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#debian IRC Logs for 2018-03-14

---Logopened Wed Mar 14 00:00:46 2018
00:00-!-Hotpot33 [~Hot_Pot@116.206.202.151] has joined #debian
00:00-!-Hotpot33 is "WUT" on #virt #tor #qemu #oftc #linode #fsci #debian #ceph
00:03-!-trebmuh [~Olivier@2a01:cb11:416:ed00:ac73:4d38:3b25:52b2] has joined #debian
00:03-!-trebmuh is "Olivier Humbert" on #debian #debian-boot #debian-edu #debian-l10n-fr #debian-live #debian-multimedia #debian-next #linux-rt #oftc
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00:13-!-schoppenhauer2 is "css" on #debian #debian-a11y #brltty
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00:19-!-hbautista is "Héctor" on #debian-es #archlinux #oclug #osm-es #debian #debian-mx
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00:23-!-hbautista is "Héctor" on #osm-es #debian #debian-mx
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00:29-!-quentusrex is "William King" on #debian
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00:32-!-l31rb4g is "Gabriel" on #debian-kde #debian
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00:44-!-galex-713 is "Alexandre Garreau" on #debian-kde #debian
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00:48-!-galex-713_ is "Alexandre Garreau" on #debian-kde #debian
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00:53-!-Beowulf is "realname" on #debian
00:54-!-YuGiOhJCJ [~YuGiOhJCJ@00021b1f.user.oftc.net] has joined #debian
00:54-!-YuGiOhJCJ is "YuGiOhJCJ" on #debian #qemu @#yugiohjcj #oftc #tor
00:55-!-epony [~nym@77-85-141-14.ip.btc-net.bg] has joined #debian
00:55-!-epony is "Eponymous Pseudonym" on #bitrig #C #debian #gcc #munin #openvas #otr #qemu #suckless #virt
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01:01-!-tulitar is "Bitch with a PhD" on #debian-fi #debian
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01:04-!-dboehmer__ is "Daniel B\xF6hmer,,," on #debian
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01:05-!-tomg is "*Unknown*" on #debian #debian-next @#debian-support @#initfreedom
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01:16-!-galex-713 is "Alexandre Garreau" on #debian-kde #debian
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01:22-!-Darcidride_ is "Quentin" on #ceph #debian #debian-boot #debian-gnome #debian-next #gcc #observium #osm #ovirt #qemu #tor #tor-project #virt
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01:27-!-YuGiOhJCJ is "YuGiOhJCJ" on #debian #qemu @#yugiohjcj #oftc #tor
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01:28-!-YuGiOhJCJ is "YuGiOhJCJ" on #debian #qemu @#yugiohjcj #oftc #tor
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01:30-!-galex-713_ is "Alexandre Garreau" on #debian-kde #debian
01:31-!-tulitar [~Hanna@2600:1700:dc40:b740:ec5e:2b4f:5ba9:360c] has joined #debian
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01:45-!-Speed2u is "Speed2u - The One And Only™" on #debian
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01:47-!-REiN is "REiN" on #oftc #debian-next #debian-multimedia #debian-desktop #debian
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01:47-!-jm_ is "." on #debian #debian-ops
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01:51-!-dust is "dust" on #otr #siduction #siduction-de #siduction-dev #linux-rt #debian-science #debian-next #debian-lxqt #debian
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01:59-!-txgvnn1 is "txgvnn" on #debian-vn #debian
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02:20-!-galex-713 is "Alexandre Garreau" on #debian-kde #debian
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02:29-!-absenta is "Werner Hiller" on #virt #subgraph #qemu #debian-next #debian
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02:38-!-quentusrex is "William King" on #debian
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02:45-!-NomadJim__ is "Nomad" on #debian #linode
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02:48-!-absenta is "Werner Hiller" on #virt #subgraph #qemu #debian-next #debian
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02:52-!-highsky_ is "Piotr P" on #debian-qemu #debian-perl #debian-kde #debian #bash-completion
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02:53<Palka56>Hi)
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02:57-!-supaman is "Ólafur Jens Sigurðsson" on #debian-science #debian-next #debian
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05:05<ullbeking>good morning all
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05:08<ullbeking>so i have been chatting with a colleague lately, who says that its security model and update model for stable is all wrong. the argument is that doing cherry-picking to fix security holes and other critical bugs, especially in the kernel, without bringing the entire software package forward, has the overall effect of introducing more bugs and potential security exploits.
