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#debian IRC Logs for 2018-04-09

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00:05<rob_debian>please, where can I get support for solving the google screen problem that requires me to show that I am not a robot, and have to use 'submit', clicking on screens on cars, roads, etc?
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00:05<rob_debian>I use firefox and chromium in debian for this purpose
00:06<rob_debian>I can't use the google search engine more, because of this process, which does not allow me to perform searches on google
00:06<rob_debian>please, how to proceed ?
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00:09<rob_debian>it has become a nightmare here
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01:50<slidinghorn>exit
01:50<slidinghorn>oops
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02:51<JOHNY>HI
02:52<blaztek>Hi Johnny
02:53<JOHNY>whats up?
02:54<blaztek>Not much
02:54<blaztek>You?
02:55<JOHNY>haha same here
02:55<JOHNY>where are you from bro?
02:56<blaztek>Indiana
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02:57<JOHNY>cool, me from India ;-)
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02:58<blaztek>Awesome!
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02:59<JOHNY>so why arent you sleeping bro?? its 2am or something there
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03:00<blaztek>I just woke up
03:00<blaztek>Going back to sleep soon
03:00<blaztek>Just not yet
03:01<JOHNY>oh okay . funny you woke up and opened up hx cht.?? just like me
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03:05<blaztek>Indeed
03:05<blaztek>Lol
03:05<Yst>Well that's annoying. Apparently, my backup nick is banned here for some reason.
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03:07<Yst>GPicView seems to be the default-installed image viewer (at least for the LXDE-based Debian system), but it doesn't handle animated images well. Does anyone have a better image viewer they could recommend?
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03:08<Yst>It's a bit clunky and inconvenient to always need to open GIFs on the local system in a Web browser.
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03:49<blaztek>Yst: Feh, Ristretto, Mirage, Nomacs
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03:54<jm_>feh doesn't animate it it seems, tried it after the question, also tried geeqie, same result
03:56<Yst>Ha ha, I just noticed that as well. I'm trying the second one, Ristretto, now.
03:56<blaztek>Animate you mean like a slideshow?
03:56<Yst>Much better.
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03:57<Yst>blaztek: No, like a single GIF image might have motion.
03:57<Yst>Like the picture is a short, no-sound video.
03:57<blaztek>Okay
03:58<blaztek>I see
03:58<Yst>Thanks for the help! Ristretto seems to work great.
03:59<blaztek>I’ll keep that in mind
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04:10<zxq9>Yst: I was going to recommend gwenview, but then I realized it depends on KDE libs, which is probably the kind of thing you're hoping to avoid installing if you're hardcore into LXDE.
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04:20<Yst>zxq9: I wouldn't say I'm a hardcore LXDE person. For the most part, I much prefer Xfce. That said, Xfce is way too strongly coupled to Thunar, and Thunar can't figure out how to sort files properly. I had to lose Xfce just to choose a better file manager.
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04:21<Yst>I'm not into KDE Plasma, but I don't mind KDE libraries if they get the job done.
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04:31<zxq9>I see. I've grown accustomed to KDE "after the change" so don't mind so much. The default KDE programs are quite nice, though I don't know if they would feel alien inside LXDE (I suppose it depends on how you have it set up).
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04:32<zxq9>Anyway, if you already have a KDE app or two installed, Gwenview is a pretty nice image viewer, and does animations quite well. It also plays movies, though how well it plays movies will depend on your graphics setup.
04:33<zxq9>(It is absolutely no replacement for VLC, of course.)
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04:35<blaztek>Yst: what would a good path for switching from Xfce to LXDE? Just purge and install?
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04:38<zxq9>You should be able to install LXDE next to it. The login manager should detect it, if not switch login managers or make the current one aware of the other available DM.
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04:40<blaztek>zxq9: that’s a better idea, yes
04:40<blaztek>Lightdm should pick it up
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04:47<blaztek>I’m doing it. LXDE alongside Xfce...
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04:52<Yst>blaztek: Not sure. I always reinstall the entire system when I switch desktops because Aptitude fails to remove all the little packages brought in as dependencies. Unless that's been fixed. Last I knew though, it was the only real way to remove all the garbage from the old desktop.
04:53<jm_>you can also ask dpkg the bot :)
04:53<jm_>!remove kde
04:53<dpkg>To remove or purge KDE: aptitude remove kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data libkdecore5. Use 'purge' instead of 'remove' if that's what you want (ask me about <purge>).
04:53<jm_>and so on
04:53<blaztek>!remove xfce4
04:54<jm_>doesn't seem to exist for that one (I know it's there for gnome)
04:54<Yst>I could try that next time. Last I knew though, removing those main packages didn't remove hardly any of the desktop's applications though. Everything just sort of stayed even after not depended upon any more.
04:55<blaztek>I know what you mean Yst
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04:56<Yst>I haven't had it as bad on Debian, but on a different system, it was pretty damaging to have a mixed desktop. It pretty much killed the notification system.
04:57<Yst>On Debian, I've only had it bloat the application menus, as far as I can recall.
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04:59<blaztek>I really like Debian 9. Xfce4 on it feels better than Linux Mint and Ubuntu.
05:00<Yst>I haven't used Linux Mint or Xubuntu in ages ... I wouldn't even be able to give a modern comparison. I do enjoy Debian 9 though.
