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00:09<ryouma>checkrestart says i have to restart dhclient. is this possible without rebooting?
00:10<deb99>i should do a reboot if i was you.
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00:16<ryouma>deb99: hmm, hoping to avoid that, but if that's the only solution, i'll do it
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00:16<deb99>yep.
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00:20<ryouma>thanks
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00:25<sahar69>identify prettyboy
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00:25<gnumonk>Hi
00:26<deb99>hi
00:26<gnumonk>question regarding apt-get
00:26<gnumonk>apt-get stuck at 0% [Connecting to prod.debian.map.fastly.net (151.101.8.204)]
00:26<deb99>oh
00:26<gnumonk>I have disable the ipv6, sysctl for ipv6 but still the same problem.
00:27<deb99>and what do you want to apt-get ?
00:27<gnumonk>apt-get update
00:27<deb99>oh
00:27<gnumonk>ping to prod.debian.map.fastly.net is working
00:27<gnumonk>any idea ?
00:27<gnumonk>its debian 9
00:27<deb99>ok ,
00:28<deb99>do you get a GPG key error when you type : apt-get update ?
00:28<gnumonk>nope
00:30<deb99>weird ,
00:30<deb99>https://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt
00:31<sahar69>maybe it same with mine
00:31<sahar69>Err:10 http://deb.debian.org/debian stretch/updates/main amd64 Packages
00:31<sahar69> 404 Not Found [IP: 151.101.8.204 80]
00:32<deb99>pretty weird ,
00:32<sahar69>and this
00:32<sahar69>Release file for http://suro.ubaya.ac.id/debian/dists/stretch-updates/InRelease is expired
00:32<deb99>i don't run Debian at the moment but i never have that problem if i run Debian.
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00:33<gnumonk>yes , it is giving connection timeout error. though DNS resolv is proper.
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00:33<gnumonk>I am also facing the first time, no clue, though host resolve the entry proper.
00:33<deb99>gnumonk : maybe put another official Debian repository into your sources.list ?
00:34<gnumonk>I have only this. deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates main
00:35<deb99>maybe is that the problem , is that the ONLY repo you have in your sources.list ?
00:36<sahar69>i ever read about something like this, but i forget where i read it, it happened because of network
00:36<sahar69>like use of mobile broadband modem
00:36<deb99>https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList
00:37<gnumonk>Nope, I am on broadband, not on Mobile network.
00:37<deb99>see this : https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList#Example_sources.list
00:39<gnumonk>adding any source , first goes to "prod.debian.map.fastly.net" and it stuck after that
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00:42<deb99>https://www.debian.org/contact
00:43<deb99>maybe contact Debian gnumonk ?
00:43<deb99>dpkg : contact
00:43<dpkg>no idea, deb99
00:43<deb99>damm
00:43<deb99>dpkg : sources.list
00:43<dpkg>A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main" "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates main" "deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main". Be sure to run «apt update» after editing sources.list. Also see <deb-src> <contrib> <non-free> <stretch/updates> <stretch-updates> <mirrors> and "man sources.list".
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00:44<gnumonk>ok
00:44<deb99>the best way to edit the sources.list is with leafpad
00:44<deb99>do you have leafpad gnumonk ?
00:44<gnumonk>nope
00:44<deb99>do you have any text editor ?
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00:45<gnumonk>I have updated using vi
00:46<sahar69>what a geek
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00:47<pll>hello?
00:48<sahar69>hi
00:48<pll>thank you
00:48<deb99>well i have one solution for you gnumonk
00:48<deb99>but that is a pretty crazy one.
00:50<gnumonk>deb99: ?
00:51<deb99>it's pretty crazy gnumonk , never mind.
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00:51<deb99>i better don't tell that trick.
00:51<sahar69>well it make me crazy man.. i really curious
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00:53<deb99>sahar69 : as you know Kali Linux is based on Debian ,
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00:54<deb99>and gnumonk has problems with his Debian repository's ,
00:54<sahar69>deb99: yes, backtrack too
00:54<deb99>what he can do is this:
00:54<deb99>as root :
00:55<deb99>https://github.com/Wh1t3Rh1n0/deb2kali
00:55<deb99>but i don't recommend that.
00:55<deb99>just don't do it.
00:55<deb99>i do that sometimes if am am too lazy to install Kali into my laptop.
00:56<deb99>i even do that manually.
00:56<deb99>without that github script.
00:56<deb99>and it works.
00:56<gnumonk>its not issue with mirror, its with apt-get so it doesn't matter you use Kali mirror or Deb mirrot.
00:56<gnumonk>mirror*
00:56<deb99>but just don't do that.
00:57<deb99>do you use a VPN , gnumonk ?
00:57<deb99>i mean a payed VPN ?
00:57<gnumonk>no
00:57<deb99>or do you use TOR ?
00:57<gnumonk>I am able to ping mirror from shell successfully .
00:57<gnumonk>wget and curl works
00:58<deb99>the best thing to do is to contact the Debian developers gnumonk
00:58<gnumonk>ok
00:58<deb99>they made Debian :)
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04:34<sabir>is there any way to work with my real network adapter while I'm in virtualbox? any help?
04:36<somiaj>sabir: any reason why you need to do that? there is sometimes ways to pass through real hardware to a vm.
04:36<jm_>maybe using https://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch09.html#pcipassthrough
04:36<somiaj>ahh I was just trying to look something up.
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04:38<sabir>well, I want to use a tool it requires the real working adapter.
04:38<jm_>which tool is that?
04:38<somiaj>this is usually called passthrough, and you'll have to look up what sort of hardware passhtrough virtualbox allows.
04:39<sabir>alright, I get it, Thanks guys for your response...
04:40<somiaj>looks like briding mayalso be sufficent, and vbox has some option you can set to bridge the network controler
04:40<somiaj>maybe bridging will give you the access you need for this 'tool'
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04:42<sabir>somiaj: you are right in the way but it will cause the lose connection problem... there is another way I found on virtualbox site.
