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#debian IRC Logs for 2018-04-13

---Logopened Fri Apr 13 00:00:27 2018
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00:04-!-jc is "bug" on #debian
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00:05-!-thomasm is "toor" on #debian
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00:16-!-txgvnn is "txgvnn" on #openup #tor #debian-vn #debian
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00:17-!-Darcidride_ is "Quentin" on #ceph #debian #debian-boot #debian-gnome #debian-next #gcc #observium #osm #ovirt #qemu #virt
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00:37-!-txgvnn is "txgvnn" on #openup #tor #debian-vn #debian
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00:40-!-jm_ is "." on #debian #debian-ops
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00:57-!-knowledgejunkie is "Nick Morrott" on #debian #debian-perl
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00:58-!-gtristan is "Tristan Van Berkom" on #kernelnewbies #qemu #debian #ninja-build #debian-next #reproducible-builds
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01:56-!-yarn2ziguro is "Debian Live user" on #debian
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01:57-!-Q-Master^Work is "Vladimir Berezenko" on #debian #debian-next #debianppc
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03:24-!-Snythea^ is "Snythea-" on #c++ #debian #debian-it #freenode #i2p #oftc #packaging #tor-bots
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03:55<Boulder>question pls: Im reading http://www.tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/config-init.html It says "When it starts up, init reads the /etc/inittab configuration file." but when i run "man init", it gives me the man for systemd. and where can i find the config file for this command pls?
03:55<Boulder>thank you for you guys time, im still learning linux. im running debian 9.4
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03:57<jm_>what you read on the TLDP site is true if you still use sysv based init with debian, systemd itself moved inittab functionality to other files
03:58<annadane>http://www.tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/revision-hist.html it's never stated when the latest revision is but given 0.8 it can be assumed it's years old
03:59<Boulder>jm_: in the man systemd, it says " systemd interprets the configuration file system.conf and the files in system.conf.d directories", anyone knows where to find these config files? and why the man does not says the path for them, i thought the man should be info wise complete
04:00<jm_>Boulder: it's in /etc/systemd, but it also reads from elsewhere
04:01<Boulder>annadane: yes, its old, but i felt it is well explaining everything, and i did not find a better one. you know any administration guide book specifically for debian 9.4?
04:01<Boulder>jm_: thx!!!!!!!!!
04:01<annadane>!handbook
04:01<dpkg>The Debian Administrator's Handbook is at http://debian-handbook.info/ and can be browsed, bought and downloaded. From Debian 7 "Wheezy" onwards, it can also be installed from the debian-handbook package. Also ask me about <books> <docs>. PDF at https://debian-handbook.info/download/stable/debian-handbook.pdf
04:01<annadane>though that's for 7
04:02<annadane>8*
04:02<Boulder>jm_: why not the man does not specify the location then, strange....
04:02<annadane>(most of it is still accurate)
04:02<annadane>!tell Boulder about newcomer
04:02<Boulder>annadane: oh thx!
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04:03<Boulder>dpkg: thx!
04:03<dpkg>THX (R), the next generation surround sound, developed by a George Lucas company. (mplayer is not certified), or just say "Thanks"
04:03<jm_>Boulder: it does, it says See systemd-system.conf(5) for more information. -- so man systemd-system.conf
04:03<annadane>^ a bot, not a person. :)
04:03<annadane>not you, jm. :(
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04:07<Boulder>jm_: oh, nice! sorry im new to linux. btw, one more question, is there any documentation about how to properly read man? or maybe man page is already the simplest thing in linux, there is no other documentation to explain it?
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04:07<annadane>"man man"
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04:07<annadane>(seriously. it gives the codes and everything)
04:07<Boulder>annadane: thank you :)
04:08<jm_>Boulder: as mentioned above, man man, it allows you to use a different viewer, see info about PAGER in the man page
04:08<Boulder>jm_: thx!
04:08<annadane>but basically, i'm not sure there's a hard and fast rule, typically you have a large section dedicated to arguments/options and then perhaps examples near the end
04:08<jm_>no problem
04:08<annadane>but it's not mandatory to make them all the same way
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04:10<jm_>Boulder: some other tools would make it slightly easier to read, i.e. pinfo for tty, for the web there's dwww and so on
04:10<jm_>emacs too probably
04:11<jm_>ohh totally forgot - there's also http://manpages.debian.net
04:11<jm_>.org even
04:11<annadane>man pages are really a bit too verbose to "figure out what a program does", you can typically find that kind of information on github or the upstream authors' website
04:12<annadane>it's more of a reference
04:12<Boulder>oh nice, thank you for you guys time, appreciate it.
04:12<annadane>and i guess there's also "info"
04:13<annadane>if you man man and scroll to "Description" (near the top) it gives you certain codes with emphases in the man pages, and they are meant to be used in the form: man number foo
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05:33<PaulePanter>Hi. Who to contact in case auf
05:33<PaulePanter>*of
05:33<PaulePanter>Get:47 http://deb.debian.org/debian-debug unstable-debug/contrib i386 Packages 2018-04-12-2024.39.pdiff [2,285 B]
05:33<PaulePanter>0% [Connecting to deb.debian.org]
05:33<PaulePanter>`sudo apt update` sits there since several minutes.
05:34<PaulePanter>`host deb.debian.org` cannot be resolved.
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05:39<Tapioco71>hi
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05:44<duclicsic>PaulePanter: it resolves fine for me
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05:49<PaulePanter>duclicsic: Understood. I hard coded the IP for now. Maybe I have time to debug it later.
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07:34<Djomobil>Hi all
07:35<Djomobil>I search an expert of iptables and docker for some help
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07:38<Djomobil>I've a docker on ip 172.17.0.3 port : 8000 network bridge, i've install nginx proxy pass to 127.0.0.1:8000 but i can't communicate with it
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07:41<Djomobil>nobody can help ?
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09:27<msuarc>hello
09:28<msuarc>anyone home?
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09:29<pastly>msuarc: if you have a question, it's best to just ask it.
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09:30<msuarc>new to debian ....best place to learn how to install packages
09:31<pastly>With the package manager, apt
09:31<pastly>!apt
09:31<dpkg>Advanced Packaging Tool (APT) is a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, notably apt-get, apt-cache, and aptitude and, from Debian 8 "Jessie" onwards, apt. See also <aptitude> <apt-get>, <apt-cache>, <apt myths>.
09:32<msuarc>tnx...i'll look
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10:00<PaulePanter>duclicsic: It was the stupid IPS of our network provider blocking DNS queries.
10:01*PaulePanter really does not like such appliances. They are just trouble enhancement layers.
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11:06<mondzo>Hello if i have vps with
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11:06<mondzo>D9 can i run desktop applikation ? how can i run direct desktop ? (progam)
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11:08<grove>by "D9" do you mean "debian 9"?
11:08<abcd>clear
11:10<mondzo_>Yes
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11:10<grove>If you have X on your desktop you can just use `ssh -X` when logging in to your vps, then windows should get forwarded, but why do you want to, in most cases there are better ways to achieve whatever you're really trying to accomplish
11:10<grove>!xy
11:10<dpkg>Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem
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11:11<tlgl>running stretch and trying to get steam installed via synaptic last time steam is listed as i386 so i had to do something to the apt source list to view i386 items but i am not sure what to do can anybody help me
11:13<grove>Enable multiarch
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11:13<grove>!multiarch
11:13<dpkg>Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See http://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch and <multiarch howto>, <multiarch failures>. For the unrelated installer that can install i386 or amd64, see <multi-arch installer>.
11:13<mondzo>Ok , i have game server in UNITY and Unity engine is only Form not terminal program :/ and i must have visible effect
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11:16<tlgl>ty very much that worked and so much easier than changing my lists in nano
11:16<tda>is there a way to open an email from the way it is stored in postfix so that it looks like it would in thunderbird?
