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00:00<osxfailure445f>I figured it out the booting issue - I was holding down the option key (this starts the os x side of things)
00:00<osxfailure445f>Unfortunately while trying to debug myself I deleted one of the created partitions so I must reinstall debian
00:00<osxfailure445f>still haven't figured out the network card issue yet
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00:17<pezcadito>ayuda
00:17<pezcadito> quiero instalar wifi en debien y no lo logro
00:17<pezcadito>novato
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00:31<Arcade>osxfailure445f, take a look at: https://wiki.debian.org/MacBook/Wireless
00:33<Arcade>I am guessing the chip needs to use the non-free repo or debian nonfree DVD
00:33<osxfailure445f>ah I see that is the problem
00:35<osxfailure445f>I will see if I can get the thunderbolt to ethernet adapter working under debian
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02:20<micrex22>blast007 so I just tried the non-live debian installer
02:20<micrex22>same issue
02:20<micrex22>So...
02:21<micrex22>I'll have to pull my graphics card out to use the primitive onboard VGA to install Linux then
02:21<micrex22>I just don't understand why these installers have to be graphical
02:21<micrex22>and utilize broken open source drivers
02:22<grawity>you realize the boot menu has a choice between graphical and textonly
02:22<micrex22>I can't see anything when it launches
02:23<micrex22>so if it does, I'd need to know the keystrokes in advance
02:23<grawity>the boot menu only uses system-provided VESA modes, so blame your BIOS for that one
02:23<micrex22>to operate it blindly
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02:25<micrex22>grawity if it's VESA, then why does the installer pick up my 3840x2400 resolution?
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02:26<grawity>the installer is not the boot menu
02:26<grawity>the installer is *after* the boot menu
02:26<micrex22>well then the boot menu is either bypassed, or displayed in 3840x2400
02:26<micrex22>which isn't VESA
02:27<grawity>the boot menu isn't even Linux and doesn't use any of Linux drivers
02:27<grawity>from what I recall during my last Debian installation, the boot menu offers you a choice between the graphical installer and a text-mode one
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02:27<micrex22>I mean... I guess I can try the same thing in another machine to see what it's trying to display
02:27<grawity>(as well as a graphical installer in low-res mode, for that matter)
02:28<grawity>I'd try one of "Down-arrow Enter" or "E Spacebar video=800x600 Enter"
02:29<cef>The boot menu is grub, and should be 640x480.
02:29<grawity>wasn't it syslinux?
02:30<cef>in the non-live installer? I think it's grub directly.. tho it could be syslinux. I have it on a key somewhere....
02:30<grawity>hmm
02:30<grawity>if it's grub2, keyboarding around to find the kernel command line would be annoying
02:30<grawity>and if it's syslinux, I guess the keypress is not E but Right-arrow
02:30<micrex22>cef: I attempted both the live and non-live installer, and both correctly detect the resolution of whatever monitor I plug them into
02:31<cef>it's grub2's gui.
02:32<grawity>I booted up debian-live-9.1.0-i386-xfce+nonfree in BIOS mode (in qemu) and got https://i.imgur.com/C6fGZiO.png
02:32<grawity>that's grub2, I guess
02:32<cef>fwiw: it's 800x600 (based on what I see on the net installer)
02:32<grawity>so it has "Graphical installer" as 3rd menu item and text-mode "Debian installer" as 4th
02:34<cef>If it's on a USB key, you can mount the usb key and rename "grub/font.pf2" to something else and it won't do any graphical grub stuff (I think).
02:34<micrex22>grawity yeha I just put the disc in my pentium 1
02:34<micrex22>and got the same thing
02:34<cef>sorry, boot/grub/font.pf2
02:35<cef>micrex22: ahh.. you using a cd/dvd?
02:36<cef>micrex22: what video card?