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05:06<zxq9>Sometimes there are specific "style" preferences that govern things like single- VS double-click, notification bus signal, default applications, and hotkeys.
05:06<zxq9>Doing Unity and KDE at the same time has a weird conflict of that sort, because both share some style setting file defined by X.
05:07<zxq9>Anyway, depending on what you're doing installing two side-by-side is a good thing, and if you want to be really minimal and pure (which I used to care about years ago, but just don't anymore) then reinstalling is often the only way to know for sure, at least on a system with pre-built packages.
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05:11<Yst>I care less about purity and more about functionality. Except when it comes to licensing. Debian's fully-free repos are the reason I use this system. (I mean, I love Debian for a *multitude* of reasons, but the fact that it's the only system I know with a fully-free repo is the reason I'm here.)
05:13<zxq9>I used Gentoo for similar reasons initially -- now I use a combination for technical reasons.
05:14<zxq9>I wish I had time to try out some of the more exotic Debian flavors, like HURD. But there is no way I have enough time to explore it and push it enough to satisfy my curiosity. :-/
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05:16<zxq9>"Initially". Once Gentoo even came into existence, that is. I've been around this since before it had a name. Flavors come and go. The pining for pure licensing comes and goes also. Meh. It's all a scrabbled mess anyway, no matter what system you discuss.
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05:24<blathijs>Anyone recognize this behaviour? Since upgrading to Stretch some months ago, I notice that my terminals no longer refresh properly (especially when scrolling, sometimes an old line remains). Switching to another desktop and back seems to force a redraw an fixes this. This happens with both uxterm and stterm, making me suspect the windowing system (Wayland?) is the culprit, but I can't quite
05:24<blathijs>figure out where to look...
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05:37<zxq9>What terminal emulator?
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05:52<blathijs>zxq9: uxterm initially, then I switched to stterm to work around this issue, but it only became less frequent
05:52<jm_>haven't noticed that, but then again, xorg server here, not wayland
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05:58<zxq9>Hm. No idea. I've not messed with Wayland for years, before it was an actual option. No idea what might be giving you trouble. That said, in the old days a terminal emulator that was a half-line too large might not tell the terminal's shell environment that it is say 57 instead of 56 lines tall (or whatever), and so a CLS instruction might just clear 56 lines the brute-force way (with 56 newlines). Or whatever.
05:59<zxq9>"One final line doesn't clear" is usually a graphics (or terminal line) equivalent of a fencepost error.
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06:20<blathijs>jm_: I'm not even sure if I'm using wayland - I was running xorg before and just upgraded, but IIRC some ways to check if you're running wayland disagree on my system
06:21<blathijs>zxq9: It's not just the last line, also in mutt some updates halfway the screen get lost (but thinking on it, it seems only the *last* change is lost, when another change happens the next-to-last change is updated properly)
06:21<jm_>blathijs: just check pstree -l output
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06:24<blathijs>jm_: That does show Xwayland (under gnome-shell and indirectly gdm3-wayland-session). But loginctl show-session shows Type=x11, not Type=wayland...
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06:30<jm_>blathijs: I'm not familiary with wayland and what that would mean
06:30<blathijs>jm_: Me neither, hence my confusion :-)
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06:38<Boulder>i have quesion: im reading some old documentation. it says there exist one command called swapon/swapoff.
06:38<Boulder>but when i run it on debian strech, it says command not found
06:38<blathijs>Boulder: Those are two separate commands
06:39<blathijs>Boulder: They live in the "mount" package
06:39<Boulder>when i run which swapon, it shows nothing, why is that
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06:40<blathijs>Boulder: Running under sudo? It's in /sbin
06:40<Boulder>let me tryu
06:40<Boulder>let me try
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06:41<grove>Then you should see an error
06:41<Boulder>oh, interesting, now "which swapon" shows its path now.
06:41<Boulder>after i run su
06:42<jm_>swapon -s shows status
06:42<Boulder>why only root can see the path though, interesting
06:42<jm_>and yes it's in /sbin
06:42<jm_>(which is in PATH for root only by default)
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06:43<Boulder>thx!! @jm @grove
06:44<Boulder>im new to linux, thx for you guys help.
06:44<Boulder>i love debian
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07:27<kilolinux>I have to install debian netinst from scratch and at the time of setup I have to include the firmware for the usb network card to download the updated packages. I wanted to know if I create the usb pendrive with rufus, I have to create in the root the folder "firmware" and copy inside the file "firmware-atheros_20161130-3_all.deb" or must unpack it?
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07:29<petn-randall>!firmware installer
07:29<dpkg>Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See http://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/ch06s04 . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware . See also <firmware images>.
07:29<petn-randall>kilolinux: This is a much easier approach. ^^^
07:29<petn-randall>Also:
07:30<petn-randall>!rufus
07:30<dpkg>rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
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07:35<kilolinux>petn-randall is the procedure described above right?
07:36<kilolinux>I read it at http://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/ch06s04
07:36<petn-randall>kilolinux: Oh wait, wrong factoid.
07:36<petn-randall>!firmware images
07:36<dpkg>Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/ and ask me about <install guide>.
