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#debian IRC Logs for 2018-03-17

---Logopened Sat Mar 17 00:00:50 2018
00:12-!-unixpro1970 is "unixpro1970" on #kernelnewbies
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00:15<razer>k-man, Ah, I use 24 inch 144hz 1080p monitor, so I didn't run into that problem. I used to use 1440p with macOS, but gave that up.
00:16<razer>Is there a way to set status to away?
00:17<razer>razer, test
00:18<razer>ah ok /away and /back
00:18<razer>good night
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00:20-!-xbytemx is "Tony Palma" on #debian-next #debian-es #debian-mx #debian
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01:42<k-man>goodnight razer
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01:45-!-kathenas is "Phil Wyett" on #debian #debian-boot #debian-gnome #debian-reproducible #debian-offtopic #debian-derivatives #debian-live #debian-next
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04:45<eri_>hello
04:45<eri_>debian is very neat
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06:54<olspookishmagus>hello, I want to find all packages that are installed but not up-to-date with any repository, such as: https://paste.debian.net/plain/1015192
06:54<olspookishmagus>any ideas how can I do that?
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07:00<blast007>olspookishmagus: are you needing it in that format? or just wanting a list of packages? 'apt list --upgradable' and 'aptitude search ~U' show a list of packages that can be upgraded
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07:01<olspookishmagus>blast007: I'll go with this: $ for installed_package in $( dpkg -l | awk '{ if ( $1 == "ii" ) print $2 }' | sort ) ; do echo -n $installed_package ; apt-cache policy "$installed_package" | grep -A1 '\*\*\*' | tail -n1 ; done | grep -v 500
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07:43<olspookishmagus>is there an option (except grep -v deinstall) to have dpkg --get-selections to show only installed packages?
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07:57<GyrosGeier>not really
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07:59<GyrosGeier>also, you probably want grep '\binstall\b'
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10:02<k1>please I am using MUSIX conected with usb with yamaha and Casio Synth, using Rosegarden but I do not get to off. Rosegarden. I can`t hear the sound.
10:02<razer>k1, I don't use any MIDI equipment with my PC.
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10:46<EmleyMoor>Other than installing a suitably ancient edition of Windows 95 on either a real or virtual machine somewhere, is there any known method using Debian to access a data filesystem located in the track 1 pregap of an audio CD?
10:47<razer>EmleyMoor, I've not done that. Is that one of those dual session discs like the Quake 1 CD which had data on track 1 and music on the other tracks?
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10:48<EmleyMoor>razer: No. All tracks are music. The data is in the pregap of track 1.
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10:48<EmleyMoor>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pregap#Computer_data_in_pregap
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10:50<razer>EmleyMoor, I have no expertise in that. I would suspect some kind of raw data extraction would be needed.
10:50<razer>I see a mention of Exact Audio Copy. I used to use that.
10:50<EmleyMoor>And how is that to be done on an audio CD? Debian always "cooks" it
10:50<razer>Could Exact Audio Copy work with Wine?
10:51<razer>What data do you need so bad that would be in this pre-gap on an old cd? What data do they put there?
10:51<razer>A hidden track?
10:52<EmleyMoor>razer: It's photos, videos and maybe some other stuff. It's not audio
10:52<razer>And what about those Linux software listed for CD-R. If any can rip they may also rip that pre-gap track.
10:53<EmleyMoor>razer: I'm sure it's rippable... the problem is it's seemingly not actually possible to access
10:53<razer>You need something to mount the image so you can read it?
10:54<EmleyMoor>razer: I need a way to mount whatever is in the pregap
10:54<razer>I don't think you need windows 95. Maybe a virtual machine would be perfect for this though if you need a windows tool.
10:54<razer>I would think a good drive emulator which can mount would do that.
10:54<razer>I remember Daemon tools for windows.
10:55<EmleyMoor>razer: Only Windows 95 prior to OSR2 seems capable of doing it
10:55<razer>Maybe you can get a windows 95 image and run it in a virtual machine.
10:55<EmleyMoor>razer: Maybe I can... if anyone can point me to one, that would help...