02:36<micrex22>NVS510
02:36<micrex22>(on the system I'm trying to install it)
02:37<micrex22>cef yeah I'm using the CD net install because I ran out of DVDs, and because it's a PITA whitelisting the USB port on my system in the UEFI)
02:37<micrex22>but I guess I can also throw it in my pentium 1 as a result :p
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02:42<cef>Can't rename files on it tho.. cos that would solve the issue with grub
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02:42<cef>or at the least you could edit boot/grub/grub.cfg and change the command lines/defaults
02:43<micrex22>cef: now that I have the menu listing I'll give it a shot again
02:43<micrex22>LOL I could always install it with speech synthesis as if I was blind hahaha
02:43<micrex22>:p
02:44<cef>ok.. if you have speakers you should hear a tone when you're at the prompt.
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02:44<cef>dunno how well the sound bit works.
02:45<micrex22>I'm just going to try the regular install option
02:45<micrex22>now that I know where it is
02:47<cef>grub plays 2 quick notes on the speaker when the menu is up.
02:47<cef>ie: so you can figure out you're at a menu if you can't see it (eg: blind)
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02:47<micrex22>cef: bingo I get display now after choosing install
02:47<cef>Woohoo!
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02:48<cef>So your screen obviously doesn't seem to like 800x600
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02:48<micrex22>cef: actually I tried different monitors
02:48<micrex22>I am still convinced it's a GPU issue
02:48<micrex22>I bet my onboard matrox would handle it fine
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02:49<cef>micrex22: probably the card doesn't like some of the default vga modes.. :/
02:49<micrex22>but I a too lazy to remove my GPU :p
02:49<micrex22>yeah... that would be highly likely
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02:54<micrex22>grawity also apologies if I came about being grouchy
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02:55<micrex22>Windows 7 is no longer viable on baremetal... so making the escape to Linux now
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04:17<kevcampb>does anyone know much additional load docker and the ilk are putting on debian mirrors? or have ideas where I might go to try and find that out?
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06:47<hp_>Elo. WIdzę że tu dużo ludzi
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06:48<hp_>Zna się ktoś na konfiguracji TrackPointa?
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06:53<petn-randall>!pl
06:53<dpkg>Na kanale #debian rozmawiamy po angielsku; jesli chcesz lub wolisz mowic po polsku, wejdz na kanal #debian-pl na irc.freenode.net (Polish speakers please go to #debian-pl on irc.freenode.net). pl is also <perl>.
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09:18<EmleyMoor>Is there a VM platform that can handle audio CDs in the host drive?
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09:37<towo^work>EmleyMoor, qemu, virtualbox, vmware?
09:38<towo^work>they all can do drive passthrough
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09:40<grawity>not all of them
09:40<grawity>some are able to read tracks but not pass through raw commands
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09:46<EmleyMoor>towo^work: Not qemu... it can pass the drive through, yes, but can't support audio CDs when doing so
09:46<Sue>Hi, I want to know what is the link to support Ubuntu? Thanks
09:47<EmleyMoor>Meanwhile, I'm also trying to add the keys for the Skype and Google Chrome repos... can anyone advise on how I should?
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09:49<petn-randall>EmleyMoor: Just follow the upstream documentation on how to include them.
09:50<EmleyMoor>In the case of Skype, I'm finding none
09:50<petn-randall>Not much we can do about it, unfortunately. :/
09:50<EmleyMoor>#... and what I am finding is reporting nothing added
09:52<EmleyMoor>Indeed, ditto chrome
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09:53<EmleyMoor>WARNING: nothing exported | no valid OpenPGP data found.
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09:55<EmleyMoor>Why, on my system, are the provided instructions failing?
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09:55<grove>!ubuntu
09:55<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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09:56<grove>Sue: In the middle of what dpkg just said
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09:59<EmleyMoor>I'm trying this as root: wget -q -O - https://dl.google.com/linux/linux_signing_key.pub | apt-key add - - and getting this: http://paste.debian.net/1015507/
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10:00<EmleyMoor>(I am happy to try with some other data if we need to do that to prove it's my problem rather than theirs{
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10:06<EmleyMoor>(my question: is apt-key add somehow broken for me?)