05:08<ullbeking>i'm looking for a reasoned discussion on this
05:08<ullbeking>but i've been unable to find answers on the web or any actual examples where this happens
05:09<ullbeking>however, i'm just a user, and unfamiliar with the details of the debian stable security patching and critical bug patching process
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05:11<ullbeking>does anybody here understand the issue, or can provide me with some practical examples? i must admit that i did get some very strange behavior the other day when i compiled flashrom and then it had runtime failures. this may or may not be due to debian strangeness (it could have been due to bad memory, a bad coreboot flash, etc)
05:11<b17_>ullbeking: I have noticed a persistent effort lately about this issue, can you tell me who is the main driver of the effort? Who is the colleague and who does he work for?
05:12<ullbeking>i'm just looking for a reasoned discussion on this, as debian has been good to me for many years
05:13<ullbeking>i'm not looking to cause a fight. i have been a happy debian user for many years and apart from this one isolated flashrom issue i had and some theoretical arguments from this colleague about the problem of "cherry picking" and "monkey patching" (i don't think he uses that term correctly) in the kernel, i've not experienced any major problems with debian
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05:14<ullbeking>b17_: i'm happy to take this into pm and discuss in confidence
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05:15<b17_>I'm confused you have a colleague in programming but you say you are just a user?
05:15<ullbeking>b17_: i call him a colleague but we i am just a user of debian and he's not due to his arguments
05:15<ullbeking>b17_: i have to go afk for a bit but will pick up again on the conversation shortly
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05:16<b17_>yeah well it looks like another trolling thread about "why does debian do it this way"
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05:19<b17_>ullbeking: if the colleague has any helpful advice or criticism then he should be willing to help semi-publicly in the dev or security lists I suppose.
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05:30<b17_>ullbeking: I am not a developer and not in the 'debian loop' but the way I understand it, by only importing security fixes, instead of just dumping wholesale new versions into the distribution, new bugs from upstream are not introduced on stable systems.
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05:39<b17_>ullbeking: this is good also https://www.debian.org/security/faq#oldversion
05:40<ullbeking>b17_: ^^ that is how I understand it too
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05:40<ullbeking>But he is criticising the process with theoretical scenarios but no concrete examples
05:41<ullbeking>He is a colleague in the sense that we kind of collaborate on the same libre project
05:43<ullbeking>I’m pressing him for more details and concrete examples. His main argument is that the Debian kernel diverges a lot from mainstream upstream kernel in comparison with, say, arch, which follows it more closely
05:44<ullbeking>And apparently this divergence causes weird problems in the _platform_
05:44<ullbeking>For example, my flashrom problems the other day
05:45<ullbeking>But even that hasn’t been proven to be caused by Debian (I still need to run memtest, etc)
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05:45<b17_>ullbeking: I can see the point of looking at linux as a whole, but my experience is only with debian, so I can't really comment about differences between linux distros.
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05:46<ullbeking>He’s a smart, patient, and good guy, and I respect his opinion. But he is having trouble articulating this argument.
05:47<b17_>I have friends I respect also, but I don't let them run my computers.
05:48<b17_>If you want to have a good conversation with someone, use documentation on him, that gets them every time.
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06:11<pi>what's about this channel? Debian?
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06:12<petn-randall>!debian
06:12<dpkg>somebody said debian was http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents
06:13<petn-randall>pi: Yes, Debian. ^^^
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06:13<pi>thnks
06:15<pi>thanks petn
06:15<pi>that's what i mean
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06:16<pi>why could be that i have no sound in my pixel os?
06:17<pi>recently i upgraded it from 8 to debian 9
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06:29<pi>pixel os is based on debian
06:30<duclicsic>!based on debian
06:30<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
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06:34<ullbeking>b17_: indeed. I have been using Debian for nearly 20 years with no major problems, and one unconfirmed situation of “platform weirdness”. I’m not about to ditch it without a very convincing reason, and so far I have nothing like that, only theoretical arguments as to why the “Debian way” of cherry-picking security fixes causes more issues than it solves. I am pressing him for examples because I simply don’t understand the
06:34<ullbeking>argument fully.
06:35<ullbeking>Switching my main driver district would be highly disruptive
06:35<ullbeking>And to do so without good reason and understanding why is just bad engineering.
