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#debian IRC Logs for 2018-04-25

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02:38<deepunyk>hey
02:38<deepunyk>we are in
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02:38<deepunyk>yayayayayayayy!!!!!!!!!!
02:38<hustler>looks like we are
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02:38<hustler>how did u do it
02:38<deepunyk>we smart
02:38<hustler>can everyone join
02:38<deepunyk>anyone would like to join illuminati here?
02:39<jm_>this channel is used for debian support, please go elsewhere if you don't intent to follow that topic
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02:39<deepunyk>who is debian
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02:39<hustler>i dont kmow
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02:40<jm_>use your web searching skills - I will not argue about this at all
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02:41<hustler>screw u nigga
02:41-!-mode/#debian [+o jm_] by ChanServ
02:41-!-mode/#debian [+b *!*john@117.240.123.*] by jm_
02:41-!-hustler was kicked from #debian by jm_ [Try another day]
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02:41<deepunyk>add hustler
02:42<deepunyk>he didnt mean it
02:42<deepunyk>please
02:42<Raid>hey
02:42<@jm_>no you have been warned
02:42<deepunyk>pleaseeeee
02:42<Raid>anyone whating to help me?
02:42<deepunyk>one last chance
02:43<Raid>im in kali
02:43<@jm_>!kali
02:43<dpkg>Kali Linux (http://www.kali.org/) is a security and penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but it is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on chat.freenode.net or http://forums.kali.org/ . Also ask me about <based on debian>, and read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html
02:43<@jm_>Raid ^^^^^
02:43<Raid>trying to hack a webserver
02:43<deepunyk>jm unblock him
02:43<deepunyk>PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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02:44<hustler7>sup
02:44<deepunyk>he is baCK
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02:44<deepunyk>jm
02:44<hustler7>ya i am
02:44<deepunyk>wassup?
02:44<hustler7>good
02:44<deepunyk>gaym
02:44<hustler7>come at me jm
02:44-!-mode/#debian [-b *!*john@117.240.123.*] by jm_
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02:45<Raid>no one is on #kali-linux
02:45<arto>Ria
02:45<Raid>Ria?
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02:45<arto>Raid: is not our fault
02:45<Raid>Ready in asia?
02:45<Raid>arto: ik
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02:46<@jm_>Raid: we can't help with that, also note it says it's on freenode, not here
02:46<Raid>Oh
02:46<Raid>lol
02:46<Raid>cheers then
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03:34<traumschule>since when is CUPS part of Apple?
03:34<jm_>quite a long time AFAIK
03:35<traumschule>is there a free replacement?
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03:36<petn-randall>traumschule: it's still free?
03:36<jm_>yeah it has apache license
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03:39<traumschule>i don't quite get it, how they can own a free source code. "In March 2002, Apple Inc. adopted CUPS as the printing system for Mac OS X 10.2.[5] In February 2007, Apple Inc. hired chief developer Michael Sweet and purchased the CUPS source code."
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03:41<jm_>licensing and copyright are two different topics
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03:41<Gabriel_7>traumschule: well they have ownership (copyright) on the code but they license it under an open-source license.
03:43<traumschule>what was their motivation to buy it then?
03:44<Gabriel_7>traumschule: they changed it from GPLv2 to Apache 2 license apparently
03:44<Gabriel_7>traumschule: they can only do that if they have copyright on the code
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03:45<Gabriel_7>traumschule: and before that they were bound to the GPLv2 license when using it
03:46<traumschule>interesting, thanks.
03:46<traumschule>so they wanted to include their drivers probably.
03:46<Gabriel_7>traumschule: if they had not and CUPS decided to switch to GPLv3 they would have the choice of forking and to stay on GPLv2 or use GPLv3 code which they probably don't want to.
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03:48<traumschule>it is to ensure that software included in their OS will not become too free?
03:49<Gabriel_7>traumschule: I don't know why they did it :) This is only a possible reason for doing getting copyright on the software.