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10:11<EmleyMoor>?????
10:12<b17>EmleyMoor: I don't use such things as chrome or skype, why you need to apt-key add it?
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10:13<petn-randall>EmleyMoor: Try downloading the key first, maybe that link is giving an error message.
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10:14<EmleyMoor>Never mind what the "it" is - but I'm still struggling with something else that is going to need external sources, to get virtualbox on... and I suspect apt-key add is BROKEN for me
10:14<EmleyMoor>petn-randall: No, already tried. No errors
10:14<EmleyMoor>(apart from the same again when trying to apt-key add, that is)
10:15<b17>I looked up your command and found this https://www.google.com/linuxrepositories/ it says the key needed for first time, the chrome pkg should add the key?
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10:16<EmleyMoor>Never mind should, let's talk actualities - like it hasn't
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10:17<b17>EmleyMoor: maybe apt-key list to a pastebin I don;t know apt-key but some other people will.
10:17<EmleyMoor>b17: Shows only the ones in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d
10:17<petn-randall>EmleyMoor: For starters, that file contains *two* gpg keys.
10:18<petn-randall>EmleyMoor: However, it works fine for me. (apt-key add $file)
10:18<EmleyMoor>petn-randall: The Skype one, which also fails for me, contains one
10:18<EmleyMoor>petn-randall: So, you confirm I have a breakage at my end...
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10:19<EmleyMoor>Unless I have wrong permissions on involved files (which is possible, though not sure why it would have happened), I can't think what it would be
10:19<petn-randall>EmleyMoor: Are you running as root, btw?
10:21<EmleyMoor>As I said at 13:59 UTC, yes
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10:25<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... trusted.gpg was my problem... deleting that has fixed it
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10:29<petn-randall>Then you already had something else in there.
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10:30<EmleyMoor>petn-randall: Indeed, and the permissions on it were hosed. It may be cruft from pre-stretch days
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10:35<b17>EmleyMoor: Thinking about your pregap audio issue, do you think it's possible that newer cdreaders might not be able to read the pregap data correctly?
10:36<EmleyMoor>b17: No. Absolutely not. The pregap is perfectly readable, it's just not fathomable by anything but Windows 95 prior to OSR2
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10:37<b17>EmleyMoor: I still think the best idea is use an old machine, shouldn't be too hard to find.
10:38<EmleyMoor>b17: A friend of mine says she has one and will let me have it soon. I will hovewer need to find my floppy drive and write a copy of the boot disc, as well as a CD with the right release of Windows
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10:38<EmleyMoor>however - always typing that wrong
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10:44<EmleyMoor>How can I "disuse" AMD-V so that virtualbox can use it? Normally use qemu/kvm...
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10:45<cpaelzer>EmleyMoor: unload kvm modules?
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10:46<EmleyMoor>cpaelzer: That's in English, not in computerese... anyway, have found a way to manage as I am for now
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10:50<EmleyMoor>Don't actually need AMD-V for this
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10:52<EmleyMoor>It goes faster than a real computer did anyway
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11:05<bytor>pcmanfm is incredibly SLOW when opening a folder with a lot of files (~1500 files) in it. how to I fix this? (took 40 seconds) bash can do an "ls" in less than a second.
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11:09<dpkg>bytor: wish i knew
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11:16*EmleyMoor is only now truly remembering what a crock Windows 95 was
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11:26<annadane>hey. windows 95 was the s!@#.
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11:29<Snythea>What opensource software can I use to embed subs in mkv videos with fonts, colours and fancy things?
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11:32<BanHammor>Snythea, ffmpeg, and presumably source from .ass subtitles.
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11:33<Snythea>BanHammor, there's an editor for .ass subtitles?
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11:34<BanHammor>Snythea, i'm guessing there is one, but you WILL have to find it yourself.
11:34<EmleyMoor>Windows 95 is especially "plug and pray"
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11:53<EmleyMoor>Well, Virtualbox is of no help. Will have to wait until I can get my hands on an old computer
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12:03<bytor>I can't find nautilus on the debian menu system? which category is it in?