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06:47<b17_>ullbeking: Like I mentioned, I have noticed a persistent effort by several upstream devs to challenge the way things work. They seem to want to get newer versions into stable without testing or review or patch. Usually it seems to be because they write and release a lot of buggy code.
06:48<b17_>and they want a faster way to fix mistakes.
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06:54<b17_>I mean really, If your code won't stand a couple years with minor patches, how good is it? Maybe they should slow down?
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06:55<pi>so, my actual os isn't Debian?
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06:55<pi>so you mean that I'm using a kind of fork?
06:56<towo^work>pi your os is propably raspbian
06:56<pi>exactly towo
06:56<towo^work>pi, but that's not debian
06:56<towo^work>ans so, here is not supported
06:56<towo^work>s/ans/and
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06:58<_pa>pi, why are you concern abuot forks?
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06:59<_pa>forks are good towo^work
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07:01<pi>what?
07:02<pi>so, what is raspbian? if isn't Debian, but is not a fork, what is it?
07:03<pi>sorry, i should learn more about it
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07:03<pi>but works fine in my PC
07:03<pi>that's enough for me
07:03<blast007>!raspbian
07:03<dpkg>Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. http://www.raspbian.org/
07:04<pi>thanks dpkg
07:04<pi>anyways
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07:05<pi>i use Debian too
07:05<pi>sometimes
07:05<pi>i mean, installed in another device
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07:06<pi>dpkg...
07:07<pi>how can i change to the node that you provide me?
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07:08<b0oot>Hi,
07:08<pi>hello
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07:09<pi>then bye
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07:09<pi>dpkg, you are a robot? or an user?
07:09<dpkg>I resemble that remark!
07:09<blast007>pi: dpkg is a bot
07:09<pi>haha
07:09<pi>tahnks
07:10<pi>excuse me
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07:10<pi>blast007
07:10<blast007>to change to freenode, you can probably use /server irc.freenode.net
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07:41<nomax>hi guys
07:41<nomax>anyone here familiar with debian on Lenovo X230?
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07:44<ullbeking>b17: I’m
07:45<ullbeking>b17: I’m not referring to upstream dev, but regular user
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07:53<b17>ullbeking: i'm a regular user too, just offering an opinion. I like the way security fixes are backported for most pkgs. In fact I wish the big browsers were handled by "monkey patching" or whatever you called it, instead of new ver dloads of 50mb every months
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07:53<b17>every time I update ff or chromium I have to dig thru them and turn off whaever new crap they put in.
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07:54<grawity>they are handled like that
07:54<grawity>Linux distros just disable it
07:54<grawity>because they want their .debs and .rpms
07:55<BCMM>monkey patching isn't the same thing as delta updating...
07:55<grawity>I assume that's what they meant by "or whatever you call it"
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07:55<grawity>due to the 50 MB download reference
07:56<b17>i dont know what it's called, but security fix the debian way is my pref Just the fix and nothing else..
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07:58<grawity>BCMM: I think at least Firefox is capable of the former to some extent, though
07:58<grawity>maybe just for certificate updates
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08:25<ullbeking>b17: look up monkey patching on Wikipedia. Many people use the term incorrectly, such as in this case.
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08:35<BCMM>i still don't know if he's using it as normal, using it to refer to delta updates, or using it in some totally different way
08:37<BCMM>so i'll just point out that http://debdelta.debian.net/ exists
08:38<b17>I looked up both monkey patching and delta updates, but neither seem to describe the debian way? I guess the best term would be backported patching?
08:39<b17>we get the whole new pkg, but not the newer upstream version.
08:40<b17>that way i don't have to worry about reconfiguring every new pkg after a security update
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08:53<sep>ullbeking, i think you are wasting your time. since he is not a debian user, he probably just needs some crutch to explain to himself why he chose the distro he did.. just agree to disagree, or agree that you have different priorities, he want rolling release, someone else might want reliable dependabillity. personaly i use debian stable for things i want to work. and debian testing when i want a rolling release (like my laptop), debian
08:53<sep>have proven itself incredibly reliable over decades of use so you do not need his approval for your choises.
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08:55<b17>I think the confusion is because non-debian devs list fixes by ver, and people don't realize that debian security team backports these fixes to the stable ver.
