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00:03<annadane>nauticalnexus, if it's really really important try #debian-ops but they prefer you contact them here, so try invoking them with !ops
00:04<annadane>you have to supply an argument so !ops ping would do it
00:04<nauticalnexus>it's just some guy purposefully breaking the rules
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01:02<steinwayer>hi everyone!! how are you??
01:02<annadane>hi
01:03<steinwayer>i have a question, maybe you guys can help me figure this out , been spending the last few days trying to fix it
01:03<steinwayer>so... i recently got a mid 2012 macbook pro
01:03<steinwayer>and installed on it Debian
01:03<steinwayer>i've been very happy with it so far, except for one small thing
01:04<steinwayer>The Macbook Pro just heats a little bit too much when in Debian
01:04<steinwayer>while it's in OSX it's fine, i have this issue only when i am in DEbian
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01:04<steinwayer>i ran several tests, and here is what i did so far
01:05<steinwayer>First, i installed tlp, thermald and lm-sensors
01:05<steinwayer>then i installed mbpfan as well
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01:05<steinwayer>even tho those things helped a little bit, my Debian is still getting hotter than OSX
01:05<steinwayer>but here is the craziest part.
01:06<steinwayer>Looking at the numbers, the two cores run on average between 58 and 68 degrees, which for this model of i5, should be fine
01:06<steinwayer>what's incredible is that logging the temperatures while using OSX gives me, well, approximately the same results
01:07<steinwayer>but still, while i am using OSX, the mac does not get that hot especially at the bottom of it, like it does with Debian
01:07<steinwayer>do you guys have any suggestioN?
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01:08<steinwayer>anyone?:O
01:09<jm_>steinwayer: it's probably some other component then, not CPU - does it have a separate GPU?
01:09<steinwayer>i was thinking that too, but it does not have a dedicated GPU
01:09<steinwayer>it runs off a Intel HD 4000 as GPU
01:10<steinwayer>and the tests i ve been performing are both for light use on both systems, just some light browing and youtube videos on both
01:10<nauticalnexus>oh
01:10<nauticalnexus>ouch
01:10<jm_>does it have fans?
01:10<nauticalnexus>does the fans spin?
01:10<nauticalnexus>because if not I know the issue
01:10<steinwayer>but still, after a few minutes of use, i can definitely tell that in Debian is hotter
01:10<steinwayer>it does have fans
01:10<nauticalnexus>are the fans spinning, though
01:10<jm_>do you see fan speeds?
01:10<nauticalnexus>also, that one only has 1 fan
01:10<steinwayer>and thanks to mbpfan it kicks in when the temperature of the cpu raises
01:10<nauticalnexus>Yeah there it is
01:11<nauticalnexus>That's a good thing
01:11<nauticalnexus>I'm so glad mbpfan exists tbh
01:11<steinwayer>yeah, it's a great little tool
01:11<steinwayer>and it works very well
01:11<nauticalnexus>But yeah Macs do get.. much hotter under Linux
01:11<nauticalnexus>idk why honestly.
01:11<steinwayer>i even tried tweaking a little bit the configuration file reducing the temperatures when it's supposed to kick in , but again, the temperatures of the CPU are not dramatical
01:12<steinwayer>i don't even think it's CPU related at this point, cause the tests i ran with intel power gadget under OSX show temperatures that are pretty much the same
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01:12<annadane>can you fry an egg on it, is the important question
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01:13<steinwayer>in Idle i get a solid 55-57 degrees , on both, when i fire up chromium, on both, and watch a couple youtube videos, i get up to 65-69, the fan kicks in and the temperature decreases, but on osx, you don't actually notice in real life use any significant increase in temperature in the laptop, while in Debian you can tlel
01:14<jm_>no idea then really, except if fan spins faster in osx
01:14<steinwayer>no actually the fan in OSX seems to be much quieter
01:14<steinwayer>i can feel the fan kicking in Debian much more often than in OSX
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01:16<steinwayer>at first i thought it was something related to the way the kernel manages the frequency of the CPU on linux, maybe keeping it higher for a longer time, but then seeing the temperature resultst on both the systems , it doesn't seemt he case, looks like a more plausible explanation could be the GPU
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01:17<jm_>does that CPU have pkg temp?
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01:17<steinwayer>uhm.. not sure
01:17<steinwayer>how can i verify it?
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01:17<jm_>check sensors output, it would say Core #: and Package id:
01:18<steinwayer>oh ok, just give me 1 minute, rebooting into debian now
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01:20<steinwayer>here i am
01:20<steinwayer>just fired up debian, as soon as it turned on, i could hear the fan kicking in, this is actually another thing, when it boots up, it starts from a higher temperature, over 70 degrees
01:20<steinwayer>(both cpu)
01:21-!-ach [~spooky@ipb218f26b.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
01:21<steinwayer>here is my output for the cpu
01:21<steinwayer>coretemp-isa-0000 Adapter: ISA adapter Package id 0: +66.0°C (high = +87.0°C, crit = +105.0°C) Core 0: +66.0°C (high = +87.0°C, crit = +105.0°C) Core 1: +65.0°C (high = +87.0°C, crit = +105.0°C)
01:21<jm_>yeah so you see pkgtemp - so if gfx part of the CPU was working more, it would reflect in that, another thing to try is powertop if that one shows something
01:22<steinwayer>uhm i did try running powertop once yesterday, but my screen would stay off for a veeeery long time
01:22<steinwayer>i know powertop is supposed to test different things like the wifi adapter and the screen, by turning it on and off, but how long should i wat for the screen to come back?
