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#debian IRC Logs for 2018-03-22

---Logopened Thu Mar 22 00:00:57 2018
00:04-!-kini [~kini@li408-94.members.linode.com] has joined #debian
00:04-!-kini is "Keshav Kini -- http://twitter.com/ffee_machine" on #debian-gnome #debian-next #debian-ctte @#debian-japanese #debian-pdx #debian-science #debian-boot @#aptitude #debian-kde #debian-haskell #debian-apt #debian #debian-live #debian-offtopic
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00:12-!-awal1 is "realname" on #debian-next #debian
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00:17-!-blaztek is "blaztek" on #python #debian
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00:28-!-quentusrex is "William King" on #debian
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00:32-!-sahithi-ihtihas is "Sahithi Yarlagadda" on #debian-outreach #debian #freedombox
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00:34-!-blaztek is "blaztek" on #python #debian
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00:36-!-quentusrex is "William King" on #debian
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00:38-!-bestucan is "can" on #debian-zh #debian
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00:44-!-awal1 is "realname" on #debian #debian-next
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00:50-!-nowhere_man is "Pierre Thierry" on #concatenative #emacs #git #erights #lisp #debian-kde #debian
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00:52-!-NomadJim_ is "Nomad" on #debian #linode
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00:55-!-dpalacio is "david" on #debian-kde #debian
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00:59-!-schoppenhauer is "css" on #debian #debian-a11y #brltty
01:00-!-kathenas [~kathenas@host-92-4-179-55.as43234.net] has joined #debian
01:00-!-kathenas is "Phil Wyett" on #debian #debian-boot #debian-gnome #debian-reproducible #debian-offtopic #debian-derivatives #debian-live #debian-next
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01:04-!-dboehmer_ is "Daniel B\xF6hmer,,," on #debian
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01:10-!-awal1 is "realname" on #debian #debian-next
01:10-!-JanC_ is now known as JanC
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01:14-!-epiflux is "epiflux" on #Qubes_OS #guardianproject #privacytools.io #debian-offtopic #debian #tor-offtopic #tor-project #tor
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01:15-!-xpstech is "realname" on #debian
01:16<xpstech>hi
01:16<xpstech>i m here
01:16<xpstech>MX
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01:23-!-Krakakanok is "Yippee-ki-yay, motherfucker" on #debian-next #debian-es #debian
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01:41-!-gsimmons is "Geoff Simmons" on #debian-next #debian-kbsd #debianppc #debian
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01:49-!-pavlushka is "pavlushka" on #linode #debian #oftc
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01:54-!-mtj is "mtj" on #koha #kohasecurity #debian #calyx-lobby #calyx #debian-perl
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01:54-!-hybridwipe is "realname" on #mingw-w64 #llvmlinux #qemu #msys2-ci #msys2 #debian-next #debian #debian-ruby
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01:59-!-sahithi-ihtihas is "Sahithi Yarlagadda" on #debian #freedombox #debian-outreach
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02:06-!-Darcidride_ is "Quentin" on #ceph #debian #debian-boot #debian-gnome #debian-next #gcc #observium #osm #ovirt #qemu #tor #tor-project #virt
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02:14-!-Q-Master^Work is "Vladimir Berezenko" on #debianppc #debian #debian-next
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02:15-!-gtristan_ is "Tristan Van Berkom" on #kernelnewbies #qemu #debian #ninja-build #debian-next #reproducible-builds
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02:16-!-blaztek is "blaztek" on #python #debian
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02:33-!-sahithi-ihtihas is "Sahithi Yarlagadda" on #freedombox #debian-outreach #debian
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02:45-!-kapitalist is "realname" on #kernelnewbies #debian-offtopic #debian
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02:47-!-Eljotto is "realname" on #debian-next #debian
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02:52-!-tomg is "*Unknown*" on #debian #debian-next @#debian-support #debian-offtopic @#initfreedom
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02:53-!-Azathoth is "Azathoth" on #debian
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02:55-!-chele is "chele" on #debian-next #debian
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02:56-!-gscscnd is "Grzegorz Szymaszek" on #debian #osm-pl #josm #debian-desktop #osm-dev #debian-gnome #debian-boot #osm
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02:59-!-jucaroba is "Ju Ca Ro Ba,,," on #debian-qt-notifications #freedombox #debian #debian-multimedia #debian-til #debian-kde #packaging
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03:11-!-NomadJim_ is "Nomad" on #debian #linode
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03:17-!-ol is "Ol" on #debian
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03:24-!-Azathoth is "Azathoth" on #debian
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03:25-!-blaztek is "blaztek" on #python #debian
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03:41-!-lids is "lids" on #debian #bash-completion #debian-community #debian-mozilla #debian-science @#oab @+#tinycore-lab #debian-astro #debian-edu #cryptoparty #debian-i3
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03:46-!-bolt is "-" on #suckless #qemu #oftc #sd #debian #debian-next #virt #awesome
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03:50-!-fred`` is "fred meissner" on #debian-next #debian #ck #ceph #qemu #kvm #bitrig