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05:31<sa_>hello
05:32<sa_>plz an frnds are omline plz help me
05:32<sa_>help
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05:34<Amnesia>question, are there more people that're bumping into the following error @ unstable: "gnutls_handshake() failed: An unexpected TLS packet was received"
05:34<Amnesia>It happens if I try to clone stuff from github.com, golang.org, .., using git
05:34<jm_>Amnesia: as the topic says, try asking in #debian-next and a check in BTS shall find it I suppose
05:35<Amnesia>BTS?
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05:35<Amnesia>oh, bug tracking system
05:35<jm_>indeed
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05:36<jm_>(one problem with that error is that it often occured in the past)
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05:36<Amnesia>lemmee see
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05:37<Amnesia>do you happen to know what the cause(s) was/were as well>
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05:40<jm_>naah, but you will find more people using unstable in #debian-next so I recommend to ask there (alternatively, also test with gnutls-cli I guess)
05:41<Amnesia>hmkay, tyvm
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06:44<Amnesia>question, what do you guys suggest if I'd want to run debian, but on a rolling release base?
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07:29<petn-randall>Amnesia: Then Debian is not the right distro for your requirements.
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07:32<petn-randall>Amnesia: There are plenty of distros though that have a rolling release, with all the problems that come with it.
07:32<petn-randall>!moving target
07:32<dpkg>Sure, testing might be shinier than stable, but are you prepared to be continually updating your system? Things that worked today will break tomorrow. Configuration file formats will change and you'll have to fold your changes in yet again. Testing is a moving target and if you'd rather work *with* your computer than working *on* your computer, you might not want that. See <testing security>.
07:33<Amnesia>well, I've been running unstable for years on my desktop, and it's actually not that bad
07:33<jm_>so you already had rolling release sort of :)
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07:33<Amnesia>I just dunno if that's the most desired solution:P
07:33<Amnesia>yep
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07:36<petn-randall>Well, it really depends how time-critical your work is. But it sometimes happens that you spend half a day getting your system back into shape, and that might not be everyone's cup of tea.
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08:40<schweinchen4>hi if someone made a keylogger or other spyware in my debian and then he gets the spyware results per email or at least sended over the internet , can i notice it with just netstat ? i would then see if connections go out, or do i need wireshark to be really sure ? or is netstat or ss command enough to notice it
08:41<petn-randall>schweinchen4: If they did it properly, you wouldn't see anything with the tools you have installed. So it's a quite hypothetical question. Do you have a concrete problem you're trying to solve?
08:43<schweinchen4>petn-randall: why wouldnt i see anything ? if they want the results of the spyware then it must go over the internet and then the connections should displayed when the time is come that the results get sended out to their computers or do i understand it wrong way
08:43<schweinchen4>this cant be hide ?
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08:44<themill>you'd also replace netstat with something that didn't report the connection
08:44<petn-randall>schweinchen4: And you're trying to do that with what? The program installed on your computer? If they have privileged access to your computer to install a keylogger, they can also manipulate any binaries, including the kernel, to hide those connections.
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08:45<petn-randall>And also hide the process in the process table, etc.
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08:47<schweinchen4>and if i would watch the outgoging connections directly on my router ?
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08:52<petn-randall>schweinchen4: They could be disguised as DNS traffic, or via steganography.
08:52<petn-randall>schweinchen4: Again, what problem are you trying to solve?
08:52<grawity>or they could be disguised as ordinary HTTPS connections to cloudflare or amazon
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08:55<schweinchen4>the problem is that my young brother downloaded a application from a very untrusted source and he installed it on my system and now of course i have worries that my system is compromised
08:55<schweinchen4>i have debian stretch
08:57<petn-randall>schweinchen4: What application was that?
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08:59<schweinchen4>if it was from a untrusted source like i said how can be this important ?
09:00<b17>when you are worried about a compromise, what proof would be enough? Just reinstall and make sure. http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Security-Quickstart-HOWTO/intrusion.html
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09:08<petn-randall>schweinchen4: Well, it might help evaluate the supposed risk.
09:09<schweinchen4>if it was from a untrusted source then the application could be anything, i do not understanad why it is then still important what a application it was or supposed to be
09:09*petn-randall shrugs.
09:10<petn-randall>schweinchen4: Then download and burn the Debian installer from a trusted computer and do a clean reinstall.
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09:10<schweinchen4>you mean debootstrap ??
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09:11<petn-randall>schweinchen4: No, I mean what I said.
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09:11<schweinchen4>this is debian installer ?? ...
09:11<petn-randall>schweinchen4: How did you install Debian before?
09:11<schweinchen4>debootstrap .... the debian installer !
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09:12<petn-randall>schweinchen4: Have you been on https://www.debian.org yet? The Debian installer is on the main page.
09:12<BanHammor>the netinstall image, or the livecd, or the installer dvd, or...
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09:17<schweinchen4>can i install the netinstall image also without internet connection ? or im forced in the installer to connect to internet that im able to install the system like its the bad case in fedora minimal install ?
09:18<schweinchen4>fedora netinst*
09:20<BanHammor>you can use a more complete image to install without the internet
09:20<schweinchen4>but i want a minimal install
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09:25<petn-randall>schweinchen4: You can do a minimal install with the network installer, but to install *more* things you need the internet, or the DVD images.
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09:26<schweinchen4>petn-randall: so im not forced to connect to the internet to installing debian with netinst if i understand you right ?
09:27<petn-randall>That's what I just said, or not?
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09:27<schweinchen4>sorry but im not a native english speaker and i have sometimes problem to understand
09:27<user>lhyan
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09:27<petn-randall>schweinchen4: Ok, sorry about that.
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09:28<petn-randall>Guest525: Do you have a Debian support question?