10:56<razer>I've not tried looking. Do you still have a windows 95 cd?
10:56<EmleyMoor>razer: Only one I've been able to find is too new
10:57<razer>Man, I guess you can't find these photos and videos from another source.'
10:57<razer>What version of windows 95 is it you need?
10:58<EmleyMoor>Pre-OSR2
10:59<razer>https://winworldpc.com/product/windows-95/rtm
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10:59<razer>chicago, 95 demo, Release to market, OSR 1, OSR 2, OSR 2.1, OSR 2.5
10:59<razer>in order
11:02<razer>EmleyMoor, :)
11:03<EmleyMoor>razer: Thanks... just fetching OSR1 now as one "prong" of my attack
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11:40<EmleyMoor>I appear to be on the verge of having Windows 95 working... but as I am trying an alternative possibility at the moment as well, I won't be able to present the CD to it yet
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11:41<razer>EmleyMoor, Ok, good. It does say they won't boot and you need a boot disc. It has been too long since I've done that.
11:42<razer>I guess you can load the boot disc if they provide one and then switch once the VM has booted. I would hope that would work.
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11:42<EmleyMoor>Indeed, I found a boot disc earlier - needed it to test out whether the other CD was any good anyway
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11:44<jhutchins>EmleyMoor: dd can probably read and copy it.
11:50<EmleyMoor>jhutchins: How do you make dd work with an audio CD? And how cas I pull this out in a mountable format?
11:51<razer>I'm not sure. I think you need to look into cd copying using exact copies.
11:52<razer>Or, I'm not sure if you want to keep it in that format even. It is a bad format.
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11:55<mnuhmnuh>rip it to harddrive and open it up there.
11:56<mnuhmnuh>banshee?
11:58<EmleyMoor>mnuhmnuh: I'll look into that...
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11:58<EmleyMoor>razer: I don't really want to keep it in that format.... if I did, it wouldn't be a problem
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12:01<EmleyMoor>Pretty sure banshee is irrelevant
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12:02<mnuhmnuh>it's just an easy configurable tool; what sort of image do you want to rip? point & click.
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12:02<EmleyMoor>mnuhmnuh: This is not an easy, configurable situation
12:03<blast007>mnuhmnuh: EmleyMoor is trying to extract pregap data from an audio CD
12:03<EmleyMoor>I don't want an image of a CD I can only access part of, of which I will only be able to access the same palt
12:03<EmleyMoor>part*
12:03<mnuhmnuh>the thing was put together some way. if it's readable, we should be able to take it apart.
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12:04<mnuhmnuh>no, i don't know this area well - just offering suggestions. :-)
12:05<EmleyMoor>mnuhmnuh: Then we'll have it "in bits". What I need is the pregap of track 1 as a filesystem.
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12:09<EmleyMoor>Is there a way to leave an audio CD "not showing as audio but readable raw" on Debian? Might be able to trick a Win95 VM into reading the data if so
12:11<petn-randall>EmleyMoor: If you pass the device into the VM, Debian will not interact with it.
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12:12<mnuhmnuh>EmleyMoor: you should hang out at torrentfreak and techdirt. they're often talking about protection stripped copyright & gaming copies.
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12:14<mnuhmnuh>ripped copies work better than bought copies. go figger.
12:16<EmleyMoor>petn-randall: It's not passable, due to it being USB and Windows 95 that old not being
12:16<EmleyMoor>(unless there's a way I haven't figured out)
12:17<GyrosGeier>you can probably map it to ATAPI
12:18<EmleyMoor>I'll have a word with some people who know qemu well - unless anyone here can advise
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12:50<EmleyMoor>Latest. CUERipper for Windows has created a FLAC file of the pregap... now, in there somehow must be the filesystem... Any idea how I might access it?
12:55<petn-randall>EmleyMoor: What CD is this?
12:56<EmleyMoor>Tom Robinson - Having It Both Ways (1996)
12:57<petn-randall>EmleyMoor: And there's supposed to be some data in the pregap?