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04:01-!-skitt is "Stephen Kitt" on #debian
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04:02-!-iceyes is "realname" on #debian
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04:02<iceyes>bonjour à vous
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04:02-!-namix is "Andreas Beck" on #slackware #debian-offtopic #debian
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04:03-!-disposable2 is "disposable2" on @#linux-ha #ovirt #ceph #debian
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04:03-!-apo is "Markus Koschany" on #debian-games #debian #debian-mobile #debian-lts #debian-java
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04:05-!-dboles is "dboles" on #debian #debian-next #debian-gnome
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04:12-!-ansel is "Andreas Seltenreich" on #debian-ha #debian
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04:16-!-ilmaisin_ is "Iiro Laiho" on #debian
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04:28-!-supaman is "Ólafur Jens Sigurðsson" on #debian-science #debian-next #debian
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04:35-!-epiflux is "epiflux" on #Qubes_OS #guardianproject #privacytools.io #debian-offtopic #debian #tor-offtopic #tor-project #tor
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04:39-!-francesco is now known as Guest1185
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04:43-!-debalance is "Philipp Huebner" on #debian-kde #debian #debian-til #debian-devel-changes
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06:10<saka>Hi there
06:10<saka>I'm having some problems while installing openvpn for network-manager via apt. Terminal output is here: https://pastebin.com/dGKArrAg Could someone help me? Thanks!
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06:12<saka>Also, apparently there isn't any similar issue reported in the bugtracker.
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06:34<petn-randall>!bat
06:34<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
06:34<petn-randall>saka: Can you provide all of the info above into a single paste?
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06:35<goonieb>hello there, just installed a pci nvm drive so wanted to switch my root partition to it. did copy it, then replaced it in fstab (on old and new partition, yet after update-grub I still have my old partition specified as root, why?
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06:35<goonieb>also ran update-grub of course
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06:46<saka>petn-randall, updated with all the required info here http://paste.debian.net/1015985/
06:48<petn-randall>saka: Mixing stable and sid has never been supported. I recommend you reinstall a clean stable.
06:48<petn-randall>!frankendebian
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06:48<dpkg>When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
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08:14<peter1138>Hmm, fresh install of debian 9.4, monodevelop crashes trying to load a solution
08:14<peter1138>"free(): invalid pointer"
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08:17<peter1138>Got it loaded by calling monodevelop with the solution on the command line :S
08:17<peter1138>asp.net addin missing :(
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10:15<xorian>I'm still trying to figure out this systemd boot problem. Looking through the output of 'journalctl -xb', it seems that the timeouts are all waiting for device nodes but udev (systemd-udevd.service) isn't started until *after* those timeouts.
10:16<xorian>I believe that it starts udev as preparation for entering emergency mode.
10:16<xorian>Without udev starting, it makes sense that the device nodes would not appear.
10:17<xorian>So the question is, why wasn't udev started earlier? Why was systemd waiting on device nodes before starting udev?
10:17<grawity>yes – the device nodes do appear, but since there's no udev to tag and reemit uevents for systemd, it doesn't mark the .device units as active
10:17<grawity>it's normal that systemd will try to wait for everything that's a dependency as soon as it starts
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10:18<grawity>it's just not supposed to take *that* long
10:19<xorian>grawity: It still seems like an ordering issue. systemd times out waiting for .device units which won't happen until udev starts, but it doesn't start udev until after the .device units timeout and it's going to emergency mode.
10:20<xorian>Unless I'm misunderstanding, which is entirely possible.
10:20<grawity>but why do you think the .device units are required for udev's startup?
10:20<xorian>I honestly just want to get this system to be able to boot again without be having to be present at its console to enter the root password and type "systemctl default".
10:21<grawity>my apologies that I cannot wave a magic wand and make that happen
10:21<xorian>grawity: I don't think that the .device nodes are required for udev's startup, but the timing of events that I see in the journal is that udev is not started until after the .device nodes timeout.
10:22<grawity>what other services are started around that time? can you pastebin `systemd-analyze plot` and/or `systemctl list-dependencies default.target`?
10:22<xorian>grawity: http://vanguard.xorian.net/~ken/systemd-tmp/systemd-analyze-plot.svg
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10:27<xorian>grawity: http://vanguard.xorian.net/~ken/systemd-tmp/systemctl-list-dependencies-default.target.txt
10:27<wh>hi
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10:34<xorian>grawity: Neither the device target for the root partition (dev-sda2.device) nor the device targets which are timing out seem to be in tha output of "systemctl list-dependencies default.target".
