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#debian IRC Logs for 2018-03-06

---Logopened Tue Mar 06 00:00:34 2018
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---Logclosed Tue Mar 06 00:15:19 2018
---Logopened Tue Mar 06 00:15:28 2018
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00:28<vifo>Hi folks! I am trying to bring up a bridge under sid with ifup (http://paste.debian.net/1013315/). This takes >10 seconds. Any ideas, what's going on? Log does not show anything useful.
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00:30<annadane>!debian-next
00:30<dpkg>#debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
00:30<annadane>vifo, ^
00:33<vifo>annadane: thanks and pardon me
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03:38-!-debalance is "Philipp Huebner" on #debian-devel-changes #debian-kde #debian
03:39<rob_debian>Hi all, please, accidentally I used this path to test kernel linux 4.15 in debian (I currently use 4.14 from debian backports). As soon as I used it, I saw it was about ubuntu based. Please, how do I remove this action from my Debian Stretch 9.3 here ?
03:39<rob_debian>wget http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v4.15/linux-headers-4.15.0-041500_4.15.0-041500.201802011154_all.deb
03:39<ach>!bop
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03:42<ach>!hi
03:42<dpkg>hello, ach
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03:50<iKarith>rob_debian: Have you installed the kernel from it?
03:51<iKarith>that line just downloads a file. If you didn't install it, just remove it.
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03:52<iKarith>the file will be named linux-headers-4.15.0-04blahblahblahjusthittab :)
03:52<iKarith><3 tab completion
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03:53<rob_debian>Hi iKarith, thanks for attention given ! well, iKarith, in fact, I just did that procedure described above, and nothing more. I was very inattentive, for not having read the name 'ubuntu' on the line. After I saw that it was referring to a procedure developed for ubuntu, I did not continue.
03:53<rob_debian>However, I'm sorry the question maybe even idiot, but, please, how do I remove this content from my debian?
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03:54<grawity>to undo a 'wget', remove the file
03:54<grawity>to undo a 'dpkg --install', use 'dpkg --remove'
03:54<iKarith>rob_debian: You didn't actually install it. It'd be the equivalent of downloading a .zip file from a website (that's what wget does)
03:54<iKarith>so just "rm linux-headers<press tab>" and it will probably complete the whole filename for you.
03:55<iKarith>do be careful pressing return on any rm lines, but if you're running it right after the wget of a file you no longer want…
03:56<iKarith>rm is the delete command for terminals. Tends to bypass whatever Gnome/etc trash folders you have.
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04:01<rob_debian>Hi grawity, thanks for information given ! well, iKarith, fine, thanks for that :) I'll use command line here and stupidly forgot the so common 'rm' command for files.
04:03<iKarith>I can't recommend one offhand, but a good bash 101 guide is a useful thing. As would be a cheatsheet for common commands.
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04:05<rob_debian>fine, iKarith, thank you very much for great support !:) I'll remove 'frankdebian' traces around here. But, worse than that, it would be having a 'Debuntu' running here ....
04:07<rob_debian>Thank you iKarith for great support ! Thanks for attention too, grawity :)
04:07<rob_debian>See you ! Bye !
04:08<iKarith>Ubuntu's all right. Debian's all right. Raspbian's all right. I use all three. Mixing them up, as you've noted, is best avoided in the vast majority of cases.
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04:09<iKarith>I've combined packages from one for the other from source a time or two, but that's not an end-user task.
04:09<rob_debian>fine, iKarith, surely it doesn't make sense and I never intended to do it, for I love Debian a lot to make such crime
04:10<rob_debian>oh, I see...anyway, thanks for great support again iKarith !
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04:12<iKarith>n/p. Time for me to crash—I have to be across town in 7 hours.
04:12<iKarith>Sleep would be nice first. ;)
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04:14<eraser>haii?
04:14<eraser>hi?
04:14<rob_debian>have you a good day, iKarity ! hope it all go fine across town in 7 hours :) see you !