12:57<EmleyMoor>s/supposed to be // - yes
12:58<petn-randall>EmleyMoor: You should be able to create an image of it with `dd if=/dev/sr0 of=image.iso`, did you try that yet?
12:58<petn-randall>Replace sr0 with whatever device name it is.
12:58<petn-randall>Then you can pass the iso to the win95 VM.
12:59<EmleyMoor>Ummm... won't that create an image of the whole CD? (if it can - I have my doubts) - I very much doubt it will work but I will, of course, try it
12:59<petn-randall>It should be the naked CD image, byte for byte.
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12:59<EmleyMoor>I can see where you are going there...
13:00<petn-randall>You could then of course try to find the filesystem, but guessing the offset might be difficult. But possibly some rescue tool might help you with that.
13:00<EmleyMoor>(all previous attempts to dd audio CDs haven't worked, but it's been 15+ years since I tried)
13:01<EmleyMoor>dd: error reading '/dev/sr0': Input/output error
13:01<petn-randall>Is it the correct block device?
13:01<EmleyMoor>petn-randall: Yes
13:02<petn-randall>EmleyMoor: Then I'd use a tool like xfburn or brasero to create the image.
13:04<EmleyMoor>What kind of image with brasero? Readcd/Readom, Cue or Cdrdao?
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13:05<vincent_>Hi
13:05<vincent_>any parrot users ?
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13:07<blast007>!parrot
13:07<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
13:07<EmleyMoor>petn-randall: Any idea which to go for
13:07<EmleyMoor>?
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13:10<petn-randall>EmleyMoor: Not really, I only had an idea for the general approach. I'd try them all in turn or lookup their exact format.
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13:11<jhutchins>EmleyMoor: There might be something helpful here: http://www.cdrfaq.org/
13:11<jhutchins>EmleyMoor: There might be something helpful here: http://www.cdrfaq.org/
13:12<jhutchins>.
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13:14<jhutchins>Sorry, terminal problems.
13:14<jhutchins>EmleyMoor: That's basically everything there is to know about CDs/CDRs/DVDs.
13:14<EmleyMoor>Not spotted anything relevant yet
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13:15<jhutchins>EmleyMoor: Do you have any idea how big the pre-track data is?
13:15<EmleyMoor>The amount that would fit into the same space as approx. 33 minutes of audio
13:16<micrex22>Hey guys, I'm trying to install Debian (and also attempted a few other distros, but Debian seems to be the best bet). However... the Linux live installer boots up, and I get the correct resolution and everything, but a black screen. I can use options as if it was working, but can't 'see' anything as a result
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13:16<micrex22>Is there a way to force a text mode on the installer or... figure out why I always get a black screen on the live installers?
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13:17<jhutchins>EmleyMoor: Does files <device> give anything useful?
13:18<EmleyMoor>jhutchins: I'll try... when the device is free again
13:20<san__>micrex22: debian stretch?
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13:23<micrex22>san__ 9.3.0 not stretch
13:24<micrex22>FYI I had a similar problem years back with an ATI card where it was just that the live environment couldn't handle ATI GPUs properly
13:24<micrex22>but years later now I have the same thing on a different system using NVIDIA :p
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13:31<micrex22>trying to figure out what's going on with the NVS510, it's supposed to be supported by the live installer environments...
13:31<micrex22>http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/non-free/n/nvidia-graphics-drivers/unstable_changelog
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13:32<EmleyMoor>jhutchins: Did you mean "files" or "file"?
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13:34<micrex22>san__ sorry the installer I downloaded would be stretch
13:34<micrex22>https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/
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13:44<micrex22>Well after some more digging I can't really see anything concrete
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13:44<micrex22>I can't be the only one who has this issue, esp. since I've encountered it twice so far
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13:46<blast007>micrex22: have you tried the normal installer, not the live DVD?
13:47<zulrax>hey i have a problem running two monitors. I can't run them both 1080p at the same time, but it will work if i set the second monitor to 1680. i have installed the amd drivers
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13:48<razer>zulrax, Are you using Debian Stable, or something newer?
