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00:49<tomg>xzmt, official Debian IRC channel
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02:19<xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Hello
02:20<xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Today, I will explain the root cause of Negro inferiority
02:20<xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Once upon a time, before civilization and morality, people fucked animals. Europeans fucked goats, and Africans fucked chimpanzees
02:21<xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Then the Europeans also had time in between fucking goats to carve tools out of stone, and eventually learn to melt down metals, and thousands of years later, even made computers
02:22<xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>however, Africa had no goats, only chimps to fuck
02:22<xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>and its a lot more time consuming to round up chimps than goats
02:22<xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>so africans spent all their waking hours chimpfucking,
02:23<xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>didnt have time to build anything, didnt have time to hunt for food, so they ate a mix of chimp shit and their own shit
02:23<xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>We've all heard the phrase "you are what you eat", and the Negro brain evolved fron generations of eating chimpanzee feces.
02:24<xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>now why are we so shocked that all niggers can do is wallow in their shit?
02:24<xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Ganneff, [6667]ThinkTank, [E]sc, _kab, aboudreault, abreu[m], abrotman, absenta, acharles, adhawkins, adi, aditya, adriana, AFNobody, AfroThundr, afx237, ageis, aguslr, Airwave, ais-admin, akosiaris, Akronym, Alam_Squeeze, albertsh, Aldryic, alegen:
02:24<xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Alex[m]1, alkyl, amoe, Anarka, andi-, Andiidna, andre_, andres, annadane, ansel, Anthony[m]:
02:25<xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>anto, anyk_, ap4lmtree, apiers[m], apo, appas, arand, Arrowmaster, arrsim, Asara, Astra, Attoy, aurieeeh, auscompgeek, avalenn, avar, avelardi, average-guy, aviau, b17, babilen, babs, babyflakes, banc, BanHammor, bciGo[m], benages, berto, bestucan[m], bhe[m], bhuvi, bilbo:
02:25<xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>bilge_emulsion[m], biotim, bit9[m], bjb, bla, blacksyke, blaecwen, blast007, blathijs, blindsight`, blu, blue, bluesceada, Blupon, bnw, bobe, BOHverkill, bolt, bony, bony_, boredatwork, boud, breitenj, bremner, brian-, BrianR, brians, broucaries:
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02:26<kezimo>canihaztrolls?
02:26<xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>hi kezimo
02:26<kezimo>allo
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02:30<NIGG3RS_FUCK_CHIMPANZEES>wtf
02:30<NIGG3RS_FUCK_CHIMPANZEES>jm_:
02:30<NIGG3RS_FUCK_CHIMPANZEES>why ban me?
02:30<NIGG3RS_FUCK_CHIMPANZEES>ban the niggers instead
02:30<NIGG3RS_FUCK_CHIMPANZEES>they molest chimpanzees
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02:36<blaecwen>When changing IP for network device in /etc/network/interfaces and running `systemctl restart networking` there are two IPs (old and new one) for device. Is it some error in my configuration?
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02:37<dwfreed>no, ifupdown doesn't remove the old address because it's not in the configuration anymore
02:38<jm_>yeah you want to call ifdown first IIRC
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02:48<blaecwen>but there was different behavior in Debian Jessie, am I wrong?
02:51<jm_>AFAIR it was always like this, but it's not like I've done it tens of times
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02:59<blaecwen>I have checked it on debian 8. There was networking script in init.d while in debian 9 it is just service file with ifup/ifdown
02:59<blaecwen>and in debian 8 there was not such problem
03:00<blaecwen>because networking script was running `ip addr flush` command
03:01<blaecwen>may it be a bug in debian 9?
03:02<blaecwen>It seems strange that after networking restart there stays old values from interfaces file
03:06<jm_>it still has the script in init.d, maybe this bug https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=883754 ?
03:06<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/883754 in ifupdown (open): «ifupdown: after changing static ip: old ip still exists»; severity: normal; opened: 2017-12-07; last modified: 2017-12-07.
