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#debian IRC Logs for 2018-04-21

---Logopened Sat Apr 21 00:00:39 2018
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00:04<airton>hola
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00:42<foggy0400>Hi everyone, having a bit of an issue with a fresh install of Debian on a new laptop, and was wondering if someone could help me out. I installed buster from the DVD installer without a graphical environment. The kernel version in the DVD install was 4.13, which I then upgraded to 4.15 with apt once I got internet. Then, on trying to reboot the PC, it hung forever on the "Starting Power Off" phase of
00:42<foggy0400>shutdown - with the graphical environment installed, it closes my windows and status bars and then freezes. This problem does not occur in kernel version 4.13. Some googling narrowed it down to a potential issue with a PCI device, so I tried running lspci, which hung as well. I found a page which told me how to test each PCI device individually to see which one is breaking, and the one that it hung on
00:42<foggy0400>is the Skylake PCI Bridge. Does this problem sound familiar to anyone, or does anyone have any ideas as to how I could fix this?
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00:44<annadane>i'm not sure what the issue is but generally if you want to install testing rather than test the installer it's probably best to just upgrade to testing from a minimal stable install
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00:45<foggy0400>Ah, righto - will keep that in mind for next time :)
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06:38<liveuser>how direct remote console drones away?
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06:40<liveuser>claudio how direct remote console drones away
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06:56<TheNekoAdventure>test
06:56<TheNekoAdventure>hi
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07:41<bipul>What is the correct way to update .ssh/known_hosts file? I 'm getting this message while connecting via ssh "Host key verification failed."
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07:56<Brigo>bipul, remove the line about the client host.
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09:00<rudi_s>And find a trusted source for the remote host's public key.
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12:59<mininon>hola a todos
13:00<gepardo>Why dash outputs "HelloHello" twice for this shell script: https://paste.debian.net/1021365/
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13:10<rudi_s>gepardo: What did you expect?
13:10<rudi_s>And what is the script supposed to do?
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13:11<gepardo>rudi_s: bash outputs "Hello\1Hello" twice
13:11<gepardo>That's what I expected
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13:14<rudi_s>gepardo: Actuall it outputs Hello\1Hello which you can see if you run dash x | xxd
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13:16<rudi_s>gepardo: The "problem" is dash's echo which interprets "Hello\1Hello" and therefore outputs the \x01 between Hello.
13:16<rudi_s>However I'm not entirely sure why it does that.
13:16<rudi_s>You can test it by replacing echo with touch and check which file gets created.
13:17<rudi_s>(Or using /bin/echo instead of echo.)
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13:18<rudi_s>The man page lists only \0... as valid escape sequence. I though echo requires -e to interpret escape sequences, but looks like I was wrong.
13:18<bremner>if you want to use \n, you should use printf instead of echo
13:19<gepardo>rudi_s: Thanks, with /bin/echo it worked
13:19<rudi_s>Interestingly, POSIX seems to support dash's echo behavior. Now I'm even more confused.
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13:21<bremner>coreutils != posix
13:22<somiaj>rudi_s: try using either single quotes, ', or escape the backslash, //
13:23<somiaj>oh nevermind...I missunderstood what you wre trying to do with the /1
13:24<gepardo>It's interesting that bash with --posix prints Hello\1Hello
13:27<somiaj>yea, seems like dash first expands the string, then echo expands the resulting string, echo "Hello\\\1Hello" seems to work here, and so does echo 'Hello\\1Hello'.
13:31<somiaj>http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/utilities/echo.html -- looks like POSIX excho interpits escpace characters by default.
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13:34<bremner>see "Application Usage"
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13:34<bremner>"New applications are encouraged to use printf instead of echo."
13:35<somiaj>yea, and the comment echo is only left around because so many scripts use it, they really want to get rid of it
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15:38<poogle>Right now, I am working on installing OpenWRT on a router, and using an ethernet connection for that. However, when I plug in the ethernet into my laptop, I lose internet access (as if it's automatically switching gateway for outgoing requests to ethernet). How do I make it where it uses wifi for internet gateway, even when ethernet is plugged in (but still automatically do DHCP, etc for the ethernet connection)? I am using
15:38<poogle>network-manager btw, if that matters
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15:44<mnuhmnuh>poogle: easiest would be handling both in /etc/network/interfaces. you define them there and nm won't touch either.
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15:46<mnuhmnuh>poogle: for a user desktop, it's ususally pretty simple to get it easily; lot's of examples out there.
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15:55<poogle>mnuhmnuh, I found what I was looking for - I was able to disable ethernet as default gateway in nm-tui
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17:01<ajhlinuxuser>Hi there, I am having problems getting talkd or talk to communicate on any loopback address other than 127.0.0.1.
17:02<ajhlinuxuser>The hostname of my system is mapped to 127.0.1.1 by default, which is annoying. When I run talk without an IP address, it defaults to the address associated with the hostname, 127.0.1.1.
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17:03<ajhlinuxuser>If I change the IP address to the LAN ip, like 192.168.1.107, it works, but as it is a dhcp client, it won't always have the same address.
17:03<ajhlinuxuser>*if I change the mapping of the hostname to the LAN IP
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18:26<toomian>hi
18:28<toomian>i am using apparmor, and i have problems getting sound in torbrowser. i think torbrowser wants to write to /run/1000/user/pulse, can i allow this?
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18:35<toomian>https://paste.debian.net/1021415/
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18:56<leakspoof>Hi
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19:13<Synthea>I'm trying to connect two ngircd istances, on the passive there's [Server]\n MyPassword = heya, on the transmitter there's [Server]\n PeerPassword = heya, when they connects it says that the password is wrong
19:14<Synthea>I've check it many times but there's no difference between the passwords
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23:07<mnuhmnuh>bestucan: t'anks. i'm playing w irssi settings, and you were 1st to show up.
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23:14<bestucan>mnuhmnuh: haha
23:16<flashyBrowser>Hello, im on Deb 9 on a beaglebone, using LCDs and various txt terminals to connect, I am trying to get used to the environment by only using debian / text / shell interfaces
23:17<flashyBrowser>I am trying to browse using LYNX but often when I tab thru the pages (or up/down thru the pages) the whole screen will Refresh, blank out, reload
23:17<flashyBrowser>its not going to work for my various low-power viewing devices, also it's killing my eyes / headaches
23:18<flashyBrowser>is there another channel specifgically for LYNX questions? or does anyone know how to stop LYNX from refreshing so often?
23:20<jc>you could try #lynx on freenode.
23:21<flashyBrowser>thanks JC ... its been a while since ive been on IRC, that would be /join #lynx i assume
23:21<flashyBrowser>going now, thank you
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23:27<flashyBrowser>nobody there :( anyone know how to stop LYNX from refreshing so often, or a good place to ask?
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23:44<mnuhmnuh>flashyBrowser: tried w3m? maybe easier.
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23:52<flashyBrowser>mnuhmnuh: thanks very much, I'll put w3m on the list as the next thing to try. Anything that works well well LCDs / passive or low power screens / old kindle screens is appreciated. ty again.
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