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12:06<buffoon>bytor, I assume It'll be the thumbnails that are slow on dirs with a lot of files. Nautilus may be "Files" in the menu.
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12:10<bytor>buffoon: no. I just tried turning off thumbnails. pcmanfm is still taking almost a whole minute to open the folder. nautilus opens it right up. bang!
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12:14<buffoon>bytor, Ok. That was just my 1st guess.
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12:16<bytor>buffoon: s'ok... i'm quitting pcmanfm. had enough. switching to nautilus for now.
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15:54<didi>How do I build a package from sid on stable?
15:54<Brigo>didi, you can't and you shouldn't.
15:54<didi>:-(
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15:54<Brigo>didi, you need a sid enviroment
15:54<didi>Brigo: I see. Thanks.
15:54<Brigo>you can get one quite easy with containers like lxc.
15:55<blast007>!ssb
15:55<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
15:55<didi>dpkg: deb-src
15:55<dpkg>You can have apt download the <source package> from which a <binary package> was compiled using a "deb-src" line in your <sources.list>. A line like "deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian sid main" does NOT make any binary packages available. Ask me about <source> <package recompile> <ssb>; make sure the "build-essential" package is installed. You might need linux-headers-$(uname -r) package installed.
15:56<Brigo>didi, what are you trying to achive?
15:56<didi>blast007: Thank you. I will play with dpkg on private.
15:56<blast007>(some packages cannot easily be backported, though - and some may not be feasible)
15:56<didi>Brigo: Build SBCL from sid because I suspect I'm hitting a bug in the one from stable.
15:57<blast007>,checkbackport sbcl
15:57<judd>Backporting package sbcl in sid→stretch/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 11).
15:57<didi>:-(
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15:58<blast007>yeah, that one may not be feasible for a backport
15:58<didi>*sigh*
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15:59<Brigo>,checkbackportdebhelper
15:59<Brigo>,checkbackport debhelper
15:59<westpig>hey guys
15:59<judd>Backporting package debhelper in sid→stretch/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: dpkg (>= 1.19.0.5~), dpkg-dev (>= 1.19.0.5~).
15:59<bremner>that's easy to fix though, just change the build depends do 11~
15:59<bremner>s/do/too/
15:59<blast007>bremner: sure, if you also want to compile and use dpkg from sid
15:59<didi>bremner: Hum. Worth a shot.
16:00<didi>Err, maybe not.
16:00<bremner>blast007: why dpkg¿ debhelper is in stretch-backports
16:00<blast007>oh, then it's less invasive :)
16:00<didi>Ok, /me is hopeful again.
16:01<Brigo>didi, https://packages.qa.debian.org/s/sbcl.html
16:01<didi>Brigo: Thanks.
16:01<Brigo>didi, np, good luck
16:02<didi>No sword? It might be dangerous to go alone.
16:03*didi is installing debhelper from backports
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16:17<didi>Hum. `apt-get -b source sbcl' downloads the stable version of SBCL, not sid's.
16:18<didi>When I try `apt-get -t sid -b sbcl' I get "E: The value 'sid' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources"
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16:32<didi>How do I download a source package from sid instead of stable, which my current system is on?
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16:34<didi>And the build of the stable package failed: "dpkg-buildpackage: error: debian/rules build gave error exit status 2"
16:34<didi>Blegh.
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16:40<DNS[m]>apt-get source --download-only PACKAGE/sid
16:40<didi>DNS[m]: Thank you.
16:43<didi>Still the stable version. I suspect now there is something wrong with SBCL's Debian's repository. Didn't Debian change something about its development recently? Sid's version of SBCL should be 1.4.5 but I'm getting "Selected version '2:1.3.14-2' (sid) for sbcl"
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16:44<didi>Something about salsa and gitlab IIRC.
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16:48<bremner>selected with what?