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09:30<b17>schweinchen4: It's ok to use the full cd/dvd and select only "standard utilities at the end. Good starter setup.
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10:18<Eljotto>Hi
10:18<Eljotto>It seems that debian/plasma updates apt during boot. Any way to deactivate that?
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10:20<themill>That's probably plasma-discover and you can just uninstall it and packagekit
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10:21<Eljotto>ok thanks
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11:01<schweinchen4>now im in the installer at the moment and it asks me if i want to choose a repository what i have to do
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11:06<schweinchen4>now it works im done the installation is complete it says
11:06<schweinchen4>the standard utilties were included in the net inst image
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11:07<somiaj>not all of standard utilities are on the netinstall image, but most are, some refer to it as a base install, though you can get a bit smaller with a minbase install.
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11:07<schweinchen4>but i umarked it unitentionally but i hope all will work
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11:07<somiaj>did you have network during the isntall, you can rerun 'tasksel' or tasksel install standard or just use aptitude
11:08<somiaj>!standard
11:08<dpkg>hmm... standard task is a "task" that should be installed on all machines during the installer stage. It installs packages that are important, required and standard (i.e. "aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant"). Packages in the <essential> set are always installed. Also ask me about <tasksel>.
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11:10<schweinchen4>is tasksel important ? i did not have network while installing i did not connect to the internet while having no firewall on
11:11<schweinchen4>the installation is already done and im on a tty now it seems it workedddddddddddddddddd
11:11<schweinchen4>sorry my button
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11:13<schweinchen4>also i guess busybox is not important anymore but if i try to uninstall it with apt it would uninstall also essential packages
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11:14<schweinchen4>is this a dependecy bug ?
11:15<schweinchen4>dependency*
11:15<schweinchen4>if i try to uninstall it it would also uninstall the kernel
11:15<schweinchen4>so it seems so
11:15<bremner>I don't see that here
11:16<schweinchen4>im on debian stretch 9.4
11:16<bremner>me too.
11:17<blast007>initramfs-tools depends on initramfs-tools-core which recommends busybox or busybox-static
11:17<somiaj>schweinchen4: tasksel is not important, but it provides a way to install large groups of packages, which is the last thing the installer runs
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11:18<somiaj>schweinchen4: there was a change in debian policy (though might not have affected stretch) where important/required/essential packages are allowed to depend on 'optional' packages
11:18<somiaj>though I think this isn't that case
11:19<blast007>schweinchen4: for me, removing busybox would only remove busybox
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11:25<schweinchen4>maybe a misbehaivor ? i will just let it on the system
11:25<schweinchen4>until the problem is solved
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11:25<somiaj>!bat
11:25<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
11:25<somiaj>schweinchen4: if you actually are having an issue with apt, please provide ALL of the above output.
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11:27<schweinchen4>the same problem is here if i try to uninstall it with dpkg
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11:29<somiaj>again give some actual output, the command you run and what it wants to do.
11:30<somiaj>I can remove busybox here with no issue, the fact that it wants to remove some kernel might not have much to do with busybox.
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11:32<palka56>hi
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11:34<schweinchen4>the problem is that if i want to remove busybox it will also remove packages linux-image-4.9.0-6-amd64 and linux-image-amd64 and i get the typical message Do not remove if you are not sure what you do and i have to type "Yes do what I say" what is related to removing kernel so it seems it is a dependency bug ? i cant copy paste to website from this laptop because i have not internet access
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11:37<palka56>it is interesting
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11:39<bremner>schweinchen4: I think if you can't provide us with a transcript, you should just live with busybox being installed (it's a tiny package)
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11:44<KompjuterBenutzer>Hi why Debian asks me since Stretch Version in the end of the Installation if i want to install Spyware '"""poplarity-contest" something ?
11:44<annadane>!popcon
11:44<dpkg>i heard popcon is the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at http://popcon.debian.org/ -- See the FAQ at http://popcon.debian.org/FAQ . Statistics are also available via IRC, /msg judd popcon $package
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11:44<annadane>it is not "spyware".
11:44<annadane>you can not install it.
11:44<KompjuterBenutzer>per Definition it is
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11:45<bremner>so you are here asking us to spend time talking to you so you can avoid saying "no"?
11:45<KompjuterBenutzer>Not understand what you mean
11:46<bremner>what do you want from us?
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11:48<KompjuterBenutzer>Explanation why Debian since Stretch asking in offical Way about installing Spyware and the default Answer is on "No" but it does not make it better it does give me not good Feeling if Debian does change his System in this Way and i am sure that i not the only one who scare about how Debian does change
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11:49<b17>It's explained here http://popcon.debian.org/
11:49<KompjuterBenutzer>No this is not a Explanation why Debian does change the System to provide Spyware
11:50<bremner>KompjuterBenutzer: it's not a recent change. it's been that way for at least a decade
11:50<b17>It's used to allow you to help make decisions, not to spy
11:51<bremner>just say no if you don't want to help in this way.
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11:55<annadane>i probably should enable popcon the next time i do an install *shrug*
11:55<bremner>if you really feel strongly about this, you can write to debian-project@lists.debian.org to discuss. Try to get your facts straight first, to avoid unneeded flamewars
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11:55<annadane>though i basically don't go out of my way to install things beyond what's probably standard on most systems
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12:06<KompjuterBenutzer>Another Thing what does make me not good Feeling and also not nice Thing is that Debian for Example "5.0.0" Version the Netinstallation-Image does have a Size of 131MB and the Size of the Netinstallation-Image of Version 9.0.0, for Example, have 290MB If my Mathematic Knowledge is right then it is more than the double Size
12:09<KompjuterBenutzer>I used a Calculator and in Fact it is even a little more than the double Size
12:09<b17>let me get my slide rule... yeah that is pretty fancy math
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12:17<tda>what's the difference between the aws amis and just installing debian from iso on ec2?