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03:17<blaecwen>Yes, it the same bug. I will use init.d script instead of systemd service then. Thank you
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03:19<jm_>looking at the /etc/init.d/networking I can't find ip addr flush in it as you said, neither in debian 8 nor 9
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03:27<blaecwen>may be it calls something else? Because there is a message in log stating that it does ip flush. The message: `Mar 05 11:24:12 asap-sa-dev-deb8 networking[21714]: ip -4 addr flush dev eth0 label eth0`
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03:28<blaecwen>I have enabled VERBOSE to get the log
03:28<jm_>ok right, that command is in /sbin/ifdown, but it's also there in debian 9
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03:29<jm_>so maybe the difference is that calling /etc/init.d/networking restarts calls ifdown and then ifup, but the other way arround not?
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03:30<blaecwen>systemd should run ifdown too. Let me check
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03:33<blaecwen>yep, ifdown is ran when running `systemctl restart networking`
03:34<blaecwen>but there is no flush in the log
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03:43<blaecwen>running `/etc/init.d:qЖ:wq`
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03:43<jm_>ok then one would need to investigate further what the difference is
03:43<blaecwen>*running `/etc/init.d/networking` does not help in debian 9 also
03:44<jm_>I can only repeat that last statement then :)
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04:07<MarkedOne>Hello I have installed mysql-server mysql-client and when I connect it prints MariaDB why is that?
04:08<annadane>because mariadb replaces mysql in stretch: https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#mariadb-replaces-mysql
04:09<blaecwen>Ok, I have found the reason. The change is in inet.defn file from ifupdown sources. In debian 8 there was line with flush, while in debian 9 it was changed to line that deletes only IP from interfaces file.
04:09<blaecwen>I think I have no choice other then implement some work-around later to fix it
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04:11<MarkedOne>annadane: Yeah but why MariaDB and not postgre? Isnt problem with SQL servers that they are different?
04:12<leoquet>coucou
04:12<annadane>as far as i understand mariadb is essentially exactly mysql but with rebranding because people didn't like the idea of relying on oracle
04:13<annadane>i'm afraid it's not a subject i know terribly much about however
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04:13<jm_>blaecwen: it looks like they re-added it for some cases https://anonscm.debian.org/cgit/collab-maint/ifupdown.git/commit/inet.defn?id=d748813b7b94dc333cf455e0e7c213d71f9cbe96
04:14<MarkedOne>annadane: Ah.. if debian changed it. Then it is probably safe :)
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04:34<BanHammor>...oof, did we get another spammer last night? i got pinged but my logs don't go very far
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04:39<jm_>yes, about 3 hours ago
04:39<blaecwen>jm_: Ah, it is good, but the version of ifupdown in debian 9 is older, so the bug will not be fixed until debian 10, correct?
04:40<jm_>blaecwen: maybe a backport is an option, there is one for jessie
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04:44<blaecwen>hm, can I try to backport it by myself for debian stretch? Or it should be done by some authorized people?
04:45<jm_>yeah should be relatively simple for this package
04:45<jm_>!ssb
04:45<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
04:46<annadane>oh, uupdate. i've been doing it wrong this whole time
04:46<annadane>welp
04:49<blaecwen>ok, thank you then. I will try do that at my spare time later
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04:58<jm_>no problem
04:59<BanHammor>what does ssb stand for?
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05:03<jm_>Simple Sid Backport
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05:15<jelly>!literal ssb
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08:02<pnbo>Is there some device like Raspberry Pi that could run debian?
08:03<sakax>how do you remove a CDFS partition on a USB drive via Debian? googling only gives me shady advices :S
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08:05<jamesmc>pnbo: Raspbian, the official Raspberry Pi OS, is a Debian variant
08:05<jm_>also, debian works on rpi, see https://wiki.debian.org/RaspberryPi
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08:08<pnbo>unfortunately, raspbian is very far from being debian
08:08<pnbo>the wiki gives me a 403 error, is there a mirror?