11:16<grove>mondzo: I know people working at unity, but apart from that I don't know much related to it. But I still fail to see why you want to run a desktop app on your vps
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11:20<tda>so the vps can run graphical apps, probably because they don't have headless more or good headless equivalent
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11:22<tda>or the vps is being used to get around censorship, ip blocks, geofencing, etc...
11:22<mondzo>Is there any program that will show it to me when running?
11:24<tda>to clarify my question, how do i open a file in maildir format so that it looks like it would in thunderbird?
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11:25<mondzo>yes if you can
11:25<grove>tda: For getting around ip restructions I would recommend using the vps as a SOCKS proxy and running the programs locally
11:26<grove>s/ru/ri/
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11:27<tda>also valid and much more flexible, but it is more difficult to set up
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11:28<tlgl>i have a problem been trying to get eve online working. The launcher is in linux native finally got it working. It downloads a custom wine binary. Installed every wine and dev package i could find in apt. After installing steam it now launches wine but th just closes. Is there anyway of seeing what error it is getting because it stops showing errors when the native sh script runs
11:28<grove>But as mondzo talked about unity that doesn't seem relevant
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11:37<susi>hallo
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11:42<jhutchins_wk>!wine
11:42<dpkg>[wine] ine (Wine Is Not an Emulator) is an application intended to allow execution of Microsoft Windows programs on Unix-like operating systems. Application compatibility database: http://appdb.winehq.org/ .https://wiki.debian.org/Wine http://wiki.winehq.org/HowTo http://wiki.winehq.org/FAQ #winehq on irc.freenode.net. See <mmap_min_addr> regarding use of Win16 binaries. See also <newer wine>.
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11:44<jhutchins_wk>tlgl: You have about a 30% chance that any given Windows app will run under wine this week.
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11:49<mondzo>Good bye
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11:50<tda>is there a email client that supports local maildir and mbox?
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12:01<bremner>mutt?
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12:04<jhutchins_wk>tda: alpine
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12:09<abcd>Hello! I started a Debian Live system, and now I want to use root terminal. What is the root password?
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12:12<sney>abcd: I haven't used debian live in a long time so I'm not sure, but I think that root account is only accessible via sudo. e.g. 'sudo -i'
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12:14<abcd>Thank you sney
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12:24<abcd>I can't get fdisk on my live system...
12:24<abcd>I have tried sudo apt search fdisk
12:25<abcd>After installing each package available, noone had fdisk inside.l
12:25<sney>it's in util-linux
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12:25<abcd>sney, I already have the newest version
12:26<sney>then it's just not in your PATH. try /sbin/fdisk
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12:26<abcd>sney, it worked. What is sbin?
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12:27<sney>!fhs
12:27<dpkg>Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard, or "man hier".
12:27<abcd>Thanks, I will check this later
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12:29<tlgl>im having a problem with trying to install the lastest version via apt after adding the deb to sources list here is the error i get http://paste.debian.net/1020140/
12:29<tlgl>of wine
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12:37<abcd>Hello. It's me again.
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12:37<abcd>I'm trying to run fsck, but it ends the moment I start it
12:38<abcd>It should not be that quick for a 135GB partition
12:38<sney>tlgl: third party repos are not supported here, but at a guess, you were supposed to replace DISTRO with your actual distro codename, e.g. stretch
12:38<abcd>It just says, "/dev/sda4 clear, <number> files,<number> blocks"
12:38<abcd>clean*
12:38<sney>is that partition mounted?
12:39<abcd>sney, I ran umount first, and it said it's not mounted
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12:40<sney>look in 'man e2fsck' for extended options, but since ext3/4 are journaling filesystems, what is happening is the filesystem is reporting to fsck that there are no problems so it's just exiting on a success
12:40<sney>I think -f is the option to check anyway
12:42<abcd>Thanks sney
12:42<abcd>Saved me again
12:42<abcd>I tried "man fsck" before, but it's "man e2fsck" s
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12:43<tlgl>ooooh lmao
12:44<tlgl>ok cause i asked in winehq and nobody was home
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13:20<agtonybarletta>hi, i ve a problem with login loop
13:21<dboles>which means what? you log in then it restarts? you log in then it logs you out? you can't even log in because it restarts before that?
13:21<agtonybarletta>i tried to install Nvidia drivers but it didnt work, so i deleted
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13:22<agtonybarletta>when i type the correct password it go to an empty screen for a sec and then ask me the psw again
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13:22<agtonybarletta>i read online that could be the full memory
13:22<dboles>how did you "delete" the nvidia drivers?
13:22<agtonybarletta>but df -h seems ok
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13:23<agtonybarletta>apt-get --purge nvidia-*
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13:24<agtonybarletta>i changed the owner od /home/user folder but didnt work as well
13:24<dboles>did you do the rest of this? https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Backing_out_in_case_of_failure
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13:26<agtonybarletta>no, i'm going to try now
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13:29<agtonybarletta>didn't work
13:30<agtonybarletta>when i do apt reinstall it gives me a lot of error
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13:30<vijay>hi
13:31<dboles>put them on a pastebin then link it here
13:31<vijay>r any real people here??
13:31<dboles>!ask
13:31<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
13:32<dboles>this is a support room, not a chat
13:33<vijay>thanks!!
13:33<agtonybarletta>sorry what is pastebin ? however the problem is that could not resolve deb.debian
13:33<agtonybarletta>deb.debian.org
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13:34<agtonybarletta>i do not have a eth connectio
13:34<vijay>i have a problem when i installed parrot os along side with windows 10 in uefi it keeps on showing error intiramsfc everytime i logon back to parrot os
13:34<dboles>agtonybarletta: a paste bin is a generic term for a site where you can paste long pieces of text like error messages then link people in chats like irc to them (instead of pasting tonnes of lines directly)
13:34<dboles>vijay: maybe that is a problem that is relevant to debian too, but:
13:35<dboles>!parrot
13:35<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
13:35<agtonybarletta>i tried to connect with the wifi but seems not working
13:35<dboles>so it sounds like you have multiple problems and would need to fix that one before you can check the rest of the uninstallation guide
13:37<agtonybarletta>https://ibb.co/hyZau7
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13:38<vijay>dboles even i tried ubuntu problem same
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13:39<vijay>but when i run windows 7 alongside on 32 bit it doesnt give any problem
13:39<dboles>"it keeps on showing error intiramsfc" is not a problem description. what error, precisely, and what else happens? can you log in? or do you get that error before any login prompt? or something else?
13:40<vijay>it get error before login
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13:40<dboles>*what* error
13:40<dboles>exactly
13:40<agtonybarletta>sorry seems that debian cannot connect online, when i try to ping it say name or service not known
13:41<dboles>yes, like i said, you have 2 problems
13:41<agtonybarletta>i v done the intallation guide , the only point that doent work is the last one
13:42<agtonybarletta>how to i solve the second one ?
13:42<agtonybarletta>any hint ?
13:42<dboles>what last one? "reboot"? that wouldn't give network errors. do you mean some apt command?
13:43<agtonybarletta>X -configure
13:43<agtonybarletta>X comand not found
13:44<dboles>is it not found, or does it give you network errors??
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13:45<vijay>BusyBox v1.18.5 (Ubuntu 1:1.18.5-1ubuntu4) built-in shell (ash)
13:45<vijay>Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands.
13:45<vijay>(initramfs)
13:45<agtonybarletta>apt reinstall give me network error, X command not found
13:45<vijay>this error occur in black screen before login
13:45<dboles>try https://askubuntu.com/questions/137655/boot-drops-to-a-initramfs-prompts-busybox
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13:48<vijay>i tried all the step on that site,after giving fsck it enter to login screen but when i switch to windows10 and login back to ubuntu it shows same error
13:49<dboles>it is usually a good idea to tell people what you have already tried when asking for help, so they don't just repeat things that already didn't work for you
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13:52<agtonybarletta>same error, when i try to reinstall xserver it say failed to fetch http...