07:36<petn-randall>kilolinux: Just grab the ready-made firmware images here. ^^^
07:38<kilolinux>petn-randall I had already seen the ISO with embedded firmware, but I seem to have understood that they are not official images debian
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07:39<petn-randall>kilolinux: Well, they're just as unofficial as the firmware from the non-free section.
07:39<kilolinux>I would like to simply copy the file "/firmware/firmware-atheros_20161130-3_all.deb" into the main root
07:39<petn-randall>kilolinux: They're still hosted on the same infrastructure and also come signed like all the otherss.
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07:39<petn-randall>kilolinux: You can't, it's a ISO filesystem, that's readonly.
07:40<petn-randall>kilolinux: And even if, it's not where the installer would expect the firmware from.
07:40<kilolinux>after creating the bootable pendrive with rufus
07:41<petn-randall>kilolinux: Did you read the rufus factoid I gave you?
07:42<kilolinux>this? rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows....
07:42<petn-randall>kilolinux: Yes. Did you read it to the end?
07:43<kilolinux>petn-randall I'm going to eat, see you later...
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07:54<kilolinux>petn-randall are here
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07:55<kilolinux>petn-randall I said I always used rufus to create pendrive bootable, but if you tell me that damages the installer you make me doubt
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08:00<Blacker47>kilolinux must be a politican - he not answers the question :-)
08:02<kilolinux>when I tried to create the usb pendrive with netinst debian, with the following commands:
08:03<kilolinux>cp debian.iso /dev/sdb; sync
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08:04<kilolinux>opening gparted to see what he had created, the following message appeared to me: the driver descriptor says the physical block size is 2048 bytes but linux says it is 512 bytes
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08:55<kilolinux>with the command cp debian.iso /dev/sdb; sync appears the error message
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08:55<kilolinux>"partition(s) 1 on dev/sdb have been written, but we have been unable to inform the kernel of the change, probably because they/it are in use. As a result, the old partition(s) will remain in use. You should reboot now before making further changes"
08:56<kilolinux>should you use the win32diskimager software?
08:56<towo^work>kilolinux, are you sure, that stick wasn't mounted while you have copied the iso?
08:58<kilolinux>towo^work yes is not mounted
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08:59<kilolinux>towo^work I reset the pendrive first, creating the partition table only, then leaving it unallocated
08:59<towo^work>there is no need for creating a partition table
09:00<petn-randall>kilolinux: This also isn't an error that sync ever would throw. Are you sure it's not an error message from gparted?
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09:04<kilolinux>this is the errors https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/17mfIKhU2lgLAnMtDNGo7aJTgwBLEh4XT?usp=sharing
09:05<kilolinux>among other things, I would like to point out that the pendrive is 1GB and after the command "cp debian.iso / dev / sdb; sync" an unallocated space of 3.72GB appears
09:05<petn-randall>kilolinux: Are "sync" returns, just unplug and replug the drive. You won't necessarily have anything meaningful to inspect with gparted.
09:05<petn-randall>s/Are/After/
09:06<blast007>how large is the ISO?
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09:07<kilolinux>firmware-9.4.0-amd64-netinst.iso 340,8MB
09:07<blast007>k, just wanted to make sure it wasn't one of the DVD ISOs :)
09:08<kilolinux>blast007 I not understand
09:08<kilolinux>ops do not
09:09<blast007>I wanted to make sure you were using a CD ISO and not a DVD ISO, as a DVD ISO would be larger than 1GB
09:09<petn-randall>*net install iso
09:10<kilolinux>blast007 this is the path where I downloaded http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/9.4.0+nonfree/amd64/iso-cd/
09:11<blast007>yeah, the one you used is fine
09:14<kilolinux>for this first I talked about rufus because I had already experienced these error messages, but since petn-randall advises against using rufus because it damages the istallaler, should I use win32diskimager?
09:15<blast007>if you're preparing an installer USB on Windows, sure
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09:19<kilolinux>blast007 win32diskimager does not allow you to select the UEFI / GPT partition scheme as it does rufus?
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09:20<blast007>Debian's ISO can boot UEFI or legacy. Just use Win32DiskImager.
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09:21<kilolinux>blast007 Ok ;-)
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09:21<kilolinux>blast007 if instead I would like to create the pendrive boot from linux what do you recommend?
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09:29<petn-randall>kilolinux: You can use whatever you want for that, we just don't support any such thing for Debian images.
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09:32<kilolinux>petn-randall the cp command gives those errors, however
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09:33<towo^work>kilolinux, replace the stick, reboot linux, put the stick in and do the cp command
09:33<towo^work>kilolinux, don#t do anything with gparted before
09:35<kilolinux>towo^work already tried. Unfortunately gives me those errors when I try to write the isohybrid on pendrive
09:36<kilolinux>towo^work this is the situation that creates https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/17mfIKhU2lgLAnMtDNGo7aJTgwBLEh4XT
09:37<towo^work>no
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09:37<towo^work>you provide pictures of gparted
09:37<towo^work>no one want's to see pirctures of gparted
09:38<towo^work>do what's written, paste errors from the shell, if there are, no pictures needed
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09:39<kilolinux>towo^work in the shell there are no errors, gparted I open it just to see the partitions it creates
09:39<towo^work>kilolinux, don't use gparted
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09:40<towo^work>simply boot your pc from the stick
09:42<kilolinux>towo^work I understand what you mean, but it is also true that if the isohybrid has been copied correctly with gparted or fdisk it should display the partitions correctly
09:43<towo^work>isohybrid does not create really usuable partitions on a stick
09:44<kilolinux>towo^work and what he creates
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09:50<kilolinux>As for the image iso firmware-9.4.0-amd64-netinst.iso, you confirm me that apart from the additional firmware, the rest is similar to the official debian-9.4.0-amd64-netinst.iso?