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10:35<grawity>it seems to skip all implied dependencies and ordering
10:35<grawity>I guess I should've asked for --after, though, but it probably won't show more
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10:44<xorian>grawity: The main difference seems to be the inclusion of swap devices in the list: http://vanguard.xorian.net/~ken/systemd-tmp/systemctl-list-dependencies--after-default.target.txt
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10:51<_charles>hey guys, does anyone know how to autostart a program in a tty? i'm essentially trying to setup a headless home server. i already have debian configured to autologin to a tty, but now i just need to actually launch my server program. thanks in advance
10:52<grawity>start it from ~/.profile or equivalent
10:52<grawity>be sure to check which tty it's running in
10:52<grawity>easy way to accidentally break ssh and all logins
10:53<_charles>hey grawity, thanks for the speedy answer. why would it break? it's autostarting into tty1, is that bad?
10:54<grawity>if you forgot to add the check in .profile, you'd get the program every time you logged in
10:54<grawity>if [ "$(tty)" = /dev/tty1 ]; then cmatrix; fi
10:54<_charles>oh, thank you i get it now
10:55<_charles>i was about to say that was what i wanted, but now i understand, if i need to get into another tty i'll start another instance. thanks :)
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11:03<tarzeau>_charles: either use cron or screen -dmS ?
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11:10<Guest1197>how can i download directories (recursiv) with the ftp command . get -r doesnt work
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11:14<tarzeau>Guest1197: lftp mirror -r or -R can easily do it
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11:26<gunnu>hey
11:26<demo_>hey
11:27<GyrosGeier>in the good old days, I'd have suggested _charles add his program to the inittab
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11:27<GyrosGeier>not sure how you do that with systemd
11:28<sunderland93>Hello. I have unrecoverable error in dpkg, with last updates https://pastebin.com/29BdmBMf
11:28<bremner>!localized
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11:29<GyrosGeier>that is saner and less hacky than pretending that someone logged in, then special-casing logins on a particular tty
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11:30<bremner>sunderland93: can you try again with LANG=C? most of us can't read Russian (or Bulgarian, or...)
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11:31<annadane>!localized errors
11:31<dpkg>To provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install".
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11:31<sunderland93>https://pastebin.com/faxCJMXN
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11:33<bremner>sunderland93: what architecture and version of that package are you trying to install?
11:34<bremner>I have 1:2.6.7-2 amd64 installed here
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11:36<sunderland93>bremner: 1:2.6.7-2 amd64
11:37<bremner>sounds like the archive is corrupted.
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11:38<bremner>try "apt clean", then again (this will delete all cached .debs)
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11:41<sunderland93>bremner: same error
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11:47<user_>Hi guys, can anyone help me? I installed docker-engine through apt-get, and aftwerwards anything I did caused a segfault. kernel panick on bootup. Currently running a live-boot, but I tried to restore by chrooting into my normal install, but the chroot will immediately segfault.
11:48<bremner>sunderland93: I don't know, maybe try a different mirror?
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11:49<b17>sunderland93: have a look at /var/lib/dpkg/info/libaudit-common.list and see if anything odd
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11:51<annadane>,v docker-engine
11:51<judd>No package named 'docker-engine' was found in amd64.
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12:01<sunderland93>I change mirror, but nothing changed. /var/lib/dpkg/info/libaudit-common.list contains unreadable string https://pastebin.com/AZNLPzQ1
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12:06<Guest1208>Hey guys, still the same problem. Does anyone know how to stop docker from being loaded by the kernel on boot? It seems the load of the docker0 interface segfaults my kernel. Running from live-boot for now.
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12:25<grawity>there's no docker module; docker0 is a plain bridge
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12:27<Guest1208>grawity: Do you know where the loading of that bridge is controlled? Once it's loaded my kernel panics.
12:28<grawity>probably done by some-or-other docker service
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12:28<Guest1208>Hmm.. I think I got all of those now. I'll try a reboot.
12:28<grawity>I don't know the service name, but you can start with the 'emergency' or 'modprobe.blacklist=bridge' kernel options
12:28<Guest1208>Thx
12:28<grawity>look through enabled services in /etc/systemd/system/*.wants/
12:28<grawity>remove the symlinks
12:28<Guest1208>Yeah, I got all those just now
12:29<Guest1208>Thanks for the help. Rebooting.
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12:33<frzn>does anybody know something about the user nobody spawning a systemd process, which forks an (sd-pam) process? Saw this behaviour 2 times in the last few days. But I am not sure what triggers this.
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12:34<dosierujo>Package libmysqlclient-dev has no installation candidate makes OpenStack installation fail on Debian
12:34<dosierujo>Is there any workaround?