13:49<zulrax>razer, "Linux debian 4.9.0-6-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.82-1+deb9u3 (2018-03-02) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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13:50<razer>zulrax, I'm not super familiar with that notation. But I think it is regular Debian (Debian Stable 9.3)
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13:50<zulrax>razer, i believe so
13:50<micrex22>blast007: https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-dvd/
13:51<razer>I'm running Debian 9.4 right now (Regular / Stable)
13:51<micrex22>as far as I know, -all- installers use the live environment
13:51<bremner>no
13:51<micrex22>because they're graphical
13:51<micrex22>and not text-based
13:51<blast007>micrex22: the live DVD is different
13:51<blast007>that's an installer DVD, not a live DVD
13:52<razer>I've been experimenting with Debian Testing and MX Linux as well though. I think MX is basically that elusive usable mix between Debian Stable and Testing.
13:52<micrex22>blast007: well the one I think I was using was debian-live-9.3.0-amd64-cinnamon.iso, so I'll give that other one a shot
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13:53<zulrax>i downloaded the 9.4 from the website
13:53<micrex22>although I'm out of DVDs
13:53<micrex22>due to installing so many linux images
13:53<zulrax>https://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst
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13:56<razer>I'm loving that Spotify is on Debian. The installation took super long to download though. Very slow speed. I think it came from the Ubuntu repository.
13:56<orion160>hi
13:58<zulrax>anyone who has any idea why i can't run two monitors in 1080p 60hz at the same time on amd card?
13:58<orion160>i had seached for a long time the correct input for my keybrd and i cant , my native language is spanish and the default and any others spanish languages doesnt match
13:58<EmleyMoor>Hmm... how can I make a "one file" image of an audio CD?
13:59<b17>zulrax: did it work with the free radeon driver?
13:59<zulrax>which one is that?
13:59<zulrax>i believe i downloaded this https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=firmware-amd-graphics
14:00<b17>zulrax: you said i have installed the amd drivers
14:00<zulrax>b17, i installed the firmware-amd-graphics
14:01<blast007>micrex22: if you have a large enough flash drive that you can wipe, and your computer can boot from USB, you can use that as well
14:01<b17>zulrax: is 1080 listed as available mode for both outputs, either gui or xrandr?
14:02<blast007>micrex22: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en
14:02<razer>zurlax: You could always try Debian testing or MX Linux, just to see if it is a newer software required problem.
14:02<micrex22>blast007 I think I'll download this CD image https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/
14:02<micrex22>since I have a lot of spare CD-ROMs
14:03<zulrax>b17, yes full xrandr https://pastebin.com/ga5KwqeU
14:03<micrex22>because this is a System x, I should probably download the one with non-free firmware support
14:03<razer>Oh yeah, I only recently found out about the unoficial isos in a video. with non-free. Not exactly sure what is in there. It says proprietary but distributable or something. Does that mean it has Nvidia drivers?
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14:03<zulrax>razer, i suppose but i first want to try everything i can on stable
14:03<b17>zulrax: says they are both connected an in 1080 what's the problem?
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14:04<zulrax>b17, my second monitor shows is black
14:04<zulrax>b17, but hte green led is on so it is getting a signal, but it's just black
14:05<zulrax>b17, if i change the resolution of the other monitor to something lower it will display
14:05<blast007>the unofficial firmware ISOs don't seem to include the proprietary nvidia drivers
14:05<micrex22>the live installers are probably using nouveau
14:05<micrex22>so...
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14:06<micrex22>do the "free" non-livei nstallers NOT include nouveau?
14:06<micrex22>because if they're using nouveau (live and non-live) they also won't be using the nvidia drivers
14:06<EmleyMoor>Nothing in brasero can help me produce an image that can be passed as a cdrom to the Win95 VM in such as way as to do anything at all. Nothing in xfburn can even create an image.
14:06<b17>zulrax: only two dvi ports or is there an hdmi you can try?
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14:06<zulrax>b17, my gpu has a hdmi but my monitors do not
14:06<micrex22>and I'm fairly certain nouveau in (all) of these distribution installers are the root of the problem
14:06<b17>oh i see it has displayport too
14:07<zulrax>b17, yeah gpu has but not monitors
14:07<b17>i have read about some issues on radeon with two dvi at the same time, could be a hardware issue.
