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#debian IRC Logs for 2018-04-26

---Logopened Thu Apr 26 00:00:07 2018
---Daychanged Thu Apr 26 2018
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00:02<twb>ADHD, apparently
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00:04<twb>https://icd.who.int/dev11/l-m/en#/http%3a%2f%2fid.who.int%2ficd%2fentity%2f821852937
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00:13<Hydroxide>twb: please let's not turn #debian inito a place to casually diagnose people with neurodivergent brain types or other neurological / mental health conditions based on intermittent connectivity...
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00:14<twb>Sorry
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00:14<twb>I was trying to be flippant, but failed
00:15<Hydroxide>thanks. I have no problem with a modicum of flippancy, but other topics are probably better suited to it
00:16<twb>Like whether north korea faked the moon landings!
00:17<Hydroxide>heh
00:17<twb>Kim was a big movie buff after all
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00:19<twb>(He wrote a textbook about filmmaking, and he kidnapped several actors and forced them to be in his films.)
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01:06<shreyansh_k>Thank you giving me an opportunity to contribute to debian via gsoc. Writing to say hello.
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01:07<twb>shreyansh_k: what were you working on?
01:08<shreyansh_k>twb: I'm working on this: https://wiki.debian.org/SummerOfCode2018/Projects#SummerOfCode2018.2FProjects.2FBootTorrent.Boot_many_machines_via_bittorrent
01:09<twb>shreyansh_k: that is very interesting
01:09<twb>shreyansh_k: are you going to integrate that with live-boot-initramfs-tools ?
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01:11<shreyansh_k>twb: If time allows me to do that...
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06:18<grove>I've just heard the first good argument against Debian ever: If you celebrate new releases of your os with cake, you get less cake when running Debian
06:18<grove>(sorry, that was offtopic)
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06:19<arto>grove: that's good, but only if you have not weight problems :) (offtopic, could not resist!)
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07:29<olspookishmagus>what's the equivalent of 'apt-get build-dep foo' when using apt-cache? apt-cache depends?
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07:32<olspookishmagus>no I don't think so that's the case
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07:37<llandon>olspookishmagus: there is no exact equivalent. But maybe `apt-cache showsrc <package>|grep 'Build-Depends'` fits your needs
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07:44<olspookishmagus>llandon: thanks, what are the differences between: apt-cache [(show)|(showpkg)|(showsrc)] ?
07:45<duclicsic>does the man page not describe the options at all?
07:46<olspookishmagus>ok duclicsic I got the message
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08:10<guilherme>Hi all, why debian does not have the low latency kernel? Why just the RT?
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10:13<hamid54>Hi everyone
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10:15<hamid54>I have a problem with my system. Can I ask for help here?
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10:16<bremner>hamid54: if your system is debian stable, then yes
10:16<bremner>or oldstable, I guess
10:18<hamid54>@ bremner yes . Debian Stretch stable.
10:19<grove>!ask
10:19<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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10:21<ditvelo>hello?
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10:22<hamid54>I was able to connect my laptop to university IP printer for some time but suddenly I was not able to print. Tried to reinstall the printer but cannot find the printer anymore. Ping to the IP address works from the terminal, however. What I did during that time was an update and removing a few packages.
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10:24<hamid54>The network and all other computers are running Win 7, the printer brand in Richo.
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10:26<hamid54>I did all of the suggestions proposed in several google searches. Thank you all for taking your time to answer my question. This is my first time in this chat room. So my appologies for not being familier with the rules.
10:28<demo>alternavites for gnome-commander other???
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10:35<arto>hamid54: can you tell something more that printer is ricoch and you can't printer anymore, is is a network printer etc.?
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10:39<hamid54>Yes. It is a network printer with an IP address. I also tried http://localhost:631 to use CUPServer but no luck. I thought i might have removed an important package or something so reinstalled CUP again. But did not work. CUP config file seems to be OK too.
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10:39<arto>hamid54: what packages you rmoved and why?
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10:43<arto>hamid54: i don't see you need cups, ppd file for printer, and what protoćol and address it uses
10:43<hamid54>First I wanted to install biology related metapackages from Debian repository, which gave me an error and I had to reconfigure dpkg for several times. there were 2 packages that I do not remember their name, preventing the <dpkg> to be reconfigured and I removed them.
10:45<hamid54>The IP address of the printer is 10:12:118:113 and is a local network printer
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10:45<arto>hamid54: and what is the model of printer?
10:46<hamid54>Richo Africo M2852 sp
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10:49<hamid54>It is a multifunctional copy/print/scan machine. the first time I conected to the printer, it was so easy. Just entered its IP address and the printer setting program found it, but now it says no printer was found. If I manually enter all the parametes and try to print a test page, it says printer is not responding. The printer is not connected.