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03:55<arto>traumshcule: when mac moved to bsd-unix, cups was already working printing system, but license was open, so they could not make it proprietary
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03:59<traumschule>they made it proprietary then? thought apache is somehow free
04:01<arto>traumschule: os licenses are freely readable in web, i don't think it is relevant to go through them here
04:02<traumschule>anyway I have a practical problem with my CP1217, after installing printer-driver-hpcups the printer status is "stopped, driver failed".
04:03<traumschule>how shall normal users solve such an issue - they will just say: printing on linux does not work
04:05<arto>traumschule: https://www.openprinting.org/printer/HP/HP-Color_LaserJet_CP1215
04:05<arto>traumshcule: cp1215 is enough close
04:06<traumschule>this is the error I see https://paste.debian.net/1021917/
04:06<arto>traumschule: net search [printer] linux
04:07<arto>traumschule: also a general rule for linux users, solve if peripheral works in linux before buying
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04:08<traumschule>printer-driver-foo2zjs (foo2hp) is already installed
04:08<traumschule>the usual case for me is to help people with their printers to make them less desparate, but its not easy :)
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04:09<jm_>hmm haven't found that error on the codesearch site
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04:10<arto>traumshcule: have you installed that printer in cups, and right driver
04:10<traumschule>it is installed in cups. during installed the driver was named with "needs proprietary driver". on the hp site they claimed that all their printers are supported by cups.
04:11<jm_>wait, so you are using the drive from HP site?
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04:13<arto>traumschule: open localhost:631 and see printers
04:13<traumschule>i installed cups, tried to add the printer, installed some more packages, the printer is added and accepts jobs in cups
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04:14<jm_>so you only used debian packages, no third party files?
04:14<traumschule>arto: right, http://localhost:631/printers/HP_Color_LaserJet_CP1217 tells me "Status stopped "Filter failed"
04:14<traumschule>jm_: yes, and I hope its all free software
04:14<arto>traumschule: and that tells about wrong driver
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04:15<traumschule>arto: I don know exactly what it tells me :)
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04:15<arto>traumscule: reject jobs, resume printer and try to print test page, same error?
04:15<jm_>maybe follow what it tells you: Hint: Try setting the LogLevel to "debug" to find out more.
04:16<traumschule>I could try to raise the cups debug level, but I need to find out how first
04:16<jm_>LogLevel in /etc/cups/cupsd.conf probably
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04:17<arto>Lot can be done directly in cups web page, but i don't rememeber it all
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04:19<traumschule>https://paste.debian.net/1021919/
04:20<tesko>anyone else have that yahoo browser hijack?
04:20<tesko>firefox?
04:21<arto>tramschule: Using profile ID "Deskjet-2540-series-RGB.."
04:22<traumschule>arto: that could explain broken pipe and dirty files, will delete and add it again
04:22<arto>traumschule: good idea
04:22<jm_>traumschule: you said you used debian packages only, but there's no file name HP_Color_LaserJet_CP1217.ppd in debian
04:23<jm_>it also says Printer model: HP Color LaserJet cp1217 hpijs, 3.17.10, requires proprietary plugin
04:24<traumschule>at the page to choose the model I choose the option "HP Color LaserJet cp1217, hpcups 3.17.10, requires proprietary plugin (en) "
04:24<arto>printer-driver-foo2zjs/stable 20160902dfsg0-2+b1
04:24<traumschule>does this mean I have to install this plugin?
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04:24<jm_>good question, I have no idea
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04:25<jm_>maybe what arto mentioned above
04:25<arto>that package includes foo2hp
04:26<jm_>indeed
04:26<arto>jm_: thanks for verifying
04:27<traumschule>"ii printer-driver-foo2zjs 20170320dfsg0-4 i386 " - thanks for your support BTW!
04:29<arto>traumschule: so delete printer, install again and select foo2hp for driver
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04:36<traumschule>arto: I don't know where to select that, it's not offered in the model list. the error after using above option still is "Error: This module is designed to work with HP Printers only STATE: +hplip.plugin-error"
04:37<jm_>maybe a newer version is needed
04:38<traumschule>cups is 2.2.7-3 or do you mean sth else?
04:39<jm_>newer version of printer-driver-foo2zjs
04:39<jm_>,checkbackport printer-driver-foo2zjs
04:40<judd>Backporting package printer-driver-foo2zjs in sid→stretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch.