04:15<eraser>see you to
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04:16<rob_debian>yeah, sleep a little bit here.. see you !!!
04:16<rob_debian>bye !:)
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07:05<traumschule>on buster my X session vanished when I try to switch to another tty. Has anyone seen this before?
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07:09<blast007>traumschule: testing/unstable are supported in #debian-next
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07:11<dpkg>#debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
07:11<petn-randall>traumschule: ^^^
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07:49<traumschule>thanks blast007 and petn-randall. https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=865121 is the most related I could find so far
07:49<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/865121 in lightdm (open): «LightDM restarts X.org when switching from an unmanaged X11 tty»; severity: important; opened: 2017-06-19; last modified: 2017-06-29.
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08:27<dfceaef[m]>how can i download a pgp key from keyserver by its id to a file without importing to the keyring?
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08:31<petn-randall>dfceaef[m]: Why not download it to your keyring then export it? That it's in your keyring doesn't suggest any trust relationship.
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08:32<dfceaef[m]>it just pollutes my/others/script runner's keyring
08:32<grawity>then use a temporary keyring
08:33<grawity>(...is that still possible with gpg2?)
08:36<dfceaef[m]>hmmmmm
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12:07<mister2542>como instalar una aplicacion?..
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12:10<petn-randall>!es
12:10<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
12:10<petn-randall>mister2542: ^^^
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12:47<srth_>i im installing mx linux and i can't get firefox to work
12:49<petn-randall>!mx linux
12:49<jhutchins>!mx
12:49<dpkg>hmm... mx is the Mail eXchanger resource record in DNS -- it tells an <MTA> where to deliver mail for a given domain. Merry Xmas, or Mexico. Si está buscando el canal de soporte para debian relativo a México, diríjase a #debian-mx
12:49<srth_>actually i d prefer to work with google chrome
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12:49<petn-randall>srth_: Try asking in their support channel, this one is for Debian.
12:49<annadane>i did check #debian-bots before trying that :-)
12:49<jhutchins>!based on debian
12:49<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
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12:52<jhutchins>Actually, it doesn't look like mx has anything to do with Debian, it's MEPIS/antiX.
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13:20<vrd1>Are there other pieces of "groupware" available for debian? Just tried citadel, was a bit disappointing for the needs here. Also i remember someone here advised against egroupware...
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13:23<jhutchins>vrd1: What functions are you looking for?
13:25<vrd1>jhutchins: for starters address book, (shared) calendar, wiki/knowledge database, and if possible instant messages.
13:25<vrd1>No need for entire mail server
13:25<vrd1>(Fortunately)
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13:35<tds>vrd1: there's SOGo, but I don't think that includes anything for a wiki or messaging
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13:36<vrd1>it doesn't
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13:53<xonar>Ahoj
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13:54<mnuhmnuh>Arr, me buckos, ...
13:55<xonar>Mi a stájsz csoki ájsz?
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13:55<mnuhmnuh>!en
13:55<dpkg>The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your language code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg pt ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de
13:56<xonar>Elfeledem én-e de mi kéne dágványozták.
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13:56<mnuhmnuh>whoosh.
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14:31<sigimac>anyone running debian on a newer Dell all in one desktop computer?
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14:35<somiaj>not a very directed question. Are you trying to run debian on such a machine and having an issue, or are you looking at if you will have any issues using such a machine?
14:36<sigimac>I'm actually thinking about buying a new one.
14:36<sigimac>and yes running 9.3 stretch
14:36<sigimac>I run stretch on this iMac but I think it's time for a new workstation
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14:39<sigimac>somiaj: http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-desktop-computers/inspiron-27-7000-all-in-one/spd/inspiron-27-7775-aio
14:39<sigimac>something like that
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14:41<sigimac>it uses the Qualcom DW1820 chip
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14:41<sigimac>doesn't look to be supported in debian
14:41<somiaj>is it supported in linux at all?