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12:23<KompjuterBenutzer>It seems that Debian does make his "Base-System", his "Essential-System" bigger and bigger, and whatever the Reasons are for this, it is not nice i will uninstall all Packages that were not included in 5.0.0 from 9.0.0 with manually removing them Debian and i can only recommend all other Users to do the same This Misbehaivor of Change can not be tolerated DEBIAN especially "Jessie Stretch Wheezy" what you are doing is not fine I want to
12:23<KompjuterBenutzer>make sure that you know that i will choose the Way against you
12:24<tda>dare i ask, what packages did you remove and why?
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12:30<Edhil>hmm Debian 5 was lenny ... released in 2009
12:30<b17>I started on squeeze, and really can't tell much bloat in the base system?
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12:31<Edhil>so that's an increase of 20M / year
12:31<b17>actually stuff is gone now, like w3m, mc, aptitude, etc
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12:31<KompjuterBenutzer>b17: So you should care about it where the 100MB comes from
12:31<zathras>I have an app running in virtualenv/gunicorn. It requires some cronjobs but they fail under Debian. Anyone any idea why? http://paste.debian.net/1014531/
12:31<Edhil>that will be systemd :-D
12:31<KompjuterBenutzer>Edhil: Oh my God this is much more i thought!
12:32<KompjuterBenutzer>Edhil: This is a Veiling Answer and is not true
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12:34<Edhil>KompjuterBenutzer: well, why don't you make a list ?
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12:34<Edhil>and propose some packages to be removed in next version ?
12:34<b17>Hey if you can make them put mc back I give a silver dollar
12:36<schweinchen4>is this website official http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/How_to_remove_systemd_from_a_Debian_Stretch_installation ? is this supported to remove systemd from stretch and install sysvinit ?
12:37<KompjuterBenutzer>No but it should be
12:37<KompjuterBenutzer>Actually, there should be a official Instruction to remove evil Systemd from Debian Stretch Maybe i will make a new wiki Page
12:37<petn-randall>schweinchen4: We don't recommend it, but there's nothing technically stopping you from going back to sysv init.
12:38<b17>schweinchen4: it's probably better to try to use SysV alongside the systemd pkgs.
12:38<petn-randall>schweinchen4: Of course you get to keep all those limitations that sysv init has for yourself.
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12:39<b17>I still have sysvinit setup on a jessie system but systemd just works better.
12:40<b17>havent tried it on stretch
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12:40<Edhil>KompjuterBenutzer: maybe you should consider http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/
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12:46<KompjuterBenutzer>schweinchen4: Did you actually know that 2016 there was a Bug in Systemd who did allow unprivileged Users to make a DoS Attack to Systemd and to all his Processes
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12:47<schweinchen4>oh should i move to sysvinit so ?
12:47<annadane>no
12:47<KompjuterBenutzer>YES but not ONLY for this reason
12:47<annadane>stop taking bad advice from idiots
12:47<KompjuterBenutzer>There are many reasons
12:47<annadane>KompjuterBenutzer, stop wasting everybody's time
12:47<KompjuterBenutzer>Annadane Please stop being rude
12:48<KompjuterBenutzer>Im not a "Idiot" and did not you say that we should not insult People here?
12:48<b17>The way I remember it, that bug did not affect debian's default implementation of systemd?
12:48<KompjuterBenutzer>And now you do it
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12:49<jhutchins_wk>A little bit of knowledge is a very dangerous thing.
12:49<b17>I kind of agree that another systemd sucks discussion is pretty lame, but oh well...
12:50<KompjuterBenutzer>No Discussion
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12:51<KompjuterBenutzer>This is not a Discussion there is nothing to discuss
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12:51<finn>is there a list of packages that are available in a "stock" debian desktop installation? I'm writing some documentation and trying to figure out if I need to direct users to install make or if it's pre-installed
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12:52<finn>also curious about the same thing for Ubuntu if anyone here knows
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12:52<jhutchins_wk>finn: I don't think the build tools are installed by default.
12:52<finn>alright, thanks
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12:53<cacatoes>finn: do you mean, packages already installed with default installation method, or all available packages within Debian?
12:53<finn>the former
12:53<jhutchins_wk>There is a "build-essentials" metapackage that installs pretty much everything you need for building software.
12:53<finn>yes, im aware of it
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12:54<finn>usually one of the first things I end up installing
12:54<cacatoes>https://packages.debian.org/stable/allpackages?format=txt.gz
12:54<finn>that looks like the answer to the later, based off the URL
12:54<annadane>build-essentials doesn't seem to be a package?
12:55<finn>might be build-essential
12:55<KompjuterBenutzer>Its not a normal package
12:55<annadane>yeah, build-essential
12:55<annadane>why didn't i think of that :P
12:55<annadane>use your brain, folks
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12:56<KompjuterBenutzer>https://packages.debian.org/stable/build-essential
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12:58<jhutchins_wk>KompjuterBenutzer: We know.
12:58<KompjuterBenutzer>obviously not
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13:03<b17>KompjuterBenutzer: i think 221% is tha approximate answer.
13:03<KompjuterBenutzer>Sorry i do not understand you
13:04<b17>stretch netinstall @ 291MB vs lenny @ 131MB
13:04<KompjuterBenutzer>It is enough to say """Little more than the double Size"
13:05<b17>21% isn't little? little is like 5%
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13:05<KompjuterBenutzer>would "Little more than little more than the double Size" better ??
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13:08<b17>KompjuterBenutzer: were the install iso the same type? Maybe it's the hybrid thing that added some size...
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13:10<KompjuterBenutzer>Yes the same Typ I already installed both 5.0.0 and 9.0.0 9.0.0 does not look good beside 5.0.0 in many Ways
13:10<olasd>while I think the arithmetics check out, I don't think this is a support issue, nor relevant use of this channel's time
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13:11<b17>i might like to try lenny on an old p4 can you give me a link?