04:40<jm_>looks like it should be doable
04:40<jm_>!ssb
04:40<dpkg>First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
04:41<jm_>try that
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04:42<traumschule>i will have a break here, if you think its useful I can send a bug report to the cups list later.
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04:42<traumschule>thanks for your help!
04:44<jm_>well that's also worth a shot
04:44<jm_>no problem
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04:45<arto>traumschle: last option: download driver from hp
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04:50<arto>tramschule: that's how i got my sister's printer working
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04:56<arto>traumschule: propblem then was that printer require newer hplip than debian had
04:57<arto>traumshule: good to check, if hp does say anything about linux compatibility, ensures you are not hunting ghosts
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05:30<zmitya>hi guys
05:32<zmitya>how can I delete this bridge interface ?
05:32<zmitya>http://paste.debian.net/1021935/
05:32<zmitya>"brctl delif br0" asks for a device... but what is the device here ?
05:33<arto>traumschule: i know you are on break, but noted something quite noteworthy: http://foo2hp.rkkda.com/
05:33<arto>*** DON'T USE the foo2zjs package from:
05:33<arto> Arch, BSD, Debian,Debian Fedora, Gentoo, MacOSX, Mandrake/Manrivia, RedHat, SUSE, Ubuntu, or Xandros!
05:33<arto>*** Download it here and follow the directions below.
05:35<peter1138>More devs getting overly annoyed about bug reports against older versions. Probvably.
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06:11<traumschule>it works now with foo2hp and cups choosing cp1215. THANKS arto!
06:11<arto>tramschule:ok, forget all i said afterwards. That is great news
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06:19<traumschule>i installed it manually as told on the page you gave above. btw we use the same printer without problems on a ubuntu system as well.
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06:20<arto>tramschule: good to hear you were able to do that yourself, good knowlegde for future
06:21<arto>tramschule: ubuntu is in certain things more advanced than tebian (stable), but debian will get there. Most important is that you can use your printer now.
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06:23<traumschule>i like compiling things although people often say its a waste of time and tend to use windows. then I am motivated even more to make it work :)
06:23<arto>tramscuhle: right attitude!
06:25<arto>tramschule: perhaps I have used cups a lit longer than you, for me usb-printers are quite easy
06:27<traumschule>for curiosity i switched from bionic to buster on an old T43 and see some problems that aren't there on ubuntu. for example wifi (Intel PRO/Wireless 2915ABG [Calexico2]) does not work after standby, but this is sth for #debian-next ...
06:28<traumschule>i am using cups since more than ten years now but it's stil a challenge sometimes
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06:30<traumschule>from my experience on debian usually there is no boundary between usage and development, on ubuntu its more smooth mostly
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06:30<arto>tramschule: me bit longer, but I allways learn more
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06:30<arto>tramshcule: basic philosophy is slighty different between debian and ubuntu
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06:32<traumschule>also i am happy that the printer works now the way you suggested is actually not the debian way and it may be worth to find out, why the packaged foo2hp is not working.
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06:33<arto>tramschule: ...it depends, I think I could install that printer quite debian way
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06:34<arto>tramschule: but you have a working printer, it does not matter how got there
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06:35<traumschule>true, point is many users would've given up before
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06:37<arto>tramschule: many debian users do use printers. Ask the right questions, like you did.
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06:47<traumschule>the wiki suggests to check the hp page or to use hannah-foo2zjs https://wiki.debian.org/PrintQueuesCUPS#driver - hp claim that their binary plugin is needed for the cp1217 https://developers.hp.com/hp-linux-imaging-and-printing/binary_plugin.html - maybe its worth to add a link to foo2hp as well
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06:48<arto>tramschule: wiki is good, but not always up to date
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06:48<arto>tramschule: nice if you provide that info
06:48<jm_>you can edit the wiki yourself
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06:59<detly>I'm looking for a desktop environment that is suited for a media centre style computer. It can't be Kodi because Kodi doesn't really do DE things like launch arbitrary programs. But DEs like Gnome, KDE, XFCE require proficiency I don't really want to force on other users.