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08:44<TotallyNotKim>pnbo: why do you consider raspbian to be "too far off"?
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09:14<pnbo>TotallyNotKim: slow security updates, lots of useless packages installed by default, including non-free packages by default
09:15<TotallyNotKim>pnbo: seems reasonable
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09:17<pnbo>essentially, raspbian does not feel like debian, because it does not adhere to the Debian Social Contract
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09:17<pnbo>and here I am, sitting on a RPi3 (not literally), and a zero-ed out sdcard, wondering what to do
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09:58<[E]sc>i'm trying to make a customized liveusb with deb packages, if i add those packages, do i need to include all the library dependencies?
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10:02<gtx570>this not windows 10 ? why it look like this what my kid done now ? who are you all on my screen .
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10:46<daemonkeeper>So, I am bootstrapping Debian into a disk image subject to run from a virtualized enviroment. How do I trick update-grub not to use the temporary loopback mountpoints as reference to the root disk? I mean, short of rewriting the generator script fundamentally.
10:47<daemonkeeper>i.e. I am getting: "linux /boot/vmlinuz-4.9.0-4-amd64 root=/dev/mapper/loop1p1 ro single " but that's of course not applicable for the final deployment, that refers to the bootstrap loopback.
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10:54<BanHammor>it would probably be easier to create a virtual image the old fashioned conventional way:
10:55<lupine>hmm, can I limit the packages an apt key is considered valid for?
10:55<BanHammor>booting with the netboot CD and an empty virtual disk, installing Debian on that disk, and then using the result as your disk image.
10:56<lupine>currently I do `apt-key add -` and that gives $random_third_party the ability to override any package they like, more or less
10:56<BanHammor>lupine, you can limit by repo
10:57<lupine>heh. I don't think that helps much :/
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10:59<BanHammor>you can also set the package priorities so that package upgrades will not be pulled from $rando
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11:03<BanHammor>https://wiki.debian.org/DebianRepository/UseThirdParty this guide helps
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11:42<chachasmooth>how to deal with packages which require me to change their shipped config file in unattended upgrade-mode? e.g. the "tor" package installs /etc/tor/torrc and the tor binary only loads this config file by default. I need to modify the default torrc to, so how to make unattended upgrades work?
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11:53<BanHammor>chachasmooth, does the -y flag help?
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13:01<ellie>what software do you recommmed for editing video on debian 9 stretch
13:01<ellie>something that is known to work decently
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13:07<BanHammor>ellie, i had pretty good luck with kdenlive
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13:09<pron>lupine: its not random third psrty
13:09<pron>its third party u trust
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13:09<pron>otherwise whu would you trust their keys =)
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13:10<pron>in other words always think twice when you add keys
13:10<pron>and repos
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13:27<sp4ank1>hi
13:28<ellie>I'll look it up BanHammor
13:28<ellie>hey sp4ank1
13:28<sp4ank1>i like to hack a insagram acount
13:28<annadane>not the channel for tha
13:28<annadane>t
13:28<annadane>this is for debian support
13:28<ellie>I'd like an ice cream
13:28<sp4ank1>ah ok
13:28<annadane>also, if you have to ask about hacking maybe you shouldn't
13:28<sp4ank1>alguien habla castellano
13:28<annadane>!es
13:28<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
13:28<ellie>give me your credit card numbers and your security code and I'll help you hack
13:31<sp4ank1>what are doing in this chat
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13:33<annadane>as i said, this is for debian support questions
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13:52<pron>i would like to spank some mamas
13:53<lupine>pron: it's a third party I trust for package X
13:53<lupine>it's not necessarily one I trust for, e.g., coreutils
13:53<pron>you either trust them or
13:53<pron>not
13:53<pron>;+)
13:53<lupine>that's not actually how reality works
13:54<pron>that they gonaoput crap in their repo
13:54<pron>its part of the deal
13:54<pron>or
13:54<pron>if you dont trust them , you can also compile software on yoru own
13:54<lupine>trust can be gradated
13:54<pron>your*
13:54<lupine>the current implementation doesn't allow for that, but that doesn't mean it's a bad idea
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15:06<iStrive>Hi all, good afternoon!