13:11<KompjuterBenutzer>b17: And also the Installed Size is more than a double Size
13:11<KompjuterBenutzer>Its even more than a little more like you said
13:11<b17>yeh sorry we are gettign offtopic..
13:11<Edhil>KompjuterBenutzer: you should check all versions between 5 and 9, that would help to find where added space come from
13:11<KompjuterBenutzer>No we are not
13:11<KompjuterBenutzer>This is important
13:12<Edhil>well, that may be a discussion for debian 10, but for debian 9 it's too late
13:12<KompjuterBenutzer>Its never too late for so important Things
13:12<KompjuterBenutzer>b17: https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/
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13:13<olasd>KompjuterBenutzer: please stop
13:13<KompjuterBenutzer>olasd: Please do stop I think that you are one of the Persons who accept and tolerate the Change of Debian but this is your Opinion and not the main Opinion
13:13<KompjuterBenutzer>And it should not be
13:14-!-mode/#debian [+o olasd] by ChanServ
13:14<Edhil>KompjuterBenutzer: could you please refrain from using UpperCase on every single noun ?
13:14<KompjuterBenutzer>In fact
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13:14<@olasd>as I was saying, please stop
13:14<schweinchen4>olasd: you are not fair
13:15<schweinchen4>how can i actually reboot in a chroot debian system ?
13:16<dondelelcaro>schweinchen4: usually you can't, unless you've bind mounted the right directories to talk to systemd.
13:16<schweinchen4>for example if a new kernel is there i install it then i need a reboot
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13:16<schweinchen4>oh
13:17<dondelelcaro>schweinchen4: you'd only need a new kernel for the system that the chroot is running on
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13:17<schweinchen4>but the chroot kernel is still outdated
13:17<dondelelcaro>schweinchen4: chroots don't need kernels?
13:17<schweinchen4>or other thing, if i want to enable selinux on chroot, i have to reboot
13:17<dondelelcaro>schweinchen4: are you talking about a virtual machine, and not a chroot?
13:17<schweinchen4>im talking about chroot
13:18<dondelelcaro>then selinux is a function of the whatever the chroot is running under.
13:18<schweinchen4>i want selinux in my chrooted system, not on the host system
13:18<dondelelcaro>that's not how it works
13:19<schweinchen4>please ?
13:19<dondelelcaro>if you want such a setup, then you want a virtual machine
13:19<schweinchen4>no i do not
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13:19<dondelelcaro>well, then it's not possible. selinux requires kernel features, and a chroot doesn't run a separate kernel
13:19<schweinchen4>why ?
13:20<schweinchen4>but it does, my host system have kernel 4.9.0-4 and chroot 0-6
13:20<dondelelcaro>schweinchen4: because that's what a chroot is? It's the same kernel, but just a different root directory
13:20<cacatoes>schweinchen4: what is the use you have of your chroot environment?
13:20<schweinchen4>sorry in other way
13:20<dondelelcaro>schweinchen4: you can install any kernel you want in the chroot; it's still not in use
13:21<schweinchen4>cacatoes: i want seperation from my host system
13:21<schweinchen4>dondelelcaro: but why then i see instructions too install kernel in chroot ?
13:22<dondelelcaro>schweinchen4: who knows?
13:22<schweinchen4>it does not make sense if someone does instructions to install kernel in a chroot or even grub if its not possible
13:22<dondelelcaro>schweinchen4: there are lots of wrong instructions out there. Alternatively, someone could be installing into a chroot to then boot out of that chroot instead
13:22<cacatoes>schweinchen4: depending on the degree of separation you want, chroot may not be the solution
13:22<schweinchen4>https://wiki.debianforum.de/Debootstrap "additionally we need a kernel"
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13:23<dondelelcaro>schweinchen4: yeah, that's likely talking about using debootstrap to install Debian, and run directly out of it
13:24<dondelelcaro>schweinchen4: for example, if you had a system which was running redhat, but you'd like to actually run Debian, you can use those instructions to turn your system into one running Debian.
13:24<cacatoes>schweinchen4: maybe what you want is containers (LXC, docker...), but even them don't use their own kernel but the host one
13:25<dondelelcaro>schweinchen4: but anyway, if you want real separation, what you want is a virtual machine or docker or something similar.
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13:42<KompjuterBenutzer>AAABBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBCCC
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13:42<KompjuterBenutzer>oh sorry i thought that im still not able to write
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13:45<KompjuterBenutzer>b17: if you want lenny this archive provides older versions and here is lenny https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/5.0.0/ or you want a lenny live cd https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/5.0.0-live/
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13:46<KompjuterBenutzer>unfortunataley not for all older versions images are avaiable
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13:48<schweinchen4>dondelelcaro: cacatoes thank you guys im probably choose the virtual machine thing
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14:02<KompjuterBenutzer>Why Debian Installer "Text-Mode" Version is with a white Background and not a "normal" Text-Mode install with a Black Blackground looks like tty Im new User of Debian (the new Debian)
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14:05<cacatoes>KompjuterBenutzer: becauses it uses newt?
14:06<KompjuterBenutzer>newt? no i mean the Text Installer Frontend
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14:07<KompjuterBenutzer>that i get if i add the Boot Parameter "DEBIAN_FRONTEND=text"
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14:09<cacatoes>if you mean these windows: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-handbook/sect.installation-steps.en.html / then https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newt_(programming_library)
14:10<KompjuterBenutzer>no i do not mean the ncruses Frontend
14:10<KompjuterBenutzer>Like i said i mean the Text Mode Installer
14:10<cacatoes>then i don't know ;) /afk
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14:11<KompjuterBenutzer>cacatoes: But thank you nevertheless!