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09:08<ullbeking>BCMM: I will look at that link when I get to my studio and am at my desk (in transit now)
09:08<ullbeking>BCMM: ty
09:11<ullbeking>b17: yes, the confusion you describe is very similar or even the same, I think, as the confusion he was trying to describe. I was sort of understanding where was going with his argument but you explained it more clearly.
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09:13<ullbeking>b17: I should look into the way the security team works and how they release patches. One question I have is how long it takes for a confirmed security exploit to have a fix land in security. debian.org repo. He was saying that the process is much too slow, and that the security of Stable is an illusion.
09:14<ullbeking>Idk myself, I need to look myself
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09:15<ullbeking>But I always thought that Debian Stable with regularly applied updates is suitable for, say, an Internet-facing bastion host.
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09:17<ullbeking>sep: you might have a point. Maybe. But I can’t speak in his behalf as to his past experience. However I do know that in nearly 20 years, i have never had any major problem with Debian
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09:20<themill>Backporting security fixes can take a bit of time. So can reconfiguring services to deal with a new upstream version that has (yet again) changed its config in cruel, unusual and incompatible ways.
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09:23<b17>I knew this lady that always tried to tell me how to drive, "Too fast, do this do that." It's easy to criticize someone else when I'm not the one doing the work.
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09:24<b17>I don't know how long it takes, but when it gets here I expect it to work, so no rush.
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10:07<ullbeking>themill: b17: I completely agree. I’m in no hurry to move away from Debian, although it’s interesting to see how other distros work, and the Debian maintainers do a great job.
10:08<ullbeking>I’m just so puzzled and curious about what his beef with Debian is, and why he refuses to provide any concrete examples.
10:09<ullbeking>Also, I think once you’ve worked in a corporate enterprise, you appreciate things like Debian Stable or CentOS/RHEL much more.
10:11<ullbeking>You don’t have time to futz about with new versions of software. You need that security fix applied ASAP, otherwise the Compliance Team will chew you up, and then you need to move on immediately to the next productive work item.
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10:21<zathras>I have an app running in virtualenv/gunicorn. It requires some cronjobs but they fail under Debian. Anyone any idea why? http://paste.debian.net/1014531/ (python virtualenv, systemuser with no shell)
10:22<bremner>cron maybe needs a shell?
10:25<zathras>could be. Easy to add. Testing of cronjob though always remains challenging :-(
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10:32<zathras>no output on: run-parts -v /etc/cron.d
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12:25<ssdd73>hi... new here... can anyone recommend a good way to connect to my company's l2tp psk vpn?
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12:28<ssdd73>sorr... more info... debian 9 kde
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12:54<ullbeking>can anybody point to the "correct" way to install veracrypt on debian stable?
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12:56<Blacker47>ullbeking, why do you want it?
12:57<ullbeking>Blacker47: i formatted an external usb drive using veracrypt (fde) on mac os x. now i want to read it on linux.
12:57<ullbeking>is there an alternative, preferred solution?
12:57<Blacker47>ullbeking, cryptsetup should be able to read it.
12:58<ullbeking>i already have cryptsetup installed, i see
12:59<ullbeking>so that's the "successor" to truecrypt?
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13:00<ullbeking>if i wanted to create an encrypted external volume (e.g., usb hdd), would i use cryptsetup?
13:01<Blacker47>ullbeking: http://www.saout.de/pipermail/dm-crypt/2015-March/004651.html
13:01<ullbeking>Blacker47: ty
13:02<Blacker47>no, cryptsetup is primary for dm-crypt/luks linux encryption solution (with its pluses and minuses compared to truecrypt). but it can also use truecrypt and old loopaes/plain volumes.
13:03<Blacker47>there is also a way to create tcrypt volumes on debian too if you need it, but not with cryptsetup.
13:03<ullbeking>yes, i would need to create veracrypt volumes on debian
13:03<ullbeking>what would i use for that?
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13:06<Blacker47>ullbeking: https://packages.debian.org/stretch/tcplay
13:07<Blacker47>but the whole truecrypt/veracrypt things is not very goog supported scince it was "not secure anymore" and for daily use luks would be better solution - so use only tcrypt things if you need compability with windows or such things.
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13:09<ullbeking>well, for the time being, until i get my nas out of its box and set up as common storage for all my machines (i'm in the middle of moving offices, surrounded by boxes, and trying to unpack) i'll need this stupid external usb drive to move data between the two machines. so veracrypt seems like the best compatible option.
