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04:06<desafder>i would like to reboot my computer . it's asking admin password each time . how do i disable that request ?
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04:10<desafder>i would like any operator sitting in front of computer should be able to reboot no pass required is that possible ?
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04:12<arto>desafder: sudo is one alternative
04:13<arto>desafder: and also xfce lets user to reboot without password
04:14<blaztek>LXDE is the same-no password
04:14<arto>desafder: I think that is possible in many modenrn de:s
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04:17<desafder>arto: my login manager won't let me reboot not sure which on it is
04:17<arto>desafder: which one are you using?
04:18<desafder>i am currently using debian jessie
04:18<arto>desafder: i'm on stretch
04:19<desafder>my hardware is not supported
04:19<arto>desafder: sudo can be configured per user and only one command and more
04:20<arto>desafder: hardly
04:21<arto>desafder: and some computers have reset switch, but that in any case is the last option
04:22<desafder>I want something simple one click on power icon & should reboot . my last option is to revert to win2000 server that i kept
04:23<arto>desafder: can't you upgrade?
04:23<desafder>nope
04:23<arto>desafder: maybe different kernel
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04:24<desafder>i use quite old hardware just as an idea i shutdown my last win 98 this January
04:24<arto>desafder: pooh, you should see this sub notebook :)
04:25<arto>desafder: running win 98 was this year was risky
04:26<desafder>we use computer to write code they never go on the net
04:26<arto>desafder: good you know
04:27<desafder>that win 98 never got to the web it worked as a charm for 20 yrs doing it's job
04:27<arto>desafder: win 98 also was the last win i used, but this is #debian
04:28<desafder>yes now i look for a replacement will it be debian ?
04:28<arto>desafder: to me 100%, but i don't know what you need
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04:29<desafder>but i have requirement operator should reboot this old computer from the login manager
04:30<arto>desafder: i vaguable remember, that gdm already at jessie let you shut down or reboot
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04:30<arto>desafder: so i would bet that is config problem
04:31<desafder>i have put jessie on it looks beatifull.... but we ran all updates this week end and now it asks for passwords to reboot
04:32<arto>desafder: sudo can be configured no password, but login sceen, i can't help you
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04:33<arto>desafder: still I think it is possible, does not depend on hw
04:34<arto>desafder: so it would require you to study lot of jessie internals
04:34<arto>jesander: stretch uses systemd, so thinks are quite different
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04:35<desafder>arto: i was hoping to go until 2020 with this hardware . maybe it's time to trash it . what a shame
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04:36<arto>desafder: jessies support will end before that
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04:36<arto>desafder: but generally newer hw at least in some aspects is easier
04:37<desafder>jessie support until April 2020
04:37<arto>desafder: thanks for correction
04:39<blaztek>desafder: let me check the DM I’m using...
04:40<arto>desafder: one thing came to mind, was jessie updated from previous version, or was it full installation?
04:40<desafder>blaztek how can I check my DM
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04:40<arto>desafder. ps aux
04:41<desafder>how about the gdm ?
04:41<arto>desafder: mine is lightdm
04:42<desafder>i meant how i fing the login manager installed here
04:42<arto>desafder: easier to see watch is currently running
04:42<arto>witch is currently...
04:43<desafder>currently the window manager is i3
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04:44<desafder>but the login manager( with reboot button & logging) i have to idea
04:44<arto>desafder: there is i3lock, have you installed that?
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04:46<blaztek>desafder: once logged in you can reboot/shutdown but my DM doesn’t allow me to shutdown or reboot...it’s greyed out
04:47<arto>in xfce that can be configured, what is enabled for user
04:47<desafder>that's the point no logging required . the operator should click on power button to reboot
04:49<arto>desafder: that could easily be programmed, sudo no-password reboot, and for example python and tkinter to make that button
04:49<desafder>but the user has only the loging manager no consol
04:52<arto>desafder: user would only see that button, button click generates reboot
04:53<desafder>ok i will look into that but the logging manager has no button just ask password from user . i don't understand your idea
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04:54<arto>desafder: we talk different things until you tell what login manager you are using
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04:54<desafder>how do i find the login manager used ?