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10:50<arto>hamid54: is that cups error: printer not responding?
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10:54<hamid54>cups says no printer found. After printing the testpage a notification will apear on top of the screen saying that printer not responding / printer not connected. When i go to the printer setting and check the printer jobs it says printer not responding. If I use cups server the it is same .
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10:55<arto>hamdid54: i suggest you delete printer in cups, and install it again
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10:56<blast007>does the printer just need a reboot?
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10:59<arto>i don't think is printer problem, if it works for win clients
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11:00<blast007>they don't necessarily use the same protocol, so whatever subsystem/daemon they talk to on the printer may be working
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11:05<hamid54>I did remove the printer and tryed to install it again but now the printer cannot be found at all.
11:05<hamid54>printer is working properly for others and is online. several other computers are connected to it.
11:06<blast007>for other Debian systems?
11:07<hamid54>No all others are Window computers. I will reboot the printer tomorrow anyway.
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11:10<hamid54>Thank you all for your time and suggestions. After a reboot of the printer I will come back tomorrow. Best regards and have a nice time.
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12:07<Eradik>Anyway to reset a remote machine's IP tables if the connection is being refused? Screwed up IP Tables, server is responding to pings but will not accept a connection
12:07<Eradik>accept an SSH connection*
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12:13<jc>if you blocked the ssh port you'll have to access the machine some other way.
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12:15<Eradik>that's what I feared, I was following a tutorial to set up openVPN and it killed it
12:15<blast007>if you don't have anything set up to save and reload your firewall rules, you can reboot the system
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12:17<Eradik>Sounds good. I'll have to drive to it anyway to reboot it so I can just flush the iptables then. Was just hoping maybe I didn't break something too terribly bad and could still do remote
12:18<Eradik>it's an hour away
12:18<Eradik>:)
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12:20<Eradik>Thank you both
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12:21<blast007>for the future, I'd recommend saving your old rules to a file, and have a script running thats wait 5 minutes and then reloads that old rules file
12:21<blast007>that waits*
12:21<Eradik>oh that's a really good idea
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12:22<Eradik>I use teamviewer on my home machine to ssh into my home server, and I forgot when I flushed IPtables and reloaded that it had configuration for that. So totally my mistake lol
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12:24<redaemon>o/
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12:25<redaemon>anyone here?
12:25<blast007>yes
12:25<redaemon>neat
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12:27<blast007>Eradik: oh, and also running it all inside of a screen or tmux session, so it doesn't kill the script when/if the SSH connection gets killed :)
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12:28<Eradik>I will research how to do that, thanks!
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13:19<morfeu>servidor brazil kade?
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13:20<dboles>!br
13:20<dpkg>Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues.
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13:32<toor>hello?
13:32<toor>is anybody there to help me lmo
13:32<toor>lmao
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13:41<Eradik>hello
13:42<dboles>hi everyone and please:
13:42<dboles>!ask
13:42<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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13:46<mnuhmnuh>any ideas why mate's sound config tool says disabled? how to enable? https://paste.debian.net/1022183/
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13:48<arhiteck>ou hello watsap guys)
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14:01<peter1138>mnuhmnuh, well that paste is about a dvb card, so...
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14:23<mnuhmnuh>peter1138: are you saying cx23885 that shows up in mate's sound config disabled is not an audio device, cuz gkrellm thinks it's an audio device too.
14:23<peter1138>cx23885 is a tv capture card.
14:24<peter1138>presumably it also has audio capture.
14:24<mnuhmnuh>i don't even know what a dvb card is. this card was in there when i got it.
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14:25<mnuhmnuh>sounds like the ideal Russian internet pornstar tool. video --> youporn.com.
14:26<peter1138>Looks like it's a combined DVB/analogue tv capture card. There is an audio interface but it's for capture of analogue tv audio.
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14:28<mnuhmnuh>peter1138: thankyou. that's something i can happily ignore from here on in. i thought it might get me stereo output, which hdaudio (mboard) won't.
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14:40<ach>that's the question in i know about the tv pal for fucks the chip who encrypts the tv signal was in some 19th century that they should do the audio signal directly untouched in the mb birdge to gather the sound
14:41<ach>so conformed a standard
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14:42<finn>I'm trying to figure out how to setup printing on my debian install. I didn't install a DE, and aparently didn't install the print server at install. I've now installed task-print-server (per https://wiki.debian.org/SystemPrinting), but system-config-printers refuses to add new printers (clicking the final "apply" button doesn't result in anything happening, that I can tell) and the cups web UI
14:43<finn>says forbidden when i log in to try to add a printer
14:43<finn>wow, sorry for long message
14:43<finn>i feel like I need to be in some group or something, but I dont see anything to indicate which group that would be
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14:44<bremner>finn: I think cups looks for group lpadmin
14:44<mnuhmnuh>as long as you're not spouting nazi/n* !@#$, it's cool.