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01:24<steinwayer>i'll try running a --calibrate now and hopefully have it coming back soon ahaha
01:24<jm_>hmm it never did that for me, but I only tested it on desktop systems, let me try it again
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01:37<steinwayer>here i am
01:37<steinwayer>i am back
01:37<steinwayer>just finishe running the calibrate
01:38<steinwayer>uhm...
01:38<steinwayer>i am checking in the tunable...
01:38<steinwayer>my situation doesn;t look that bad according to powertop...
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01:38<jm_>so I ran powertop and it doesn't turn off anything for me, and it shows GPU state percentages in the Idle stats section if you scroll down
01:40<steinwayer>even tho... should i be worried of audio codecs being used 100%??
01:41<steinwayer>looking now
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01:42<steinwayer> | GPU | | | | Powered On 31.5% | | RC6 22.0% | | RC6p 46.5% |
01:42<steinwayer>that is my gpu output in idle stats section
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01:42<jm_>so it does use rc6 states a lot, the problem now is how to compare that to osx :)
01:43<jm_>where do you see 100% for audio?
01:43<steinwayer>The battery reports a discharge rate of 13.2 W Usage Device name 12.6% CPU misc 12.6% CPU core 100.0% Audio codec hwC0D0: Cirrus Logic 100.0% Audio codec hwC0D3: Intel 100.0% USB device: IR Receiver (Apple Computer, Inc.) 100.0% Display backlight 100.0% Radio
01:43<steinwayer>here
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01:43<steinwayer>and in overview as well
01:44<steinwayer>you can check it also in device stats section
01:44<jm_>so maybe that's something to check as well as display backlight and IR Receiver?
01:45<steinwayer>uhm... but the display backlight would't possibly generate heat in the bottom of the lapto
01:45<steinwayer>this is my tunable table output
01:45<steinwayer>Bad VM writeback timeout Bad Enable SATA link power management for host0 Bad Enable SATA link power management for host5 Bad Enable SATA link power management for host3 Bad Enable SATA link power management for host1 Bad Enable SATA link power management for host4 Bad Enable SATA link power management for host2 Bad
01:45<jm_>try to use the paste site instead
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01:45<steinwayer>how do i use it ?LO
01:46<steinwayer>:O
01:46<annadane>paste.debian.net
01:48<steinwayer>http://paste.debian.net/1017393/
01:48<steinwayer>this is the tunable section
01:48<jm_>right, it already suggests autosuspend for IR stuff, so that would be the first thing to do
01:49<steinwayer>http://paste.debian.net/1017394/
01:49<steinwayer>this is my device stats
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01:52<steinwayer>you think that it could be the sata link power management?
01:53<jm_>I doubt that one would contribute so much - you should try the ones it suggests, but be careful with SATA link management, there were bugs in that area
01:53<steinwayer>uhm... i gotcha
01:54<jm_>I would never imagine those devices listed by powertop as being problematic to cause such a difference, but I suppose it's possible in confined space like laptops
01:55<steinwayer>yes i know
01:55<steinwayer>and the battery life is not even that bad
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01:56<steinwayer>not as good as mac osx, not that i expect it to be of course
01:56<steinwayer>ok, so i ll play around with it a litlle bit
01:57<steinwayer>and i ll let you guys know if i solve the issue!! :D
01:57<steinwayer>See you here tomorrow same time!! eheheh :D
01:57<steinwayer>P.s. Thank you so much jm_ for the advices ;)
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01:58<jm_>no problem
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05:17<duncan>Thank you for the insight
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06:44<nicolas>hi
06:45<nicolas>how update my old linux ? apt get update ?
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06:47<grove>nicolas: How old?
06:47<nicolas>I don t know
06:48<nicolas>it s a kde
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06:49<blast007>nicolas: you're gonna need to give a little more context to what you're trying to do
06:49<jm_>you update it using the same tools, but a) updates are not there for very old releases, and b) repository for it might be on archive only
06:49<pipedream>nicolas: lsb_release -d should tell you what version you are running
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06:52<nicolas>linux mint 17 qiana kde 32 bit
06:54<nicolas>?
06:54<nicolas>how uptade it please
06:55<jm_>!mint
06:55<dpkg>Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at http://forums.linuxmint.com/ or join #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org for support. Linux Mint is variously based on <Ubuntu> with a "Linux Mint Debian Edition" (LMDE) also available. See also <based on debian>, <mintppc>.
06:55<jm_>try asking there
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06:55<nicolas>ok
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07:44<EmleyMoor>Is there an easy way in Debian to show the sum of all the bytes in a file?
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07:48<BCMM>EmleyMoor: you don't mean file size, do you? are you talking about what would happen if you treat each byte as an 8-bit integer, and add all of them together?