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15:08<iStrive>I have a variable as follows: bt=“128 kB/s”. How to remove the “ kB/s” portion of it?
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15:12<somiaj>what programing language, I think you should be asking in #bash on irc.freenode.net, as you seem to be asking mostly scripting, so bash specific questions
15:12<somiaj>if not bash, find a channel for the programing language you tried to use
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15:14<iStrive>That’s bash, on Debra stretch
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15:14<jhutchins_wk>iStrive: What do you mean by "remove"?
15:14<iStrive>Hello my friend, seems that you are always up to a good challenge!
15:15<iStrive>I want end up with 128 only, remove everything else (the space and string”
15:15<jhutchins_wk>iStrive: echo $bt | awk '{print $1}'
15:16<iStrive>Let me try
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15:16<somiaj>I think you can do some simple find/replace in bash directly
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15:17<iStrive>Yep, that’s it!
15:18<iStrive>It worked from the cmd... is this the same sintaxe from inside a script?
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15:18<somiaj>you could just do bt2=${bt%kB/s}
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15:18<somiaj>though as I said, you may find a bash channel better help for this type of thing.
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16:53<mjacob>are there (half-)official images which can be run as-is on a virtual machine (e.g. qemu)?
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16:54<ryouma>i do rec aaa.ogg, then make noises on my line in, and the noises come through speaker. i ^C and do play aaa.ogg, and silence. ideas?
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17:13<Brigo>ryouma, maybe your rec are recording from the wrong source.
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17:18<ryouma>i screwed with alsamixer and got it to record faintly with really high hiss. then i tried lowering settings and i get silence again. dunno why it worked for a second.
17:19<ryouma>but the silence is total silence
17:19<ryouma>dunno if pcm etc. are relevant. many settings.
17:19<ryouma>or if mic is (line seems relevant)
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18:45<illwieckz>iStrive, I have the solution for the bug we saw the other day
18:46<iStrive>Hey body, what is it?
18:46<iStrive>Buddy, iPad! Lol
18:47<illwieckz></dev/null avconv
18:48<illwieckz>or:
18:48<illwieckz>avconv --nostdin
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18:48<illwieckz>the bug was avconv reading input, like read
18:48<iStrive>At the end of the command? Will it create conflict with > file when generating reports?
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18:48<illwieckz>"read" read a name, and "avconv" randomly read some characters
18:48<illwieckz>where you want
18:48<illwieckz>or just use --nostdin
18:49<illwieckz>the thing is: you have to prevent avconv to read what find prints
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18:49<iStrive>Ok, now I got it!
18:49<illwieckz>in fact it was a very bad idea from me to suggest you to do find | read :p
18:49<mnuhmnuh>illwieckz: i saved off that whol eureka of yours, if iStrive wants to see it, i can pastebinit again. :-)
18:50<iStrive>But that was the only way it worked...
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18:50<illwieckz>because you never know if the other commands in the while loop will read or not :p
18:50<iStrive>What is the workaround instead of while read f; then?
18:50<illwieckz>you can make safe any command in a "find | while read" loop by doing: </dev/null mycommand
18:51<illwieckz>but avconv has a special parameter for that
18:51<illwieckz>you can do: mycommand </dev/null >/some/file or: >/some/file mycommand </dev/null
18:51<illwieckz>the shell don't mind
18:51<iStrive>Yes , please! That would help,
18:51<illwieckz>or: mycommand >/some/file </dev/null
18:51<mnuhmnuh>https://paste.debian.net/1013287/
18:51<illwieckz>there is really no one order :p
18:52<illwieckz>a very safe solution would be to do:
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18:53<illwieckz>find "${dir}" -name "${patern}" -print0 | xargs -0 command
18:53<illwieckz>but in this case 'command' must be a real command in $PATH :/
18:53<iStrive>Ok,you never know where or what bash will create a case against you... lol
18:53<illwieckz>except that if you use bash you can pass a function to xargs using a trick
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18:54*mnuhmnuh should'a used perl.