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06:59<detly>Basically I want something I can set up with super obvious, simple options; huge icons, readable text at a distance, etc. but can also do other DE things (so not a strict kiosk).
07:01<traumschule>i registered at the wiki, the confirmation mail seems to take some time. will do it later then if I find time. I'd add a hint on foo2hp to the hp paragraph and replace the link to the ZjStream protocol as the current one is broken.
07:02<detly>I tried searching for something that fits this, but mostly I found breakdowns of Gnome vs KDE vs etc, or tiling window managers
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08:04<GyrosGeier>detly, Kodi can launch arbitrary programs
08:05<GyrosGeier>you find them under the "Programs" tab then
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08:17<detly>GyrosGeier: last time I tried this it had massive problems with display (eg. browser windows 1/4 size of screen, no window controls, programs displaying half off screen). When I Googled it, the common response was "Kodi is media centre software, it's not for running arbitrary programs". So maybe that's changed in the last year or so, I could take another look. But I still want to see if there's a better fit
08:17<detly>for that.
08:18<detly>In fact, there's a lot of advice on the forums to not run Kodi as a standalone DE session, but as a program under something light like XFCE or LXDE.
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08:22<GyrosGeier>yes
08:22<GyrosGeier>there is lots of "works for me" involved
08:24<detly>hmm
08:25<detly>my fallback (ie. what I used to use) is XFCE with resized icons
08:25<detly>still a bit fiddly on a TV with a mini keyboard/trackpad, but does the job
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08:26<GyrosGeier>I normally run ratpoison or something such that goes out of the way
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08:27<detly>I see a lot of results for simple window managers, but not a lot for simple DEs, which is not a huge surprise :)
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08:29<tarzeau>detly: does a window manager + filemanager make it a DE? amiwm+worker, wmaker+gworkspace?
08:30<detly>tarzeau: perhaps. I don't really care about the *technical* distinction here, but the result should be something simple in terms of interface (so while eg. i3 might be considered simple in a way, it's not really easy for a random person to use)
08:31<detly>given that pretty much any use of this system would be full screen application, I don't think the WM makes a big difference
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08:39<detly>thanks for the pointers, I'll look into some of the less well known WMs and figure something out
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09:40<Siecje>Is it possible to not include SFTP login messages in syslog? Periodically I have a script connect with SFTP. In syslog I see
09:40<Siecje>Apr 25 09:39:58 hostname systemd[1]: Starting Session 334728 of user $user.
09:42<petn-randall>Siecje: Sure, you can configure rsyslog to drop certain messages. See the upstream documentation for details.
09:43<Siecje>petn-randall: I also get those messages when I SSH into the computer.
09:43<bremner>why do they bother you?
09:43<Siecje>Is it possible to only not have the SFTP one?
09:43<Siecje>bremner: Just noise.
09:44<Brigo>Siecje, check the sftp configuration
09:45<Siecje>Brigo: I'm using OpenSSH and there doesn't seem to be anything in /etc/ssh/sshd_config
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09:47<Brigo>openssh can work as a sftp server? didn't know that.
09:48<Siecje>Is there another SFTP server?
09:48<tarzeau>gnu ssh, dropbear, lsh maybe?
09:48<Siecje>dropbear doesn't work as SFTP server.
09:49<tarzeau>Siecje: indeed
09:51<petn-randall>Siecje: It's starting a bit to sound like you're trying to hide your system access.
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09:53<Siecje>petn-randall: I just want to hide it for that user which is SFTP only.
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09:54<Siecje>I found this https://access.redhat.com/solutions/1564823
09:54<Siecje>if $programname == "systemd" and ($msg contains "of user testsftp.") and ($msg contains "Starting Session" or $msg contains "Started Session") then stop
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12:44<carl>Hi Guys evetytime that I update some program it charge all these languages that I dont need and it needs time and waste of megabytes is it normal? https://paste.debian.net/1022008/
12:47<petn-randall>!bat
12:47<dpkg>In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use http://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
12:47<petn-randall>carl: Can you provide *all* of the above in a single paste, showing your problem?