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09:52<furrymcgee>no doubt
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10:06<kilolinux>an alternative would be to write the official debian-9.4.0-amd64-netinst.iso image with win32diskimager and then copy the firmware folder to the root?
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10:11<furrymcgee>mount the images and you will see
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10:16<blast007>kilolinux: I'd suggest reading the install guide which covers how to provide firmware files
10:16<blast007>!ig
10:16<dpkg>hmm... stretch installation guide is The Installation Guide for Debian 9 "Stretch" can be found at https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/installmanual . See also <errata> and <stretch release notes>.
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11:07<patrick>Hello, when I try to open weblinks in xfce4-terminal, it opens them in midori. But I've configured x-www-browser to open netsurf.
11:08<patrick>Other GTK programs, such as xchat which I'm typing from, open links in netsurf.
11:08<patrick>Does anyone know why xfce4-terminal insists on midori?
11:09<patrick>Also, I tried uninstalling midori, and now it just refuses to open links at all, giving "failed to open url: operation not supported" in an error message box
11:10<patrick>this is a very old and slow laptop (one of the original asus EeePCs) so I've only got a simple window manager installed, no desktop environment, so that might have something to do with it
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11:11<Blacker47>patrick: http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/exo/preferred-applications
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11:14<patrick>Blacker47, the information about XFCE's GUI for configuring preferred apps doesn't apply for me because I don't have XFCE installed, only xfce4-terminal. The page mentions exo-open, which I do have, and I tes
11:14<patrick>oops - pressed enter too soon, hold on
11:15<patrick>I do have the exo-open command, and if I run "exo-open http://test.com" it opens netsurf.
11:15<patrick>Which is pretty strange
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11:16<PatrickM2>(I'm the person with the xfce4-terminal problem)
11:18<Blacker47>then no idea. on the google-search i saw some threads on arch-board with tips like changing mime lists...
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11:20<PatrickM2>Ah right, I found out that I needed to run the "exo-preferred-applications" command, which opens a GUI which appears to be the XFCE4 menu for changing preferred applications, and after setting my web browser in that GUI, xfce4-terminal now opens links in it
11:21<PatrickM2>Your link sent me in the right direction
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11:21<PatrickM2>Thanks for the help
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11:30<PatrickM2>DBZ FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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11:31<PEB>well
11:31<PEB>that escalated quickly
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11:43<Jewel>HELLO
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12:19<sergej>hey
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12:42<Wendle>hi
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12:43<Wendle>anybody here?
12:43<blast007>lots of people
12:43<Wendle>oh
12:43<blast007>do you have a question about Debian Linux?
12:43<Wendle>n
12:44<Wendle>no just testing parrot os out
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12:49<Blacker47>!parrot
12:49<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
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13:04<tgunr>something is hanging up my debian box and I am not sure ho to track it down as almost anything to do with processes hangs. Like `ps axl' prints a long list then just hangs, as doe top, htop, etc. Any ideas on how to find out what is casuing this?
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13:17<EchoNation>Afternoon
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13:18<EchoNation>trying to get my Windows 10 PC to talk to my Newly Installed Debian 9
13:19<EchoNation>Debian 9 Server.. that is..
13:19<EchoNation>is there anyone here???
13:19<blast007>yes
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13:19<blast007>we're waiting for a question
13:19<EchoNation>from who? Me?
13:20<blast007>sure
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13:20<EchoNation>Ok just as I said... Trying to get into my Server via my Windows 10 PC..
13:21<blast007>getting your Windows 10 PC to "talk" to your Debian system is a very vague statement
13:21<EchoNation>I downloaded openvpn-install
13:21<blast007>as is "get into"
13:21<EchoNation>and installed it on my Debian..
13:22<grove>blast007: "get into" isn't particularly exact either
13:22<blast007>grove: which is what I said :)
13:23<furrymcgee>EchoNation: have you read https://wiki.debian.org/OpenVPN ?
13:23<EchoNation>ok.. if your going to down to me.. I'll go look on the endless Debian Pages that don't say a damn thing.. about anything
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13:23<blast007>!next
13:23<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
13:23<grove>blast007: Sorry, I got confused and thought you were the one asking - possibly because you both have green nicks
13:23<blast007>heh
13:24<annadane>i guess i'll piggyback on to this and ask if anyone has experience routing a commercial vpn through openvpn, what the general procedures are
13:24<blast007>VPN'ing through another VPN?
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13:25<annadane>well, as i understand it openvpn is just a framework or conduit, you'd need openvpn to get something like PIA working
13:25<blast007>are you just trying to use OpenVPN to connect to a commercial VPN?
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13:25<annadane>yeah, PIA specifically
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13:26<tgunr>PIA = Pain In Ass?