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18:55<illwieckz>export -f myfunction ; find "${dir}" -name "${pattern}" -print0 | xargs -0 bash -c 'myfunction "$@"' myfunction
18:55<illwieckz>that's very tricky :p
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18:55<illwieckz>but doing: xargs -P$(nproc) -n1 …
18:55<illwieckz>you run one task per core
18:55<illwieckz>:p
18:56<iStrive>And it’s way out of my league for now...
18:57<illwieckz>btw you learn a new thing: every command in a "something | while read a; do command; done" loop can read what "something" produced
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18:59<illwieckz>for example you can do: cat file | while read name; do read firstname; read phonenumber; printf '%s % has %s phone number\n' "${firstname}" "${name}" "${phonenumber}"; done
19:00<illwieckz>if your file has people information with first line being name, second line being firstname, third line being phonenumber, then same for next people
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19:09<iStrive>Got it
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20:04<RamboLiu>hello everyon
20:04<RamboLiu>hello everyone
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20:05<RamboLiu>i find i can not install debian on Apollo lake platform with UEFI mode
20:05<RamboLiu>anybody can help me
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20:06<sney>describe your whole problem and what you tried, what you expected to happen, etc
20:06<sney>if you wait for "anybody" to help you then nobody will
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20:06<RamboLiu> thank you
20:07<RamboLiu>@sney thanks
20:07<RamboLiu>1. Download debian-9.3.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso 2. Download Universal-USB-Installer-1.9.8.0.exe 3. Make a U disk install media. till complete. 4. Connect U disk to 120s-13IAP. 5. Power on and press F12 to select UEFI U disk boot. 6. Find this issue.
20:08<RamboLiu>I try another Apollo Lake unit. still can find this issue
20:08<RamboLiu>Legacy boot mode can boot to install interface.
20:08<RamboLiu>Kaby Lake Y/U have no this issue.
20:09<RamboLiu>120s-13IAP can install "ubuntu-17.10.1-desktop-amd64" successfully.
20:10<RamboLiu>change a bootx64.EFI file. issue disappear.
20:10<RamboLiu>suspect debian boot image have compatible issue with APL platform.
20:11<sney>the debian installer is a hybrid image and can be written directly to usb media. I bet your usb installer program is modifying it in some way that breaks this
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20:12<sney>the correct windows utility to write the install media is win32 disk imager. it does not modify the iso before writing it to usb
20:13<RamboLiu>but the same U disk can install debian on another kaby lake U notebook
20:14<RamboLiu>ok i will try win32 disk imager tools
20:14<blast007>does the system perhaps only have a 32-bit UEFI?
20:14<RamboLiu> thanks you
20:14<RamboLiu>i change to Legacy boot mode
20:15<RamboLiu>can install
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20:15<blast007>might want to try with the multiarch ISO
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20:16<RamboLiu>but can not boot to OS after installation. have no error during install process
20:17<somiaj>what fails in the boot? Do you see grub, or does that fail? It it efi or legacy boot?
20:18<RamboLiu>did not see grub
20:18<RamboLiu>bios show lose boot media
20:19<RamboLiu>@somiaj legacy boot
20:19<RamboLiu>UEFI mode can not install, will hang with cursor while i select UEFI U Disk boot
20:20<somiaj>you have to disable secure boot for efi, but if using legacy boot, are you sure grub was installed correctly and you are booting off the correct disk?
20:20<somiaj>!fixmbr
20:20<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
20:20<somiaj>you may want to manually boot from a resuce system and manually install grub to get your system to boot
20:23<RamboLiu>@sney thank you. i am trying Win32DiskImager.