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14:14<b17>KompjuterBenutzer: try theme-dark? https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s02.html
14:14<b17>debian has a lot of options for sight impaired people so I'm sure it adjustable
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14:15<KompjuterBenutzer>Hm it still looks so special and not like a normal tty and also the Font Size is bigger than normal It seems Debian try to do always something Special but this is maybe not necessary or at all not good
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14:19<KompjuterBenutzer>Why it does just not look like a normal tty like the Installer in OPENBSD I do not say that Debian try to compensate something with this Behaivor but i would appreciate it if Debian would not do so many "Special Changes" to look more special than other Distros
14:22<KompjuterBenutzer>Also dpkg-reconfigure does use ncurses many times to configure Applications Why i does just not stay on the normal tty Instead of that it uses the insecure ncurses Interface
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14:23<retrospectacus>The best thing about the ugly installer is: you only have to run it once
14:24<somiaj>It might just be what you are use to/expect, the colors of the debian installer have been that way for a while now.
14:25<b17>white on black is also my preference, I have fuzzy astigmatism but I never found the installer hard to read.
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14:27<somiaj>yea the white on blue I never liked, but somethings have stuck with it.
14:28<KompjuterBenutzer>I think b17 is talking about the black on white in the Text Mode Installer ?
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14:30<b17>KompjuterBenutzer: no not just the installer, black on white in everything is fuzzier than white (or grey) on black, for some people.
14:30<KompjuterBenutzer>The tty looks perfect for me
14:30<KompjuterBenutzer>In this Way the Text Mode Installer should also look
14:30<KompjuterBenutzer>Where can i send Recommendations to the Debian Installer Team?
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14:31<KompjuterBenutzer>Its not only the color, the Debian Installer Text Mode look very different and away from a normal tty
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14:32<KompjuterBenutzer>I think the most People that uses the Text Mode Installer would prefer tty-Look and not this special Look
14:32<KompjuterBenutzer>Like the OPENBSD Installer
14:33<somiaj>you cna file a wish list bug, and unsure if much will come of it, the installer has used that color format for a while now and for the most part people are okay with it.
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14:39<annadane>also: stop insulting debian
14:39<annadane>you're free not to use it
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14:40<KompjuterBenutzer>annadane: Not insulting Debian please
14:40<KompjuterBenutzer>annadane: To whoever annadane spoke Please stop
14:40<KompjuterBenutzer>oh sorry I would not mark you in my second message
14:40<KompjuterBenutzer>I did not want*
14:42<KompjuterBenutzer>in also not in the first one Sorry i have a new Keyboard
14:43<KompjuterBenutzer>and also*
14:44<b17>KompjuterBenutzer: A lot of questions about "why this, or why that" are answered by, "Because nobody thought of it yet" so if you want to help. File an installation report and make suggestions.
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14:46<KompjuterBenutzer>Maybe i will do thank you b17, and annadane: I am a fan of Debian!! Please you understand me in a wrong way, i only want Help in using Debian i hope im then right here Debian is great and im also a contributer of Debian i provide a ftp Server of the /debian-security archive
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14:54<KompjuterBenutzer>in Debian Installation i see Logs like "anna: DEBUG retrieving :packages:" ":packages" there i see many packages Who is anna ??
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14:55*annadane has no clue
14:57<piper>:)
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14:58<somiaj>almost sounds like a hostname
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14:59<piper>Package: anna (1.44+deb7u1)
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15:00<piper>anna's not nearly apt, but for the Debian installer, it will do
15:00<annadane>not in sid, apparently
15:00<piper>https://packages.debian.org/sid/anna
15:00<annadane>oh, it doesn't show up via apt search
15:01<amnoid>speaking of systemd sucks... lets go back to 2.6 kernel thanks
15:01<piper>just heed the warning Warning: This package is intended for the use in building debian-installer images only. Do not install it on a normal Debian system.
15:02<annadane>huh. this pointless discussion has now made me puzzled as to why i'm not getting a package in sid that should be there
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15:04<KompjuterBenutzer>has the Name Package anna something to do with the annadane in this Chat Channel ??
15:05<annadane>not at all
15:05<KompjuterBenutzer>how the Package got his Name then
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15:06<blast007>someone typed those letters, in that order, when naming it
15:06<amnoid>bet on that
15:07<blast007>KompjuterBenutzer: anna = "anna's not nearly apt", it's a recursive acronym
15:07<piper>:)
15:09<cacatoes>palindrom, moreover
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15:09<annadane>apparently none of the packages in the debian-installer section show up via apt search so apparently that's by design
15:09<annadane>anyway, off topic
15:09<cacatoes>means anna's nearly not apt
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15:10<KompjuterBenutzer>annadane: i get apt show anna
15:10<annadane>i don't; says not found
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15:12<annadane>might be a weird mirror issue or something
15:12<annadane>or sid being sid
15:12<b17>if you changed your name to annadanna you would be recursive palindrom too
15:13<KompjuterBenutzer>im using the mirror deb debian org
15:14<blast007>KompjuterBenutzer: are you running 'apt show anna' from a running installer, or from an installed system?
15:15<KompjuterBenutzer>Im on a fresh installed System in tty
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15:19<piper>KompjuterBenutzer: that should't be showing, let me see the output of anna-install cryptsetup-udeb
15:19<annadane>oh, it shouldn't? okay.
15:19<annadane>so my system isn't magically broken :P
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15:20<KompjuterBenutzer>my system is also not broken i installed it fresh and did nothing unusual since install
15:20<piper>KompjuterBenutzer: just please let me see the output
15:20<KompjuterBenutzer>i can not copy paste
15:21<KompjuterBenutzer>its on other computer
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15:21<piper>use your phone, take picture upload
15:21<KompjuterBenutzer>Sorry no way to do this but i can type the words here from the display manually
15:22<piper>annadane: apt show anna N: Unable to locate package anna N: Unable to locate package anna E: No packages found
15:22<KompjuterBenutzer>and on the current system i do also not see apt show anna ) by the way
15:23<piper>and anyone in channel have it show any different, i would like to know
15:23<KompjuterBenutzer>this i get also here but on the other computer i get usual output like you do apt show xterm
15:23<annadane>i was really confused because while sid can break being unable to find packages in the mirror really shouldn't be a sid issue
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15:24<blast007>KompjuterBenutzer: does 'apt show anna' show "No packages found" for you?