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04:55<Anarka>ps aux| grep dm
04:55<Anarka>mayb :)
04:55<arto>desafder: already told that
04:55<arto>ps aux
04:56<blaztek>systemctl works too
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04:56<arto>defander: maybe paste that to some web service and give here the link
04:56<desafder>i think that machine was kde at start then got a i3 desktop the logging manager may be anything
04:57<arto>desafder: perhaps kdm, but you really should do that ps aux
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04:58<desafder>ok i think it's : /usr/sbin/gdm3
04:58<Anarka>there you go
04:58<arto>blazek: jessie did not have systemd
04:58<arto>desafder: how did you came to that conclusion?
04:59<desafder>arto: ps aux | grep dm
04:59<arto>desafder: odd, google gdm login reboot
04:59<arto>desafder: best advice I can gice
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05:01<arto>Anarka: ps aux | grep dm works, you always learn something...
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05:02<desafder>arto it return 6 /7 lines but only that one made snse
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05:03<arto>desafder: yes, but that is much better than about 50 lines, without | grep dm
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05:05<arto>desafder: web search suggest, gdm in deed has reboot and shutdown options
05:06<desafder>yes the option is there just that today it ask for admin password before doing so
05:07<arto>desafder; ok, you propably need that
05:08<arto>desafder: sorry, misread
05:08<desafder>so i understand the logging manager forward to systemd wich isn't on jessie so it reverts to asking the admin password
05:08<arto>desafder: should be configurable
05:09<arto>desafder: there was nothing about systemd in jessie
05:09<arto>defander: too obvious fault, would have been found during testing
05:10<arto>defander: to start, locate gdm settings and study those
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05:12<arto>defander: and web is your friend
05:12<desafder>arto: my hardware is so old no one test those part of the distribution . I think I am a last of a kind that kept off line old hardware & operating systems
05:13<arto>desafder: you should have red 'who uses old hw' in debian forums
05:14<arto>desafder: for example this i'm currently on, latest debian and kernel, notebook at least 15 years old
05:14<desafder>15 yrs is young to me
05:14<arto>desafder: 2 MB meḿory, usable, but not fastest computer i've used
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05:15<arto>desafder: i've never purchased new computer
05:15<desafder>i code AVR with 2k ram
05:16<arto>desafder: but you could find newer hw quite cheaply
05:17<arto>desafder: I studied z80 assembler, but that was so long ago that no one knew about linux
05:18<desafder>that's not the point i have iso of win 98 ...all form 3.1 till win 10 i can put any of those on the machine so it does it's job
05:18<arto>desafder: you could call that a hobby
05:19<desafder>yes we make a living a fun way
05:19<arto>desafder: but i must go, gmd is quite well documented, i think you can do much to your problem
05:19<arto>bye
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05:19<desafder>thanks
05:19<desafder>bye
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05:35<webmind>hi, anyone got a link to some extensive documentation on how to configure bonding in /etc/network/interfaces ?
05:35<webmind>I find some examples, but would like something more explanatory.
05:35<webmind>man page does not mention it.
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06:14<jamesmc>webmind: If you install ifenslave, there's a lot of info in its README.Debian
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06:22<dolphin>first time ever on a chat
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06:37<webmind>jamesmc: thanks!
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07:26<mojoman>Hi guys and gals. I've got a booting problem, running Buster/Sid on 4.9.0.6-amd. At boot, I get "Failed to start Load Kernel Modules See 'systemctl status systemd-modules-load.service' for details"
07:26<mojoman>"systemctl status systemd-modules-load.service" gives me the following output.
07:26<mojoman>systemd-modules-load[25375]: Failed to find module 'nvida-current'
07:26<mojoman>Note that it actually says nvida, not nvidia. Could it be that there is a typo in the reference somewhee? If so, where?
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07:27<mojoman>If anyone has any ideas what this might be due to, I'd much appreciate it.
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07:29<desafder> <mojoman>: does it boot in recovery mode (console)?
07:31<mojoman>desafder: It actually boot normally as well.
07:31<desafder>then grep all the files for that typo hopefully it's be in a script you can edit
07:32<mojoman>A lot of files to grep .... *lol*
07:33<mojoman>Any ideas of where they are likeliest to be? in /etc?
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07:33<Anarka>did you create a xorg.conf ?
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07:33<mojoman>Didn't manually create a xorg.conf
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07:34<Anarka>/etc/X11/xorg.conf or /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/1
07:34<Anarka>without the 1
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07:37<mojoman>no xorg.conf on the system, "grep --recursive nvida /etc/X11" didn't give any hits
07:38<Anarka>/var/log ?