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12:36<frzn>@dosierujo you could try using the packacke "default-libmysqlclient-dev" (atleat thats what I would do)
12:37<bremner>dosierujo: are you trying to install openstack from debian, or from upstream?
12:38<dosierujo>Using devstack
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12:39<bremner>dunno what that is, but it sounds like not debian
12:40<dosierujo>frzn, you mean install it and execute ./stack.sh again, right?
12:41<dosierujo>OK, running again. I hope I don't get that error this time
12:42<dosierujo>Same error again.
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13:01<sunderland93>I solved my issue by removing /var/lib/dpkg/info/libaudit-common.list and reinstall libaudit-common
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13:22<inkbottle>For some times now, I've been unable to remove old ocaml-doc 3.11 package with aptitude: http://paste.debian.net/1016058/
13:23<inkbottle>Probably a bug in the package; what could be a workaround?
13:23<bremner>inkbottle: edit the postrm
13:23<inkbottle>bremner: Nice, how would I do that?
13:23<bremner>in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ocaml-doc.postrm
13:23<inkbottle>ok
13:23<bremner>comment out the failing command
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13:32<inkbottle>bremner: [sorry for the delay] I've got a prerm and a postinst; I suppose I better look the prerm file?
13:32<bremner>inkbottle: I think so
13:32<inkbottle>ok
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13:34<GyrosGeier>if there is a newer version of the package, and the old prerm fails, you can also update to the new versions first
13:34<GyrosGeier>dpkg will run the old prerm, see that it fails, and run the new prerm instead
13:34<dpkg>GyrosGeier: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request
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13:43<duncan>There is a package that once was in unstable, but was then removed. Is there an archive of the source tarballs used by Debian for a given package?
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13:43<inkbottle>GyrosGeier: upgrade doesn't work neither; anyway the solution involving the editing seems nice
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13:44<inkbottle>https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=773062 -> "But the version of install-info included in pkg-1,6,x requires an additional parameter DIR-FILE"
13:44<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/773062 in dpkg (closed): «dpkg fails to remove old packages because install-info needs dir file»; severity: important; opened: 2014-12-13; last modified: 2015-03-26.
13:44<inkbottle>what would be the correct command line? I'm not sure yet
13:44<annadane>!snapshots
13:44<dpkg>http://snapshot.debian.org/ is an archive of almost all Debian packages uploaded since 2005, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way non-free. This service replaces snapshot.debian.net. http://www.debian.org/News/2010/20100412
13:44<annadane>duncan, ^
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13:50<inkbottle>bremner: Any idea how this line: install-info --quiet --remove /usr/share/info/ocaml.info.gz should be fixed
13:50<inkbottle>the documentation doesn't seem to contradict this line
13:50<inkbottle>but bug 773062 says a DIR is needed
13:51<inkbottle>can't see exactly where or how
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14:01<inkbottle>I think the command "install-info" hasn't been used in "prerm" files for decades, because there are no examples to be found
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14:06<duncan>Thank you, annadane.
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14:07<inkbottle>bremner: I changed the command to "echo hello"; and I don't know how the info files have been removed anyway; so ... it worked
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14:08<inkbottle>bremner: tx for the help, it is the first time I meddle with that sort of files
14:08<bremner>yeah, maintainer scripts are a PITA
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14:20<inkbottle>sysvinit 2.88dsf-59 is marked as obsolete; what are the steps to be taken to ensure a "safe" removal of this package?
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14:24<magyar>hi, need help with cryptsetup, how can I have only one password for multiple mounts?
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14:46<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>My system has had some strange behaviors. Most recent is Firefox ESR opened a couple new windows when I clicked some links.
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14:53<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>Thinking about purchasing a complete install image as that may be the only way I can be sure my system is secure. Anyone know where I can get a Debian 9 image complete with nonfree repos and added firmware?
14:53<duncan>Why are you assuming some kind of security issue, what evidence do you have for this>
14:54<duncan>Some websites will open new windows depending on certain conditions.
14:55<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>I can't run freshclam says the directory is locked
14:55<duncan>Freshclam is largely meaningless, especially on a live system
14:55<duncan>ClamAV*
14:56<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>I disabled cups but I still get notifications that a new printer was added
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14:56<duncan>I still don't understand how this is evidence of system compromise
14:56<duncan>Did you see anything in system logs, for instance?
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15:00<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>firefox esr seems to have this k2niy0ga.default directory that I can't find anything about
15:00<duncan>That's normal
15:00<duncan>It's for addons etc
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15:03<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>Well my bank information has never been hacked so maybe I am fine. Trying to upgrade to Firefox standard but I don't know how to make a menu icon for it.
