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#debian IRC Logs for 2018-03-30

---Logopened Fri Mar 30 00:00:08 2018
00:03-!-drakonis_ [~drakonis@2804:14d:7480:1101:40ab:c8dc:8be3:7439] has joined #debian
00:03-!-drakonis_ is "realname" on #debian-next #debian #debian-reproducible
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00:04-!-dboehmer_ is "Daniel B\xF6hmer,,," on #debian
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00:13-!-nowhereman is "Pierre Thierry" on @#concatenative #emacs #git @#erights #lisp #debian-kde #debian
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00:14-!-benages is "Juanjo Benages,,," on #debian #debian-next #debian-es
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00:16-!-drakonis_ is "realname" on #debian-next #debian #debian-reproducible
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00:23-!-gtristan is "Tristan Van Berkom" on #kernelnewbies #qemu #debian #ninja-build #debian-next #reproducible-builds
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00:28-!-dogsleg is "Lev Lamberov" on #debian-haskell #debian-i18n #debian-ru #debian
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00:35-!-dogsleg is "Lev Lamberov" on #debian-haskell #debian-i18n #debian-ru #debian
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00:53-!-dogsleg is "Lev Lamberov" on #debian-devel-changes #debian-til #debian-haskell #debian-i18n #debian
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02:07-!-piper is "Ralph Hokanson" on #debian-offtopic #debian-live #debian-apt #packaging #debian-desktop #debian-derivatives #debian-kde #debian-next #debian #siduction-de #siduction-dev #siduction
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03:34<venancmb>hello
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03:35<venancmb>hi
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03:36<venancmb>narcan
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03:38<venancmb> Topic for #debian is: Debian Stretch: /msg dpkg stretch ; /msg dpkg 9.4 ; /msg dpkg jessie->stretch; /msg dpkg install stretch | Oldstable: Debian Jessie /msg dpkg jessie ; /msg dpkg 8.10 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | unstable: #debian-next | chanlogs: /msg dpkg irclog
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04:36<garries>I upgraded to debian9 and now it doesnt boot up. here is the screen i get: https://i.paste.pics/b8ea5cee7a9fa25f0ddcfe781026028d.png
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04:51<garries>anyone online?
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04:56<grove>There are probably always several people online, but it doesn't really matter. If none of the people online can answer your question you won't get an answer, no matter if noone or a thousand people (I don't think there's quite that many) were online
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05:51<cascardo>garries: try to boot without the quiet option in the bootloader, better yet, replace it with debug
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05:55<Chelsea>hi all, is there a way to exit the gnome window manager and start xmonad without relogging?
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06:10<jm_>Chelsea: if you are asking if such a thing is doable, then yes, is it doable with default setup? no
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06:25<Chelsea>jm_, I remember a small-footprint wm (openbox perhaps) had that feature, but I'd like to know how I could implement or configure that in Gnome.
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06:27<jm_>Chelsea: yeah some window managers have that, but I haven't hear about gnome being able to do it
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09:01<garries>What does this mean? https://i.paste.pics/b8ea5cee7a9fa25f0ddcfe781026028d.png
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09:04<garries>I upgraded to Stretch and when i try to boot up I get the above screen
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09:17<garries>I upgraded to Stretch and when i try to boot up I get theis screen https://i.paste.pics/b8ea5cee7a9fa25f0ddcfe781026028d.png
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11:17<HermanDE>Morning all. I'm experimenting with nft. And discovered a fun question. It is possible to have an include statement within a chain in nftables.conf?
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12:20<sudo>Hi anyone there
12:20<sudo>?
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12:22<sney>!anyone
12:22<dpkg>Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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12:26<clearain>Anyone here?I an new
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12:27<annadane>clearly.
12:28<annadane>also, no pun intended.
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12:29<Brigo>XD
12:31<mnuhmnuh>use irssi and you'll see 805 nicks on connect.
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12:32<mnuhmnuh>damn near snug and homey.
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12:36<annadane>what do they even do if "no one answers"? give up and try to fix whatever it is they're trying to themselves?