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07:39<mojoman>A bunch of references,
07:39<mojoman>Module nvida-current not found in directory /lib/modules/3.14-2-amd64
07:40<mojoman>But that's not the kernel I'm running
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07:41<mojoman>That was from boot log btw. No refernece to it in Xorg log
07:43<Anarka>3.14 is old if you still have the package you can probably purge it
07:44<Anarka>then if youre not running that kernel its still odd you see that msg
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07:44<mojoman>yeah, I'll give that a go, see if that's the problem
07:45<Anarka>guess you upgrade from jessie or something
07:45<mojoman>in the entire var/log there was only reference to nvida in syslog and deamon log and boot log
07:45<mojoman>haha, yeah, it's an old install.
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07:53<mojoman>hmm, when I try to remove the 3.14 kernel it says it'll need to remove nvidia-kernel-3.14-2-amd64, which is logical. However, looking at installed packages I don't have the corresponding linux-kernel for 4.9.0-6-amd64. Did I miss something during the upgrade?
07:53<nadersith>good morning
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07:55<cef>mojoman: you still running 3.14 kernel? run `uname -a`
07:55<mojoman>No running 4.9.0-6-amd64
07:56<mojoman>and lsmod says nvidia modules are loaded...
07:56<Anarka>dpkg -l | grep nvidia shows anything ?
07:56<dpkg>ii | grep nvidia shows anything 2.1-14.2 anarka's private porn collection
07:56<Anarka>damn!
07:57<mojoman>haha
07:57<cef>then you should be fine. are you looking at linux-image pkgs?
07:58<mojoman>I get a bunch of installed nvidia packages
07:58<Anarka>any with that version ?
07:58<cef>mojoman: and `dpkg -l linux-image-amd64` ?
08:00<mojoman>No nvida with the kernel version
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08:00<mojoman>dpkg -l linux-image-amd64
08:00<mojoman>dpkg-query: no packages found matching linux-image-amd64
08:00<dpkg>No packages found matching linux-image-amd64
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08:01<cef>mojoman: I'd be installing that `apt install linux-image-amd64`
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08:02<cef>mojoman: you got inxi installed at all? `apt install inxi` then run inxi -G and pastebin it somewhere
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08:02<mojoman>Ok, give it a go. The following packages will be installed :apparmor{a} linux-image-4.15.0-3-amd64{a} linux-image-amd64
08:02<Anarka>hummm
08:03<Anarka>linux-image-4.15.0-3-amd64 will be installed ? :p
08:03<cef>mojoman: you running stretch, stretch-backports, or buster (testing)?
08:03<mojoman>buster, with some sid packages
08:04<cef>ahh ok.. then yes,, that's the latest valid kernel.. 4.16 hasn't made it into buster yet
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08:04<mojoman>still thinking it might be a nvidia kernel issue...
08:04<cef>mojoman: fwiw: sure you're not using nouveau instead of nvidia?
08:05<mojoman>yeah, I'm using nvida
08:05<mojoman>no nouveau loaded, only nvidia
08:06<cef>didn't install nvidia directly rather than via packages?
08:07<mojoman>No, pretty sure it was via packages last time around. Did an upgrade yeasterday but didn't specifically update nvidia. Thought it would be done automagically
08:07<mojoman>The old install had'nt been upgraded for a while *lol*
08:08<Anarka>you should at least install linux-image-amd64
08:08<mojoman>yeah, I did that.
08:08<Anarka>reboot to get the new kernel, if you havent
08:08<mojoman>Haven't rebooted yet though
08:08<cef>mojoman: did it rebuild any dkms modules?
08:08<Anarka>and then try package nvidia-driver
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08:09<mojoman>I'll give it a try. Be right back, I hope. Thank's a bunch guys, you've been more than helpful
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08:14<mojoman>Ok, I still got the same error during boot.
08:15<mojoman>But I'm running 4.15
08:15<mojoman>And I got nvida moduels loaded
08:15<mojoman>very weird
08:15<Anarka>still point to 3.16 ?
08:15<mojoman>might be but i removed that before rebooting
08:16<Anarka>did you purge ?
08:16<mojoman>no, i didn't...