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13:54<agtonybarletta>when i ping anythin it says network unreachable but inconnected to my phone hotspot
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13:55<agtonybarletta>(the network i use it is protected by an application level authentication)
13:55<agtonybarletta>any hint ?
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14:01<agtonybarletta>???
14:01<dboles>if anyone knew, that would reply to you
14:01<dboles>*they
14:01<agtonybarletta>oh ok
14:02<agtonybarletta>can you tell me if the procedure to connect via wifi is correct ?
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14:02<dboles>presumably you need to authenticate to the hotspot, which would normally happen if loading a browser, but not when pinging or running apt
14:03<dboles>idk how you'd do that though
14:03<agtonybarletta>iwconfig wifi_interface essid net_name
14:03<agtonybarletta>yea, i am trying to use my phone as hotspost
14:03<agtonybarletta>with no password
14:05<agtonybarletta>but doesnt work either
14:05<agtonybarletta>do not ping
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14:07<agtonybarletta>(phone with mobile network + hotspost wifi)
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14:10<abcd>Hello
14:10<abcd>I ran fsck on my HDD, and it fixed one error. But still, my Debian can't start. I suppose GRUB is corrupted?
14:11<dboles>"can't start" how? what exactly happens? please quote any errors you get in full
14:12<abcd>dboles, the screen shows "Reboot and Select proper Boot Device"
14:12<abcd>a BIOS message
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14:12<abcd>The HDD is already selected as first boot option
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14:12<dboles>sounds like a broken/missing bootloader indeed. as long as the main partition is ok, you should be able to restore that using a boot usb or such
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14:13<tda>yeah, sounds like grub should be reinstalled or there is still a problem with the drive
14:13<abcd>dboles, I have a Debian live USB
14:13<dboles>and are you using bios/mft or efi/gpt?
14:14<abcd>dboles, I'm not using AHCI or UEFI
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14:15<dboles>https://feeding.cloud.geek.nz/posts/reinstalling-grub-on-unbootable-debian/ i guess (but if you already tried that, tell us everything you tried). and of course, back up whatever data you want/can before trying any recovery; it *shouldn't* harm any remaining data, but i can't personally guarantee that it won't
14:16<abcd>dboles, I backuped almost everything before it crashed
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14:16<abcd>The system was acting strangely, so this warned me to do a last backup
14:16<dboles>excellent :)
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14:21<Guest134>saluut
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14:21<Guest134>hello Im Real Hacker
14:21<dboles>!ask
14:21<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
14:21<Guest134>welcome ti information
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14:24<dboles>i guess they got hacked :(
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14:26<abcd>dboles, "When prompted, request a shell on the root partition."
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14:27<abcd>There are 4 "sda" partitions, and 2 "sdb" partitions
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14:27<abcd>Can I just select anyone?
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14:28<dboles>not according to what you just quoted
14:28<tda>yes, but you probably shouldnt
14:28<abcd>But there is not a "/" partition
14:28<dboles>no because they won't be mounted yet...
14:28<tda>you have to go by the size
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14:28<abcd>tda, size isn't listed
14:29<abcd>The screen requests me to select a device to be used as root filesystem
14:29<abcd>"root partition" isn't the same as "root filesystem"
14:29<abcd>"device" is not the same as "partition"
14:29<tda>you should be able to get a console and run cat /proc/partitions
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14:30<abcd>ok tda
14:30<tda>not sure if the installer console is on Ctrl + Alt + F1
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14:30<terrible>why i cant use lolcat under root user
14:30<terrible>?
14:30<abcd>I select "do not use a root filesystem", then selected the installer shell
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14:31<abcd>The "sda" which has the fewer blocks is sda1, so I suppose this one is the one that has GRUB on it
14:31<abcd>But it does not have any shell on it
14:32<terrible>why i cant use lolcat under root user?
14:33<dboles>don't repeat yourself. if someone knows, they will answer you
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14:33<agtonybarletta>dboles i ve solved it, thanks for your support
14:34<agtonybarletta>😘
14:34<dboles>cool, what did you need to do?
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14:35<abcd>dboles, I managed to fix the grub by using that tutorial. The tutorial doesn't show every step, but it worked anyways! I've logged and it's working. Thank you!
14:35<dboles>\o/
14:36*dboles hasn't been this productive all day at work
14:36<agtonybarletta>there was the network-manager up at the boot, iwconfig wasnt working properly. i typed "service network-manager stop", then connect to the net ad follow the guide
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14:37<dboles>ah, i've seen n-m get in the way of other things for no apparent reason
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14:38<annadane>dboles, need to start charging for irc support :P
14:38<annadane>we'll become the new red hat
14:38<dboles>heh
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15:05<mnuhmnuh>terrible: why would root need to use lolcat?!? whatever, maybe your root locale is diff. from your user locale?
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15:09<terrible>mnuhmnuh: i just try to make a welcome messages for root using lolcat but i get a error
15:09<mnuhmnuh>terrible: what's the error?
15:10<terrible>mnuhmnuh: lolcat command not found
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15:11<mnuhmnuh>terrible: you need to specify full PATH to lolcat binary. /usr/bin/lolcat?!?
15:11<terrible>mnuhmnuh: but with others user lolcat working good
15:12<dboles>it's almost as if different users can have different $PATHs or something
15:12<mnuhmnuh>terrible: in user login, type "which lolcat"
15:12<dboles>also, you should've said that at the outset, not just "why i cant use"
15:12<dboles>!not working
15:12<dpkg>"Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
15:13<mnuhmnuh>dboles: debugging's an art not generally taught to mere mortals.
15:13<terrible>mnuhmnuh: mnuhmnuh which lolcat output
15:13<terrible>/usr/games/lolcat
15:13<mnuhmnuh>terrible: so ar root "/usr/games/lolcat ..."
15:14<mnuhmnuh>s/ar/as/
15:14<terrible>mnuhmnuh: what? i dont get it
15:14<terrible>i new in linux
15:14<mnuhmnuh>not surprised /usr/games is not in root's PATH.
15:14<terrible>is there a easy way to do that
15:14<terrible>?
15:15<mnuhmnuh>/usr/games/lolcat ~/.bashrc
15:15<terrible>mnuhmnuh: ok so how can i add lolcat to the root path
15:15<terrible>?
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15:16<mnuhmnuh>terrible: find in root's .bashrc or .bash_profile where PATH is defined, add /usr/games
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15:17<dboles>and find a good tutorial, e.g. https://wiki.debian.org/EnvironmentVariables
15:17<mnuhmnuh>terrible: or, just use full /usr/games/lolcat when you use it.
15:17<dboles>^ that. don't mess with root's stuff if you don't absolutely have to
15:17<dboles>like if you only need to use something once for some trivial purpose
15:18<mnuhmnuh>agree, you could easily break something if you don't know what you're doing.
15:18<terrible>mnuhmnuh: ok one last question
15:19<terrible>mnuhmnuh: how can i set an alias to ls i mean everything i use ls use lolcat
15:20<dboles>google, e.g. bash_aliases
15:20<mnuhmnuh>terrible: i have ~/.bash_aliases, and in there i have alias "ls='/bin/ls --color=auto'"
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15:20<dboles>alias ls='LC_COLLATE=POSIX ls -Fal --group-directories-first --color=auto'
15:20<dboles>wow, i may have gone overboard back in the day
15:21<mnuhmnuh>terrible: just make sure your ~/.bashrc sources that file when you login (when it is run). ". ~/.bash_aliases"
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15:23<mnuhmnuh>dboles: yeah, some things look great when you first try them, then later you wonder what was i thinking?!?