14:44<finn>bremner: perfect, thanks
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14:46<mnuhmnuh>systemctl status cups
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15:03<finn>hrm
15:04<finn>mnuhmnuh: cups is running, i was able to connect to it's web service
15:04<finn>bremner: looks like that worked, at least for the web UI
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15:05<finn>system-config-printer still won't apply, but i used newgrp to add the group to the shell i launched it from and I feel like maybe I have to actually log out and log back in for it to work
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15:10<bremner>I'm not familiar with system-config-printer; lately I always use the cups web interface
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15:12<finn>system-config-printer is a gtk GUI for configuring printers, it does a better job of automatically selecting drivers and whatnot than the web UI
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15:12<finn>the web UI made me select the make and model of the printer, then choose a driver... required scrolling through a huge list of every printer HP has ever manufactured
15:13<finn>system-config-printer had a dialog that said "determing required drivers" or something for ~3 seconds, then moved on to the next step without any interaction from me
15:13<finn>that's the only feature difference i know of, but i leads me to prefer system-config-printer
15:14<finn>anyway, thanks all for your help, im going to go get my print job
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15:29<ais-admin_>LG G Pad F 8.0 usb connect to Debian Wheezy - Can browse device ok - cannot move files - receive libmtp error - searching results in lots of advice re old/obsolete packages. My google-fu has failed me on this one. Anyone have experience?
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15:35<jc>ais-admin_, have you tried using android-tools-adb?
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15:52<ais-admin_>never came up in my search - thanks jc will investigate
15:57<Blacker47>ais-admin_, alternativ way: https://f-droid.org/packages/org.primftpd/
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15:59<mnuhmnuh>ais-admin_: ssh scp et al don't work?
16:00<ais-admin_>the f-droid package looks handy - thanks Blacker47
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16:00<ais-admin_>never got that far mnuh
16:01<ais-admin_>It might but I was looking for the lazy way
16:01<mnuhmnuh>that's where i would have gone first.
16:02<mnuhmnuh>different strokes.
16:02<ais-admin_>do droids run ssh servers as part of a default setup?
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16:03<mnuhmnuh>if you need to get into them, they run sshd
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16:03<ais-admin_>hmm didnt know that - handy
16:03<ais-admin_>I could just scp into the thing then - nice - will try
16:03<mnuhmnuh>no, you need to ensure they do.
16:04<mnuhmnuh>if you need to get into them, they run sshd
16:04<mnuhmnuh>:-)
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16:05<ais-admin_>oic - ok will see if I can
16:06<ais-admin_>would be much better than mtp which appears to be noones favorite
16:06<mnuhmnuh>you're always just a touch or rm from /etc/ssh/sshd_not_to_be_run
16:07<ais-admin_>on an unrooted device?
16:07<mnuhmnuh>if that file exists, sshd won't.
16:08<ais-admin_>didn't think you could access /etc on an unrooted device
16:11<mnuhmnuh>what is it you mean by "unrooted device"?
16:12<ais-admin_>I do not have root privileges on the android device
16:12<mnuhmnuh>ah! root! got ya. sheesh.
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16:12<ais-admin_>tried towelroot but couldnt find appropriate modstrings
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16:15<ais-admin_>towelroot worked on my galaxy S4 - not on the LG G Pad
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16:16<mnuhmnuh>ais-admin_: i have no idea what that means. towelroot. fneh ... yeah, /tmp is generally open! see /etc/default/*
16:17<ais-admin_>towelroot is an apk that uses a kernel exploit to root android devices. handy little thing
16:18<ais-admin_>without root you cant really get anywhere other than userspace storage areas
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16:18<ais-admin_>spose I'll have to risk rooting with some other tool
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16:21<ais-admin_>anyway thx for the tip on the sshd_not_to_be_run file - good thing to know
16:23<mnuhmnuh>:-) basics.
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16:25<ais-admin_>not really a droid xpert - learned what I needed and then went back to work... :-)
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16:26<ais-admin_>getting the free hand-me-down tablet has made me interested again though
16:26<ais-admin_>hence me running into the libmtp error problems
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16:28<at0m>ais-admin_: maybe check if your device has a lineageos release for it. at least you won't have to get dirty haxx to get root. but that's out of #debian's scope.