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07:49<EmleyMoor>BCMM: That's exactly what I mean
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07:49<BCMM>EmleyMoor: that sounds to me like a task that is sufficiently weird that there won't be a pre-existing utility for it, but sufficiently simple that one could write a very very short program in a few minutes
07:50<BCMM>unless there's some common reason to want to do that that i haven't thought of...
07:50<BCMM>EmleyMoor: out of pure curiosity, why *are* you doing that?
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07:51<EmleyMoor>BCMM: To cross-check that a routine doing just that in Z80 is producing the right result
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08:03<littlejohn75>with python sum(ord(b) for b in buffer) aftre readind the file into buffer
08:05<EmleyMoor>I've not done any python yet but will be sure to look into that
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08:08<littlejohn75>EmleyMoor: with open(fname) as fin: buffer = fin.read()
08:09<littlejohn75>EmleyMoor: it is straitforward
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08:22<littlejohn75>About the zoom desktop featute of xfce/xfwm (with Ctrl-MouseScroll) : in other DE ?
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08:30<littlejohn75>Does Gnome or KDE have this fullscreen zoom feature ? (a must for visually impaired people)
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08:33<Anarka>ctrl + mouse scroll works on terminals, editors...
08:34<Anarka>well some... temrinals or ctrl + or -
08:34<blast007>littlejohn75: a search would have turned up some answers, such as: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/33243/does-gnome-3-support-desktop-zoom
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08:34<yeamin>anyone
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08:36<littlejohn75>blast007: in xfwm4 it is built in. Without it, my laptop is unusable.
08:37<Anarka>Super+Alt+8 still works on .28
08:37<Anarka>3.28
08:37<Anarka>gnome...
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08:43<arsh>what is sql injustion
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08:50<littlejohn75>blast007: With Alt-MouseScroll in xfce, the zoom factor in incremented to 2.0 in about 7 or 8 steps. The Gnome "solution" Super+Alt+'+' is not a solution.
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09:53<garries>Hi, Im using debian 8 and my SSD read at a speed of 11.41 MB/sec
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09:57<duncan>There is no context to this
09:58<duncan>Read/write speed on flash can depend on many factors.
09:58<duncan>Such as operation, health of the drive, controller, etc
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09:59<garries>duncan: I did a benchmark test on my terminal and i was amazed
09:59<garries>domething is very wrong, probably the firmware
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10:37<garries>I have a Samsung SSD 840 EVO, how can I update formware on Debian 8 ??
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10:38<garries>I have a Samsung SSD 840 EVO, how can I update formware on Debian 8 ??
10:39<sdk>garries: Was it necessary to add colors in your message?
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10:40<garries>sdk: i had to get ur attentionion and guess what, i got it ! ;)
10:40<annadane>attentionion is not a tor service
10:41<jimpop>oh great, you mentioned tor and now you've got my attention.
10:41<sdk>garries: You maybe got my attention but you also lower your chance that I want to respond to your question. :\
10:41<annadane>anyway, it's not important
10:41<annadane>let's not derail this
10:44<jimpop>garries: *i think* you can download the EVO firmware for MACs (it's an iso) and then use grub-imageboot to install it
10:44<jimpop>you probably want to test it first on a non-important system tho
10:45<garries>thx jimpop
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10:45<jimpop>wrt your speed issue, are you sure you even need a firmware update?
10:46<jimpop>you might try testing this first on debian 9 (stable) to see if the speeds are the same
10:47<jimpop>also, you should probably tell us what filesystem type (ext2/3/4/etc) is in use
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10:48<garries>jimpop: i have a reading speed of 42.82 MB/sec
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10:49<garries>on my samsung evo 840 ssd
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10:49<garries>its a faulty ssd that needs a firmwarer upgrade
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10:50<jimpop>back it up first before doing anything ;-)
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10:59<petn-randall>garries: The firmware page has documentation on how to update it on Linux.
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11:00<petn-randall>garries: The page where you can download the samsung 840 evo firmware, that is.
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12:03<raju>hello
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12:16<Logansha>hey
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12:17<annadane>:(
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12:18<annadane>i'm sure a lot of this happens because #debian is the default channel and they really are just saying hi in greeting before moving on to the channel they want
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12:21<Logansha>#debian
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12:29<destiny>hello :)
12:29<annadane>hi
12:29<sw>hello destiny
12:30<sw>annadane,
12:30<annadane>my hi was in response to the hello :P
12:30<sw>:P
12:30<sw>mine too
12:30<sw>how are you annadane ?
12:31<annadane>fine, but that's not really the channel for that
12:31<annadane>also, i need to restart hexchat, brb
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13:05<marian>!topic
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13:06<bremner>try /topic
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13:10<garries>im running debian8 and wondering if i should upgrade to 9 or not
13:11<bremner>yes.
13:12<annadane>if you have to ask, yes, probably. read the release notes: https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes
13:12<annadane>jessie is due to reach end of full support in about 2 months
13:13<garries>i see
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13:33<grummund>Hi, any suggestions how to sniff traffic on a serial port? (/dev/ttyUSB0)
13:34*grummund has tried with strace but not getting very far.