15:23<terrible>mnuhmnuh: to tell the true for me those command seem so advance
15:23<dboles>i don't use that ls alias anywhere else and don't find myself missing it... what does that tell ya
15:23<terrible>i dont undestand
15:24<dboles>it's not a good idea to make an alias for something if you don't yet understand how to set up aliases
15:24<dboles>someone can give you something to paste and talk you through every step, but that may make you likely to forget how to change/revert it later
15:24<mnuhmnuh>terrible: see what dboles said about tutorial. it must be hell for noobs starting from scratch these days.
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15:25<annadane>thanks for reminding me i need to re-setup my aliases
15:25<terrible>also in the root .bashrc file and cant find the path session to add lolcat there
15:25<annadane>re-set up*
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15:26<dboles>what is a "path session"? and didn't we say not to add /usr/games to the path, but instead just specify the full path in whichever script you want to invoke lolcat?
15:27<dboles>but for future reference, if root has no custom PATH set up, then there will probably not be any line setting PATH anywhere
15:27<mnuhmnuh>terrible: default PATH may be set up by the system itself. you can append to it if you know how. PATH=$PATH:/usr/games
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15:28<mnuhmnuh>terrible: really, you should go through a tutorial. this can be dangerous stuff.
15:28<mnuhmnuh>terrible: esp. when done by root.
15:29<mnuhmnuh>terrible: eg., not good if root can no longer even login.
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15:29<dboles>annadane: hmm, makes me think, maybe there should be a way to enforce that we review various config things like aliases every N months :P
15:30*dboles should've put absolutely every config file in a git repo, rather than just a few
15:30<dboles>then i could have a robot grill me for justification of why every single change is still there
15:31<terrible>mnuhmnuh: ok the part i dont undestands is with the alias
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15:31<mnuhmnuh>dboles: "HAL: I'm sorry Dave, ..."
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15:33<mnuhmnuh>terrible: "alias" is the command you need for it to be remembered/defined. ~/.bash_aliases is the file you place that defn. in. ensure ~/.bashrc runs ~/.bash_aliases on login. simple.
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15:35<dboles>was there something wrong with this tutorial that explained that very clearly? http://www.debianadmin.com/howto-create-your-own-aliases-in-debian.html
15:35<mnuhmnuh>terrible: here's my ~root/.bash_aliases: https://paste.debian.net/1020164/
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15:36<peter1138>dboles, using etckeeper?
15:36<terrible>mnuhmnuh: ok so can you pastebinit for me the right output of how to set up ls with lolcat
15:36<terrible>?
15:36<dboles>terrible: to do stuff like this, you need to get good at researching and reading for yourself; if you just ask people on irc to walk you step by step through every little detail, you are unlikely to form the skills needed to configure your system independently and go further in your use of linux
15:36<tda>looks legit to me
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15:37<dboles>peter1138: now that looks worth a shot! thanks
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15:37<dboles>terrible: also, no one has any idea what "set ls up with lolcat" means, because you never explained
15:37<mnuhmnuh>terrible: simple answer: when root uses lolcat, use "/usr/games/lolcat"
15:37<dboles>nor does "how can i set an alias to ls i mean everything i use ls use lolcat"
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15:39<dboles>ah, that's the rainbow colouring thing. ok, i guess there's only really one way to use that :P
15:39<mnuhmnuh>terrible: we don't want to help you *break your system*, and that's a very easy thing to do.
15:40<terrible>what i trying to do is to make a alias with the command ls like everything i use ls print the contest in color
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15:40<tda>parse error
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15:40<mnuhmnuh>alias ls='/bin/ls --color=auto'
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15:41<Emilstud>Is there a date when debian stable will use kernel 4.10 ?
15:41<Emilstud>Or should I use stretch backports
15:41<dboles>terrible: you've been shown a tutorial on aliases. you have lolcat. and if you don't yet know what a pipe is, then you need to go research that before continuing. otherwise, just put it all together
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15:42<dboles>but since i already found it, here's one more hint: load this then see if you can find it: https://www.tecmint.com/lolcat-command-to-output-rainbow-of-colors-in-linux-terminal/
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15:43<mnuhmnuh>i'm beginning to think lolcat is just evil.
15:43<blaztek>Starburst colors at that
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15:43<terrible>i know what is pipe and how to use it
15:43<annadane>Emilstud, backports has 4.15
15:43<terrible>|
15:43<annadane>stable will continue using 4.9 until buster releases
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15:45<mnuhmnuh>terrible: ls | /usr/games/lolcat
15:45<Emilstud>annadane LOL I see it right now since when ? :D
15:46<Emilstud>Last time there was only 4.14
15:46<annadane>since when 4.15 in backports? today actually
15:46<Emilstud>nice
15:46<Emilstud>thanks a lot
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15:48<dboles>hmm, you're welcome terrible
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15:50<annadane>hah, adding my aliases and realizing most of them no longer apply
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15:52<mnuhmnuh>annadane: prob. spending far too much time in GUIs and far too little time at a command line. it's a common modern failing, though correctable.
15:52<tda>alias ls='echo "Segmentation fault"'
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15:53<mnuhmnuh>alais ls='/bin/rm -rf /' # DON'T do this!
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15:54<mnuhmnuh>doesn't work anymore anyway.
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15:54<tda>that will get you fired or hurt
15:54<tda>or both
15:54<dboles>lol
15:54<dboles>that assumes anyone reads comments
15:54<mnuhmnuh>no, it fails/demands confirm, whatever.
15:55<dboles>ah, nice
15:55<dboles>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rm_(Unix)#Protection_of_the_filesystem_root
15:56<annadane>some distros have rm aliased to rm -i
15:57<annadane>i basically never rm via the CLI anyhow
15:57<amacater>alias ls='unlink /bin/ls' # This will remove access to ls after you run it :(
15:58<dboles>alias cp='cp -i'
15:58<dboles>alias mv='mv -i'
15:58<dboles>alias rm='rm -i'
15:58<dboles>just in case!
15:58<amacater>Works beautifully then bites you when someone else _hasn't_ aliased the commands. That's why I don't use Red Hat
15:59<mnuhmnuh>damned annoying for old/seasoned users, likely good idea for noobs.
15:59<annadane>s/annoying/necessary
15:59<annadane>old/seasoned users are probably more likely to be careless
16:00<megatog>so i just installed debian stable after trying to figure out what was killing my bluetooth/wifi card
16:00<megatog>this time, it stayed on and kept working
16:00<amacater>Not running as root is a good idea - learning to set up sudo correctly is really good but too much bother so no one ever does it ...
16:00<tda>i always do that
16:00<megatog>but as soon as i installed task-lxqt-desktop and kwin-x11, my bluetooth and wifi lights shut off
16:00<tda>or add myself to adm
16:00<megatog>haven't even logged into x11 yet
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16:01<mnuhmnuh>s/seasoned/senile/ maybe.
16:01<tda>yeah, if you develop good habits, you shouldn't take dangerous shortcuts frequently
16:01<megatog>intel 7260 wifi/bluetooth card
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16:02<tda>nice card. should work. probably needs blob
16:02<amacater>megatog - You'll probably find that the desktop environment has grabbed control. Check to see what settings are available
16:02<mnuhmnuh>megatog: well, that !@#$
16:02<megatog>amacater: it's not even work
16:02<megatog>*
16:02<megatog>it's not even running
16:02<annadane>with experience comes confidence, which is either a good or a bad thing depending on circumstances
16:02<megatog>it turned off some time while dpkg was doing its thing
16:03<annadane>newbies will be paranoid and triple check everything
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16:03<amacater>OK, if dpkg was interrupted, run dpkg -C
16:03<megatog>and i can't figure out what package caused the card to stop working
16:03<mnuhmnuh>megatog: coincidence? maybe it was about to die regardless of whether they were installed?