08:16<Anarka>apt-get purge packagename
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08:16<Anarka>its probably some broken link
08:17<Anarka>or rain... one of the two
08:17<mojoman>yeah, I'm starting to suspect broken link or a typo in some old config file
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08:20<mojoman>I'm going to remove all old nvidia kernel packages and see where that gets me.
08:22<mojoman>What bugs me now is that as far as I can tell, I didn't build any dkms module or package nvidia but there are modules loaded. How come?
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10:05<HumanG33k>hello how can i force the reinstall of a package ? i try apt-get install --reinstall but some files are not create again.
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10:08<arto>HumanG33k: what package you need to install?
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10:10<HumanG33k>base-files :)
10:10<arto>HumanG33k: i'd tried: apt purge package, apt install package, force usually generates more problems than solves
10:11<bremner>I doubt purging base-files will be a happy experience
10:12<arto>why need to reinstall them anyway?
10:13<arto>bremner: i know it would pull most of the system, but if has to done, so be it
10:13*jc laffs
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10:16<HumanG33k>for fixing trouble with files from file-bases
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10:18<jomo[m]>Maybe extract the files manually: download the .deb file, do "ar x file.deb", and the content will be in file "data.tar.xz", "unxz" that ... and you can run through the files you might need/adjust.
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10:20<bremner>HumanG33k: some files are created in /var/lib/dpkg/info/base-files.postinst
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10:21<bremner>but perhaps you get other suggestions if you say what specific files are the problem
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10:30<petn-randall>!confmiss
10:30<dpkg>You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>.
10:30<petn-randall>HumanG33k: ^^^
10:31<HumanG33k>ohhh look good thx
10:31<HumanG33k>so much things to learn
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10:36<arto>HumanG33k: sometimes is easier to reinstall, but i dont't recommend anything, it all depends on your experience
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10:46<agtonybarletta>hi, headphone on debian doen't work
10:46<arto>agtonybarletta>
10:47<arto>wired or wireless?
10:47<agtonybarletta>headphone and jack work fine (on window)
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10:47<agtonybarletta>wired
10:47<agtonybarletta>*windows
10:48<arto>agtonybarletta: which debian version?
10:48<agtonybarletta>stretch
10:48<agtonybarletta>v 3.22.2
10:49<arto>agtonybarletta: so you propably have pulseaudio installed?
10:49<agtonybarletta>the problem is the jack
10:49<agtonybarletta>yes
10:50<agtonybarletta>i followed a tutorial that make me chage a conf file of pulseaudio
10:50<agtonybarletta>it didn't work
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10:51<arto>agtonybarletta: I did not need any conf file editing, headphones work just out of the box on all my debian installations
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10:52<arto>agtonybarletta: can you remember which tutorial you used?
10:53<arto>agtonybarletta: but I don't have any windows installations
10:53<arto>agtonybarletta: i don't say it is the problem :)
10:54<agtonybarletta>it was an Ubuntu tutorial. askubuntu.com/questions/132440/headphone-jack-not-working
10:55<agtonybarletta>now i put everything as it was before the tutorial
10:56<arto>agtonybarletta: that tutorial is about alsa, not a word about pulseaudio
10:56<arto>agtonybarletta: stretch has pulseaudio by default, not alsa
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10:57<agtonybarletta>oh, it manage files inside puseaudio folder. i thought was the same
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10:57<agtonybarletta>i was wrong :( my fault
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11:00<arto>agtonybarletta: it happens, i'd see if you have pulseaudio icon somewhere on de:s bars, and if headphones does not work, try changing options
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11:01<arto>agtonybarletta: and ubuntu instructions sometimes work on debian, sometimes not, so need to be careful
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11:03<agtonybarletta>how do I change options ?
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11:05<arto>agtonybarletta: click the black soundspeaker icon, there Audio mixer, and so on
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11:08<arto>agtonybarletta: but first play some music, do you hear it without speakers?
11:09<arto>err, headphones i ment
11:09<agtonybarletta>there is any pulseaudio icon, there is the general dropdown menu that make me change everything (wifi, volume ecc). To go on the sound option I have to go to setting window.
11:09<agtonybarletta>yes, the speaker works
11:10<arto>agtonybarletta: see if you have pulseaudio installed: aptitude search pulseaudio
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11:11<agtonybarletta>however the os recognize the headphone (it shows headphone or speaker)
11:11<arto>agtonybarletta: ok. that is one solution, but can you play music?