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12:53<carl>sure, it's ready: https://paste.debian.net/1022011/
12:53<carl>petn-randall, ready
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12:55<arto>carl: are your localels set?
12:55<arto>locales
12:55<carl>I guess so
12:56<petn-randall>carl: Those are older, installed packages that get upgraded when you run 'apt full-upgrade'
12:56<arto>carl: what gives command: locale
12:56<petn-randall>carl: If you don't want those packages, uninstall them.
12:57<carl>just those of libreoffice? I could try from synaptic
12:57<carl>I need libreoffice but not all these languages
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12:59<carl>locale output: https://paste.debian.net/1022013/
13:01<arto>carl: locales ok
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13:03<carl>from synaptic is better remove or complete remove?
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13:04<peter1138>Depends if you want to keep your configuration.
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13:05<arto>carl: I'd do from console: apt purge libre-office*, then install just those you need
13:05<carl>i have no configuration on libreoffice
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13:22<carl>1000 mega removed. Thanks guys
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13:37<hubot_>hi! i've problem with vps. i'm getting permission denied
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13:40<mnuhmnuh>carlos: dpkg-reconfigure locales - select/de-select.
13:41<mnuhmnuh>sorry, for carl?
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13:43<blast007>hubot_: is it a VPS running Debian? you'll need to provide a bit more information than that.
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13:47<phantomcircuit>my wireless interface is being renamed from wlan0 to wlp4s0 after hostapd is run
13:48<phantomcircuit>how can i fix the order there?
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13:53<blast007>phantomcircuit: was that a system that was upgraded from Jessie to Stretch? Stretch introduced a new method for naming
13:53<blast007>https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html#new-interface-names
13:54<phantomcircuit>no it's 9.4 new install
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13:55<blast007>then I would think it wouldn't be using 'wlan0' at all
13:56<phantomcircuit>the kmod-static-nodes service is doing the renaming
13:56<phantomcircuit>but hostapd depends on net-online, which doesn't seem to depend on kmod-static-nodes ?
13:57<blast007>what is the issue that you're trying to solve?
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14:09*mnuhmnuh i hate issues.
14:11<phantomcircuit>blast007, hostapd doesn't work at system start, but does when started manually immediately after boot
14:11<phantomcircuit>the only obvious issue is the interface naming thing
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16:10<firsttimeonirc>hello? i', on irc the first time, how do i use this?
16:12<retrospectacus>most new users just type random shit until they get kicked out of the channel
16:13<retrospectacus>This channel is for Debian support. Try #moocows for general chat
16:13<firsttimeonirc>thanks
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16:45<carl>hi guys I use debian stable gnome, I am trying mate but I can't find the touchpad window in it, on gnome there is all ok. I have read that this happen of a conflict and the advice was to give these 2 commands what do you think? https://paste.debian.net/1022047/ It seems that there is a conflict so this command will activate the mate, do you think is ok? do you have better advice? anyway I doing this change I would not want then have problems with gnome
16:45<carl>because that is actually the main DE that I use.
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16:49<mnuhmnuh>i would not do https://paste.debian.net/1022047/ without a lot of research
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16:52<mnuhmnuh>looks silly.
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16:53<carl>it looks dangerous
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17:00<mnuhmnuh>and dumb. we agree. let the banners ring out and the curtains fly! Bugs: "Eh, what's up doc?"
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17:02<carl>mnuhmnuh, what do you mean?
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17:16<michael__>hello
17:17<michael__>is anyone else here?
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17:26<mnuhmnuh>michael__: try "!hi"
17:27<michael__>!hi
17:27<dpkg>hello, michael__
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18:20<keantoken>Today I got a bunch of certificate errors in apt update for no apparent reason.
18:20<keantoken>I reinstalled ca-certificates
18:20<keantoken>That fixed the problem.
18:20<keantoken>Any idea why this happens?
18:22<petn-randall>keantoken: By default this can't happen because the default apt repos don't have https URLs. What is the output of 'apt-cache policy'?
18:23<keantoken>https://pastebin.com/bT8sUzsr
18:24<keantoken>Maybe this happens because I installed repos with https addresses?