20:23<RamboLiu>@somiaj i will do it later .thank you
20:23<somiaj>if the install worked, you dhouldn't need to inrestall.
20:24<RamboLiu>@somiaj i have to install it under UEFI mode
20:25<RamboLiu>@dpkg thank you. i got it
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20:29<altrortla>Buonanotte...!!! Ho appena finito di installare Debian 9, ma non mi compare la schermata di Login (Schermo nero con cursore). Già sono quattro cinque volte che provo ad installarlo sia in versione gnome che in versione kde e più o meno è questa la situazione in cui mi ritrovo. Gli errori che mi dà sulla TTY sono che devo installare i driver per la scheda video AMD (io ho una RV630 pro...
20:29<altrortla>...AGP)..Comunque in qualche maniera (ora ho installato la vesione kde con driver-non-free) ho inserito la password su schermo nero senza vedere nulla e sono entrato. Quasi immediatamente mi ha dato errore KWin con descrizione Segmentation fault, subito dopo un'altro (che non ricordo) e mi si è aperta una finestra di terminale (gdb) di debug (credo). E non so che farci. Ora approfittando...
20:29<altrortla>...della finestra terminale (altrimenti non avrei potuto fare nulla e sarei rimasto solo col cursore su schermo nero) ho lanciato firefox. Ed eccomi qui a chiedere il vostro aiuto... Vorrei impostare plasma in modalità minimale ma devo partire da Terminal e non so come fare. Se qualcuno ha qualche suggerimento è benvenuto
20:29<sney>!it
20:29<dpkg>Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
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20:40<RamboLiu_>@sney, Win32DiskImager still have the bug
20:41<somiaj>what bug? What image are you using?
20:41<altrortla>I've just now finish to install debian 9, but I have NO login screen (black screen with mouse pointer). Now it's 4 or 5 times that I'm trying to install It (both in Gnome and in Kde) but situation is still quite the same. The error that I find in TTY is essentlially tha I have to install also amd-driver . So this last attempt I have installed a KDE version with non-free package, but the...
20:41<altrortla>...error still remain. This last time instead I've tried to Login on a black screen, but no applcation appears and Plasma won't start. After a while get Kwin error with "Segmentation fault" error 11, and GDB (may be debug software) in a Terminal windows appears. Now I have this situation. i'd like to to set plasma in a minimal way. But I have only a terminal, an firefoz lauched from it. Any tip?
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20:42<RamboLiu_>sney suggest me to use Win32DiskImager to burn iso. i use Universal-USB-Installer-1.9.8.0 before
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20:42<dvs>RamboLiu_, the name of the .iso is???
20:42<RamboLiu_>debian-9.3.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso
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20:43<RamboLiu_>i only met this issue on intel apollo lake paltform ( 3 project3 all have te bug)
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20:44<RamboLiu_>Bug Description: Apollo Lake UEFI mode can not Boot to U disk. hangup with cursor. (secure boot disabled)
20:45<blast007>RamboLiu_: try this one in UEFI mode: https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-9.3.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso
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20:46<RamboLiu_>@blast007. thank you . i will do it just now
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20:48<RamboLiu_>@blast007 which tool you preferred to burn this iso
20:48<blast007>Win32DiskImager
20:48<blast007>(Etcher might also work)
20:51<sney>as long as it doesn't unpack the iso and change it before writing to disk, it should be fine
20:52<ais-admin>I use Win32DiskImager for Bootable USB writing - works well. If you want to use a CD then isoburn.exe /Q X: isofile.iso
20:52<ais-admin>where X is Writable Drive Letter
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20:54<RamboLiu_>the problem puzzled me is why only apollo lake units have this bug
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20:56<sney>sometimes new generations of hardware have minor incompatibilities until the software catches up
20:56<sney>(and sometimes other distros are more willing to risk releasing cutting edge patches with a "stable" os)
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20:59<somiaj>RamboLiu_: sure it is the apollo lake unit and not the uefi firmware? Sounds more like a firmware issue to me, and the firmware does keep changing int he uefi land
21:01<somiaj>anyways, if ubuntu works to boot, you could proabaly just manually deboot strap debian. Or maybe setup a gtp partition table, install debian via the legacy installer, then switch it to uefi boot using a ubuntu or some other live system that boots efi.