11:11<agtonybarletta>but no sound come out
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11:11<arto>agtonybarletta: even from loudspeakers?
11:12<agtonybarletta>yes
11:13<arto>agtonybarletta: ok, now plugin headphones, and you cant hear anything?
11:13<agtonybarletta>i don't have aptitude but seems that pulseaudio is intalled
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11:13<agtonybarletta>no, no sound came out
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11:14<agtonybarletta>it has worked for 3 months
11:14<arto>agtonybarletta: that will do, i have also pulseaudio-utils, and plugin for my de
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11:14<arto>agtonybarletta: now click that black loudspeaker icon, if it is on config menu or somewhere else
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11:18<arto>agtonybarletta: the idea is use Audio mixer, and inspect there is you have working sound system and headphones plugged in
11:19<arto>agtonybarletta: sorry, i have to go now, but this question was also discussed on http://forums.debian.net
11:19<agtonybarletta>no working sound when headphobe pluged in
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11:20<agtonybarletta>ok, thanks anyway:)
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12:01<crzh0rs>how do you change a nameserver ip in debian?
12:03<retrospectacus>!resolv.conf
12:03<dpkg>/etc/resolv.conf is a resolver configuration file that contains your nameserver IPs. It is written by your DHCP client. To use different nameservers than those provided by DHCP, ask me about <override dns>. See also <fixresolvconf>.
12:03<crzh0rs>thank you dpkg
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12:51<omixam>debian is showing new updates message, bu not updates are download after apt-get upgrade
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12:55<annadane>omixam, what message?
12:55<lewis>hola
12:55<annadane>!es
12:55<dpkg>Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
12:55<annadane>lewis, ^
12:55<arto>omixian: you don't always have packages installed that get new updates, that happens requently for every one
12:56<annadane>omixam, try apt update first
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12:56<annadane>arto, you possibly tab auto completed incorrectly
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12:56<annadane>unless they keep changing their name
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12:57<annadane>or didn't bother and just typed the name manually
12:57<arto>annadane: i have no problems at all, do apt update && apt update always when i get email from new security updates
12:57<arto>of course apt update && apt upgrade !!
12:57<petn-randall>was about to say :)
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13:00<omixam>I tried # apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
13:00<omixam>But it is the same
13:00<omixam>updates are not downloaded
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13:01<annadane>omixam, possible your mirror hasn't been updated yet
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13:01<annadane>what do you mean new update message? like, an email?
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13:02<omixam>desktop notification
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13:03<omixam>I haven't update Debian for about 1 month
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13:03<annadane>well, that's weird. can you paste the line where it says x packages upgraded, x packages installed, x packages removed, x packages not upgraded? is it all zeroes?
13:03<petn-randall>omixam: Can you paste the *complete* output of that command to https://paste.debian.net?
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13:04<annadane>also, that
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13:08<omixam>https://paste.debian.net/1022700/
13:08<omixam>Sorry output is in Spanish
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13:09<petn-randall>omixam: I don't see any problem. Your packages are up-to-date.
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13:09<arto>omixiam: to me eye everything ok, though i don't understand any spanish
13:10<arto>omiximian: just i said first, you don't have every possible debian package installed
13:11<annadane>but if it's a desktop notification ...
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13:11<annadane>that possibly indicates a cache problems
13:11<annadane>problem*
13:12<annadane>it may be something like pk-update-icon or some gnome tool
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13:15<omixam>it could be, but is stange because there are recently updates that I haven't installed yet
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13:16<annadane>by the way, in future if you want to post more complicated output that people can't read because it's in spanish, try localized errors
13:16<annadane>!localized errors
13:16<dpkg>To provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install".
13:18<arto>and less typing if write apt instead apt-get
13:18<omixam>thanks, Iam going to have it present
13:18<annadane>stuff like apt upgrade is legible because it's the same form everyone is familiar with
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13:21<arto>anandane: i've read a book of one debian developer, who explained that apt-get was never planned to widely used, but apt was not ready, so it hard to change people habits. But apt-get still works, so no big problem.
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13:22<sdk>arto: apt isn't a replacement for apt-get
13:22<arto>sdk: apt-get is for apt
13:23<arto>sdk. though apt warns's that it might now work in scripts'
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13:23<arto>not work !!