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12:37<awatt>hello is there channel for kali linux
12:37<annadane>!kali
12:37<dpkg>Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html
12:38<awatt>thanka
12:38<awatt>thanks
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13:20<canberk>Hi guys .p
13:20<annadane>hiya
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13:42<jeffrin>hello all
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13:44<annadane>hi
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13:57<jeffrin>annadane: is there any command to get system information for bug report
13:58<annadane>first, avoid posting in multiple channels... second, i don't understand your question
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14:01<annadane>clarify, jeffrin?
14:01<mnuhmnuh>jeffrin: reportbug slurps up all pertinent info maintainer should need to begin looking at it.
14:01<annadane>oh. right. sorry.
14:01<annadane>yeah, what mnuhmnuh said
14:01<annadane>but feel free to include any details you find relevant in your report
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14:03<jeffrin>annadane: sorry if any problem
14:03<jeffrin>annadane: anyway is there any command to list the dependencies of a package along with versions
14:04<mnuhmnuh>aptitude why $pkg
14:05<sney>that... doesn't really do either of those things
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14:05<sney>you are probably looking for "apt-cache depends" and "apt-cache policy"
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14:07<mnuhmnuh>sney: it did: "aptitude why unattended-upgrades" explained it perfectly. i thought.
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14:07<annadane>aptitude why only works when the package is installed
14:08<sney>it doesn't list dependencies or versions though. it lists *reverse* dependencies for a package already installed.
14:08<mnuhmnuh>sh.
14:08<annadane>though yes if they're asking about bug reports it's a reasonable assumption
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14:08<mnuhmnuh>s/sh/ah/
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14:09<annadane>(the point of which being that you can see what's specific to your configuration)
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14:19<jeffrin>mnuhmnuh : anyway thanks
14:19<jeffrin>annadane : anyway thanks
14:19<jeffrin>sney : anyway thanks
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14:22<mnuhmnuh>jeffrin: have fun.
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14:24<jeffrin>mnuhmnuh : :)
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15:03<indrora>So, I just tried to remove libreoffice to slim down a gnome system and I'm left with a non-booting system
15:04<indrora>Oh, it's booting but apt keeps complaining that there's a ton of now-unneccesary packages.
15:05<annadane>can you access a GUI at all?
15:07<indrora>It comes up to gdm but if I run autoremove, it'll get wiped out. It's functional but somehow doing `apt remove libreoffice && apt autoremove` has left the `gnome` metapackage broken?
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15:08<indrora>it appears gnome-menus also got taken out along with libreoffice
15:08<annadane>well, so what you've been struck by is the fact that if you uninstall something from a metapackage then autoremove will treat a number of other important components as no longer necessary
15:08<annadane>this is why you can apt-mark hold packages you don't want removed
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15:08<indrora>Should liberoffice be a depends or a sugests?
15:08<annadane>if you check out your /var/log/apt/history.log and reinstall critical packages you should be fine
15:08<annadane>(and not just blindly accept what apt autoremove tells you)
15:09<annadane>just autoremove the libreoffice components and leave everything else alone
15:10<indrora>That causes the same chain of issues.
15:10<annadane>libreoffice is recommends for task-gnome-desktop
15:11<annadane>apt "complaining" about unncessary packages shouldn't matter, it's not a problem if you don't remove them
15:11<indrora>the package `gnome` depends on `libreoffice` (and `inkscape`)
15:12<annadane>it's one thing for package b to get removed automatically because you uninstalled package a and another thing for package b to appear in the list of apt autoremove because you uninstalled package a
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15:12<annadane>i'm not sure which situation you have, but again, you ought to be able to just apt-mark hold
15:12<indrora>It's more "I remove an application" and suddenly "a bunch of things are removed"
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15:13<jc>can you use "apt-mark hold *" to just make everything "manually installed"?
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15:15<annadane>(also i said task-mate-gnome because i assumed it's gnome from the installer, not sure which one specifically you have installed)
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15:15<indrora>Sure, but that seems like a really bad idea.
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15:15<annadane>but yeah libreoffice is in recommends so it gets automatically installed if task-gnome-desktop is installed
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15:17<indrora>In other notes, it'd be nice if vmware and virtualbox didn't both cause gnome to not crash when I resize the display.
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15:28<annadane>but anyway, i personally don't even bother with apt autoremove these days unless i'd really be running out of space
15:28<annadane>it's not a thing you _must_ do
15:29<annadane>this all being said i don't know how gnome structures their metapackages
15:31<jc>autoremove gutting your installation (sometimes) has been a bad thing for a long time in debian
15:33<bremner>never seen it myself.