15:05<duncan>I do not understand what the point of contention is here
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15:07<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>Here's what I'm working with: https://paste.debian.net/1016094/
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15:11<GyrosGeier>inkbottle, yes, if the upgraded package doesn't contain a fixed script, the upgrade will fail
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15:16<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>duncan what do you use for a vpn?
15:17<duncan>Why are you asking me this
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15:17<duncan>Commerical VPNs are scams anyway
15:18<annadane>not _all_ commercial VPNs...
15:18<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>I am using private internet access the new version 77 doesn't seem to install on Debian tho
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15:21<duncan>https://gist.github.com/joepie91/5a9909939e6ce7d09e29
15:21<duncan>(I appreciate this is offtopic...)
15:25<annadane>thanks for the link, though
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16:21<jproulx>trying to PXE netboot Buster & getting mismatch between PXE kernel and modules on mirror during install.
16:21<jproulx>presumably this is because it's testing and won't always work but wanted to double check if it's my setup or not and if I should have any expectation of it maybe working at this point in release cycle or not.
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16:37<jhutchins_wk>jproulx: Check in debian-next - they have better testing-specific knowledge there.
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16:38<jproulx>jhutchins_wk: ack thanks
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16:39<jhutchins_wk>jproulx: Also:
16:39<jhutchins_wk>!mirror status
16:39<dpkg>Debian mirrors have timestamp files we use to determine how recently they have been updated. Here are some statistics the mirror maintainers provide: http://mirror.debian.org/status.html and http://ftp.de.debian.org/dmc/today/ Ask me about <mirrors>. #debian-mirrors on irc.oftc.net.
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16:46<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>For some reason tap to click doesn't work anymore at the login screen
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16:55<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>Kinda strange don't really know why. Gnome 3 is my DE
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17:02<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>Can anyone explain this?
17:05<b17>ElToro-Y-ElCuernos: tapping is disabled by default, you can enable with a small snippet for libinput.
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17:09<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>Yeah I did that. Took me a while to figure out too. But it is just some obscure option that you enable within the GUI. This is only on the login screen.
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17:11<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>Also sometimes, most of the time really, I can't access debian.wiki.org. Says it is forbidden.
17:11<b17>the default is no taping, so the gui setting doesn;t work at the login screen.
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17:12<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>It has worked prior though
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17:12<b17>okay, well i didn't break it.
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17:13<b17>i have always had to enable tapping with a 70-synaptics or 40-touchpad at display manager login screens. I dont use gnome though.
17:14<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>DE?
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17:16<b17>https://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/libinput/tapping/
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17:20<computing-land>hi
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17:20<computing-land>is there some packaged tool to be able to rw-mount dynamic vmdk files?
17:20<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>Like I said it was easy for me to enable. I already had the right dependency.
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17:22<computing-land>(vmdkmount command from stretch's libvmdk-utils tells me “unable to open source file”)
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17:26<keantoken>Wine can't find libgl.so.1 even though I have all the GL stuff installed.
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17:31<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>Is it possible to browse everything listed in / in the file browser?
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17:33<annadane>keantoken, you're likely to find more of an answer on a wine specific channel
17:33<annadane>!wine
17:33<dpkg>somebody said wine was ine (Wine Is Not an Emulator) is an application intended to allow execution of Microsoft Windows programs on Unix-like operating systems. Application compatibility database: http://appdb.winehq.org/ .https://wiki.debian.org/Wine http://wiki.winehq.org/HowTo http://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ #winehq on irc.freenode.net. See <mmap_min_addr> regarding use of Win16 binaries. See also <newer wine>.
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17:34<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>I'm talking every single directory!
17:34<computing-land>which file browser? (for example in nautilus, got to “Computer” place with hidden files viewing enabled in the options
17:35<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>Well cntrl+h only does everything listed in /home
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17:36<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>I am thinking maybe somehow execute nautilus with root privs.
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17:37<annadane>you wouldn't need root privs just to view folders in /
17:37<annadane>(unless gnome really is that stupid)
17:37<computing-land>nope, you can view lots of stuff, only write is prohibited most of the time
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17:38<jc>you'd be better off just installing mc and browsing that way.
17:38<annadane>from what i've seen only /root is off limits to view
17:38<annadane>though you can see the /root folder, but not the contents
17:38<computing-land>if you're under stretch with nautilus
17:38<computing-land>just go to “other locations”
17:39<computing-land>there's the “Computer” place in it
17:39<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>What I am trying to do is figure out why my shortcut I added to /usr/share/applications doesn't work.
17:39<tw3k_>jc: yeah, or install busybox in a chroot
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17:39<annadane>well, you can view files from the terminal then
17:39<annadane>ls /usr/share/applications
17:40<annadane>how did you add it?
17:40<annadane>is it a symlink?