13:34<grummund>as an added complication the app is running under wine
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13:43<petn-randall>grummund: wireshark can sniff USB traffic, too.
13:45<grummund>that's an idea
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13:53<newm>hi
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13:54<newm>what's that
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13:55<annadane>newm, this is a support channel for debian
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13:56<newm>this is the first time to be here
13:56<annadane>welcome
13:56<dboles>and so that people can help you fastest,
13:56<dboles>!ask
13:56<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
13:57<newm>thank u so much
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13:59<newm>is kali linux like parrot os
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13:59<dboles>!kali
13:59<dpkg>Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html
13:59<dboles>!parrot
14:00<annadane>!parrot
14:00<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
14:00<dboles>!parrot
14:00<annadane>(sorry. should've let you do it)
14:00<dboles>so yes, they're alike in that they're both based on debian, but this channel is only for upstream debian :)
14:00<annadane>anyway, you're probably here because they insist on putting #debian as the default channel
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14:01<newm>which one is better kali linux or parrot os
14:02<annadane>i suggest not using either for a regular desktop computer, they're more for penetration testing
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14:02<annadane>and are not particularly newbie oriented
14:03<dboles>and "better" doesn't really mean anything without knowing what things you consider 'good'
14:03<dboles>anyway, both are off-topic here, sooo.... just use debian. it's great :P
14:03<newm>i'm using parrot os as erousa desktop computer.....why it is dang
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14:04<annadane>!better
14:04<dpkg>it has been said that better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better".
14:04<newm>this channel is just for debian
14:05<annadane>yes
14:05<newm>can u gie me an email
14:06<dboles>there are plenty of channels, links, etc in the messages just above
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14:06<annadane>email for what?
14:07<newm>can u help me programming because i'm using debian
14:07<annadane>er... "programming" or "how to use debian"?
14:07<annadane>also, parrot is not debian, only based on debian
14:07<newm>the two
14:08<annadane>so telling you how debian works will not apply in many cases
14:08<annadane>!based on debian
14:08<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
14:08<annadane>that being said,
14:08<annadane>!newcomer
14:08<dpkg>Welcome to Debian! Here's some resources to help you on your merry way: The Debian Handbook: https://debian-handbook.info/ Reference manual: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ FAQ: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ - reading https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian is also a very good idea.
14:08<annadane>and you can learn how to program from basically anywhere on the internet
14:10<newm>do u think that debian is like ubuntu
14:10<tw3k>!ubuntu
14:10<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
14:10<annadane>ubuntu is based on debian, ubuntu differs in a few respects
14:11<annadane>it takes packages from debian testing/sid, whereas debian stable has a far more conservative upgrade policy
14:11<newm>i mean who can use ubuntu can use debian easily
14:11<annadane>or actually i don't know how ubuntu does packaging, it's something like that, or the base system is stable-ish, whatever, i don't use it
14:11<annadane>yeah, basically
14:11<annadane>you should be able to do anything you need to do
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14:12<newm>i'm astonished ....how could you answer so quickly
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14:12<dboles>"dpkg" is a bot that accepts !commands and automatically sends pre-defined messages
14:13<mnuhmnuh>i like "!hi"
14:13*dboles makes a bolded and underlined mental note of that one
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14:14<newm>this is something new for me to be here,,,,,but thank u
14:14<annadane>if we put everything in the oftc topic that it ought to have given how many new people we get it would be longer than the bearing strait
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14:15<newm>thank u annadane
14:15<annadane>anyway, i repeat. i suggest not using either kali or parrot for a normal computer especially if you don't understand linux fundamentals
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14:16<annadane>a lot of people use them because they want to be "hackers"
14:16<annadane>which is not the point
14:16<mnuhmnuh>newm: spend some time on wiki.debian.org
14:16<newm>i take your advice seriously
14:17<newm>the next time i'll join you as a debian user
14:18<annadane>debian also has a gigantic variety of packages and emphasizes stability
14:18<annadane>can recommend
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14:19<mnuhmnuh>newm: hey, i'm using debian to serve out slackware isos in transmission. where do you want to go today? :-)
14:19<annadane>qbittorrent ++
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14:19<annadane>well, good. we converted a parrot user to debian.
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14:20<annadane>my work here is done. you can send the cheque in the mail.
14:20<mnuhmnuh>and, yeah, 30k available packages?
14:20<annadane>i don't have the figures memorized, i want to say it's like 20k source packages
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14:21<annadane>more than 51,000 other ready-to-use software packages, built from a bit more of 25,000 source packages.
14:21<annadane>https://www.debian.org/News/2017/20170617
14:21<mnuhmnuh>"are any of them cad?" "no."
14:21<annadane>there's freecad
14:21<annadane>and librecad
14:22<SecureThis>I am auditing packages for security purposes and am trying to find out why a patch is needed. I have the following package but am unable to find where it would list why the patch is need: https://packages.debian.org/jessie/libicu52
14:22<SecureThis>Am I looking in the wrong place for this information?
14:22<annadane>well i would suggest ask the maintainer but i don't really know
14:23<annadane>afaik there's no single page for that info
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14:24<mnuhmnuh>aptitude search libicu # then tracker.d.o ? should be easy.