16:28<ais-admin_>will investigate - thx
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16:35<ach>is their the log say anything about file can't recieved or transfered
16:36<ach>is their a fail in log from libmtp that can made explain about libmtp says
16:38<jc>ais-admin_, t-mobile or at&t variant?
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16:46<ach>try the one from git or look if a debian package is missing
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16:58<ach>are you in the uucp group
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17:15<ais-admin_>sorry was away - at&t variant
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17:20<ach>devices tried and work or just single hardware owner
17:25<ais-admin_>not sure what you mean ach but its a handmedown with no SIM card - I unlocked it.
17:25<ais-admin_>havent rooted it yet
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17:27<ach>cause you should debian look maybe like arch linux the user you plug usb isn't in group uucp?
17:28<jc>ais-admin_, here's what looks like root/recovery methods and some other stuff: https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g-pad-83/general/lg-gpad-8-0-lg-v490-t3116981
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17:28<ais-admin_>no sorry - realize we've gotten off topic. I'll take my query to a more appropriate forum. Started with a libmtp error under wheezy so asked here. Thx for your assistance
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17:29<jc>well, android-tools-adb is on topic and would be helpful.
17:30<ais-admin_>yes thanks for that - will get that for certain.
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20:14<hamid54>Hi all. I came back with my network printing problem. The printer was restarted this morning but the problem was not solved. I tried again Ping <IP address>, it works, but nmap <IP address> says host seems down!! Any ideas why?
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20:18<ais-admin_>dont know why nmap cant ping it but... printer is probably listening on port 9100 (not part of nmap default scan) - try having nmap scan 9100
20:18<ais-admin_>it should find an open port
20:19<futune>how can I make the initramfs decrypt luks before doing zpool import?
20:19<futune>or more generally change the order of initramfs hook actions
20:20<ach>has the printer an mac address filter?
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20:21<ais-admin_>you can do a "nmap -p- x.x.x.x" to scan all 65535 ports as well
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20:22<ach>is it an wireless printer or hardwired?
20:26<ais-admin_>oh I lied - 9100 IS part of the default 'regular' nmap scan. nevermind...
20:28<hamid54>mb@debian:~$ nmap -p- 10.12.108.113
20:28<hamid54>Starting Nmap 7.40 ( https://nmap.org ) at 2018-04-27 10:26 AEST
20:28<hamid54>Note: Host seems down. If it is really up, but blocking our ping probes, try -Pn
20:28<hamid54>Nmap done: 1 IP address (0 hosts up) scanned in 1.27 seconds
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20:28<ais-admin_>you are nmap'ing from the same machine you are pinging from?
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20:30<hamid54>The printer is hardwired. I was able to use it with my laptop last week. but suddenly this problem came out. Tried to reinstall the printer and now i cannot find the printer with its IP address.
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20:31<hamid54>mb@debian:~$ ping 10.12.108.113
20:31<hamid54>PING 10.12.108.113 (10.12.108.113) 56(84) bytes of data.
20:31<hamid54>64 bytes from 10.12.108.113: icmp_seq=1 ttl=254 time=0.436 ms
20:31<hamid54>64 bytes from 10.12.108.113: icmp_seq=2 ttl=254 time=0.494 ms
20:31<hamid54>64 bytes from 10.12.108.113: icmp_seq=3 ttl=254 time=0.530 ms
20:31<hamid54>64 bytes from 10.12.108.113: icmp_seq=4 ttl=254 time=0.576 ms
20:31<hamid54>64 bytes from 10.12.108.113: icmp_seq=5 ttl=254 time=0.578 ms
20:31<hamid54>64 bytes from 10.12.108.113: icmp_seq=6 ttl=254 time=0.527 ms
20:31<hamid54>64 bytes from 10.12.108.113: icmp_seq=7 ttl=254 time=0.529 ms
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20:31<hamid54>^C
20:31<hamid54>--- 10.12.108.113 ping statistics ---
20:31<hamid54>7 packets transmitted, 7 received, 0% packet loss, time 6149ms
20:31<hamid54>rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.436/0.524/0.578/0.048 ms
20:31<ach>as you tell i would say it's seriously a mac address filter from the side it's a network fail
20:31<ach>have you tried it by ipv6
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20:33<ais-admin_>whats the ip of the machine you're pinging from?
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20:34<ach>do you have the ability to connect fomr windows to the printer and look out if it has some configureing webserver or something?
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20:34<hamid54>No I have not tried ipv6 and do not know how to set up the cup to use it.My IP is : 137.166.76.143
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20:36<ach>can you tell the address of the gateway?