14:08<orion160>how i can find the correct input source for my keyboard
14:08<zulrax>b17, hmm. in windows it does work fine
14:08<micrex22>zulrax: does your AMD/ATI card have enough RAMDACs for all outputs?
14:08<zulrax>micrex22, what is RAMDAC?
14:09<micrex22>it's used to display the picture on a particular port (even digital, because AMD cut corners)
14:09<micrex22>so if you have two RAMDACs and three display ports
14:09<micrex22>only two of the three wil work at any given time.
14:10<b17>might have a certain amount of memory for both dvi ports, that is weird that it craps out on the preferred mode though.
14:10<zulrax>micrex22, i suppose i have since i can use both monitors 1080p in windows
14:10<micrex22>yeah then it's not related
14:10<micrex22>zulrax are you using proprietary drivers?
14:11<EmleyMoor>So, the situation I have: I have an audio CD which contains computer data in the track 1 pregap. CUERipper on Windows 10 has created a FLAC file of the pregap. I either need to recover the filesystem from that or get the disc into a Windows 95 pre-OSR2 VM in some way so that the data can be read. Any clues as to how I might achieve one of these?
14:11<b17>zulrax: have you tried switching them? one is dvi-d and the other is dvi-i maybe the monitos are picky
14:11<micrex22>I don't think it's the hardware
14:11<zulrax>micrex22, amd does not support proprietary drivers for debian, only ubuntu it seems when it comes to my r9 380
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14:11<micrex22>if it was working under windows
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14:12<micrex22>zulrax: so if you don't haev proprietary drivers, you're probably not getting eyefinity
14:12<micrex22>which is a problem.
14:12<zulrax>b17, both monitors work with either port, but only one at a time
14:13<zulrax>micrex22, isn't eyefinity for 3 displays though?
14:13<micrex22>zulrax: there could be cost cutting done that requires some extra work done by the proprietary driver
14:14<zulrax>micrex22, does that mean i have to switch to ubuntu to download it? since they only seem to support ubuntu, r9 3xx series https://support.amd.com/en-us/download/linux
14:15<micrex22>zulrax: well I'd just test the theory out before completely switching over
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14:16<zulrax>micrex22, fair enough, can i install the drivers on a livecd?
14:17<micrex22>zulrax: looks like you can https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1783540
14:17<micrex22>using persistent data
14:17<micrex22>you'll need a USB stick though
14:18<zulrax>micrex22, i see. i will try it out, thanks for the help so far
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14:30<Guest851>hi
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14:42<Guest851>im new
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14:43<Guest851>to xchat
14:44<Guest851>it is nice out side
14:44<EmleyMoor>Guest851: xchat is an IRC client. See http://www.irchelp.org/ for general help with IRC
14:45<EmleyMoor>There is also a channel, #irchelp, on FreeNode, EFnet and IRCnet
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15:04<orion160>i cand write sudo in terminal
15:04<orion160>i searched and
15:04<orion160>su - usermod -aG sudo your_username
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16:30<furrymcgee>
16:30<GyrosGeier>yes?
16:31<furrymcgee>just problems with irssi hotkey
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16:32<furrymcgee>ctrl+n is next window but whats previous window?
16:33<furrymcgee>oh ctrl+p :)
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17:37<jhutchins>furrymcgee: Alt-<arrow> works to, as does alt-<window number>
17:38<blast007>you can also use alt-q through o (at least on a US keyboard layout) for window slots 10 through 19
17:39<jhutchins>Yup.
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18:24<mnuhmnuh>alt-q thru o fail here; appears alt is compose key here? i can eg. "±" w alt-1. ² ³ ®®® mate, utf-8, uxterm.
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18:25<blast007>mnuhmnuh: left alt key
18:26<mnuhmnuh>nope, they both do ñ ï
18:26<blast007>*shrugs*
18:27<mnuhmnuh>i'm running testing/buster, but i doubt that matters.
18:29<jhutchins>mnuhmnuh: I have to use the left Alt key.