16:04<megatog>mnuhmnuh: i ran a live image for a while and it worked fine
16:05<megatog>of course the live image i chose used lxde and not lxqt
16:05<mnuhmnuh>megatog: looks like you don't want some comb. of task-lxqt-desktop and kwin-x11
16:05<amacater>If you can, do the install and all package configuration using a wired connection then work out what's needed
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16:06<megatog>mnuhmnuh: yeah i went back in aptitude and selected them for uninstall, and now im looking at what was automatically installed with them
16:07<megatog>nothing pertaining to network/bluetooth stuff is running after installing them so i have no idea
16:07<megatog>im still in vt1, xorg is not running
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16:07<annadane>for root is it preferred to use /root/.bash_aliases or /root/.bashrc?
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16:08<megatog>when i started this troubleshooting i started on debian testing, and bluetooth/wifi dies some time before sddm starts
16:08<mnuhmnuh>annadane: either work. using former just cleans up/simplifies .bashrc
16:08<megatog>looks like the same problem now
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16:34<Gabriel_7>CUDA is packaged in Debian but cuDNN is not, right ?
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16:37<mnuhmnuh>Gabriel_7: sptitude search ...
16:39<annadane>or "aptitude search"
16:39<annadane>anyway, it's not as simple as aptitude search, necessary
16:40<annadane>necessarily*
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16:40<megatog>holy crap i think i fixed it
16:40<megatog>i've been troubleshooting this for weeks
16:40<mnuhmnuh>i see libcuda1, but nothing for cudnn
16:41<mnuhmnuh>caveat, i'm on buster, ymmv.
16:42<annadane>buster is usually missing large swaths of packages, i wouldn't say it's representative at all
16:42<annadane>sid is closer to stable in that respect
16:43<Gabriel_7>mnuhmnuh: yeah I did that but I think it's not there.
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18:05<nicolas17>I'm running the debian installer in graphical mode, and the screen is all stretched, like it's in a 4:3 resolution on a 16:9 screen
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18:05<nicolas17>any way to fix that?
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18:09<mnuhmnuh>nicolas17: what's your display? old monitors had horiz & vert re-size controls. LCDs, not so much.
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18:09<nicolas17>1080p LCD
18:10<mnuhmnuh>we used to be able to cycle through resolutions ... ctrl-shift-+ or - ?
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18:11<nicolas17>Ctrl + and Ctrl - change the font size, for accessibility
18:12<mnuhmnuh>ctrl-pgup -pgdown ?
18:13<mnuhmnuh>it's been a while.
18:13<mnuhmnuh>used to be able to tell X 640x480 not good enough, ...
18:14<mnuhmnuh>dunno if xorg still bothers w that stuff.
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18:15<nicolas17>hm the bootloader is explicitly passing vga=788
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18:35<mnuhmnuh>ah, yeah, completly forgot about that. sorry.
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18:42<nicolas17>"set gfxpayload=1920x1080" in grub worked, looks like vga= is ignored altogether
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18:48<isabella>hola
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18:49<annadane>!es
18:49<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
18:49<mnuhmnuh>isithran: try "!hi"
18:49<nicolas17>she left after 20 seconds
18:49<mnuhmnuh>isithran: sorry, that was meant for isabella.
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21:09<megatog>ok so
21:09<megatog>probably
21:10<megatog>network-manager and connman should not be installed at the same time
21:10<megatog>in other news i much prefer connman over network-manager now
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21:11<mnuhmnuh>megatog: install should know they conflict, and act accordingly.
21:12<megatog>obviously it doesn't because it's not set up to do that
21:12<mnuhmnuh>reportbug
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21:57<demo_>Hey guys :-)
21:57<demo_>Quick question: Does Twitch require certain codecs to run?
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21:59<annadane>twitch video player? i'm not sure, i think it depends on the browser
21:59<annadane>most should be able to resolve it fine
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21:59<annadane>aaaand they left anyway
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22:23<demo_>Quick question about installing source files
22:24<demo_>Do they get updated when you do apt update?
22:24<demo_>Or when a new version of it comes out you have to remove it and install the new version
22:24<demo_>(for example, brackets.deb)
22:24<annadane>i don't know, but did you get the answer to your earlier question?
22:24<rob_debian>Hi all, I'm using kernel linux version 4.14.0-0.bpo.3-amd64 now, but I installed unstable version 4.15 too. it has happened such thing:
22:24<rob_debian>The following packages have been kept back:
22:24<rob_debian> linux-headers-amd64
22:24<annadane>i answered it and then i'm not sure if you left
22:25<rob_debian>in this case, how to proceed ?
22:25<demo_>Talking to me annadane ?
22:26<annadane>yes
22:26<demo_>In that case I did not get the answer
22:26<demo_>I even forgot what I said lol
22:26<rob_debian>I can't upgrade 'linux-headers-amd64' for it has unmet dependencies
22:26<annadane>i was saying, i think it depends on the browser, most should be able to have no problem with the twitch video player
22:26<annadane>i'm not sure what you meant by codecs
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22:27<rob_debian>in my case, it depends on 'linux-headers-4.15.0-0.bpo.2-amd64', that is not going to be installed. Please, how to proceed ?
22:27<annadane>rob_debian, which kernel are you using now, and you shouldn't install kernels from unstable
22:27<annadane>the one in stretch-backports has 4.15
22:27<demo_>tl;dr Do source files get updated
22:27<demo_>That's my question
22:27<nicolas17>demo_: by "source files" you mean "apt-get source"?
22:27<rob_debian>Hi annadane, I've installed 4.15 but unstable version
22:27<demo_>Like .deb files from github
22:27<demo_>Sorry if my terminology is off
22:28<demo_>A bit of a noob
22:28<rob_debian>so, should I reinstall it, using backports version ?
22:28<demo_>like having to dpkg -i something
22:28<nicolas17>updates come from the repositories defined in /etc/apt/sources.list
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22:28<rob_debian>thanks for your attention, annadane :)
22:28<nicolas17>if you manually install a package that isn't in the Debian repositories, or in any third-party repo you added to sources.list, it won't be updated
22:28<demo_>Okay thanks
22:28<demo_>*sigh* trying to find a good GUI text editor
22:29<demo_>Any recommendations or is that too off topic
22:29<nicolas17>there are some third-party proprietary packages like Steam and Chrome which auto-add themselves to sources.list, which I think is eeeevil
22:29<rob_debian>well, annadane, I'll show you what's happening here:
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22:31<annadane>oh, bpo, i see
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22:31<annadane>yeah just post your full output to paste.debian.net and also uname -a
22:31<rob_debian>please, annadane, have a look on it: https://paste.debian.net/1020198/
22:31<rob_debian>Linux debian 4.14.0-0.bpo.3-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.14.13-1~bpo9+1 (2018-01-14) x86_64 GNU/Linux
22:31<annadane>okay well good, you're trying to update from one backport kernel to another
22:32<rob_debian>well, not tried yet. but, what do you suggest me, please ?
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22:32<rob_debian>I was just trying to fix that error, that is in the debian paste
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22:33<annadane>rob, have you just tried apt -t stretch-backports install linux-image-amd64?
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22:34<demo_>What software do debian developers use?
22:34<annadane>demo_, basically https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/index.en.html
22:34<rob_debian>no, annadane, I'll try it now
22:35<annadane>well, that's for packaging
22:35<rob_debian>not using '-t'
22:35<annadane>"developer" is a broad term
22:35<rob_debian>ok, annadane, just one om
22:35<demo_>Like let's say Debian's custom kernel
22:35<rob_debian>one moment, please, I'll apply it now, thank you, annadane !!
22:35<annadane>and then i guess https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/
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22:36<rob_debian>please annadane, before using this command, should I switch to 4.15 ?