21:01<RamboLiu_>@somiaj it is apollo lake unit and it is UEFI firmware
21:01<somiaj>ahh I thought apollo lake was a code name for just the intel processor, not the firmware of the mobo.
21:02<RamboLiu_>yes. it is intel platform code name
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21:02<somiaj>I do forget they are more integrated into chipsets and maybe firmware, I was just thinking cpu, which I doubt was the issue.
21:03<somiaj>anyways, you could get uefi debian on it if ubuntu works I imagine, you may just not be able to with the installer.
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21:06<RamboLiu_>@somiaj it is my first time to learn linux. i can not understand your suggestion clearly. would you help provide some links. i will study it to try again
21:08<mnuhmnuh>RamboLiu_: always try searchin wiki.debian.org; lots useful tips there.
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21:10<somiaj>RamboLiu_: it might require a bit of work for someone learning. And I don't nkow any links for this paticular issue (it is kinda a mix of things)
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21:10<RamboLiu_>mnuhmnuh, thank you
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21:11<RamboLiu_>somiaj, i got it, thank you.
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21:11<RamboLiu_>google and bing. haha
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21:29<twb>Is there a way to simulate a SMART or MD error, to confirm that those daemons actually send an email?
21:29<twb>Without having to sit through an annoying resync, I mean
21:29<mnuhmnuh>RamboLiu_: ixquick.com
21:29<twb>plan B is to just physically remove one disk from a running low-importance system, and then put up with a boring resync
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22:12<rob_debian>Hi all, please, I'd like to know if these lines in 'dmesg' mean any trouble in my Debian Stretch:[ 15.188835] usb 1-1.6: firmware: failed to load ar3k/AthrBT_0x31010000.dfu (-2)
22:13<rob_debian>[ 957.806788] ath: phy0: Could not kill baseband RX
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22:16<twb>rob_debian: that means you have a wifi chip that needs non-free firmware blob to work
22:16<twb>rob_debian: if you don't need to use wifi/bluetooth, you can just ignore it
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22:23<rob_debian>hi twb, thanks for attending me here :) well, twb, that's not my case, I use wi-fi connection frequently here
22:24<rob_debian>so, please, what should I do in this case ?
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22:24<blast007>that one specifically looks like it's bluetooth
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22:24<BLAJBLAJ>hello
22:24<rob_debian>hi blast007, nice to see you here again !
22:25<rob_debian>hi BLAJBLAJ
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22:25<BLAJBLAJ>this is cool
22:25<twb>rob_debian: if it's working as-is, you don't care
22:26<rob_debian>fine twb, thanks for advice !
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22:27<rob_debian>I'm asking that because today I turned on my laptop, and cursor didn't move at screen with blanks for user and passwd
22:27<rob_debian>I had to reboot it, and finally I was respondind and moving. I use mate in debian
22:27<twb>unless your keyboard/mouse are connected via bluetooth, that is unlikely to be the issue
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22:27<rob_debian>not the case here, twb
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22:30<rob_debian>please, do you know the reason it's happened, twb ?
22:31<twb>rob_debian: you bought evil hardware?