14:41<mnuhmnuh>sigimac: biggest prob. is bleeding edge new components. debian provides firmware blobs to enable them but the newer they are, the less well they're supported.
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14:42<sigimac>yeah, I figured that mnuhmnuh... but I think I'll still buy it
14:42<sigimac>:)
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14:43<mnuhmnuh>sigimac: aptitude search firmware
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15:38<Boia11>Hi! I have a little problem. I have MariaDB on Debian9. I try to connect with HeidiSQL over SSH (ssh work well) but it return error "access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' ". Any idea?
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15:39<blast007>is there a password defined for the root mysql user?
15:40<blast007>(specifically, did you set one?)
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15:41<Boia11>yes, I can use MariaDB monitor
15:42<annadane>are the mirrors basically checked at every time for the same mirror (with a bit of variance)? i heard someone say it's every 6 hours, 11 17 23 05
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15:43<annadane>yeah, that's right
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15:55<gerge>Hi, Is there a application based firewall I can use? For stopping closed-source programs like WPS Office to call home?
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15:57<annadane>ah never mind, i'll go ask on #debian-mirrors
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16:03<mnuhmnuh>not sure about this: If you've forgotten the <MySQL> root password, /etc/init.d/mysql stop; mysqld --skip-grant-tables; mysql -u root; use mysql; UPDATE user SET
16:03<mnuhmnuh> Password=PASSWORD('mynewpassword') WHERE User='root'; FLUSH PRIVILEGES; C-d; stop mysqld; /etc/init.d/mysql start
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16:04<mnuhmnuh>i'm going postgres lately.
16:05<annadane>where's that, on the wiki?
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16:06<mnuhmnuh>suspect it's a dpkg goodie. i saved it off.
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16:07<mnuhmnuh>http://paste.debian.net/1013500/
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16:33<capn_>annadane: https://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror#when
16:33<annadane>neat, thanks
16:33<capn_>np
16:34<annadane>though i've now gotten 3 different answers from 3 different people :D
16:35<capn_>haha, I was setting up a local apt-mirror and remembered reading that, not sure how accurate it is
16:35<annadane>a number of pages on debian's site are outdated
16:35<capn_>yes they are
16:36<annadane>someone in #mirrors said 1-7-1-7
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16:36<annadane>i wish there was an easy way to solve debian's documentation problems but it's not an easy solution
16:37<capn_>I do too. Wish the community were as dedicated to keeping it recent as arch's
16:38<capn_>I attempted to make an Installing Debain On for a laptop. The wiki format is pretty rough
16:38<annadane>arch/freebsd/gentoo
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16:40<annadane>though it says at the bottom of that page: Last Modified: Sat, Mar 3 11:26:04 UTC 2018
16:40<annadane>(though that doesn't guarantee the information is correct either)
16:41<annadane>it could just be "oh, cosmetic grammatical fix"
16:41<capn_>Right or that the times were what was modified
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16:45<capn_>Trying to locate the revision history of that page. I can check the ones for the wiki, just not the main pages I guess.
16:45<annadane>yeah, i was looking for the same
16:46<annadane>supposedly i can check my mirror behavior by checking the mirror's trace file but i don't know where it's located
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16:47<annadane>i'll shut up about this after this because it's off topic for a support channel but i just wonder in passing what anyone can do to spearhead an effort to bring the debian wiki or even main site pages up to arch's standard
16:47<annadane>if you want to discuss further we can go to #debian-offtopic
16:47<capn_>k be there in a sec
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18:36<ant384>Hello. Trying to install apparmor on debian 8. It wants to remove systemd. What gives ?
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18:41<annadane>!bat
18:41<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
18:41<annadane>ant384, ^
18:42<ant384>Thank you, annadane, will return with data
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18:48<ant384>annadane, http://paste.debian.net/1013516/ -- trying to install apparmor on debian 8.10, but it wants to remove systemd.