14:24<annadane>to be honest, i maybe should evangelize less, it's kind of bad form to say "stop using parrot"
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14:24<annadane>anyway, maintainer's email is gcs@debian.org
14:24<jelly>SecureThis, which patch?
14:25<jelly>stuff in debian/patches/ usually separates functionality into multiple files
14:25<mnuhmnuh>annadane: no, it's not bad form in #debian to say stop using parrot.
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14:25<SecureThis>jelly: I am on 52.1-8+deb8u6 for that library and the latest security is 52.1-8+deb8u7. I may be using the wrong word by saying a "patch"
14:26<annadane>the main reason i said that is because you can get yourself into security problems using one of those as your default os if you don't know better, not to have an ego stroking competition
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14:26<jelly>SecureThis, start by looking at the changelog.
14:26<annadane>^ that. i didn't think of it because i'm a moron
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14:26<SecureThis>jelly: Changelog on that site returns 404
14:27<SecureThis>jelly: Thats what I did for my other packages, this is one it hasnt worked for
14:27<jelly>,v libicu52
14:27<judd>Package: libicu52 on amd64 -- jessie: 52.1-8+deb8u6; jessie-security: 52.1-8+deb8u7
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14:28<jelly>SecureThis, you can still install apt-listchanges, or just download the package and look at the changelog inside
14:28<SecureThis>jelly: Thats what I needed to know, thank you
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14:29<jelly>SecureThis, tracked.debian.org/icu is possibly easier to use than packages.d.o
14:29<jelly>sorry, tracker.debian.org/icu
14:29<jelly>there's a one-click from there to the relevant upload
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14:30<jelly>and the winner is https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2017-15422 in this case
14:30*mnuhmnuh easy peasy, lemon squeezy.
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15:04<mnuhmnuh>annadane: no freecad in buster. librecad == 2d. so, "no cad?" "no." sigh.
15:05<mnuhmnuh>not my problem, never wanted to use it.
15:05<annadane>that glorious moment when using stable actually sounds like a pretty darn good option
15:05<annadane>i never ran testing though, it was always sid
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15:07<mnuhmnuh>i ran stable for a very long tim, ca. '96 on. on old, supported, hardware it's great.
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15:10<mo396>Hello everyone
15:11<annadane>mo396, hi
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15:22<piper>freecad in sid 0.16.6712+dfsg1-1+b2
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15:24<annadane>this is #debian, not #bragaboutsiduction
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15:25<annadane>though you did say "sid", i'll allow it
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15:29<mnuhmnuh>i for one thank our informative sid overlords.
15:33<piper>annadane: #bragaboutsiduction uses deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free and deb http://incoming.debian.org/debian-buildd buildd-unstable main contrib non-free same as my NORMal debian sid :)
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15:58<lpancescu>hello, some debian packages like exim or postfix run dpkg-reconfigure during installation. what is the right way to configure such packages via ansible? preseed answers for dpkg-reconfigure? just copy known-good config files in place?
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16:04<mnuhmnuh>you guys, always teaching me about something new. never heard of ansible.
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16:11<lpancescu>mnuhmnuh, config systems like ansible aren't new: puppet, chef, cfengine... they allow you to create reproducible configurations on a bigger scale
16:12<annadane>along the same lines, etckeeper
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16:14<lpancescu>heh. i used to use etckeeper with mercurial a long time ago. i no longer need it since i'm using ansible and normal source control outside of /etc
16:15<annadane>i guess ansible is essentially a swiss army knife; anyway sorry, this is offtopic to your question
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16:17<mnuhmnuh>lpancescu: i was just wondering th other day what happened to BBNM.
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16:17<lpancescu>mnuhmnuh, never heard of BBNM, what's that?
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18:01<srged>I upgraded to debian 9 , now it doesnt boot up . the error i get is "failed to start LSB"
18:05<srged>here is a screenshot https://paste.pics/2UYB8
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18:08<srged>anyone online?
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18:17<dboles>no, only 783 people
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19:09<ara>hi all - having trouble installing Debian (got through everything but then "No bootable device -- insert boot disk and press any key"). Is this the channel to get help for that or #debian-boot?
19:12<garries>i upgraded to debian 9 , now it doesnt even boot up
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19:14<arathaert>not sure if that first bit posted ... apparently I hijacked someone's username. Oops.
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19:21<GyrosGeier>arathaert, came through, yes
19:22<GyrosGeier>so you created an USB stick, and it doesn't boot, or you installed and your new installation doesn't boot?
19:22<arathaert>ah okay, cool.
19:22<arathaert>I installed and the new installation won't boot.
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19:23<GyrosGeier>is this an Asus laptop?
19:23<GyrosGeier>there are some issues with UEFI on those
19:24<arathaert>It's an Acer Aspire V5-561G-6407
19:24<arathaert>I had to swap it to legacy mode to even recognize the usb
19:24<GyrosGeier>hm
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19:24<GyrosGeier>might be a secure boot issue as well then
19:25<GyrosGeier>but if you installed in legacy mode, you also get a legacy bootloader
19:25<arathaert>Maybe swap back to UEFI before trying to boot w/o the usb? I can't remember if I tried that or not...