13:26<annadane>i've searched the internet before but didn't really come up with answers, though i may need to just research properly
13:26<annadane>no, private internet access :P
13:26<tgunr>:)
13:27<tgunr>I did hook up to PIA once, results were not satissfying
13:27<annadane>i haven't tried contacting PIA yet, they may be able to answer this better
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13:27<tgunr>IRC for one would not work on some channels
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13:28<annadane>probably because the ip addess was banned
13:28<annadane>but no, to my understanding you can't just "use openvpn" unless you have a specific machine to connect to, it's not like tor where everyone becomes part of the entrance/exit nodes
13:28<annadane>so the idea is to use openvpn to connect to PIA, i'm not even sure if it's the proper solution
13:29<blast007>annadane: https://helpdesk.privateinternetaccess.com/hc/en-us/articles/219438247-Installing-OpenVPN-PIA-on-Linux
13:29<jhutchins_wk>annadane: Since VPN can be either a client or a server, perhaps a little more detail?
13:29<blast007>(I just searched for 'openvpn linux' on their support area)
13:30<annadane>jhutchins_wk, well, i'm simply looking for a traditional vpn usage, so... server? i don't know
13:30<tgunr>annadane It was not a banned IP, I could not join certain channels here on freenode
13:30<annadane>blast007, yeah, i'm stupid
13:30<tgunr>as am i, can we join some club?
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13:32<jhutchins_wk>tgunr: Certain channels may ban known anonomising networks.
13:32<tgunr>hmm, ok that could have been, but I asked the op on that channel why, and he could not figure it out, nor could PIA
13:34<jhutchins_wk>It's not uncommon to see TOR banned.
13:34<jhutchins_wk>tgunr: Not all ops know all of the rules.
13:34<tgunr>yep, but IRC?
13:35<tgunr>yes again, maybe a short between the headset?
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13:35<jhutchins_wk>Pretty sure I've seen TOR bans on a per-channel basis.
13:36<blast007>some channels also require that you connect with SSL or block unregistered users
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13:59<admr>who is here
14:00<annadane>admr, lots of people
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14:00<admr>что это за чат вообще...
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14:02<jhutchins_wk>!ru
14:02<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
14:02<blast007>they already left
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14:41<j0z>hi yo
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15:00<scapulex>hi guys, who knows how i can download the tor browser or get connected to the tor per say. it has been giving me the response tcp:17.0.0.1;9050 cant connect ...
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15:10<jhutchins_wk>!tor
15:10<dpkg>The Onion Router (Tor) is a low-latency anonymous communication system. Packaged for Debian, only enables the onion proxy by default. For use on OFTC, ask me about <oftc tor>. Tor is not allowed on freenode's #debian (http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#tor), ask me about <tor-sasl>. https://torproject.org/ #tor on irc.oftc.net.
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15:12<Yst>scapulex: You could run "sudo aptitude install tor", then configure Firefox to use it if you're unable to download the Tor Browser Bundle.
15:14<Yst>I hate FAT so much. My mobile died on me a while back, so I've been using a junk mobile as my music player. But this junk mobile refuses to use CD cards formatted as ext4. Just about every time I make a major change to my library, the FAT file system breaks and I have to wipe the SD card and start over.
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15:24<jhutchins_wk>Yst: Is it a windows phone?
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15:40<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>Occasionally when I run apt update I am not allowed to upgrade. It says something about a directory being locked. The only way I have found to get around that is to reboot. Is there a process I can kill that will allow me to upgrade in this situation?
15:40<Yst>jhutchins_wk: No, it's an Android.
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15:42<Yst>ElToro-Y-ElCuernos: Huh. That's really odd. When I reboot during that sort of error, I get locked out of updating or installing packages entirely until I find and remove the lock file or I reinstall the system.
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15:42<blast007>ElToro-Y-ElCuernos: it might be that another updater is running (either updating the package repository or doing actual package upgrades). For instance, I believe that Gnome has an update notifier that would have to update the package lists.
15:42<Yst>ElToro-Y-ElCuernos: I'll look up the file you need to remove, but you should be *very* sure no package managers are running when you remove it.
15:43<Yst>Oh, I didn't know there were automatic package list updaters.
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15:43<Yst>Don't just delete the file then.
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15:44<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>blast007 do you mean synaptic could be running while I am manually updating with the terminal?
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15:45<Yst>ElToro-Y-ElCuernos: That would do it, yes.
15:45<Yst>You can't use multiple package managers at once.
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15:46<Yst>If they both tried to make changes at the same time, the combined result could break stuff, so package managers lock up that directory when they're in use to prevent other package managers from starting to be safe.
15:46<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>I will look into what settings are enabled in synaptic Thanks:)
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15:46<gabriel29121993>hello friends someone know haw to instal mac os?
15:47<dboles>this channel is about getting help using debian, no idea how installing mac os is relevant
15:47<gabriel29121993>oh ok im sorry
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15:51<jhutchins_wk>Yst: You might try ext2 or 3.
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15:53<Yst>jhutchins_wk: Alright, I'll try when I get a chance. My good mobile accepted ext4 but not ext2 or ext3, so I didn't even try those two on the junk mobile.
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16:03<jhutchins_wk>Android is supposed to support any filesystem supported by the Linux kernel (which is pretty much everything), but a version based on an older kernel might not have ext4.