13:23<annadane>arto, you can use tab completion for names if your irc client supports it
13:23<annadane>arto, and for scripting, apt-get is preferred to apt
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13:24<arto>anandane: I clearly need more practice in typing
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13:30<arto>and to read more precisely, annadane
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14:12<omixam>I found that one debian repository is failing, see here https://imgur.com/a/QFwZLS0
14:12<petn-randall>omixam: What is this picture from?
14:13<omixam>from my Debian pc
14:14<dboles>that much is obvious. what program specifically
14:14<omixam>Synaptic
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14:19<VV>hi
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14:20<petn-randall>omixam: If you run 'LANG=C apt-get update', what output do you get? → https://paste.debian.net
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14:28<jhutchins>!mirror status
14:28<dpkg>Debian mirrors have timestamp files we use to determine how recently they have been updated. Here are some statistics the mirror maintainers provide: http://mirror.debian.org/status.html and http://ftp.de.debian.org/dmc/today/ Ask me about <mirrors>. #debian-mirrors on irc.oftc.net.
14:28<dboles>lol, that 1st link is not found
14:29<dboles>who checks the status of the status-checkers?
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14:29<annadane>status checkers all the way down
14:29<Blacker47>first link don't work (http://mirror.debian.org/status.html)
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14:32<Blacker47>and the second one has <img> logos with absolute path that don't works...
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14:40<arto>i'm off, thanks for the hints!
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15:48<jordemort>hello
15:48<jordemort>i'm working on packaging a thing that has not previously been packaged for debian, and i am thinking of submitting that package when i am done so i want to do the things correctly
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15:48<jordemort>the upstream repo is in git, and i have been using git-buildpackage
15:49<jordemort>the tricky thing is that it is an autoconf based project, but the configure script isn't commited to the repo
15:49<jordemort>i.e. you've got to check it out and generate that stuff yourself
15:49<dboles>(non packager here) wait, is that not the norm?
15:49<jordemort>should i include the generated configure script in my .orig.tar.gz?
15:50<annadane>jordemort, i'd perhaps ask also on #debian-mentors, if no one knows the answer here
15:50<jordemort>dboles: it varies, i've seen it both ways
15:50<bremner>jordemort: are you upstream?
15:50<jordemort>annadane: ok i'll hang out a bit here and then go over there if nobody seems to know
15:50<dboles>i've seen with other generated files, the response is usually 'ugh, this is horrible, but i guess it may be easier for some users/contributors'
15:50<jordemort>bremner: i am not upstream
15:51<bremner>jordemort: then if upstream does not commit it, you should not either, IMHO.
15:51<dboles>i can't imagine debian having any problem with having to run auto(gen|reconf) in any case
15:51<bremner>dh-autoreconf is there for that
15:52<jordemort>that's the way i was leaning as well, and the problem i was having was that the configure script was losing its executable bit when it was represented as a patch
15:53<jordemort>i.e. i did dpkg-source commit, and then that put the generated files in a patch in debian/patches, but then when you apply that patch then configure / ltmain.sh etc are no longer +x and so the package doesn't work
15:53<dboles>what are your reasons for thinking debian needs you to provide it anyway? i'd expect, and it sounds like, it can already handle all that
15:53<dboles>i.e. could handle a package with pretty much only configure.ac and Makefile.am
15:53<jordemort>you mean i don't need to pre-generate it?
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15:53<jordemort>it'll get created for me on the fly?
15:53<jordemort>by dh_autoreconf perhaps or some such?
15:53<dboles>let someone else really answer, but i cant imagine it being usual/good to include all the generated autotools cruft
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15:54<jordemort>i should try it w/o generating it and see if that works, that hadn't even occurred to me
15:54<dboles>https://wiki.debian.org/Autoreconf
15:55*dboles just stopped using autotools and lived in bliss for the rest of time
15:55<jordemort>aha
15:55<jordemort>dboles: thanks, that looks like it has everything i need to know!
15:55<bremner>jordemort: there's two channels dedicated to packaging, btw: #packaging, and #debian-mentors. The second is for packages destined for the debian archive.
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15:56<dboles>sounds like basically (A) don't add/patch any generated files and (B) if upstream does, keep including them, but let deiban overwrite them :P
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15:57<jordemort>bremner: thanks, when i get something together that i'm not totally embarassed by i'll drop by #debian-mentors and see if i can get mentored :D
15:57<bremner>jordemort: well, you might get better help there in general
15:58*annadane understood absolutely none of that entire conversation
15:58<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>Does the Debian wiki block access from people who use vpn's?