19:25<GyrosGeier>in principle, the USB should work in UEFI mode
19:26<arathaert>it doesn't even display on the list of boot options
19:26<GyrosGeier>that is even weirder
19:27<arathaert>(by the way - did I need to make up a domain name? I've got other pooters but haven't had to set up a domain name before...)
19:27<GyrosGeier>problem is that I'm not that well-versed in boot issues
19:27<GyrosGeier>no, that's optional
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19:27<arathaert>so leaving it blank shouldn't have affected anything then
19:27<GyrosGeier>indeed
19:28<GyrosGeier>the mbr bootloader installation should ask where to install
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19:29<arathaert>I used the whole drive
19:29<GyrosGeier>yes
19:29<TrustTrade>Hi all
19:29<arathaert>o/
19:29<TrustTrade>Anyone Bitcoin?
19:29<GyrosGeier>then you get the standard layout
19:30<GyrosGeier>one root fs, one extended partition containing a swap partition
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19:30<arathaert>I pretty much followed the default all the way through
19:30<GyrosGeier>yes, that should work
19:30<GyrosGeier>there is a bit at the end
19:31<GyrosGeier>it installs a kernel and bootloader
19:31<GyrosGeier>then it should ask where to install the bootloader
19:31<arathaert>nope
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19:31<GyrosGeier>hm
19:31<arathaert>just installed, ran the little bar across to the end a couple times, then it was like hey surprise it doesn't work
19:31<blast007>"nope" meaning it didn't ask where you wanted to install grub?
19:31<arathaert>correct
19:32<GyrosGeier>that is fishy
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19:32<arathaert>I've gone into rescue mode and figure I can install it there, but don't know which device to use as the root file system.
19:32<blast007>which ISO did you use?
19:32<GyrosGeier>the root fs is in the first partition
19:32<blast007>!fixmbr
19:32<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
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19:32<GyrosGeier>there should be 1, 4 and 5, with 4 hidden
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19:33<GyrosGeier>1 is root, 5 is swap
19:33<arathaert>@blast007 I used the small cd/usb one on https://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst (amd64)
19:34<arathaert>in the graphical rescue mode, I see /dev/sda1 through sda3, then sdb1, sdb2, sdc1
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19:34<arathaert>should I restart and do the !fxmbr thing instead?
19:34<garries>I upgraded to debian9 and now it doesnt boot up. this is what i get: https://i.paste.pics/2UYGW.png
19:34<arathaert>(very much noob questions, here, sorry)
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19:43<annadane>arathaert, don't ever apologize for asking questions
19:43<arathaert>okie
19:43<arathaert>so ... another question then :P
19:43<dvs>nooooooo! ;-)
19:44<arathaert>I just tried reinstalling GRUB on sda2 (sda1 gave a "no usable shell was found" error, and I seem to remember the first partition being oddly small when I installed)
19:44<ryouma>are there tools in debian that can use the debian keyring as a point of reference for linting, verifying, flagging problems in, etc. one's own gpg public keyring? and also for knowing which of one's keys is the most likely to be generally ok'ed by debian-keyring members?
19:44<arathaert>still nada
19:44<GyrosGeier>garries, do you get a text login when you press return?
19:44<GyrosGeier>(maybe on the second console)
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19:45<GyrosGeier>the login prompt is often overwritten with messages since systemd
19:45<GyrosGeier>arathaert, a small first partition is often used for UEFI
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19:46<annadane>https://chris-lamb.co.uk/posts/ask-the-dumb-questions from our DPL
19:48<arathaert>I tried the !fixmbr stuff. First it found the images, then it spat out an error: "grub-probe: error: cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/sdb1. Check your device.map.
19:48<blast007>arathaert: install it to /dev/sda, not a partition
19:48<arathaert>Then it said "Adding boot menu entry for EFI firmware configuration"
19:48<arathaert>and then installation finished, no error reported.
19:49<blast007>(regarding the grub-install command)
19:49<arathaert>so it should be ... grub-install /dev/sda?
19:50<blast007>yeah, assuming /dev/sda is your boot device
19:50<arathaert>how do I find out which is my boot device?
19:51<arathaert>(I *did* say noob :D)
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19:51<blast007>do you have multiple hard drives?
19:52<arathaert>just the one
19:52<arathaert>and then two usbs plugged in (because the network thing needed firmware - got that sorted)
19:52<arathaert>so I figure the two usbs are sdb and sdc
19:53<arathaert>"mounting /dev/sda on /target failed: No such file or directory"
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19:54<GyrosGeier>"Adding boot menu entry for EFI firmware configuration"
19:55<GyrosGeier>that suggests it's an EFI system
19:55<arathaert>right
19:55<GyrosGeier>then you should have an entry "Debian" in the boot menu
19:55<arathaert>mmkay lemme see
19:55<blast007>arathaert: mount /dev/sda1 to /target, not sda. but use /dev/sda for grub-install
19:56<arathaert>sda1 gave the same error
19:56<GyrosGeier>dmesg should tell you which is the harddisk
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19:56<garries>GyrosGeier: no, it just hangs
19:57<blast007>arathaert: run 'sudo fdisk -l', which will list all partitions/drives
19:57<blast007>(or just 'fdisk -l' if you're already root)
19:57<blast007>what type is /dev/sda1?