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16:05<drakonis>to be honest
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16:06<Yst>jhutchins_wk: You want to know the *really* wacky part about how Android is implemented? The internal storage ie ext<something>. Android just refuses to support the same in *external* storage.
16:06<drakonis>none of them are old enough to lack ext4
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16:06<Yst>It's not that the kernel support isn't there. It's that Google wants FAT (and probably NTFS) used for SD cards.
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16:07<Yst>The only reason my old device supported ext4 SD cards was because it ran a fork of a fork of Android, not Android proper.
16:08<lavamind>after setting up a chroot environment for user "foo", what's a proper way to allow "foo" to use a crontab
16:08<lavamind>the environment is set up using debootstrap
16:08<drakonis>every version has support for ext4 lol
16:08<drakonis>a shame it isn't the default option but who cares
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16:09<Yst>drakonis: Not on SD cards. I format SD cards as ext4 on Debian, move them to the mobile, and the mobile complains that the filesystem is unsupported.
16:10<Yst>I actually built a script for renaming my music files because I can't get Android to take my ext4 SD cards.
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16:11<Yst>So "Are You Having Fun?.ogg", et cetera, can't be transferred directly because FAT hates question marks.
16:11<Yst>(I'll be back in a bit.)
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16:18<jhutchins_wk>Pretty much every version of Android is a "fork".
16:19<jhutchins_wk>lavamind: Some version of cron should be running within the chroot, the user should be able to edit their crontab.
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16:21<lavamind>jhutchins_wk: well there's no init system within the chroot, you mean I should create a cron service specifically for the chroot ?
16:21<jhutchins_wk>lavamind: What is it you want the cron job to do?
16:22<lavamind>jhutchins_wk: things like a wordpress (or other webapp) cron job
16:23<lavamind>I know there are usually other ways for webapps to trigger their cron tasks but "foo" is a student and needs to learn :)
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16:27<treaki>hi folks
16:27<treaki>hope ive reached the right place, official debian channel, for that issue and someone is there to help me
16:27<treaki>thanks in advance
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16:27<treaki>situation, i need to install debian on some embedded x86 box
16:27<annadane>this is indeed the right place
16:28<treaki>(alonge to an windows ce (dualboot))
16:28<treaki>that shouldnt be altered
16:28<treaki>i have been able to boot some proprietary linux into ram only mode using a tool that can boot linux out of the windows ce gui
16:28<treaki>now i am in there
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16:29<treaki>and i am trying debootstrap
16:29<treaki>but...
16:29<drakonis_>say what
16:29<jhutchins_wk>lavamind: Drupal/WP maintenance scripts used to get triggered by a cron job calling a URL with curl or wget, these days I think they're externally scheduled.
16:29<drakonis_>why not install linux and then run it off a usermode vm
16:29<drakonis_>run windows ce
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16:30<drakonis_>how old is this hardware btw
16:30<treaki>http://paste.debian.net/1019471/
16:30<jhutchins_wk>lavamind: If you figure it out, share, there are a lot of questions about that on the web and few answers.
16:30<treaki>its some intel pentium
16:30<treaki>http://paste.debian.net/1019472/
16:31<drakonis_>do you have enough disk space
16:31<lavamind>jhutchins_wk: will do, thanks
16:31<treaki>guess that should answere any hardware questions
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16:31<treaki>root@PartedMagic:/target# df -h
16:31<treaki>Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
16:31<treaki>of cause i have ;)
16:32<lavamind>jhutchins_wk: I know that with Gandi PaaS they cater for anacrontabs only, no crontabs, maybe I should investigate that instead
16:32<treaki> /dev/sda5 27G 131M 26G 1% /target
16:32<treaki>(missed that line)
16:32<drakonis_>okay neat
16:33<treaki>i guess because i just pulled the debootstrap .deb and extracted it i miss something
16:34<treaki>is there some portable static build deboootstrap tar to extract and run anywhere no matter what userland is around (just needs linux and some shell but nothing else)
16:34<drakonis_>it just needs wget
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16:34<treaki>or do i need to go manually through any dependencies and extract them?
16:34<treaki>but why dose it stop there
16:34<treaki>?
16:34<treaki>root@PartedMagic:~# ls /target
16:34<treaki>debootstrap lost+found stretch var
16:34<treaki>root@PartedMagic:~#
16:35<treaki>thats not what i want..., i want a complete system where i only have to install kernel and grub to finish it ...
16:35<drakonis_>wait
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16:35<treaki>maybe i should extract some debian installer and chroot in there to chroot from there into /target ??
16:35<drakonis_>why are you doing it using partedmagic?
16:35<treaki>or is there a better way?
16:36<drakonis_>debootstrap shouldn't have issues though
16:36<treaki>cause it loads into ram completely and dose support the touch screen of that device to be able to enable ssh
16:36<drakonis_>don't you have a keyboard?
16:36<treaki>ok, but i have them (see first paste)
16:37<treaki>i only have an system with touch and ethernet, no way ill open up that case and search for usb or so...
16:37<treaki>i am a software gui that knows that hell propably distroy any hardware that he touches ;()
16:38<treaki>so i need to do it from there
16:38<treaki>i guess if you cant suggest any methode to fix that debootstrap run ill try to extract debian installlers initrd...