15:33<bremner>for what little that's worth.
15:33<annadane>it's easier in stable when it's more of a contained ecosystem, i know when buster releases any residual packages i have will either get upgraded or removed; sid is a bit more complicated due to frequency of updates but it's the same idea, but again i just avoid obsessively apt autoremoving anything
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15:34<annadane>the actual packages take up so little space it's not worth it to bother
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15:38<annadane>"no longer required" is disingenuous wording IMO, people will remove things thinking they're truly irrelevant... it's more of an advisory
15:38<annadane>and even things you think look harmless to remove pay still be used by the system
15:39<annadane>the only time it's relevant is when someone is close to running out of space
15:39<annadane>s/pay/may
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15:42<mnuhmnuh>annadane: i thought we sorted this - autoremove works on testing, bad idea on sid.
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15:43<mnuhmnuh>well, so far here, at least.
15:43<mnuhmnuh>testing.
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15:43<annadane>i've noticed autoremove is also bad with backports
15:44<mnuhmnuh>i don't go there.
15:44<annadane>but really, it's just that apt only checks whether such and such checkbox is checked, it's blind deaf and dumb, so i've just stopped bothering
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15:48<annadane>and also i like knowing in great detail what actually goes on in my system, i want every action to have a purpose and i can't track my system if i'm blindly accepting solutions that i haven't vetted
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18:28<tgunr>How do SATA ports in BIOS get assigned to sda, sdb, etc?
18:29<tgunr>I assumed port 0 would be sda
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18:31<annadane>oi
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18:33<lavamind>tgunr: aiui assignment of device names to sata ports is rather arbitrary, you can't count on one device/port being consistently given a given device name, at least in a default configuratio
18:34<lavamind>if you need consistent device names, udev is what you would normally use
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18:35<lavamind>otherwise, if you're looking to refer to specific partitions on the attaches devices, you should rely on the partition UUID which you can discover using "blkid"
18:35<tgunr>i knoew that for USB devices but would have thought SATA ports would be consistent
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18:35<tgunr>im down at the bios grub level right now
18:36<lavamind>tgunr: ah, well that's a completely different environment
18:37<lavamind>there are no sda, sdb, etc in grub
18:37<lavamind>see https://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub/html_node/Naming-convention.html
18:38<tgunr>what i mean is , once booted one of my zpool drives which is on SATA port 5 was reported as /dev/sdg
18:38<tgunr>I would have thought it would be /dev/sdf
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18:39<lavamind>I don't know much about zfs but it's probably intelligent about finding what drive belong to which pool by looking at special metadata on the disk/partition
18:40<lavamind>so, under normal circumstances, you don't really need to concern yourself with what device name it ends up having
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18:43<tgunr>yes i get that at the high level, which is why I assigned my zpool with /dev/disk/by-id rather than /dev/sdX, but I was doing so for what I though would be differences on USB not SATA
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20:06<tgunr>i have a debian shell running, how can i find out what grub thinks are the drives associated with hdX?
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20:07<tgunr>cause I think grub-install is specifying the wrong drive in grub.cfg
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20:37<ais-admin>tgunr does the system boot?
20:42<ais-admin>or are you in a shell from a rescue disk or are you at an initramfs prompt?
20:44<ais-admin>the short answer to your question is 'cat /boot/grub/grub.cfg | grep uuid' which will list all the uuid's of anything grub thinks it can set to /
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20:46<ais-admin>then compare the listed uuid's to the ouput of 'blkid' to get the actual /dev names
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21:58<dolphin>wassup here?
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22:19<Ken>MX -17 Linux how to make mouse follow monitor arrangement?
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22:21<Ken>Right monitor DVI is the primary display, left monitor VGA secondary display. Mouse moves from right edge of right monitor to left edge of left monitor, and same when dragging windows.
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22:52<blackmax>linux下怎么翻墙?
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23:54-!-tomg is "*Unknown*" on #debian-offtopic @#debian-support #debian-next #debian
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23:57-!-claw is ",,," on #debian-lts #debian #debian-kde
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---Logclosed Sat Mar 31 00:00:09 2018