13:09<ullbeking>i agree re: luks but i don't think mac os x can understand luks
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13:11<Blacker47>if you anyway use different machines, then you can create your veracrypt containers on them.
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13:12<ullbeking>right, that's what i've done
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13:12<jhutchins_wk>ullbeking: Just set up a file share on one of the machines.
13:13<ullbeking>jhutchins_wk: that's exactly my point and what my aim is. but i need to get all the equipment out of the boxes and set everything up :-p
13:13<ullbeking>in the meantime i'm using usb drives
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13:14<ullbeking>i have a beautiful dual e5 workstation, for example, but that's tucked away somewhere. and besides, until i get my switch set up, i can't do much
13:14<ullbeking>i just received my order for my 42u cabinet today
13:14<ullbeking>it needs assembling though
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13:14<ullbeking>i probably should wait until i've got an extra pair of hands lol
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13:18<Blacker47>ullbeking, there was allways a problem with TC licence because it was not free and so with veracrypt too - i think it prevented TC/VC to be included in debian.
13:19<ullbeking>Blacker47: that makes sense, and it is kind of what i expected
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13:22<ullbeking>ok, so i have connected the veracrypt-encrypted external usb device and successfully "opened" it using cryptsetup
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13:23<ullbeking>now i have an entry in /dev/mappings that is a symlink to ../dm-3
13:23<ullbeking>what to do now please?
13:23<Blacker47>mount /dev/mapper/<name> /mnt/...
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13:23<ullbeking>oh it's that easy
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13:23<ullbeking>ty Blacker47
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13:24<Blacker47>ullbeking, after, umount /mnt/...; cryptsetup close <name>
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13:24<ullbeking>yup, there it is, and that worked
13:24<ullbeking>Blacker47: ty for the reminder to umount and cryptsetup close
13:25<Blacker47>ullbeking, if you will ever need to use the hidden volumes, then you must read if it is supported and how.
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13:26<ullbeking>Blacker47: you mean that there are caveats on how hidden volumes are supported by cryptsetup?
13:27<ullbeking>but ok, sure, reading the docs is pretty obviously essential for stuff like this
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13:27<ullbeking>i just wanted to do a quick sanity check and ensure that the basic functionality works, which it does
13:27<ullbeking>so thank you
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13:29<ullbeking>i've done a few basic operations (copied a file from the encrypted external disk onto the local machine then rm'ed it from the external disk)
13:30<ullbeking>then i umount'ed and closed with cryptsetup, that seemed to shut everything off cleanly, so i then unplugged the disk
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13:34<Blacker47>yes.
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15:38<qxt>Running stable and noticed there apt upgrade really wanted to pull in a lot of stuff. Was there a security issue recency?
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15:38<qxt>Tend to upgrade once every two weeks or so. Running Debian 9 GNU/Linux stable
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15:40<bremner>9.4 was released recently
15:40<bremner>that would bring a bunch of upgrades.
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15:42<annadane>yeah though aren't point releases just a formal listing of the upgrades people could have done already
15:43<qxt>bremner, not sure I follow? Why would that bring upgrades? Thought things were fixed unless you run back ports.
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15:44<qxt>or ofc testing. Then things change all the time.
15:44<bremner>generally point releases include less urgent fixes
15:44<qxt>ah that I did not know
15:44<bremner>still generally good to have
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15:45<qxt>I always get a twitchy colon when I see "upgrades" that look like security issues and still show up when I blacklist "security" in my sources.list
15:47<qxt>bremner, so these less urgent fixes are not addressed by the deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates main ?
15:47<qxt>I blacklisted that that and they are still showing up
15:47<bremner>correct.
15:48<qxt>thx
15:48<bremner>https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases/PointReleases
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16:32<pep_>When using a keyfile instead of a passphrase for my luks partition, update-initramfs gives me a warning: "cryptsetup: WARNING: root target uses a key file, skipped". And grub is not taking care of that either (default `grub-install`), so who is now? Because then the initramfs complains it doesn't find my vg, which is to be expected.
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16:34<rob_debian>Hi all ! Please, I'm finding it rather strange that the outuput for 'w' command is the same, both for the regular user 'r4fkramer', and for the 'root' user. Should not the values be different?
