: that's really odd; you should have a list which includes America and then a bunch of cities in Argentina
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17:42<kenyon>Robert450: don't remove NTP
17:42<Robert450>dondelelcaro, oh wait I found the way to choose Buenos Aires now. Still don't see any changes.
17:43<dondelelcaro>Robert450: OK, cool. That will change the system timezone. If you open up a new root shell, then you should in theory see the right timezone
17:43<Robert450>kenyon, actually I didn't even installed NTP when I installed Debian. I installed it to see if it'd solve my problem but it didnt'.
17:43<dondelelcaro>Robert450: for your current shell, check what env|grep TZ; outputs
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17:44<dondelelcaro>Robert450: basically, I think you might have a TZ="UTC" variable set
17:44<Robert450>dondelelcaro, it outputs absosolutely nothing.
17:44<kenyon>Robert450: you should leave NTP installed and running to keep your clock accurate
17:45<dondelelcaro>Robert450: hrm. OK. what is /etc/localtime pointing at?
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17:45<Robert450>Oh, ok kenyon. I will re-install it then.
17:45<Robert450>dondelelcaro, /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Argentina
17:45<dondelelcaro>Robert450: oh.
17:45<dondelelcaro>Robert450: that should be /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Argentia/Buenos_Aires
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17:46<dondelelcaro>(or America/Buenos_Aires)
17:46<Robert450>Right
17:46<kenyon>dpkg-reconfigure tzdata takes care of that though
17:46<dondelelcaro>Robert450: so I think you can just change that manually; nto sure why dpkg-reconfigure tzdata; didn't do that for you
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17:48<Robert450>dondelelcaro, is /etc/timezone the file?
17:49<Robert450>If i do "cat /etc/timezone" then I get "America/Argentina/Buenos_Aires"
17:49<dondelelcaro>Robert450: /etc/localtime
17:49<dondelelcaro>Robert450: ls -l /etc/localtime; should tell you what it is pointed at
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17:50<Robert450>that outputs: /etc/localtime -> /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Argentina
17:50<Robert450>But it seems those are directories
17:50<dondelelcaro>Robert450: yeah; that's wrong. dpkg-reconfigure tzdata; should be updating that symlink, but I don't know why it's not
17:50<dondelelcaro>Oh
17:50<dondelelcaro>heh; I see it now
17:50<dondelelcaro>This is totally a bug in tzdata
17:51<Robert450>I might be at fault tho, I think I changed something manually once. That might be true cause of tzdata malfunctioning.
17:52<Robert450>I can't find the Debian Wiki page where I got the instructions.
17:52<dondelelcaro>Robert450: nah, I think the issue is that tzdata doesn't properly handle the fact that argintina is a second level zone info
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17:52<dondelelcaro>Robert450: anyway, let me try to track this down, but to fix your issue:
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17:53<Robert450>Oh, I see dondelelcaro. I guess tzdata should override any manual changes anyways, right?
17:53<dondelelcaro>Robert450: sudo ln -sf /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Argentina/Buenos_Aires /etc/localtime;
17:53<dondelelcaro>Robert450: and I'll work out a bug report so we can git this really fixed.
17:54<Robert450>dondelelcaro, Ok done thanks.
17:55<Robert450>I'm gonna reboot to see if that makes any changes, brb
17:55<Robert450>exit
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17:55<olspookishmagus>how come lvm2 is _NOT_ included in debian live?
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18:01<Robert450>dondelelcaro, well clock stills shows UTC time instead of my TimeZone time :/
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18:01<dondelelcaro>Robert450: does date; show the right time?
18:02<Robert450>dondelelcaro, Thu Mar 1 23:01:49 UTC 2018
18:02<dondelelcaro>Robert450: hrm. Does /etc/localtime still point at the right tzdata file?
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18:06<Robert450>dondelelcaro, no it doesnt anymore
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18:06<Robert450>"/etc/localtime -> /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Argentina"
18:07<dondelelcaro>hrm; that sure sounds like something is messing with /etc/localtime
18:07<dondelelcaro>and screwing it up horribly
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18:07<dondelelcaro>Robert450: are you running anything odd on this machine?
18:08<Robert450>Right. Is there a way to modify the link directly?
18:08<dondelelcaro>Robert450: that's what the ln -sf command did
18:08<dondelelcaro>Robert450: sudo ln -sf /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Argentina/Buenos_Aires /etc/localtime;
18:08<jspiros>strangest thing, I'm installing libcdio-utils on an amd64 sid system, after which dpkg -L libcdio-utils shows a different list of files than I see at https://packages.debian.org/sid/amd64/libcdio-utils/filelist
18:08<Robert450>No dondelelcaro, pretty standard machine.