15:24<KompjuterBenutzer>maybe because the system is fresh installed it works on it
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15:25<KompjuterBenutzer>blast007: i get usual apt show informations about anna in this case what the program is designed to do version info priority and like this all normal
15:25<KompjuterBenutzer>and the description of course
15:25<KompjuterBenutzer>the same as here https://packages.debian.org/sid/anna
15:25<KompjuterBenutzer>or /stable/anna
15:26<KompjuterBenutzer>maybe i will reboot here and update system
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15:26<piper>KompjuterBenutzer: better yet apt search anna
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15:27<annadane>this is silly
15:27<KompjuterBenutzer>piper usual output including anna package
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15:36<bittin->Firefox 59 is now out
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15:46<piper>firefox 61.0a1 (2018-03-13) (64-bit) :)
15:46<annadane>nightly?
15:47<piper>yes
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15:47<piper>thunderbird is the same
15:48<piper>well 2018-03-12
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15:50<annadane>if i recall firefox 58 was essentially a minor release
15:50<annadane>but i never did go through the changelogs
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15:59<b17>I've been using ublock-origin and google keeps changing the tags on the apprearance elements I block?
16:02<b17>I have a real short 1024x600 screen and this new thing of puttng a inch of menu at the top of every webpage is annoying.
16:03<blast007>b17: have you seen this? https://github.com/yourduskquibbles/webannoyances
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16:05<b17>ahh, sticky header.. ok thanks i'll check that out
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16:05<annadane>why google? you mean on google's website?
16:05<annadane>oh, i guess so
16:05<b17>well the news page put a search bar up that won;t work without javascript so i remove it
16:06<b17>and they have login buttons everywhere like chrome browser
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16:19<amnoid>firefox (Mozilla Foundation) is being misdirected by government. It was cool up to 45. RIP Ian Murdoch killed by FBI btw.
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17:22<deb99>dpkg : websploit
17:22<dpkg>deb99: i haven't a clue
17:23<deb99>dpkg : how to install debian in virtualbox
17:23<dpkg>deb99: I don't know, could you explain it?
17:23<deb99>euh no
17:23<annadane>feel free to /msg the bot
17:23<deb99>dpkg : do you know how to dual boot debian and windows
17:23*dpkg wonders why it should do you know how to dual boot debian and windows
17:24<annadane>deb99, just ask your question and a human will get around to it.........
17:24<deb99>oh ok , sorry dpkg
17:24<deb99>ok annadane
17:24<deb99>somebody here who knows how to install debian and windows and kali into 1 laptop ?
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17:25<towo`>deb99, if you have to ask such questions, you don't need kali
17:25<annadane>i don't really know but i think the conventional wisdom is you install windows first due to their tendency to screw up other partitions
17:25<tda>download both from the windows store
17:25<annadane>hah
17:25<deb99>i only have kali at the moment
17:25<annadane>yeah probably
17:25<deb99>i transformed debian into kali.
17:25<annadane>uhh.
17:25<deb99>pretty easy.
17:26*annadane bails
17:26<towo`>then buy windos, install it
17:26<blast007>so you have a broken kali install, okay...
17:26<towo`>where is the problem?
17:26<deb99>no , blast007
17:26<deb99>everything works the same as a official Kali .iso
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17:27<deb99>but i want windows 10 , windows 8 , debian , and kali into 1 laptop
17:27<towo`>absolute wrong topic for that channel
17:28<annadane>also, i echo what was said, just stay away from kali
17:28<deb99>ok then i buy for every operating system an new laptop.
17:28<annadane>don't bother with it at all unless you're experienced or using it for very niche purposes you can't already achieve with debian
17:28<blast007>deb99: so buy Windows 10, Windows 8, and partition your drive
17:28<deb99>best and most easy solution i think.
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17:29<deb99>oh , thanks blast007
17:29<deb99>mostly i only run kali as main OS.
17:29<blast007>kali isn't designed for every-day use
17:30<deb99>but my laptop is pretty weird at the moment and this laptop only want's Debian cd or usb.
17:30<deb99>no.
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17:30<deb99>everybody can use Kali as main OS.
17:30<deb99>i use Kali for 4 years as main OS.
17:30<deb99>well , most of the time.
17:30<deb99>sometimes Debian.
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17:33<deb99>but with the last Kali install into my laptop i was too lazy to download a official Kali .iso , so i removed all the Debian repo's from my Debian sources.list and i put the Kali Rolling repo's into my sources.list with a valid GPG key for the Kali Rolling repo's.
17:34<deb99>everything works the same as a .iso haha
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17:34<annadane>.........................
17:35*annadane bails, again
17:35<annadane>(don't do that and stop using kali as your main os if that's your normal practice in how you do things)
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17:38<deb99>i always put Kali as my main OS , and put virtualbox into my Kali , and Debian into my virtualbox
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17:38<b17>deb99: how often do you reinstall doing things that way?
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17:39<deb99>every 2 weeks a other Linux distro b17
17:39<KompjuterBenutzer>Kali Linux as main OS ??
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17:39<deb99>next week i install Parrot or Blackarch i think as main OS with a dual boot with Debian 9.
17:40<b17>jeez i dont even reboot every two weeks
17:40<deb99>i am lit bit crazy with Linux i know :)
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17:41<b17>deb99: so what's the problem with debian?
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17:45<deb99>the problem with Debian is that i am only can install Debian.
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17:45<deb99>since 1 month in this weird laptop.