17:40<computing-land>ls -l /usr/share/applications
17:40<annadane>right
17:40<computing-land>should be enoguh to show you the link target
17:40<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>Yeah I was using gedit which is kinda cumbersome. I can just cat the files and open new windows
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17:41<annadane>embrace the CLI :P
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17:41<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>How do you view / in Nautilus? I'm sorry I am not much of a Linux poweruser:)
17:41<computing-land>alias l='ls --all --color -l -p --time-style="+%Y%m%d-%H%M%S%-:::z"'
17:41<computing-land>^^
17:42<computing-land>got to "other places" then "computer"
17:42<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>No it is a hardlink
17:42<computing-land>oh
17:43<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>Oh gee... it really is that simple
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17:44<computing-land>everything that is not home folders or bookmarks
17:44<computing-land>is now stored under "other locations"
17:44<computing-land>since debian stretch I think
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17:49<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>https://paste.debian.net/1016137/
17:49<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>Doesn't want to work for some reason :(
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17:57<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>Anybody got any suggestions?
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18:09<keantoken>Installing libgl1:i386 does not put libgl.so.1 in the i386 folder like it should.
18:10<keantoken>This seems to be causing my WINE opengl not to work.
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18:14<keantoken>ElToro-Y-ElCuernos, /home/user is not the actual location of firefox is it?
18:14<keantoken>My home folder would be /home/keantoken
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18:15<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>Yeah, forgive me for not using my actual uname
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18:17<keantoken>Maybe it's %u instead of %U?
18:17<keantoken>Does the exec command work in a terminal?
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18:19<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>Yep it works
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18:20<keantoken>I would find the application responsible for opening .desktop files and run it in the terminal on your .desktop file.
18:21<keantoken>Might give you the error.
18:23<keantoken>I think it would be
18:24<keantoken>xdg-open firefox.desktop
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19:03<annadane>!es
19:03<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
19:04<annadane>well never mind then
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19:04<annadane>swear to god people have to stop putting #debian as the default channel for everything
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19:08<computing-land>every time I connect to IRC default server/channel
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19:08<computing-land>I wonder why debian is the default one ^^
19:08<computing-land>like, who decided that?
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20:35<beast>in /etc/apt/sources.list does the name 'stretch' represent 'stable' ?
20:35<annadane>yes
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20:36<zak>yall cuckin?
20:36<beast>so if I was to upgrade to testing i'd change all the 'stretch' names to 'testing' ? for deb http://mirrors.syringanetworks.net/debian/ testing-updates main contrib non-free
20:36<annadane>the difference with using a code name instead of a branch name is that when a new stable comes along with a new code name the sources list will still track the old code name so you don't get unpleasant surprises
20:36<annadane>thus it's better not to use "stable" in your sources
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20:37<beast>annadane: yeah I don't in my sources.list
20:37<annadane>yeah, but keep in mind testing can break, and you can't downgrade to stable later
20:37<annadane>and again, if you use "testing" that means you will always track testing
20:37<beast>I was just reading on it really, I was thinking about it but probably won't. I thought I read on debian.org somewhere that it was possible to downgrade back to stable.
20:38<annadane>if you use "buster", which is current testing, you'll follow it up to it becoming stable and then continue using buster stable
20:38<beast>yeah I probably won't on this machine
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21:44<annadane>!es
21:44<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
21:44<annadane>whoops, 43 minutes. sorry.
21:44<annadane>just saw that now :/
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22:36<charles>hola
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22:38<annadane>!es
22:38<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
22:38<annadane>god damn it. less than 2 minutes.
22:38<annadane>i should start mouse hovering them _first_...
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23:11<razer>I want to install firefox 59 or 60, but I'm only seeing firefox 52 in the repository even though I'm running Testing.
23:12<annadane>,v firefox
23:12<judd>Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 59.0.1-1
23:12<annadane>the instructions in wiki.debian.org/Firefox will still apply to you
23:13<razer>You can even see that debian has package for firefox 59 at least: https://packages.debian.org/sid/amd64/firefox/download
23:15<razer>Ok, interesting. It says to download the tar file from mozilla. The tar file looks like the same version as the .deb file from the debian package website.
23:15<razer>But the wiki does not suggest that. Though, you probably could if you want the stable, and not beta or nightly.
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23:16<razer>annadane, thanks
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23:16<annadane>basically a lot of people stick it in /opt though you can do it per user instead of system wide, per those instructions
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23:18<razer>Would using the .deb be systemwide?
23:19<annadane>don't use a .deb
23:19<annadane>installing .deb files on debian from the internet is generally a bad idea
23:19<razer>No, I mean the .deb from debian.org
23:19<razer>https://packages.debian.org/sid/firefox
23:20<annadane>don't mix stable and testing/sid, either
23:20<annadane>oh, testing, sorry
23:20<razer>Oh yeah, I just saw that. It does say sid. I'm using testing.