18:08<jspiros>notably, I want /usr/bin/cd-paranoia, which is noted in the package description, and in that filelist at packages.debian.org, but it's not on my system :(
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18:12<dondelelcaro>jspiros: are you sure you don't want the cdparanoia package?
18:12<kenyon>jspiros: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=888053
18:12<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/888053 in libcdio-utils (open): «libcdio-utils: cd-paranoia is absent from deb package at version 1.0.0-2 (currently in testing/sid)»; severity: normal; opened: 2018-01-22; last modified: 2018-01-22.
18:13<kenyon>that's sid for ya
18:14<jspiros>kenyon: cheers, thanks, I thought I was losing my mind
18:14<jspiros>dondelelcaro: my understanding is that the libcdio port of cdparanoia has a few more features/bugs fixed
18:15<jspiros>dondelelcaro: I just thought I'd give it a try and see, as I'm already using cdparanoia from the cdparanoia package
18:16<mnuhmnuh>my /etc/timezone is "America/$city" (where $city is a city in my tz).
18:17<Robert450>dondelelcaro: Ahh finally, "unlink /etc/localtime; ln -sf /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Buenos_Aires /etc/localtime" did the trick.
18:18<Robert450>"date" now shows the correct time and the clock in the panel does too.
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18:20<Robert450>odd because the path that you gave me for linking ("/usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Argentina/Buenos_Aires") does exist too, but the alternative path ("/usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Buenos_Aires") did the trick (or maybe it was the previous "unlink" I don't know).
18:22<kenyon>the first is a symlink to the second
18:22<Robert450>So it should work anyways?
18:23<Robert450>Maybe it was the unlinking that made it work?
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18:26<Dedal_0>Hello everyone. Can anybody help with strange behavior of text selection (key ctrl + shift + arrow) in Debian 8 (Jessy) ?
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18:29<Robert450>Well, I have to leave now. Thanks for your help dondelelcaro and kenyon, goodbye.
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18:54<Dedal_0>Can anybody help with Debian 8 (Jessy) and strange bug of text selection?
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18:58<sney>!anyone
18:58<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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19:12<mnuhmnuh>i've noticed it's usually a specific app that seems clueless wrt cut+paste (eg. Qupzilla), not X or debian or linux at all. i swear at it and carry on.
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19:14<mnuhmnuh>then again, there's cut+paste, and then there's cut+paste. which conventions do you use? ctrl-x ctrl-v or mouse gestures, or ...
19:18<mnuhmnuh>you may be loading that cut into a buffer your extract isn't extracting from, for whatever reason (context).
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19:19<mnuhmnuh>Dedal_0: try "/msg dpkg smart questions"
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19:19<mnuhmnuh>dpkg is a bot
19:19<dpkg>mnuhmnuh: wish i knew
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19:20<mnuhmnuh>ask away, we can try to help.
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19:26<mnuhmnuh>too late. "/msg dpkg mouse" --> /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg-input-mouse/README.gz
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22:33<R7>Hi I am new to Linux and basically looking to start programming in C what are my options on linux as far as this goes? I am coming from VB6 a long time ago and never really advanced so I am looking for something open source and or free with a visual toolbox, you know with buttons, labels, listbox, combobox and all of that good stuff. Can anyone recommend something like this?
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22:39<somiaj>Well first this is a debian channel, that is here to support debian. Are you planning on learning to build on debian, or do you have another distro in mind?
22:40<somiaj>apt install build-essential and you can start programing in C in debian. Though you may want to look up how to use gcc (the gnu c complier)
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22:42<R7>Yes I am on Debian Thank You
22:42<R7>Using Synaptic Package Manager as I am still new to using and understanding linux commands
22:43<R7>is there any good C software on synaptic?
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22:44<dvs>what? besides gcc?
22:44<somiaj>what do you mean by good C software? just install build-essential and you'll get the tools you'll need
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22:50<R7>well I mean I am looking for the visual aspect of it, can you add command buttons, listboxes and stuff like that? I am only asking because I have seen some programming languages or software that was just like writing in a textbox for the coding.. I am looking for a software that I can add forms and buttons and all of that stuff to the forms visually not just by coding but drag n drop..
22:53<dvs>Nope. Haven't seen that in Debian. Wouldn't surprise me if there were though.
22:54<R7>ok Thanks dvs
23:00<somiaj>It might be worth just learning how to do this with a good editor and not some tool. There are most likely libaries you can use to do most the heavy lifting anyways.
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23:08<R7>ok thanks somiaj, checking on google now, I know gambas has that drag n drop interface but that is not C programming is is Basic..
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23:55-!-Darcidride is "Quentin" on #ceph #debian #debian-boot #debian-gnome #debian-next #gcc #observium #osm #ovirt #qemu #tor #tor-project #virt
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23:57-!-Ericounet is "realname" on #debian #debian-next
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