17:45<deb99>it's a pretty old laptop i have b17
17:46<KompjuterBenutzer>What do you mean with you can only install Debian?
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17:48<deb99>KompjuterBenutzer : since 1 month i have the problem that this weird laptop only want's Debian cd or usb.
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17:48<deb99>before that i was able to boot every Linux distro.
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17:49<KompjuterBenutzer>How do you boot a Linux Installation image ?
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17:58<KompjuterBenutzer>On Debian Stretch 9.4 i have liblzma-dev and libzstd-dev installed, but if i build Tor and before while i do ./configure i get two WARNING messages that liblzma and libzstd could not be found and also when running Tor i see on the Log File Title : Liblzma N/a Libzstd N/a
17:58<dust>https://www2.eecs.berkeley.edu/Pubs/TechRpts/2017/EECS-2017-217.pdf
17:58<dust>Large-Scale Analysis of Modern Code Review Practices and Software
17:58<dust>Security in Open Source Software
17:59<KompjuterBenutzer>I believe it stands for "Not avaiable" although the Libraries are avaiable
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18:03<Brigo>KompjuterBenutzer, you can boot a linux intallation image with somthing like virtualbox.
18:03<Brigo>KompjuterBenutzer, most likely it is search for that libraries in the wrong place, check the logs for more info.
18:04<KompjuterBenutzer>You mean Tor Logs or the System Logs ? Because at least in Tor Log File there is nothing about it
18:04<KompjuterBenutzer>(Except in the Title)
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18:09<Brigo>KompjuterBenutzer, tor logs or check the .configure for clues.
18:09<jerryspizza>hey
18:10<KompjuterBenutzer>does ./configure make Logs ?
18:10<KompjuterBenutzer>Where can i find them ?
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18:11<KompjuterBenutzer>I mean im wondering that nobody have the same Problem, i believe that i am not the only one who build Tor in Debian, and i did nothing ususual what the normal User would not do
18:11<KompjuterBenutzer>I did it on the usual Way
18:12<Brigo>KompjuterBenutzer, if you have the libraries installed and Tor .config can't find them, i would check that script for clues.
18:13<Brigo>KompjuterBenutzer, what's the problem with debian tor?
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18:17<KompjuterBenutzer>One Problem is that it is not up to Date always and if i look at the Moment for Example, i see that the last Change on the Tor Package for Stretch Version was made in December 2017 although there were made multiple Security Fixes in Tor 0.3.2.10 and which was released in March 2018 and some Fixes in January were also ignored on Debian Stables Tor Package
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18:19<KompjuterBenutzer>The Torproject Website says that it is fine to use Debians Tor Package but if you have Ubuntu you should not use their Packages because the Time showed that their Tor Package is not up to Date always, but if i look to the Ubuntus Repository i see the last Change was made to the Tor Package in March so it seems they did notice the new Tor Release on March and did their Package up to Date not like Debian
18:19<dondelelcaro>KompjuterBenutzer: there is a tor package in stretch-backports which may be helpful
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18:19<KompjuterBenutzer>I run Debian Stable for a good Reason, so you have to go with your Backports
18:20<KompjuterBenutzer>go away*
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18:20<KompjuterBenutzer>If Users running Debian Stable then they have a good Reason
18:20<dondelelcaro>KompjuterBenutzer: yes, that's why I suggested backports
18:20<KompjuterBenutzer>No Backports are Packages from Debian Testing, not stable
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18:21<dondelelcaro>KompjuterBenutzer: right, but you presumably wanted a newer tor package than was in stable.
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18:21<dondelelcaro>KompjuterBenutzer: so you could install that specific package from backports
18:22<KompjuterBenutzer>No because i want Debian Stable and not Debian Testing which i would get if i install the Debian Testing Tor Package
18:22<KompjuterBenutzer>It is not called for no Reason Testing
18:22<dondelelcaro>KompjuterBenutzer: uh, no.
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18:22<dondelelcaro>KompjuterBenutzer: you'd just have that one specific package from testing. Everything else would still be from stable.
18:23<KompjuterBenutzer>I do not want a Debian Testing Package
18:23<dondelelcaro>KompjuterBenutzer: your alternative is to not update tor, and if there is an unaddressed CVE, then file a bug which is tagged appropriately and/or backport the security fixes to it
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18:23<KompjuterBenutzer>Why the Security Fixes are not in the Debian Stable Repository ? This is the Problem
18:23<dondelelcaro>KompjuterBenutzer: which security fixes?
18:24<dondelelcaro>KompjuterBenutzer: if you give me a CVE and/or a bug number, I can point you at the discussion of them
18:24<KompjuterBenutzer>Multiple Security Fixes were made since Debian Tor last Modification December 2017
18:24<KompjuterBenutzer>No Discussion
18:24<dondelelcaro>KompjuterBenutzer: "Multiple Security Fixes" is not a CVE and/or bug number.
18:25<KompjuterBenutzer>dondelelcaro: It is not important, i do not know why you asking me this, the thing is only that Debian does not do the Tor Package on Debian Stable up to Date and this is bad
18:25<towo`>no package in debian stable is up to date
18:25<towo`>it's not a bug, it's a feature
18:25<KompjuterBenutzer>Nobody called it a Bug
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18:26<KompjuterBenutzer>Its a feature, its bad
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18:26<dondelelcaro>KompjuterBenutzer: you seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of how stable works. The only fixes that stable gets are serious bugs and security fixes which have CVEs or bugs.
18:26<KompjuterBenutzer>The Torproject Website will change the Statement to Debians Tor Package i will take care of it
18:26<towo`>and bzw, your crying the whole time here is annoying and bulky
18:27<annadane>please. LEARN how things work before making unfounded claims
18:28<KompjuterBenutzer>annadane: You have to learn to be not so rude litttle GIRL|
18:28<annadane>ESPECIALLY if you answer back to people asking you questions with "not important, no discussion"
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