15:59<annadane>not as a matter of policy
15:59<annadane>it has happened to people before and i'm not sure what the solution is
16:02<ElToro-Y-ElCuernos>Huh, it works in Tor browser. That's nice to know
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17:20<anarcat>i have a thinkpad x220 and the touchpad is behaving strangely... the trackpoint works fine but the touchpad feels like it has too coarse of a resolution
17:20<anarcat>like the cursor "jumps" around the screen
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17:21<anarcat>it doesn't shift one pixel at a time, even if i go really slow on the touchpad
17:21<anarcat>i've dug through all of the synaptics(4) manpage and i can't figure it out
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17:25<anarcat>looks like i have this bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1264453
17:28<ais-admin_>anarcat: I have better luck not using the synaptics driver - I just use a standard mouse driver.
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19:55<anarcat>ais-admin_: how do you do that?
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19:57<dboles>you said synaptics, but that bug is about libinput. which are you using?
19:58<dboles>and apparently that was fixed for libinput; see the latest comments there
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19:59<dboles>the cause was ascribed to a buggy lenovo firmware update; it's possible the synaptics drive never shopped an equivalent fix
19:59<dboles>*shipped
19:59<rob_debian>Hi all, please, I'd like to download a complete playlist using 'youtube-dl', but no so sure how parameters to use for this purpose: in this example: youtube-dl -F "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU5ltW6dZQ8&index=2&list=PLQut38RVINERGeT43YPeiMBmrTMckfF1i" should I use '--playlist-start NUMBER' parameter to download a complete playlist without interruption ?
19:59<anarcat>dboles: i don't quite know which one i'm using - the default i guess? how do i tell?
20:00<rob_debian>I use debian stretch 9.4
20:00<anarcat>xorg.log says: [ 53.411] (II) Using input driver 'synaptics' for 'SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad'
20:01<anarcat>but i never specified that anywhere...
20:01<anarcat>aka i don't have a xorg.conf
20:01<dboles>its pretty much a function of what drivers you have installed. a conf is only needed if you want to override defaults
20:02<dboles>you could try swapping xserver-xorg-input-libinput & xserver-xorg-input-synaptics packages, but first i would suggest checking whether synaptics got a fix for this, as the switch to libinput may do other things you won't like, if it ends up being unnecessary
20:02<anarcat>ah, and the LIBINPUT_MODEL_LENOVO_X220_TOUCHPAD_FW81=1 hack *does* get trigger according to udevadm test
20:02<dboles>(that said, if it *did* get a fix, i'd expect stretch to have it already)
20:02<anarcat>yeah, this is stretch
20:03<anarcat>so i got libinput installed already, i guess i can remove xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
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20:05<anarcat>so i guess i need to restart x now?
20:05<dboles>probably. i don't remember much about when i made the same switch (though for some different, less important reason)
20:06<anarcat>dboles: thanks, the libinput driver works much better
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20:07<anarcat>it even seems to be detecting palm input better
20:07<anarcat>woot
20:07<dboles>bonus!!
20:07<dboles>iirc i tried both, said 'well, libinput seems to be the way forward if you believe the hype, plus it detects taps faster', and that was that!
20:08*dboles may have just overlooked a synaptics setting that would change tap response time, but oh well
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20:09<anarcat>yeah
20:09<grove>rob_debian: It has been a while since I used the playlist festures of youtube-dl but if I remember correctly it just starts downloading all the videos in the playlist if you don't give it any arguments, it also does so here if I try with your url. In your example "-F" causes it to just list the available formats of every video, there are options to select a specific format for a video, but I ...
20:09<grove>... have no idea how those work with playlist, where videos might be available in different formats.
20:09*anarcat drank the coolaid
20:09<anarcat>mm... but now it doesn't detect taps :p
20:10<dboles>anarcat: there should be a setting for that in your DE, e.g. GNOME has "Tap to Click"
20:10<anarcat>yeah well... i don't *have* a desktop environment :p
20:10<dboles>i imagine it'd not get carried over from the synaptics driver
20:10<anarcat>running i3 here
20:10<anarcat>yeah
20:10*anarcat guesses there's some magic xinput incantation
20:11<dboles>https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Libinput#Via_Xorg_configuration_file
20:11<rob_debian>Hi grove, thanks for information ! nice to see you here too :) when you say: 'don't give it any arguments', should I eliminate -F too ?