18:30<jhutchins>This is Jessie XFCE.
18:30<jhutchins>Looks like either Ctrl key works with n/p
18:31<jhutchins>Hum, and my right Alt key works too - at least on this system.
18:31<jhutchins>Oh, that's because VBox captures the right keys.
18:31<blast007>pressing esc (not holding) and then those letters (or the numbers) also works
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20:40<razer>Woah, so I can just execute .appimage files on Debian? That is cool!
20:40<razer>It asked me if I want to make some file on the desktop though. I'm not sure what that did.
20:41<razer>I don't see anything on the desktop. The program I'm using is Etcher.
20:41<razer>I don't think .flatpaks will just execute in Debian like appimages do.
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20:44<razer>Oh, I see the image on the desktop now. It is called Debian 9.4.0 amd64 n. I didn't recognize it.
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21:28<Guest885>I am having a problem with file transfering. I am on Debian, using Nautilus as my file manager in XFCE. Connecting to my old server vie SSH and trying to copy/paste files from remote to local. The connection works, I can browse and open files on the remote... however once I copy/paste Nautilus cues up all the files (~1000) but hangs on copying file 1.
21:29<Guest885>Sometimes I can get past a few files, but it never ventures into copying the folders
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21:42<orion160>hi everyone, i got figured out because times new roman font wasnt in LibreOffice and i searched and the package ttf-mscorefonts-installer
21:42<orion160> wasnt availe
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21:46<mnuhmnuh>it is in testing/buster, fwiw.
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21:55<orion160>how i could have TNR in libreoffice
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21:56<orion160>package ttf-mscorefonts isnt availe, any other??
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21:58<mnuhmnuh>b17 - sigh, gone. XTerm*metaSendsEscape: true here, both alts work, esc-q->p not, alt-arrow works, control arrow moves by word on <-- this line.
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22:09<sigimac>running apt-get update I get this
22:09<sigimac>N: Skipping acquire of configured file 'main/binary-i386/Packages' as repository 'http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb stable InRelease' doesn't support architecture 'i386'
22:10<sigimac>not sure why 32 bit is in there since this is 64bit. How do I get rid of this error?
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22:17<mnuhmnuh>sigimac: you might /etc/apt/sources.list* --> paste.debian.net
22:17<mnuhmnuh>sigimac: anything in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ?
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22:17<sigimac>looking right now
22:18<sigimac>in sources.list.d/ I have a few
22:19<sigimac>http://paste.debian.net/1015297/
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22:21<sigimac>http://paste.debian.net/1015298/ <---- sources.list
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22:23<mnuhmnuh>i suspect the former is expecting the latter to source it, but i could be mistaken. how's /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* get slurped? i don't use it.
22:23<sigimac>mnuhmnuh: I was wondering if it had to do with allowing 32bit for steam?
22:24<sigimac>I enabled 32bit for steam
22:24<sigimac>wonder if I can remove that
22:25<mnuhmnuh>no prob running 32 bit on 64. it's complaining about i386, wants to do amd64/whatever.
22:25<sigimac>its not a big deal but I hate seeing it
22:26<mnuhmnuh>i'd just "less /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*" and read through them all.
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22:33<mnuhmnuh>grep dl.google.com /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
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22:38<sigimac>http://paste.debian.net/1015299/
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22:43<mnuhmnuh>there you go. comment out those lines in those files and that N: (notice?) should disappear. will it disable/break anything? hmm ...
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22:45<mnuhmnuh>i only use debian repos, never used chrome, and don't know what google's given you which might need updates.
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22:46<mnuhmnuh>!frankendebian
22:46<dpkg>When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
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23:38-!-HumanG33k [~HumanG33k@62.147.242.8] has joined #debian
23:38-!-HumanG33k is "realname" on #debian #debian-debsources #debian-desktop #debian-devel-changes #debian-mozilla #debian-meeting #debian-toolchain #debian-next
23:38-!-meminemy [~quassel@2001:628:2120:630:9ba:60df:e264:cc96] has joined #debian
23:38-!-meminemy is "Alfred Egger,,," on #fai #debian
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