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18:50<annadane>i'm never very good at this sort of thing so really, i'll let other people answer, using aptitude may give a clearer answer though
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18:50<annadane>it has dependency resolution information
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18:53<Vaan>Hi everyone. I want to install debian stretch on my new laptop, instead of windows 10 which I want to replace completely for security and spying of private life. But, I am planning to
18:54<traumschule>what can I do when pm-suspend has no effect (instead of turning the laptop into standby mode)?
18:54<ant384>annadane, even so, you helped. Using aptitude I discovered systemd was blocking a certain version of apparmor, and now I install it from backports. So thanks. :)
18:56<Vaan>But I am planning to keep memory for windows if I really need it... On a Disk of 1To, do you think it is good if the memory space for the eventual future windows is at 200Go of the beginning of the disk ?
18:56<awal1>ant384, aptitude is more virbuose regarding unmet deps; past the output if you want
18:56<awal1>verbose
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18:57<Vaan>Is it a problem for the boot of windows ?
18:57<traumschule>pm-is-supported return nothing for either option (--suspend, --hibernate, --suspend-hybrid)
18:57<ant384>awal1, it's fixed, thanks
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18:59<awal1>Vaan, win8+ requieres 'secure boot' and debian haven't support for secure boot; so normal dualboot is not possible
19:00<Vaan>What ? you are the first person who tell me a simple dual boot is not possible ... Even if I install debian near a windows 10 ?
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19:01<traumschule>pm-suspend just exits with no effect. shouldn't there even be a message if it fails?
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19:02<awal1>but what you can probably do is install debian in uefi mode , leaving a free space for windows, ntfs format maybe. you will be able to have w10 and debian but you have to edit your uefi/bios settings before each debian/windows 10
19:02<awal1>ant384
19:03<awal1>well I experimented ^ with win8 years ago; not sure with w10 now
19:03<Vaan>I want obviously install debian in UEFI mode, and as you say, keep a free space for windows in the future if I need it...
19:04<annadane>https://wiki.debian.org/SecureBoot https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=820036
19:04<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/820036 in general (open): «Debian does not run on systems with Secure Boot enabled»; severity: important; opened: 2016-04-04; last modified: 2016-10-22.
19:04<annadane>i have no idea of the current status of secureboot
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19:05<awal1>Vaan, google your goal, or just use another gnu/linux system which have a signed kernel, such as fedora, ubuntu ...
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19:05<mnuhmnuh>Vaan: both redhat and ubuntu went through the hoops to create uefi sigs for linux, so should be not a prob. now.
19:07<awal1>Vaan, I have a machine at home, off since long months and it have debian sid + win10 and dual boot works fine. but secure boot is off there for windows and it was a win7 upgraded to w10. I no remember how I have done all that years ago.
19:08<Vaan>Me it is a native windows 10. A laptop of 2015 year. You both are the first person who tell me a debian stretch will not work
19:09<awal1>btw, they are a genuine win7/10 copies (in fact, I hacked them but microsoft thinks they are genuine :P)
19:09<Vaan>I desactive secure boot for my stretch, but if I re install after windows 10, it can not work without secureboot ?
19:10<awal1>Vaan, I think it can
19:10<Vaan>Where is the problem so ?
19:10<Vaan>I don't understand sorry :)
19:10<awal1>I said "I think" = just maybe, not sure
19:11<Vaan>ok I forgot this word :)
19:12<awal1>well, not sure you will get support, an eventual one, for windows stuff in all debian channels; you'll have to google yourself
19:12<awal1>even for dualboot
19:12<awal1>bcoz here is support for debian exclusively
19:12<awal1> :P
19:12<awal1>I just wanted to guide you a bit
19:13<Vaan>and even for the location of windows on the hard drive ?
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19:13<awal1>it is always recommended to install first windows; a gnu(linux system after
19:14<Vaan>I know that but in my situation, I prefer first have a clean Debian system :)
19:14<awal1>windows installer will probably (probably = almost sure vs possibly 50/50) destroy previous boot settings
19:15<Vaan>yes, apparently, boot repair exist but, that is not really simple too, I think
19:16<awal1>easy way for you: erase windows and run debian; you will get used and you will won't go back to windows
19:16<awal1>what do you really need in Windows?