19:58<GyrosGeier>garries, Alt-F2 doesn't work either?
19:58<ryouma>if you have lsblk, you can try that
19:58<garries>GyrosGeier: no
19:58<arathaert>So .. when I try to enter the boot menu, I get "Default Boot Device Missing or Boot Failed" in UEFI. In Legacy mode, I couldn't pull up a boot menu with f10.
20:00<GyrosGeier>okay
20:00*GyrosGeier is out of his depth with garries's problem, it's likely to be systemd related
20:01<GyrosGeier>and I don't use systemd
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20:01<garries>ic
20:01<GyrosGeier>normally systemd should generate getty invocations for the local console that work even when the graphical login manager fails
20:02<GyrosGeier>if neither the graphical login nor the text consoles pop up, that's a lot of failures at the same time
20:02<arathaert>so typed "sudo fdisk -1" and it says /bin/sh: sudo: not found
20:03<GyrosGeier>arathaert, if you're already root, you don't need sudo
20:03<arathaert>so just type fdisk -1
20:03<arathaert>WHOA
20:03<GyrosGeier>also it's L
20:03<arathaert>that did it lol
20:03<GyrosGeier>not one
20:03<arathaert>OH
20:03<arathaert>well -1 shows a bunch of stuff too lol
20:03<arathaert>(after it shows "invalid option"
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20:04<arathaert>mmkay
20:04<arathaert>so sda1 is 512M and it's the EFI system. sda2 is the Linux filesystem and sda3 is a 5.9GB Linux swap
20:04<tw3k>kvm is handy way to test too
20:05<arathaert>interestingly enough, both sdb and sdc are the usbs and show a "Boot" column, but my actual hard drive partitions don't have that column shown
20:05<blast007>arathaert: sounds like it installed in UEFI mode then
20:05<arathaert>But booting in UEFI mode doesn't show aany kind of boot media available.
20:06<blast007>I don't think GPT partitions have a boot attribute on partitions, so that's probably why only the USBs show the boot column
20:06<arathaert>Legacy mode at least shows cool black terminal text
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20:06<arathaert>well, white terminal text
20:06<arathaert>whatever
20:07<arathaert>So it's an EFI system ... now what?
20:07<GyrosGeier>arathaert, if your partitions are 1 2 3 and have no Boot flag, then the partition table is GPT
20:08<GyrosGeier>(in theory, MBR partition tables can also have 1 2 3, but the guided partitioner uses 1 2 5)
20:08<arathaert>okay.
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20:08<blast007>try setting your system to UEFI mode again, boot the installer CD in UEFI mode, and follow the fixmbr steps, mounting /dev/sda2 to /target, and running grub-install on /dev/sda
20:08<blast007>!fixmbr
20:08<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
20:08<arathaert>I used the guided partitioner thing.
20:08<arathaert>in UEFI mode, the system won't recognize the usb stick
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20:09<blast007>how did you write the ISO to the USB stick?
20:09<GyrosGeier>does it recognize the Debian installation in UEFI mode?
20:09<arathaert>nope
20:09<GyrosGeier>hm
20:09<GyrosGeier>because the legacy mode isn't really legacy
20:09<blast007>probably used some tool that mangled the image
20:10<blast007>arathaert: what did you use to write the ISO to the usb stick?
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20:10<ryouma>so for such a case, what partitions do you set up? efi 900k, /boot 1gb, root 9gb, home rest?
20:10<arathaert>I used winsomethingorother
20:10<GyrosGeier>ryouma, I normally use 512 MB EFI, and the rest root and home
20:11<arathaert>It was on the Debian site
20:11<blast007>Win32DiskImager?
20:11<arathaert>^
20:11<arathaert>that
20:11<blast007>okay, that should work fine then
20:11<GyrosGeier>and then install the kernel onto the EFI partition
20:11<blast007>did you turn secure boot off?
20:11<arathaert>I saw somewhere someone had an issue and solved it by renaming the file to .img instead of .iso
20:11<GyrosGeier>but I use poettering's bootloader
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20:11<arathaert>@blast007 I can't. :/
20:11<arathaert>It's grayed out.
20:11<blast007>there's probably some other option you have to disable first then
20:12<ryouma>GyrosGeier: oh, efi requires a lot. (i want to ask, what does one do to set up an efi drive from a bios system (not using the installer, manually) but don't wnat to interrupt people helping arathaert.)
20:12<arathaert>a lot of options are greyed out, actually
20:13<arathaert>when uefi boot mode is enabled I can't access any boot order settings.
20:13<arathaert>lemme try another restart
20:13<arathaert>well that lets me access boot order
20:14<arathaert>but not secure boot
20:14<arathaert>or any of the security settings either
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20:14<blast007>seems those Acer systems actually don't let you turn off secure boot with UEFI...
20:15<blast007>and you proably don't want to mess with it too much
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20:17<blast007>I'm not sure why it installed like it was booted in UEFI mode
20:17<arathaert>should I just start from scratch then or something?