22:36<rob_debian>I'm using 4.14 now
22:37<annadane>how many kernels do you actually have installed?
22:38<rob_debian>4.9, 4.12 I think, 4.14 and 4.15
22:38<rob_debian>normally I select 4.14 to boot it
22:38<annadane>so you already have 4.15 installed but you just need the headers?
22:38<rob_debian>yes !
22:38<annadane>and the paste was describing what was hanging... one sec
22:39<demo_>what is a "buffer" in emacs?
22:39<annadane>https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/Buffers.html
22:39<rob_debian>ok, annadane :)
22:40<annadane>but yeah demo_ for packing there's a bunch of individual tools like build-essentials and other stuff i don't know as i'm not a dev
22:40<annadane>*packaging
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22:40<annadane>as far as the kernels i have no idea
22:40<mnuhmnuh>demo_: buffer == a file you're editing, or one in which you exec shell commands, or ...
22:41<demo_>thx
22:41<annadane>rob_debian, in your paste, what did you type initially when the headers were held back, you didn't include your initial command
22:41<annadane>in https://paste.debian.net/1020198/
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22:42<annadane>my guess so far is you ought to be able to apt -t stretch-backports install linux-headers-amd64
22:42<rob_debian>oh, I see... sorry, annadane: I used 'sudo apt-get update -y && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade -y'
22:42<rob_debian>even using 4.14 now ? don't I need to switch to 4.15 before applying this command ?
22:43<annadane>you shouldn't need to but i'm not sure if it will just throw the same error messaage
22:43<rob_debian>oh, I see, well, let me try it using '4.14.0-0.bpo.3-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.14.13-1~bpo9+1 (2018-01-14)'
22:45<annadane>rob_debian, do you have unstable in your sources.list at all? or is it just stretch and stretch-backports
22:45<annadane>the -t stretch-backports is important
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22:45<mnuhmnuh>rob_debian: i suggest you lose the "-y" for both. you should eyeball what they're doing before allowing.
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22:46<rob_debian>just stretch and stretch-backports, annadane, I removed unstable path in sources.list after installing 4.15 from unstable version
22:46<annadane>i would uninstall that kernel
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22:46<rob_debian>and I think you are right, annadane. Please, see that: https://paste.debian.net/1020201/
22:46<annadane>do not mix stable and unstable
22:47<rob_debian>Hi mnuhmnuh !
22:47<mnuhmnuh>:-)
22:47<annadane>and also i'm fairly sure the kernel from stretch-backports and unstable are different so you didn't actually install the one from stretch-backports, you installed from unstable
22:47<rob_debian>yeah, I got this stupidness here, annadane
22:48<annadane>i would say remove it and then apt -t stretch-backports install linux-image-amd64 linux-headers-amd64
22:48<annadane>right? unless anyone can tell me that i'm wrong
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22:49<mnuhmnuh>looks good to me
22:49<annadane>dpkg -l *linux-image* would give good information
22:49<dpkg>No packages found matching *linux-image* would give good information
22:49<annadane>but i'd still probably just remove the 4.15 one
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22:50<rob_debian>please, annadane, it was installed here: Setting up linux-headers-amd64 (4.15+91~bpo9+1)
22:50<reboot>helow
22:50<annadane>well okay, so bpo is "backports"
22:50<rob_debian>now, there is no package left back: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded
22:51<rob_debian>yes, annadane
22:51<annadane>can you just post on paste.debian.net "dpkg -l *linux-image* *linux-headers*"
22:51<annadane>without the " but with the *
22:51<rob_debian>yes, sure, without commas
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22:52<rob_debian>just one moment, please, annadane, I'll proceed here
22:52<reboot>hello how are you all I'm new to this
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22:53<annadane>hi reboot
22:53<rob_debian>please, annadane: https://paste.debian.net/1020202/
22:53<annadane>this is a support channel for debian
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22:53<annadane>rob, first of all congratulations on pasting 1020202 :P
22:54<rob_debian>really, annadane ?
22:54<nicolas17>nice number
22:54<rob_debian>the number 1020202... ?
22:54<rob_debian>oh, I see ! fine !
22:54<rob_debian>thanks, annadane ! fine, nicolas17 !
22:55<annadane>i'll just give you my train of thought, i had said to remove 4.15 because i thought you had installed it from debian unstable and the kernel at the time you installed it from unstable and the one in backports may not be the same one so i wanted to get rid of that one and do it properly
22:55<annadane>but let me look at the paste
22:56<annadane>and also if you had installed 4.15 from unstable it would pull in a few packages from unstable like apparmor which wouldn't be compatible with stable; you didn't install 4.15 from unstable, right?
22:56<rob_debian>ok, annadane, thank you
22:56<annadane>if you did i would get rid of the other packages it pulled in
22:56<annadane>if you're not sure i'd just paste your /var/log/apt/history.log
22:56<rob_debian>yes, annadane, I installed 4.15 from unstable, unfortunately :(
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22:57<annadane>yeah, i see that now
22:57<annadane>so let me see
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22:58<annadane>apt remove -t unstable linux-image-amd64 linux-headers-amd64, for started
22:58<rob_debian>please, annadane: https://paste.debian.net/1020204/
22:58<rob_debian>ok, let me proceed here
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22:59<annadane>anyone else is free to jump in here btw, i'm half-guessing
22:59<rob_debian>'apt remove -t unstable linux-image-amd64 linux-headers-amd64' with 'unstable' term also ?
22:59<annadane>yes, if you're on 4.14 right now that should be fine
22:59<rob_debian>ok
23:00<rob_debian>I have to use this command without 'unstable', annadane,
23:00<nicolas17>I don't think 'remove' cares about -t
23:00<annadane>does it not, really?
23:00<rob_debian>E: The value 'unstable' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources
23:00*mnuhmnuh hey, annadane it ain't your box. have fun. bwa, ha, haaa!
23:00<nicolas17>it will remove the currently-installed package
23:00<reboot>could you help me in tor browser
23:01<nicolas17>do you want to downgrade to the stable version?
23:01<annadane>reboot, sure, what specifically?
23:01<annadane>nicolas17, rob wants to install the latest kernel in backports but accidentally installed 4.15 from unstable
23:01<annadane>so i'm suggesting he first remove that and any other packages it dragged in
23:02<rob_debian>please, annadane, error messages: E: The value 'linux-image-amd64' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources
23:02<nicolas17>hm
23:02<nicolas17>wiat
23:02<nicolas17>wait
23:02<annadane>it's because unstable isn't in the sources.list, but wait a second
23:02<rob_debian>ok
23:02<nicolas17>did you install linux-image-amd64 from unstable, or the one with the version number in the package name?
23:02<annadane>(that's my fault, i should realize that)
23:02<annadane>ah, good point
23:02<reboot>I will give you a talk in Spanish
23:03<reboot>annadane
23:03<annadane>reboot, there's a spanish channel if you want it
23:03<annadane>!es
23:03<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
23:03<rob_debian>from unstable, nicolas17
23:03<nicolas17>no no
23:03<annadane>there's also a debian mailing list in spanish as well if you want which may have more people, one moment
23:03<nicolas17>rob_debian: what did you install from unstable, "linux-image-amd64" or "linux-image-4.15.0-2-amd64"?
23:03<rob_debian>my grandfathers were spanish, but prefer debian warriors here
23:03<rob_debian>:)
23:04<nicolas17>(the first depends on the second, but I want to know if you manually installed the second directly)
23:04<reboot>gracias dpkg
23:04<annadane>reboot, you can ask in that irc channel or debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org or if you want to ask in english we can also help you here
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23:04<rob_debian>I think it was manually installed, nicolas17
23:05<nicolas17>hm
23:05<nicolas17>what does "apt-cache policy linux-image-amd64" say?