16:38<blaztek>treaki: a, what’s it called, netboot install maybe?
16:39<treaki>the bios dosent support the display
16:39<treaki>so the first thing i see is windows ce
16:39<blaztek>Oh
16:39<treaki>so no way booting into anything else but using that ce app that works like linboot for ms dos
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16:40<drakonis_>this hardware is old hmm
16:40<treaki>yes
16:40<drakonis_>i'm pretty sure you have a problem here
16:40<drakonis_>its not retrieving the files
16:41<treaki>and the only thing i need debian for is to boot in once a month and do a backup
16:41<treaki>right now its done manually using parted magic
16:41<drakonis_>just validating i guess
16:41<treaki>but we want to do it by itself...
16:41<treaki>thats the purpose of the debian install ;)
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16:42<treaki>its some embeded comercial pc based hardware that is not 100% pc compatible and the manufacture shouldnt know anything about it ;)
16:42<treaki>(they dosent support our backup strategie so i am here to build one on my own)
16:43<drakonis_>its not downloading the damn packages
16:43<treaki>my boss has already agreed but now it isnt working as expected
16:43<drakonis_>you're sure its the latest debian binary right?
16:43<drakonis_>also do you have wget
16:43<drakonis_>you need wget
16:43<treaki>(i have used debootstrap earlyer only from debian based systems and thought it would work like that on others to, but it isnt)
16:44<treaki>yea
16:44<treaki>i have downloaded debootstrap using wget
16:44<treaki>mom
16:44<drakonis_>because otherwise it just silently fails
16:45<treaki>no wait, it was downloaded by firefox
16:45<drakonis_>go get the wget binary
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16:45<treaki>root@PartedMagic:~/Downloads# ls
16:45<treaki>wget
16:45<treaki>debootstrap_1.0.89_all.deb
16:45<treaki>root@PartedMagic:~/Downloads# wget
16:45<treaki>BusyBox v1.19.4 (2012-03-09 19:25:33 CST) multi-call binary.
16:45<treaki>its busybox wget
16:45<treaki>is that enough or do i need a gnu one?
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16:46<treaki> 9++++++++++++++++++
16:46<treaki>sry
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16:46<drakonis_>its enough vOv
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16:47<treaki>ok
16:47<treaki>so how do i debug this problem?
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16:47<drakonis_>wait you have to pay for this thing?
16:47<treaki>ya
16:48<treaki>yea
16:48<treaki>its a payed embeded system
16:48<drakonis_>partedmagic is just a linux burnt into a flash drive lol
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16:48<treaki>and some payed supporter that wasent an official one (of the company of that embedded system) has once installed that parted magic boot from win ce
16:48<treaki>i dont know how but it is working
16:49<drakonis_>i don't get it
16:49<drakonis_>also i'd rather use systemrescuecd instead but alright
16:49<treaki>yes thats the thing, its an directory on the windows ce cf card that boots from windows ce into the ram and dosent need any disk access after boot
16:50<treaki>yea, but its quite complicated to change that
16:50<drakonis_>run debootstrap with -v
16:50<drakonis_>the command as usual with -v for verbose
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16:50<treaki>(have to drive to another building and replugin power cord if i fail)
16:50<treaki>so i really would like to do it from the currently installed system and dont change anything on the windows ce partition
16:51<treaki>but only on sda5 and sda6 (swap) and mbr
16:51<treaki>everything else should be untouched
16:51<drakonis_>just run the command please
16:51<drakonis_>--verbose rather
16:51<treaki>so ill now installing a vm where ill try out how to extract files from debian installer into ramdisk of parted magic
16:51<drakonis_>good god
16:51<treaki>ok, ill do try that
16:52<treaki>thanks so for and for the understanding of that nasty situation i am ;)_
16:52<drakonis_>it'll tell you what's broken
16:52<treaki>command started, system is slow so itll take some time
16:53<drakonis_>is wget downloading anything?
16:54<drakonis_>also
16:54<drakonis_>did you mount the partition
16:54<treaki>yea
16:54<treaki>of cause its mounted
16:54<drakonis_>run this inside the mounted partition lol
16:54<treaki>and as you can see from my first paste...
16:54<drakonis_>otherwise you'll fill up memory
16:54<treaki>http://paste.debian.net/1019471/
16:54<treaki>... there its again
16:55<treaki>its downloading a lot and then it starts the first extract and quits without any feedback why
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16:56<treaki>its a whole lot work to check the dependencies again and again for that pentium...
16:56<treaki>i cant see any differences with --verbose:
16:57<treaki>http://paste.debian.net/1019473/
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16:58<treaki>lookes like its not a wget problem but an extracting /deb file processing problem
16:58<treaki> --verbose don't turn off the output of wget
16:58<treaki>but wget is still done with all of them
16:58<drakonis_>its because
16:58<drakonis_>its already done
16:58<drakonis_>i ran it again and it outputted the same results
16:59<treaki>but youve seen the content of /target
17:00<treaki>ls /target
17:00<treaki>debootstrap lost+found stretch var
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17:00<treaki>where is bin root usr and all other things debootstrap should have created?