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20:18<arathaert>cause even restarting with the usb attached and the usb stuff set to higher in the boot order ... "Default boot device missing or boot failed"
20:18<arathaert>And nothing shows in the Boot Option Menu
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20:19<dvs>arathaert, sounds like the USB wasn't created correctly.
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20:21<arathaert>AHA
20:21<arathaert>https://itsfoss.com/disable-secure-boot-in-acer/
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20:21<arathaert>Had to make a supervisor password
20:21<garries>GyrosGeier: here is what i get now when i try to boot up. https://i.paste.pics/8df3cc443ff8c4ce1cad20f8deb32da2.png
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20:22<arathaert>well progress. I can get into the usb in uefi mode now
20:23<arathaert>still won't boot without it, but it'll at least recognize the usb as a boot option
20:25<arathaert>!fixmbr
20:25<dpkg>To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
20:28<arathaert>So ... in rescue mode, I have a couple options in the sda2 list.
20:28<arathaert>One is "Reinstall GRUB boot loader" and the other is "Force GRUB installation to the EFI removable media path"
20:29<awal1>well, firewalld is like uwf at the end?
20:29<dvs>arathaert, I'd pick the second option
20:29<dvs>That worked for me.
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20:29<garries>why cant i boot up after upgrading to debian 9 ?
20:30<arathaert>-___-
20:30<arathaert>looong message
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20:30<annadane>on the plus side, when typing becomes an olympic sport...
20:31<arathaert>hehe
20:31<arathaert>I've gotten a job solely because of an 80wpm typing speed and I was (not out loud of course) was like "uhmmm... there's a lot faster out there"
20:31<arathaert>So ... I think it worked?
20:31<arathaert>I'm back at that menu.
20:31<arathaert>Let's try a reboot *crosses fingers*
20:32<arathaert>GASP
20:32<arathaert>A NEW SCREEN
20:32<arathaert>maybe
20:32<arathaert>some failed radeon lines
20:32<arathaert>but hey
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20:33<arathaert>I think it worked
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20:34<arathaert>Gonna try one final restart to see what happens
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20:34<arathaert>Same radeon errors, but hey. I have a desktop and shtuff!
20:34<arathaert>Y'all are heroes. I'll eat a blaze Dorito for each of you.
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20:36<arathaert>THANK YOU ALL <3 Now to learn meself a new operating system...
20:36<annadane>!newcomer
20:36<dpkg>Welcome to Debian! Here's some resources to help you on your merry way: The Debian Handbook: https://debian-handbook.info/ Reference manual: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ FAQ: https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ - reading https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian is also a very good idea.
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22:02<razer>I'm running Debian testing and Clementine and Rhythm box both say our GStreamer installation is missing a plug-in.
22:02<razer>I don't remember that happening when I installed those on debian stable.
22:04<awal1>dpkg: testing
22:04<dpkg>Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <buster>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting . Support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net and ask me about <testing faq> <jessie->stretch> <testing security> <moving target> <apt-listchanges> <apt-listbugs> and <bts>. You need a sound knowledge of Debian and be prepared for a very bumpy ride. Don't use it on things that are critical!
22:05<awal1>razer, anyway, check deps apt-cache depends clementine and so
22:05<awal1>just for start ^
22:06<razer>There are a lot of depends from that
22:06<razer>oh, and two recommends and one suggests
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22:06<razer>recommends gstreatmer also, gstreamer pulseaudio and suggests gstreamer plugins bad.
22:06<razer>gstreamer alsa I mean
22:07<razer>It looks like I can say apt, instead of apt-cache which is good
22:07<razer>I'm pretty sure on debian stable it installed the recommends by default.
22:08<razer>Or, maybe my desktop environment did that? I used to run gnome and now I run XFCE and Awesome.
22:08<blaztek>What’s the difference between alsa pulseaudio, razer?
22:08<razer>gstreamer1.0-alsa and gstreamer1.0-pulseaudio
22:09<blaztek>Razor, apt is an apt-get replacement too
22:09<razer>yeah. I always say apt, not apt-get etc
22:09<razer>I don't go below that level.
22:09<blaztek>Me too
22:10<razer>I know alsa is lower level than pulseaudio
22:10<razer>You can run without pulseaudio on the system
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22:10<blaztek>Razor, gotcha
22:11<blaztek>I’ve never really understood the difference but I’ve never really looked into it either
22:11<razer>People concerned about optimal performance and minimizing delay uninstall pulseaudio
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22:12<blaztek>Sounds good to me. Less is more!
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23:31<razer>I just installed debian 9 stable, xorg and awesome window manager. I can't get any audio and I don't know why.
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23:37<dvs>!alsa checklist
23:37<dpkg>1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
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23:46<razer>dvs, Ok, I'm in tha audio group, all levels are up, I'm not using pulse audio, Speakers are on, that audio file does not play and I'm not sure about #6
23:47<razer>dvs, Ok, I'm in tha audio group, all levels are up, I'm not using pulse audio, Speakers are on, that audio file does not play and I'm not sure about #6
23:47<razer>oops sorry
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