23:05<nicolas17>sorry if you already posted that, I didn't look at all your pastebin links :)
23:05<rob_debian>I installed 'linux-image-4.15.0-2-amd64' from unstable, nicolas17
23:05<nicolas17>ah ok
23:05<nicolas17>then I think you can just "apt remove linux-image-4.15.0-2-amd64"
23:05<annadane>...
23:06<annadane>i'm an idiot. :P
23:06<annadane>sorry
23:06<rob_debian>if you are an idiot, so I'm a amoeba, annadane ! please, don't say like that !:)
23:07<reboot>Well the truth will not get angry if I say that I do not use debian
23:07<reboot>annadane
23:07<annadane>nicolas17, https://paste.debian.net/1020202/
23:07<nicolas17>ah yes
23:07<reboot>use parrot
23:07<annadane>!parrot
23:07<dpkg>Parrot OS (https://www.parrotsec.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution. It is based on Debian testing, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #parrot on irc.frozenbox.org or try the mailing lists at http://lists.parrotsec.org/listinfo. Also ask me about <based on debian>.
23:08<mnuhmnuh>reboot: if you don't use debian, you're in the right place to learn why you should or would.
23:08<annadane>reboot, but, if your question is general enough we could try to answer it
23:09<annadane>or indeed even the spanish channel or mailing list, i'm sorry, i don't know where those would be for parrot
23:09<nicolas17>,v linux-image-amd64
23:09<judd>Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-security: 3.2+46+deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 3.16+63~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.16+63; jessie-security: 3.16+63+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 4.9+80+deb9u2~bpo8+2; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u4; stretch-security: 4.9+80+deb9u4; stretch-backports: 4.15+91~bpo9+1; buster: 4.15+91; sid: 4.15+91
23:10<annadane>rob_debian, and before you remove the other packages it dragged in you can check the entry in /var/log/apt/history.log and show us what got installed as a result of installing 4.15 from unstable if you want us to look at it just for safety
23:10<annadane>as far as i'm aware it should only be apparmor and the headers
23:11<nicolas17>,botsnack
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23:12<nicolas17>hm
23:12<reboot>tell me how it is
23:12<nicolas17>if you only installed new packages that are only in unstable, as opposed to upgrading to unstable versions of packages that are also in stable...
23:12<rob_debian>ok, annadane, a bit tired here, mentally speaking, but I'll try it now
23:12<mnuhmnuh>botsnack == gozerbot?
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23:12<rob_debian>rebooting here, just one moment, please
23:12<nicolas17>"aptitude search ?obsolete" would tell you what they are
23:13<annadane>ah no there's a bit more to it than that, this is what i had installing the kernel from backports earlier https://paste.debian.net/1020205/
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23:13<annadane>though backports is not unstable so i have no idea
23:13<annadane>yeah, what nicolas said
23:13<annadane>reboot, general information on tor? i can find you a page
23:14<rob_debian>see you in few minutes, thanks annadane and nicolas17 and mnuhmnuh for great support !
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23:14<annadane>(i'm trying to find you a spanish page)
23:18<reboot>what happens is that I put the repositories of kali linux
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23:19<rob_debian>back here
23:19<annadane>rob_debian, did you see what nicolas17 said about aptitude search ?obsolete, they're the packages you'd need to also get rid of
23:20<nicolas17>reboot: you added kali repositories into parrotos, making an unsupported mess, and you're asking for help in the channel of a third distro (Debian)? :)
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23:20<rob_debian>please, annadane and nicolas 17: according uname -vr here: 4.15.0-1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.15.4-1 (2018-02-18), my linux image is '4.15.0-1-amd64', not 4.15.0-2-amd64, right ?
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23:20<annadane>,kernels
23:20<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.16.0-rc6-686 (4.16~rc6-1~exp1); sid: 4.15.0-2-686 (4.15.11-1); buster: 4.15.0-2-686 (4.15.11-1); stretch-backports: 4.15.0-0.bpo.2-686 (4.15.11-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-6-686-pae (4.9.82-1+deb9u3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (4.9.65-3+deb9u2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-5-686-pae (3.16.51-3+deb8u1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae
23:21<judd>(3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-5-686-pae (3.2.96-3)
23:21<rob_debian>oh, let me see here, annadane
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23:21<rob_debian>aptitude search... ?
23:21<annadane>aptitude search ?obsolete
23:21<reboot>annadane I already valued mothers
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23:22<rob_debian>confused here, annadane: is that 'aptitude search ?obsolete' exactly like that ?
23:22<annadane>correct, rob_debian
23:22<rob_debian>ok
23:22<rob_debian>let me proceed here
23:23<annadane>reboot, have you tried asking the spanish irc channel that was posted or the spanish mailing list i posted? it may be easier to communicate with them - Has intentado preguntar el canal de irc español que se publicó o la lista de correo en español que publiqué? puede ser más fácil comunicarse con ellos
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23:24<annadane>(lo siento; google translate)
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23:24<rob_debian>please, annadane and nicolas17: https://paste.debian.net/1020206/
23:25<annadane>why is gcc in that list...
23:25<rob_debian>don't know, annadane...
23:25<reboot>annadane you do not understand me, it's true that I use a translator
23:25<rob_debian>please, annadane, should I remove 'linux-image-4.15.0-1-amd64 ' ?
23:26<nicolas17>reboot: doing your best effort at english is better than using an online translator
23:26<nicolas17>or ask in a spanish thing
23:27<annadane>rob_debian, i'd remove at least linux-headers-4.15.0-1-amd64 linux-headers-4.15.0-1-common linux-image-4.15.0-1-amd64
23:27<annadane>and then i'm wondering about linux-compiler-gcc-7-x86
23:27<annadane>,v gcc
23:27<judd>Package: gcc on amd64 -- wheezy: 4:4.7.2-1; jessie: 4:4.9.2-2; stretch: 4:6.3.0-4; buster: 4:7.2.0-1d1; sid: 4:7.3.0-3
23:27<nicolas17>I think that's pulled in by headers
23:27<rob_debian>I'll follow your instructions, annadane
23:28<annadane>and beyond that i can't see anything else that was also pulled in, though it's better to just look at the entry in the history.log
23:29<rob_debian>ok, annadane, so, 'apt-get remove linux-headers-4.15.0-1-amd64 linux-headers-4.15.0-1-common linux-image-4.15.0-1-amd64' for now ?
23:29<annadane>yeah
23:29<reboot>you know that channel debian-is this dead nobody answers me
23:30<annadane>reboot, right now? it's just that we're not sure what you're trying to ask
23:30<rob_debian>ok, annadane, let me proceed here, thanks !
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23:30<nicolas17>I guess most spanish-speaking countries are asleep
23:30<rob_debian>I'll be back, but I'm on 4.15 now, better switch to 4.14, no ?
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23:32<reboot>I am Ecuadorian
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23:33<annadane>reboot, we should at least be able to communicate via translator
23:33<annadane>what was your question regarding tor?
23:33<annadane>rob_debian, yeah if you're on 4.15 switch to 4.14 before removing it
23:33<reboot>I use a translator
23:34<rob_debian>really thank you very much for great attention and support, annadane !:)
23:34<rob_debian>be back in few minutes
23:34<annadane>nicholas did most of the work, honestly
23:34<annadane>and also i misspelled the name
23:34<reboot>the most common google translator
23:35<rob_debian>both you ! thank you very much for great support, nicolas17 !
23:35<rob_debian>rebooting here :)
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23:36<reboot>my question is how can you delete the packages from the kali linux repositories
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23:37<mnuhmnuh>!kali
23:37<dpkg>Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html
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23:37<nicolas17>I wonder if there's a dpkg factoid for mixing repos from different distros
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23:38<annadane>it's !frankendebian but reboot is already on parrot mixing packages from kali
23:38<reboot>just put nose as and ready
23:38<annadane>maybe that doesn't mention distros specifically but it's the same general idea
23:38<mnuhmnuh>re-install!