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19:18<awal1>second choice: install ubuntu/fedora; they have a signed kernel, have support for secure boot; you dont need to remove win10, Vaan
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19:19<Vaan>Maybe a software like sunlight suite 2 which is a software which allows to control automatic projectors, and create a light show... I don't know if I will need it but... I was thinking about a virtual machine, this software recommend 1G of ram... and I have 4G, not a lot but sufficient i think
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19:19<awal1>not sure if you'll need win10 in the future? So just install debian (bios or uefi) and when you want windows that will be another situation
19:20<awal1>you can have windows in a vm yeah
19:20<awal1>do you have a windows install copy?
19:21<petn-randall>awal1: I'm 100% sure that Windows 8 does not require secure boot. Same for Windows 10.
19:21<petn-randall>source: I've got two machines with those OSes.
19:21<awal1>petn-randall, tht is why I said "I think"
19:21<Vaan>I didn't know if I need and have it. Apparently, the ISO is available on the microsoft website now, and my hard disk contain the licence apparently
19:21<petn-randall>IIRC it's required for ARM tablets, but I didn't follow the news.
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19:22<awal1>as I said I have played with dualboot like 4 years ago, my memory not clear now
19:23<petn-randall>Vaan: Only thing you need to take care of is that you install both OSes *either* with UEFI (recommended), *or* legacy BIOS.
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19:23<awal1>Vaan, for reinstall windows in the future you'll need a copy of it
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19:24<awal1>windows 10 available on microsoft wwebsite for free? nah, maybe just a major upgrade from from Y to X version
19:24<petn-randall>The ISO is "free". The license isn't.
19:24<petn-randall>Meaning it will nag you about a key and stop working after 90 days.
19:26<awal1>Vaan, ^
19:26<awal1>that yeah, petn
19:28<awal1>years ago i solved that with 'windows loader by daz'
19:28<awal1>I was student I needed windows for school...
19:29<Vaan>Ok. petn, do you know if in the future I re install windows 10 in multi boot, is the space memory kept for Windows will be a problem if this is at 200GB of the beginning of disk ? Problem of starting ? Maybe not a problem because the grub of windows will be install on the boot/efi partition of linux ?
19:29<awal1>curiously that hacking tool was hosted on an ubuntu website
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19:30<blast007>awal1: I don't think software piracy is on topic here
19:30<awal1>blast007, +1
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19:32<awal1>diner time, anyway :P
19:34<Vaan>enjoy your meal :)
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19:40<Vaan>I have to go. I certainly come back tomorow for the same question :)
19:41<mnuhmnuh>lotsa vino!
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21:18<noobston>Hi, I have installed KDE according to https://wiki.debian.org/KDE#Installation using aptitude install ~t^desktop$ ~t^kde-desktop$. But when I boot still Gnome is active. When I do update-alternatives --config x-window-manager I have the choise between mutter and kwin_x11 but changing to kwin_x11 is without noticable effect to me, still Gnome. Also I can't find kdm, I only have the choice between sddm and gdm3.
21:19<annadane>yeah, kdm is deprecated in favour of sddm
21:20<noobston>my problem is, I can't start kde
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21:25<noobston>maybe I should try to use sddm and boot that one... bbl
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21:25<annadane>,v kdm
21:25<judd>Package: kdm on amd64 -- wheezy: 4:4.8.4-6; jessie: 4:4.11.13-2
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21:34<Hack_init>Yae
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21:39<e729>hi
21:40<Hack_init>hi
21:41<annadane>hi. we're all here. questions can be asked. it's quiet because people idle. please don't immediately leave. i need friends
21:41<Hack_init>I am Portuguese
21:43<sdk>annadane: "i need friends" XD
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21:49<dpkg>Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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