23:20<annadane>(the confusion stems from the fact that #debian is generally for debian stable)
23:20<annadane>i think that's generally not a good idea, either
23:21<awal1>razer, you may want https://mozilla.debian.net/
23:21<razer>Ok, why do you think debian testing doesn't have Firefox integrated with APT?
23:22<annadane>https://qa.debian.org/excuses.php?package=firefox
23:22<razer>annadane, oh my, what does that mean?
23:23<razer>It means firefox does not pass qa?
23:23<annadane>i mean yes i suppose you can install firefox from sid, many people do run mixed testing/sid systems
23:23<annadane>it's likely a bit safer to follow the wiki instructions though
23:23<annadane>yeah, basically that's what it means
23:23<awal1>things have changed in https://mozilla.debian.net/, no longer like a few years ago
23:24<razer>Firefox testing only has firefox 52. Shouldn't testing only be like 10 days behind sid?
23:24<annadane>right, assuming there's no issues; it's not guaranteed
23:24<awal1>I guess that is bcoz of the fact that debian now only uses -esr for stable
23:24<razer>So, testing is considered part of stable?
23:24<annadane>https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.release-lifecycle.html#id-1.4.9.13
23:25<awal1>testing is the laboratory of next stable
23:25<annadane>https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.release-lifecycle.html for more general info. tl;dr: no
23:25<razer>Maybe I should consider upgrading to sid for my desktop.
23:25<annadane>maybe. be cautious, keep backups, etc
23:25<awal1>dpkg: install unstable
23:25<dpkg>If you have to ask, you shouldn't. No, really. #debian does not normally support sid because if you are using sid, then you should be able to support yourself. Often, sid is not installable as it is frequently broken. You must first install "testing" and then "upgrade" to sid. If you don't know how to do this, then you shouldn't be using sid anyway. Ask me about <sid> <sid faq> <why not unstable>.
23:25<annadane>^ well, not exactly.
23:26<annadane>but yeah. sid is bleeding edge, and *can* break
23:26<dvs>and does
23:26<razer>Ok, yeah. I keep going back and forth on that. I don't want to mess with that.
23:26<annadane>and does, though frequently not in catastrophic ways
23:26<razer>I could install the firefox 59 from mozilla in even regular debian stable.
23:26<annadane>fine for desktops, not fine for mission critical stuff
23:27<awal1>razer: if you want unstable (codename Sid) do a minimal stable install ---» testing ---» unstable than install what you want. that is the recommended way
23:27<annadane>and then if you upgrade to sid you spend all your time administering your system
23:27<razer>annadane, yeah, I don't want to be administering my system.
23:27<razer>annadane, do you run Testing or stable on your desktop?
23:27<annadane>stable
23:27<awal1>I rarely spend my time fixing stuff under sid, annadane
23:28<annadane>well, i just meant a lot of upgrades :P but sure, some people on sid update like once a month
23:28<razer>wait, firefox 60 esr is close to release I think. So soon firefox quantum should be in testing.
23:28<awal1>that bcoz I run a wm and I just install stuff i really need
23:28<awal1>I upgrade daily, almost
23:28<annadane>i ran sid for months and it was generally fine but it's ultimately russian roulette and i didn't want to deal with it
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23:29<awal1>:D
23:29<annadane>(even if x doesn't break, program's break in hard to track down ways)
23:29<annadane>*programs
23:29<joshuafewf>这个频道有中国同胞吗?
23:29<annadane>!zh
23:29<dpkg>如果您想要以中文得到 Debian 相關的協助,請加入 irc.debian.org 或 irc.oftc.net 上的 #dot 頻道,連線與加入頻道的方法請參閱 IRC 程式之相關說明,或於網路上搜尋。謝謝您的合作!
23:29<razer>https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Firefox-60-Next-ESR
23:29<razer>"Firefox 60 Is The Next ESR Release"
23:29<awal1>well, I personally almost never have broken pkgs
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23:30<razer>So on 9-may firefox quantum ESR will be released for the first time. Which should put FireFox Quantum in Debian Stable/testing.
23:31<razer>or just testing / not-unstable I should say
23:31<annadane>anyway, if you look at the link i posted for the debian handbook, one of the criteria for inclusion in testing is "successful compilation on all officially supported architectures" and you can see a number of missing builds
23:31<awal1>unstable is the "best" branch for home use if one knows how to deal with it
23:31<annadane>yeah, it's pretty decent. just, having another computer is not a bad idea at all and if you *need it to work*, don't use it
23:31<annadane>"unstable" is stable 98% of the time
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23:32<awal1>yeah
23:32<razer>Well I don't know what I'd have to do to fix it.