16:50<DNS>didi: you need ofc to add sid to your sources.list too
16:51<didi>bremner: With `apt-get source --download-only sbcl/sid'.
16:51<didi>DNS: Sorry, ofc?
16:51<DNS>ofc=of course
16:51<didi>oic
16:51<didi>:-)
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16:52<didi>DNS: I did. I'm using the tor+http transport. Might it be causing some problem?
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16:55<didi>bremner: Here is the whole interaction https://paste.debian.net/hidden/031c554d
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16:58<DNS>did you need add the sid repo in sources.list as deb-src
16:58<DNS>and then do: apt update
16:59<DNS>-did
16:59<didi>I did both of these things.
16:59<DNS>hm then the repo maybe is not up to date?
16:59<didi>Oh, yes?
17:00<didi>I dunno. I barely understand what I'm doing :-).
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17:01<DNS>in sid is sblc 2:1.4.5-1
17:01<didi>DNS: Indeed.
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17:10<htxrec>I having problems after a fresh installation with the network, wicd drops sometimes the connection. I installed nm then I had MultipleConnectionManagers, I uninstalled wicd and reboot the pc but without the hoped result. Now, I'm not sure what to do?
17:13<htxrec>therefor I had installed connman
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17:14<htxrec>*sorry before
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17:16<htxrec>I read the, https://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration but I'm more confused then before
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17:17<htxrec>*than
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17:45<htxrec>I search for relevant debian wiki to set up the network manually but I'm not experienced enough but I'm trying....but need to know where begin, it could be so much which I could to false...
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17:50<htxrec>the simplest is to configure the nm again but it wont work, there is any other problem?
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17:53<htxrec>bcz, of the MultipleConnectionManagers, I hit upon connman ...
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17:57<htxrec>nm, seems to be connected with the router but can't access with the net.
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18:04<htxrec>I tried to solve it alone but there are to many things to consideration
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18:07<b17>htxrec: it's okay, it's tough for everybody untl you get the hang of it.
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18:10<b17>things usually get worse by just tryng to install a bunch of stuff
18:10<jhutchins>htxrec: It's both confusing and powerful that in Linux you can see all the components and what they're doing.
18:11<jhutchins>htxrec: Network Manager has the most development behind it at this point, I would use that, and make sure the interfaces you want to manage are not in the interfaces file.
18:11<b17>i practiced on a live cd for about 3 months when i got into linux
18:11<jhutchins>htxrec: Make sure you're getting the drivers loaded for the NIC, and make sure it's not missing firmware.
18:11<jhutchins>!firmware
18:11<dpkg>Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/Firmware
18:12<jhutchins>htxrec: dmesg | grep firmware
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18:16<htxrec>I've made with help a net-installation, it had worked but....
18:16<htxrec>but I'm not good with wicd, I prefer the NM...
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18:40<super_koza>Hi there! I have installed Nvidia drivers and Cuda compiler through Debian repos.
18:40<super_koza>This got me nvcc 8, which doesn't play nicely with gcc 6.
18:40<super_koza>I have read that nvcc 9 should work with gcc 6. How can I upgrade?
18:42<somiaj>,v nvidia-cuda-toolkit
18:42<judd>Package: nvidia-cuda-toolkit on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 4.2.9-2; wheezy-backports/non-free: 5.5.22-6~bpo70+2; jessie/non-free: 6.0.37-5; jessie-backports/non-free: 7.5.18-4~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 8.0.44-4; buster/non-free: 9.1.85-3; sid/non-free: 9.1.85-3
18:42<somiaj>super_koza: not easily, seems the tool kit has not been backported. You could try to backport it yourself (/msg dpkg ssb), but unsure how much work this will be.
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18:43<somiaj>I see newer version of the nvidia driver in stretch-backports, but not the cuda version, which looks to be 8 in stretch.
18:43<somiaj>I mean tools
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18:44<super_koza>Damn...
18:45<super_koza>Should I just downgrade gcc to version 5.3?
18:45<somiaj>I'm not sure the best way to do that in stretch, seems only gcc6 is available.