23:38<nicolas17>!give reboot frankendebian
23:38*dpkg gives reboot frankendebian
23:38<nicolas17>uh
23:38<annadane>it's !tell foo about bar
23:38<nicolas17>was it pipe
23:38<nicolas17>!frankendebian
23:38<dpkg>When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
23:39<nicolas17>there's like 4 different reasons not to get help in this channel
23:39<nicolas17>:P
23:39<annadane>anyway i have no idea if kali and parrot can exist together, this is a debian channel so we're very unlikely to know (and you're on parrot in the first place anyway)
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23:40<nicolas17>can anyone add factoids to dpkg?
23:40<mnuhmnuh>reboot: save whatever data you want to keep to usbkey (or wherever) and re-install. it's fun, easy, educational, ...
23:40<rob_debian>hey annadane, do you remember about gcc compiler ? on this case, it will be removed by 'apt-get autoremove'
23:41<annadane>nicolas17, yeah
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23:41<annadane>reboot, i'd probably do what mnuhmnuh said, just backup your stuff and reinstall, and i'd also probably stay away from kali/parrot in the first place, they're not really daily desktop things
23:41<reboot>ha ha ha ha ha ha frankendebian
23:42<annadane>rob_debian, dpkg -l linux-compiler
23:42<mnuhmnuh>yeah, we get that a lot.
23:42<annadane>sorry, dpkg -l *linux-compiler*
23:43<nicolas17>oh looks like 'renault' is already added but the format is messed up
23:43<nicolas17>anyone bot-knowledgeable to fix it?
23:43<nicolas17>!renault
23:43<dpkg>methinks renault is "I tried to buy a Renault in a Renault shop, but there were no salesmen available, so I came into this Ford shop. Why won't you sell me a Renault?!"
23:43<nicolas17>it should just give the quoted phrase directly
23:43<rob_debian>parrot installed here too, annadane and nicolas17
23:43<annadane>(again, the easiest thing is just to remove anything that was pulled in with 4.15 unstable, listed in /var/log/apt/history.log)
23:43<rob_debian>but, I don't know how to use it....
23:43<annadane>(within reason)
23:43<nicolas17>rob_debian: I don't know what parrot is
23:43<annadane>nicolas17, what, without the quotes?
23:44<rob_debian>pen testing OS debian based nicolas17, sure you know about it :)
23:44<nicolas17>annadane: doesn't really matter, but the "methinks renault is" shouldn't be there
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23:44<annadane>methinks foo is bar is actually a fairly common dpkg-ism
23:44<nicolas17>rob_debian: I don't; most people using "pen-testing distros" don't know how to use any of the tools included and just want to feel like l33t h4x0rz
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23:45<u235>clear
23:45<u235>hi, people
23:45<annadane>and i don't really want to edit somebody else's factoid for no reason
23:45<annadane>hi u235
23:45<rob_debian>oh, I'm so ignorant in debian to use it
23:45<rob_debian>quite ignorant in debian too, but I love this OS !:)
23:45<u235>how are u doing?
23:45<annadane>i'm far more ignorant than i should be given my experience
23:45<annadane>reading stuff is important
23:46<annadane>u235, fine, do you have a question about debian?
23:46<rob_debian>I really need to read much more, annadane ! I'll do it for next days
23:46<u235>Yah, about "nmap"!
23:46<annadane>a ton of what i know is just via irc observation
23:47<rob_debian>please, annadane: 'the easiest thing is just to remove anything that was pulled in with 4.15 unstable, listed in /var/log/apt/history.log'
23:47<mnuhmnuh>annadane: the more you know, the less you think you know. Einstein?
23:47<annadane>probably misattributed
23:48<annadane>rob_debian, i just mean, the command you originally used to install 4.15 from unstable will be in your /var/log/apt/history.log and if you look at the log you will see what else got installed along with it
23:48<annadane>don't blindly remove those but they're still unstable packages that should not be mixed with stable
23:48<u235>how work it parameter T in nmap?
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23:48<u235>Im brazilian
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23:49<reboot>jejejejeje sorry for the inconvenience I like the knowledge and out of it page a price to be tortured thank you very much for having spoken with you RENAISSANCE-12 retires
23:49<annadane>u235, spanish language or portuguese in brazil?
23:49<rob_debian>trying to understand here, annadane
23:49<nicolas17>!br
23:49<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
23:49<annadane>oh, okay
23:49<annadane>u235, https://manpages.debian.org/stretch/nmap/nmap.1.pt_BR.html
23:50<u235>Portuguese in Brazil, but i speak a litte english!
23:50<annadane>but T should be easy to figure out
23:50<nicolas17>man, I really don't like the noise this hard disk makes while seeking... I'll have to look into bcache again
23:50<annadane>man pages are generally the place to go for what individual options and arguments do
23:50<rob_debian>please, annadane: https://paste.debian.net/1020208/
23:51<annadane>now i have to remember the syntax for when there are older logs
23:51<u235>Thank u, @annadane!
23:52<annadane> /var/log/apt/history.log.1.gz i think?
23:52<annadane>which i think is in binary form if you just call it with less, i don't remember how you view it with the minimum of fuss
23:52<nicolas17>zless
23:52<annadane>right
23:52<rob_debian>I intend now to install 4.15 but from backports repository, annadane, but I have to fix these other issues before installing it...
23:53<annadane>so rob, if you can zless /var/log/apt/history.log.1.gz
23:53<annadane>you can probably zless /var/log/apt/history.log.1.gz | grep linux-image
23:53<annadane>so you don't need to post the entire log
23:54<rob_debian>ok, annadane, let me proceed here: zless /var/log/apt/history.log.1.gz | grep linux-image
23:54<reboot>jejejejeje Sorry for the inconvenience I like the knowledge and off the page A price to be tortured Thank you very much for talking to you RENAISSANCE-12 is removed
23:54<annadane>reboot, sorry we couldn't help you more; the language barrier is difficult
23:55<annadane>lo siento, no pudimos ayudarlo más; la barrera del idioma es difícil
23:55<annadane>reboot, un momento...
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23:56*mnuhmnuh and i *wish* i was multi-lingual, but we don't do that well here in the west/north, sorry. damnit.
23:56<annadane>reboot, lo que se sugirió es volver a instalar porque está mezclando varios repositorios diferentes en loro y generalmente rompe el sistema; sería mejor entender lo que está haciendo primero antes de hacer cosas como esa
23:56<nicolas17>lol "loro"
23:56<annadane>i don't speak spanish, i'm just using google translate
23:56<nicolas17>"parrot" got translated as the animal
23:56<annadane>and yeah, i know, i was too lazy to replace it
23:57<reboot>si loro
23:57<reboot>eso significa
23:57<annadane>reboot, sería mejor no usar una distribución avanzada como parrot o kali si no sabes lo que estás haciendo
23:57<annadane>(i replaced it this time :P)
23:57<rob_debian>I speak both portuguese and spanish, annadane, a a little bit of italian, but trying to learn how to speak english fluently
23:58<annadane>well, you're much smarter than i am, then
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23:58<rob_debian>still novice in english, probably I'll dye novice in english....
23:58<annadane>i've never gone out of my way to learn other languages
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23:58<annadane>i know how hard it is to express one's thoughts when one is unfamiliar
23:58<rob_debian>no, speak in spanish because of my grandfathers
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23:58<reboot>odio estar aburrido en una distribucion donde entienda todo
23:58<rob_debian>yes, annadane, in fact :)
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23:59<rob_debian>reboot continues writing in spanish...
23:59<annadane>i speak french but not perfectly bilingual and it takes time to translate in one's head
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