23:32<annadane>this is my only pc. i need it to do stuff. :P
23:32<razer>I need another PC to check the distribution email and there would be instructions, or what would happen?
23:32<annadane>hang on i'm still reading your other question i missed :P
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23:33<annadane>yeah, ESR quantum i believe is coming to stable this summer
23:33<annadane>i believe it's supposed to be 59 based
23:33<razer>and by that it will be added to the regular stable as in 9.4 or whatever as well, or just testing?
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23:33<annadane>you know, i don't actually know
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23:33<annadane>it's a bit of a weird case
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23:34<awal1>stable doesn't get new versions
23:34<annadane>this will be an exception
23:34<awal1>not sure about web browser (chromium & firefox)
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23:34<annadane>because esr 52 is due to reach EOL
23:34<joshuafewfsssss> Are there any compatriots from China?
23:34<annadane>joshuafewfsssss, this channel is english speaking - i linked a chinese dpkg factoid above
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23:35<awal1>,v chromium
23:35<judd>Package: chromium on amd64 -- wheezy: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; jessie: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; stretch: 62.0.3202.89-1~deb9u1; buster: 62.0.3202.89-1; stretch-proposed-updates: 63.0.3239.84-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 64.0.3282.119-1~deb9u1; sid: 65.0.3325.146-4
23:35<razer>Oh, are there any instructions to disable compositing in xorg on debian?
23:35<awal1>which DE?
23:35<razer>I couldn't find any and found xorg.conf instructions.
23:36<razer>XFCE and I'm already using the Slim login manager instead of gdm3
23:36<awal1>in xfce settings you can disable compositing
23:36<awal1>I dont remember the exact section
23:36<razer>awall, I already did, but somebody told me to change it in xorg too because a redirect will still be going on.
23:36<annadane>god damn it. of course as soon as i stop using xfce someone has xfce questions :P
23:37<annadane>need to keep a vm around for just such occasions
23:37<razer>what did you switch to from XFCE?
23:37<annadane>mate
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23:37<razer>Oh, that is the only other one I was thinking of switching to from XFCE. Other than say Awsome or something like that.
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23:37<razer>I tried cinnamon and KDE and it was all ugly and slow.
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23:38<awal1>razer, i don't think you need further configs for disable compositing for xfce when already disabled in setings
23:38<razer>Or just bulky UI.
23:38<awal1>annadane, I know you'll end using a wm :P
23:39<razer>Somebody told me I needed to do: Section "Extensions"
23:39<razer> Option "Composite" "Disable"
23:39<razer>EndSection
23:39<jc>mate is decent. nice, sane, stable, easy, light de
23:39<razer>annadane, so why did you switch to mate?
23:39<awal1>razer, that maybe for any graphical environment
23:39<annadane>just a slightly nicer layout than xfce and the way it does things
23:40<razer>awall, it may be but the guys who told me is very knowledgable on Debian.
23:40<razer>I was thinking I want to install Mate and switch back a forth a little.
23:40<razer>All the other DE's in task selector I don't like though.
23:40<awal1>i mean that may mean disable compositing definitely on X
23:40<awal1>google that :P
23:41<annadane>xfce is maybe a *little* bit too minimalistic
23:41<razer>can you disable compositing in MATE?
23:41<annadane>no clue
23:42<annadane>there's a package called compton though, which you may find useful
23:42<razer>oh yes, I was going to install compton to get better compositing.
23:42<annadane>not sure if it allows disabling of it, though
23:42<annadane>i assume most DEs allow a simple option for that
23:42<razer>I don't think I'd want compton if I was going to disable compositing.
23:43<annadane>yeah, i don't use it so i'm not familiar with what it can do
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23:44<razer>One of the reasons I like Firefox is because the bookmarks folders are not all expanded when you open bookmark manager in Chromium.
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23:44<razer>Having hundreds of expanded folders makes it nearly imossible to find something by scrolling.
23:45<jc>razer, control center -> windows -> general tab
23:45<razer>But I think Chromium is better for compatability and performance. Firefox also has live bookmarks, tags and other features.
23:45<razer>jc, what is that? What control center?
23:47<annadane>it's not control center in xfce, it's something else
23:47<jc>razer, or just menu -> system tools (same as control center)
23:47*annadane needs another pc _just_ for VMs...
23:47<jc>oh, i thought we were talking about mate
23:47<annadane>razer's using xfce
23:47<razer>jc, , no but what settings are you talking about? Turning off compositing?
23:48<jc>razer, yes but for mate
23:48<razer>jc, ok, I already turned off at xfce level
23:48<razer>I was trying to turn off at xorg level too
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23:50<awal1>xfce supports compositing by default, extra software not needed for that
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23:59<razer>awal1, yep I know, but peopel say compton does a better job.
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