18:46<mdx0>no need to be named htxrec
18:46<somiaj>super_koza: yea, Unsure on how to do that in stretch. You could backport the tools from buster and see if that works, you could also try buster (but then you loose the stablity and secirty of stretch)
18:47<super_koza>Damn, Debian is giving me a really hard time lately...
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18:48<somiaj>maybe someone else who has experience with cuda can help give pointers on what worked for them. Did you check any bug reports, I'm surprised the package is in stable but isn't working, or is it you just have an odd use case running into boundary issues that are just fixed with newer versions?
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18:49<mdx0>still having problems with network
18:49<libomsai[m]>super_koza: There's no reason you can't also install gcc 6 on your system. You could compile and install it with a PREFIX somewhere in your home directory for example or under `/opt` and tell nvidia to use gcc from there.
18:50<FluffyFoxeh>What do I need to install to get the basic default local mail server?
18:51<FluffyFoxeh>exim maybe? I thought there was a task-mail-server or something though
18:52<libomsai[m]>super_koza: You could also compile and install gcc and it's dependencies using something like spack: https://github.com/spack/spack
18:52<super_koza>libomsai[m]: you mean gcc 5?
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18:52<somiaj>super_koza: yea, maybe installing gcc5 from jessie could work, or building your own gcc5, tyring to find info on the most recent version of gcc that nvcc supports.
18:52<annadane>can you really just put gcc in /opt like that?
18:52<annadane>i guess so
18:53<somiaj>the only bug I found is vcc9 only support gcc6, but gcc6 is being removed from buster, so wonder if it will make it into buster or not. nvidia's tools are just to far behind even for debina it seems.
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18:53<libomsai[m]>super_koza: Pick whichever version you want ;) https://github.com/spack/spack/blob/develop/var/spack/repos/builtin/packages/gcc/package.py#L44
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18:54<somiaj>you could also probably compile or install the gcc5 package from jessie in stretch, gcc use to be able to have multple versions installed in debian, but their versions are changing much faster now it seems
18:55<somiaj>I do recall having gcc-4.7, 4.8, 4.9 and 5.0 installed on one of my machines at one time.
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18:55<somiaj>but it does look like you'll either have to install a differnet version of gcc or the toolkit, which isn't already done for you in stretch.
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18:57<annadane> /opt or your home directory or /usr/share/applications, i guess
18:58<annadane>er, not the latter
18:58<annadane>./local/share, i mean
18:58<annadane>anyway, not sure, never done it
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19:01<annadane>god damn it. i MEANT .local/share.
19:01<annadane>it must be pointed out this is a *guess*, i have no idea how one actually uses another version of gcc in stablr
19:01<annadane>stable*
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19:10<somiaj>annadane: I don't think .local/share is a place to install full software, it could, but I see more user configuration stuff get put there
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19:10<somiaj>I would just do something like $HOME/gccfoo, or $HOME/otp, $HOME/foo/gcc5 or something
19:11<annadane>i'm just surprised you can even do that at all, i assumed it was fixed
19:11<mdx0>okay, I set up the network manually without the NM, maybe I'll find luck
19:12<somiaj>thought what was fixed, and I think you meant '/usr/local/ vs /usr/share, /usr/share/applications is where .deb packages put application data
19:12<annadane>thought you were essentially limited to one gcc version
19:13<annadane>i mean yeah, there's symlinks
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19:14<somiaj>gcc has been a symlink for a long time
19:14<somiaj>ls -- /usr/bin/gcc -> gcc-6
19:15<somiaj>So if multiple versions can be installed just depends on the file names mostly, and I belive gcc is nice about this and nicely ensures that the file names for gcc-5 do not conflict with gcc-6, so what matters is the link or binary you run.
19:16<somiaj>it seems jessie has both gcc-4.8 and gcc-4.9 in its repos for example
19:16<somiaj>though the versioning of gcc changed with 5, (as 8 is now around)
19:17<annadane>yeah ok, makes sense
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