18:25<petn-randall>keantoken: Yes, those jitsi repos will require ca-certificates and apt-transport-https.
18:25<keantoken>Ah.
18:26<petn-randall>keantoken: Personally I'd just leave it on http, the security is in the signed release files. Transport encryption doesn't add any safety to it.
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18:27<keantoken>I added them on instruction, so I will tell the source what you told me.
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18:29<petn-randall>keantoken: I'm guessing jitsi just by default redirects to https, so it's easier for them to configure.
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19:50<kpcyrd>I found this bugreport in debian: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=893280, I found identical bugreports on fedora as well and I run into this bug about once a week on archlinux. Is there a known workaround? Anything I can do to help track down that bug?
19:50<judd>Bug http://bugs.debian.org/893280 in src:linux (open): «linux-image-4.15.0-1-amd64: Crash in nouveau kernel code»; severity: normal; opened: 2018-03-17; last modified: 2018-03-17.
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19:51<kpcyrd>I assume it's ok to ask here, given this seems to be a kernel bug
19:52<bremner>judd: kernels
19:52<judd>Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.16.0-rc6-686 (4.16~rc6-1~exp1); sid: 4.15.0-3-686-pae (4.15.17-1); buster: 4.15.0-3-686-pae (4.15.17-1); stretch-backports: 4.15.0-0.bpo.2-686 (4.15.11-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-6-686-pae (4.9.82-1+deb9u3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.82-1+deb9u3~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-5-686-pae (3.16.51-3+deb8u1); wheezy-backports:
19:52<judd>3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-5-686-pae (3.2.96-3)
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19:54<kpcyrd>bremner: huh?
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19:55<bremner>I was just curious if that kernel was available in Debian stable. I looks like it is isn't; I don't know if the bug also happens in the version in debian-stable-backports
19:56<red>hello can someone help me with gnome-keyring?
19:57<bremner>kpcyrd: but I don't really understand why you don't ask #archlinux about arch
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19:59<kpcyrd>bremner: already did that, but it seems this bug affects every distro, given the kernel errors at exactly the same address
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21:28<twb>I heard a rumour that I can do NFSv4 without kerberos
21:28<twb>How? The docs seem to assume that you'll kerberoze it
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21:40<Hydroxide>twb: if you aren't trying to authenticate, encrypt, guarantee data integrity, etc but simply use NFSv4 in the way you'd use NFSv3, you don't need kerberos
21:40<Hydroxide>many of those extra bonus things do.
21:40<twb>OK.
21:40<twb>This is actually for exporting a directory tree to a VM, so while waiting I noticed some other options specifically for that, and I'm playing with them first
21:41<twb>https://libvirt.org/formatdomain.html#elementsFilesystems
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21:41<Hydroxide>the non-kerberos way assumes you trust the machines and networks involved enough for your security neeeds. for a personal dev/hobby machine where you just want to cross a local VM boundary, that might actually be true
21:42<Hydroxide>but yeah, something simpler and more purpose-targeted than NFSv4 will be nicer if feasible
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21:50<twb>Yeah I 100% understand that unkerberized gives ultimate trust to every host on the LAN
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22:07<twb>FYI that seems to actually be working
22:07<twb><filesystem type="mount" accessmode="mapped"><source dir="/tank-hdd/x_drive_test" /><target dir="/tank/x_drive" /></filesystem>
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22:07<twb>Then in the VM: debian:~# mount -t 9p -otrans=virtio,rw,version=9p2000.L /tank/x_drive /mnt/umount-me/
22:08<twb>55s to walk the directory tree
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22:12<twb>and 1m28s to do the same walk on the old host
22:12<twb>so it's actually BETTER than before :-)
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22:32<jaybee>Hi there everyone
22:32<jaybee>Mew friends here?
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22:33<dvs>This channel is a technical help one.
22:33<jaybee>Which is why I am here @dvs
22:33<jaybee>Good to meet you (:
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22:34<twb>I thought they were asking for help with the package "mew"
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22:38<bremner>me too. but we might be the only two
22:38<twb>(I also thought this was #emacs --- http://www.mew.org/ )
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23:58<zorop>sup
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