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20:36<hamid54>I can connect to the printer from a windows machine but need half an hour to do that and which type of information I should provide?
20:36<ais-admin_>that is a public ip - do you have a 10.0.0.0/8 address on your system as well?
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20:38<hamid54>No. I do not have another IP. We work at university and that is the way we can connect to the internet.
20:38<ais-admin_>yes Charles Sturt U
20:39<ach>it makes a bit sceptic?
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20:40<ais-admin_>how were you connected last week when the printer worked? from another location? to another access point?
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20:42<ach>can you give the output of your system of ip address and route on dpaste.de
20:43<twb>My load average is regularly exceeding the number of CPU cores. I want to find out why. Right now my two known options are 1) poll ps output every X seconds, then study it; or 2) learn how to drive sar(8) properly; or 3) set up collectd. Any other options?
20:45<ais-admin_>You will never be able to use the printer from where you are connected now (unless someone has routed all the 137.166.x.x public addresses from the outside into your internal 10.0.0.0/8 network (which would be a very bad thing)
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20:47<sney>and some cell isps use 10.x.x.x addresses as "wan" ranges, so there might be one routable that you can ping from your current address, though it's still not wise to print over the public internet, and it probably isn't even your printer anyway
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20:48<ais-admin_>exactly - sney is correct - the ping responses you are getting is not your printer
20:48<twb>sney: you're referring to CGNAT ?
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20:49*sney googles quickly
20:49<sney>yes
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20:50<twb>yaaaaay
20:51<sney>...probably, though that wouldn't explain how our user above is able to ping one of those 10.x.x.x addresses
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20:51<ais-admin_>something misconfigured upstream at the providers
20:52<ais-admin_>my provider uses internal addresses upstream as well for wierd stuff - you quickly get a private ip on your modem, then comes the public ip a few secodns later
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20:53<ais-admin_>like a dhcp relay of sorts I think
20:56<twb>blergh
20:56<hamid54>Ok. I was connected last week with the same laptop and same location. it is not possible to connect to the printer from outside Uni. Thus, you are right something from upstream is blocking my access. I better talk to IT people at Uni. Thank you for your advices anyway.
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20:59<ais-admin_>could be the Uni dhcp server is broke and thats why you're getting a public IP on your laptop - that shouldn't be happening. you should be getting assigned something in the 10.0.0.0/8 range
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20:59<ais-admin_>do you use any kind of cell data service on the laptop?
21:00<ach>could look a trace maybe by nmap
21:01<ach>so could look if it is anyhow possible find the problem
21:01<ais-admin_>yeah just "traceroute 10.12.108.113" and that would be interesting
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21:06<lhvf[m]>One question: What is the nickname at OFTC Network of "LaMont Jones" Debian / Ubuntu Developer (he are at Launchpad.net): @lamont or @lamont´ ?
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21:09<bremner>lhvf[m]: you can check at db.debian.org
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21:10<hamid54>mb@debian:~$ traceroute 10.12.108.113
21:10<hamid54>traceroute to 10.12.108.113 (10.12.108.113), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
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21:11<blast007>!paste
21:11<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastie.org/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <wgetpaste>.
21:11<hamid54>10 * * *
21:11<hamid54>11 * * gateway (137.166.77.254) 0.445 ms !X
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21:18<ach>it's hidden by the gateway
21:18<ais-admin_>wierd to get pongs though
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21:28<twb>Personally I prefer "mtr --report example.com"
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21:34<ach>i think it's a nat so it don't equal it wouldn't set the way back but also i don't think it's a network problem
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21:35<twb>What's the actual problem you're trying to solve?
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21:36<ach>for me it looked after the printer got a mac spesification
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21:37<ach>cause ping is fine and trace has notice
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21:43<ais-admin_>twb: user could print last week and can't this week - we discovered his laptop has a public ip and the printer has a private ip.
21:43<twb>ais-admin_: are you using cups?
21:44<ais-admin_>the user is, yes - user with problem is hamid54
21:44<twb>OK, run "lpstat -t" on that laptop and pastebin the output
21:44<ach>twb gone <3
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21:45<twb>if you can easily sketch a network diagram, do that, too
21:45<ais-admin_>yeah he left - we were jsut discussing how a thing could have happened
21:45<twb>Oh, I see
21:45<twb>In that case I don't care :-)
21:45<ais-admin_>hehe - right
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23:06-!-txgvnn is "txgvnn" on #openup #tor #debian-vn #debian
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23:57-!-bnw is "realname" on #debian-boot #dot #debian-zh #debian #debian-next
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