17:00<drakonis_>you're also doing chroot wrong
17:00<drakonis_>you don't chroot into target
17:00<drakonis_>you chroot into stretch
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17:01<treaki>root@PartedMagic:~/Downloads# cd /target/stretch/
17:01<treaki>root@PartedMagic:/target/stretch# ls
17:01<treaki>root@PartedMagic:/target/stretch#
17:01<treaki>but there is nothing either...
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17:02<treaki>and if i remember right <target> means that is the root file system
17:02<treaki>so i shoud chroot into /target and not /target/xyz
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17:03<treaki>there is also still var like it is on unix system root filesystem structures...
17:03<treaki>so another thing that speaks for root is /target
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17:04<drakonis_>by the way
17:05<drakonis_>when you do deboostrap like this, you're running the binary in your shell path not the one in the folder
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17:05<treaki>right
17:05<treaki>how should i run debootstrap in something that is not existing yet...
17:06<treaki>my goal is to get debootstrap working propably (creating debian root structure) on that enviorment
17:06<treaki>how, i dont care
17:06<treaki>(and i am not a student but just some worksmen...)
17:07<treaki>so my language isnt that correct as it is if i had studied operating system design like tannenbaum dose lecturers but did a lot of learing by doing...
17:07<treaki>also my english is not very good
17:07<treaki>so sorry if that all leads to misunderstandings
17:08<treaki>so the best is ill paste you what the shell outputs and you see from the output that it dosent did what it is suposed to do and what i could enter to get it done ;)
17:08<treaki>sry
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17:08<treaki>but without any other idea i am cuntinuing building up the vm...
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17:12<drakonis_>try running the latest debootstrap binary with ./debootstrap in the directory it is on
17:13<drakonis_>or try bootstrapping an older release, i don't know
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17:23<drakonis>okay look, i don't know how old this image you're running partedmagic is
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17:28<treaki>so
17:28<drakonis>so i have no idea
17:28<treaki>vm is running, ill now enable some remote access...
17:28<treaki>isnt it the latest?
17:30<Yst>jhutchins: Yeah, every Android version has a fork, but this junk mobile is too locked down to accept a system installation.
17:31*treaki hates portforwardings...
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17:31<Yst>It's stuck with the default system. It works because I use the think *only* as a music player, but it'd never be trustworthy for use as an actual mobile device.
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17:34<treaki>so than i have to punch also that firewall...
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17:36<treaki>http://79.223.105.127:6080/vnc.html?host=79.223.105.127&port=6080&password=viewonly
17:36<treaki>there we are
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17:36<treaki>are you able to access that?
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17:37<treaki>drakonis ?
17:38<drakonis>hmm
17:38<drakonis>hi
17:38<drakonis>oh lord
17:38<drakonis>that's old
17:38<treaki>yea
17:38<treaki>its just a quick and dirty work togeter solution
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17:39<treaki>i can do more if you need
17:39<drakonis>yikesss this is an old image
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17:39<treaki>its not the image itself
17:39<treaki>its a enviorment on my working system that telnets into the vm
17:39<treaki>i just started bare xterm with nothing else
17:39<treaki>if you like another terminal just tell me and ill install and start it
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17:41<treaki>right now its the view only password, you can change it to that one given via private message to gain control
17:41<treaki>no what was that link
17:41<treaki>ok ill put it up
17:41<treaki>its not the same system
17:41<treaki>wait ill push it over...
17:41<treaki>where is my sftp client...
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17:44<drakonis>i'm having a bad bad time right now
17:45<drakonis>i gotta leave already, got work to do, sorry
17:45<treaki>what can i change
17:45<treaki>wait ill give you a wm first
17:45<drakonis>i have to walk to work lol
17:45<treaki>there its not that bare anymore ;)
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17:46<treaki>so now i sftp'ed it over
17:47<treaki>there
17:47<treaki>it is
17:47<treaki>ill forward you a mirror, mom
17:48<treaki>or just the whole internet...
17:48<treaki>where is the router proxy feature??
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17:50<treaki>should be http/https proxy...
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17:50<treaki>what was that env variable?
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17:52<treaki>this wget dose not support https using proxy
17:52<treaki>but now it should work
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17:55<treaki>there we are
17:58<treaki>sry bad internet connection...
17:59<treaki>please tell me if you send me a pm and i missed it
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17:59<treaki><drakonis> i don't get it, why not use the installer
17:59<treaki>because the guy who enabled windows ce to boot linux isnt me
17:59<treaki>and i have not the slightest clue about windows ce
18:00<treaki>so i dont like to try to fiddle around on that system with it and i dont have a windows ce installation here to test it out
18:00<treaki>its a productive system
18:00<treaki><drakonis> i'll try something real quick, as i have to leave soon
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18:00<treaki>thanks for your help so far
18:00<treaki>maybe someone else could check in and help, ill leaf the view only link up and running
18:00<treaki>if you want to watch
18:02<treaki>now it lookes like it is stuck...
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18:06<treaki>and without iotop and a cpu near 0%
18:06<treaki>i dont know...
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18:24<treaki>thanks for all your help
18:24<treaki>lookes like ive solved it using --extractor=ar
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18:24<treaki>now its installing the base system ;)
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20:36<morpheus>Hi dpkg, why dont you tell me about whats new in the kernel?
20:36<morpheus>:)
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21:20<lavamind>morpheus: https://kernelnewbies.org/LinuxChanges
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