16:34<rob_debian>https://paste.debian.net/1014787/
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16:38<grawity>you mean when running things via 'su'?
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16:40<jelly>rob_debian: who actually logged in on that tty, root or user?
16:41<rob_debian>hi grawity, nice to meet you again here ! well, I just use 'su -' to switch to 'root' user
16:41<jelly>w shows who logged in. su does not open a new tty.
16:41<rob_debian>Hi jelly :) nice to meet you too ! both of them, jelly, 'r4fkramer' and 'root'
16:42<grawity>you're not actually switching the entire login session to root
16:42<jelly>rob_debian: "su" is not logging in.
16:42<grawity>you're just opening a new shell with root privileges, but the session as a whole doesn't change
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16:42<jelly>rob_debian: you can do "ssh root@localhost" and compare the differences.
16:43<jelly>and oops, I'm in wrong #debian again
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16:44<rob_debian>I see grawity and jelly. but when I use 'su -' and switch to 'root', so I just using root privileges but not in the entire login session ?
16:45<grawity>yes
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16:45<grawity>it would be clearer to think of `su` as a "stack" rather than a "switch"
16:46<rob_debian>honestly, it's not so clear for me yet, grawity. well, I'm in de environment as 'r4fkramer'. and open terminal to access 'root'. let's suppose I used root user and root passwd in the beginning of the graphical interface, so It would being used the entire login session as root ?
16:46<rob_debian>sorry if my doubt seems to be so stupid...
16:47<rob_debian>I see, grawity.. 'stack'
16:48<rob_debian>and jelly told me that 'su' is not logging in...
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16:54<futune>if you are in doubt that it's not a login, try to do 'logout' while in su
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16:58<rob_debian>fine, futune, thanks for hint !
16:59<qxt>Just got a Trezor T and it says the version of firefox is to old in stretch. Thought I would grab it as a backport. Am I blind or does firefox not exist as a bpo?
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16:59<rob_debian>See you all !
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16:59<annadane>qxt, you're not blind
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17:00<annadane>i don't know what a trezor t is but you can install firefox via other means
17:00<qxt>annadane, whats the reason for this? Seems strange.
17:00<annadane>see wiki.debian.org/Firefox
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17:00<annadane>because rust has to be ported to stable, i believe
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17:00<annadane>a new firefox esr is due to come to stable this summer
17:01<qxt>annadane, zomg please don't tell me you need that hippie dippy rust crap....
17:01<qxt>whats next golang and nodejs?
17:01<qxt>sry
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20:07<pep_>fwiw I was missing configuration in /etc/cryptsetup-initramfs/conf-hook, KEYFILE_PATTERN. I'm still not sure why it is required by the initramfs hook. It could just use the value given in crypttab.
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22:14<gundergus>logout
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22:16<dvs>that's a first
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23:10<keantoken>dpkg can't configure something because a package is missing but because it's not configured it can't install the package.
23:10<dpkg>keantoken: that's too long
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23:23<keantoken>my dpkg can't configure something because a package is missing but because it's not configured it can't install the package.
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23:53<linux_>nihao
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23:54<fs>asda
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23:55<Chen0312>hello
23:55<Chen0312> 你好
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23:55<zrj>hello
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23:55<linux_>.......
23:56<linux_>hello
23:56<linux__>你好
23:56<zrj>nihao
23:56<annadane>!zh
23:56<dpkg>如果您想要以中文得到 Debian 相關的協助,請加入 irc.debian.org 或 irc.oftc.net 上的 #dot 頻道,連線與加入頻道的方法請參閱 IRC 程式之相關說明,或於網路上搜尋。謝謝您的合作!
23:56<Chen0312>小周周
23:56<linux_>my name PDD
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23:57<fs>....
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23:57-!-fs is now known as hongge
23:57<wolf>hello
23:57-!-linux_ is now known as zhuhongSB
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23:57<hongge>piao lao shi
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23:57<wolf>juhong
23:58<hongge>zhang yang
23:58<wolf>nishizhendepi
23:58<wolf>you xiu
23:58<hongge>you xiu
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23:58<linux_>nihao
23:58<wolf>chen du ziu
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23:59<hongge>liu le
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23:59<linshangxian>dou shi zi ji ren ma
23:59<wolf>liule
23:59<linshangxian>chi fan le
23:59<annadane>can you please take this conversation somewhere else, this is a support channel for debian
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