22:31<rob_debian>ahaha, no twb, dell here
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22:31<twb>rob_debian: it needs non-free code to work, so it's evil
22:32<rob_debian>oh, I see twb, yeah, in fact it's really evil hardware
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22:33<hbautista>Maybe you need atheros module on kernel in order to use wifi
22:34<twb>hbautista: if rob_debian is running stock debian kernel, the driver is there, just not the firmware
22:34<twb>which is probably called "firmware-atheros-nonfree" or "firmware-atheros"
22:35<twb>https://packages.debian.org/stretch/firmware-atheros
22:35<hbautista>That's right, my bad
22:36<twb>hooraaaaaay >flails arms like kermit t frog<
22:37<somiaj>wifi firmware is strange, it is non-free, but due to wireless regulations it is hard to make it open (and might not be legal to do so in some countries)
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22:37<somiaj>though openWRT has at least shwon in practice it is possible, provided you just refuse to let anyone or tell anyone how to control the frequency and power settings.
22:37<rob_debian>I see, hbautista, thanks for attention here too !! well, twb thanks for information, I'll check it on this url you've passed me. really thank you very much, twb !:)
22:38<rob_debian>hi somiaj, thanks for information !
22:38<hbautista>rob_debian, you need to update the sources.list file and add "contrib non-free" and then apt update & apt install firmware-atheros
22:40<rob_debian>please, hbautista, my sources.list I pasted for you have a look: https://paste.debian.net/1013305/
22:41<rob_debian>done here: Setting up firmware-atheros (20161130-3) ...
22:42<somiaj>now that you have the firmware, you can remove contrib and non-free if you don't want access to that software. The software is fine, it is just outside of debian due to license (legal) reasons
22:42<somiaj>outside of debian main.
22:47<twb>somiaj: except then you won't get any security updates for that non-free firmware :P
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22:47<somiaj>then leave it in security, (:
22:48<twb>oh yeah I guess
22:50<awal1>#773310
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22:50<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/773310 in firmware-atheros (closed, moreinfo): «Fails to load ar3k/AthrBT_0x31010000.dfu»; severity: normal; opened: 2014-12-16; last modified: 2017-07-04.
22:50<awal1>looks like firmware-atheros needed yeah
22:51<rob_debian>according what twb has observed and according your explanation, somiaj, despite the fact it will not be update again, is that better removing non-free from all the lines in my 'sources.list' for security reasons
22:51<rob_debian>?
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22:53<somiaj>rob_debian: the only reason to remove them is if you don't want to have non-free software avaialbe to you to install. It is more a personal stance on what software you choose to support/use.
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22:54<rob_debian>ok, somiaj, understood here. thank you very much for explanation ! nice to meet you again :)
22:55<somiaj>the packages are provided by debian, they just do not comply to the DSFG, https://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines
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22:56<rob_debian>yes, somiaj, I see...
22:57<rob_debian>Thank you very much for Great Support,twb, hbautista, somiaj,judda, blast007 and awal1 !! The old and ever-renewed open source paradigm remains: Debian Warriors are always The Best !!!!
22:58<rob_debian>Thank you very much !!! See you :)!
22:58<awal1>:D
22:58<twb>I ain't a warrior
22:59<rob_debian>you are twb, you belong to the Best Team and the Best Team is Always Debian Warriors here !! sure, awal1 agrees also !
23:00<rob_debian>Bye all ! God Bless you All !!!
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23:01<twb>soldiers will always fuck up warriors because warriors don't know how to fight as a group
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23:01<somiaj>what about us pasifists.
23:02<awal1>pacifists always losers, sadly :p
23:02<twb>I was actually still thinking about how e.g. one microbiologist will in turn beat a whole battalion of soldiers
23:03<twb>awal1: you mean like how india is still a british colony?
23:03<awal1>twb, for example, yeah
23:03<twb>because erm, it isn't
23:04<twb>salt march was pretty much textbook example of ahimsa :P
23:04<awal1>it is partially
23:04<awal1>colonialism still there
23:04<twb>true
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23:32<mnuhmnuh>geez, and i get peed at for ot. hnuh.
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23:34<twb>sowwy
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23:38<dvs>mnuhmnuh, stay on topic!!!!
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23:52<scrool>hola
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23:54<twb>scrool: hi, can we help you with Debian?
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