20:11<dboles>anarcat: no escape from xorg.conf!
20:12<dboles>anarcat: to be fair, i bought this laptop with windows 7 and a mechanical hard drive, and a crap touchpad drive that literally only recognised single-clicks and (probably?) vertical scrolls... so booting into linux with an ssd and (any) proper touchpad driver was like, 'ah yes, this is the machine i spend £1000 on'
20:13<dboles>*scrolls up* ah yes, there should be an xinput rune for that indeed
20:13<anarcat>dboles: xinput set-prop 11 'libinput Tapping Enabled' 1
20:13<anarcat>:)
20:13<anarcat>man, this machine i spent *150$* on :)
20:13<anarcat>such a good "investment"
20:14<bremner>because nothing says quality UI like arbitrary numbers
20:14<anarcat>bremner: aint it so
20:14<dboles>hehe. this one was excessive, but hey, manufactured mid 2012 and still going strong, with new disk/ram/cpu!
20:14<anarcat>i should probably use the input device name instead :p
20:15<anarcat>yeah that worked xinput set-prop 'SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad' 'libinput Tapping Enabled' 1
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20:15<anarcat>i love how that thing still says PS/2
20:15<dboles>bremner: i think such cryptic lines are the reason to keep such files in git, at least if we want to avoid them ending up more comments than code...
20:16<dboles>oh (and i'll shut up after this), the best thing? it used to hit 100 C and throttle down as soon as the cpu was stressed, but after a repaste with cryonaut, it could probably rest at 80 C forever
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20:18<anarcat>that's interesting
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20:18<anarcat>what's cryonaut
20:19<dboles>Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut (sp.?), a very high-conductivity thermal paste. Basically, a lot of laptops roll off the line with bad paste, applied worse
20:19<anarcat>i see
20:19<anarcat>this could be what was happening with my previous x120e
20:20<anarcat>it would spin up to 60C immediately on boot
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20:20<dboles>Linux was the 1st time I ever heard the fan go off!
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20:22<dboles>the other typical thing is the case just filling up with dust over the years...
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20:28<bblough>rob_debian: I just looked through my history, and the last playlist I downloaded, I just did youtube-dl https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=<your_list_id_here> with no other args, and it pulled down the entire list
20:30<rob_debian>hi bblough, nice to know you ! Thanks for help ! Let me see if I can put it in practice your information.
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20:31<rob_debian>not so clear this last part, bllough: <your_list_id_here>... for example, the following example: youtube-dl https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeV3zgQV-Ss.. ?
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20:31<rob_debian>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeV3zgQV-Ss without commas ?
20:31<bblough>The playlist has it's own id
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20:32<bblough>That video desmt
20:32<bblough>That video doesn't appear to be part of a playlist
20:32<rob_debian>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeV3zgQV-Ss&list=PLQut38RVINERGeT43YPeiMBmrTMckfF1i&index=3
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20:33<rob_debian>the playlist id would be 'PLQut38RVINERGeT43YPeiMBmrTMckfF1i&index=3' ?
20:33<dboles>drop the &index=blah
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20:34<bblough>yes, if you use the /playlist link, you want the list=PLQut38RVINERGeT43YPeiMBmrTMckfF1i
20:35<bblough>so it would be /playlistlist=PLQut38RVINERGeT43YPeiMBmrTMckfF1i
20:35<bblough>sorry, so it would be /playlist?list=PLQut38RVINERGeT43YPeiMBmrTMckfF1i
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20:35<rob_debian>I see, and without &index=3 at the end.... right ?
20:35<bblough>right
20:35<blahman>quick question, I am trying to use raspbian lite as a headless OS. I tried using the "sudo passwd" command to change my board's default password. Upon restart the new password doesn't work. only the default one did. Since raspbian/rasbpian lite is based off of debian, I figured maybe I was doing something wrong that had to do with debian itself
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20:36<rob_debian>fine, bblough, I'll put it practice in few minutes, a little bit busy here, for I'm at work. I'll be back and put in practice your support. Really thank you very much, bblough !:)
20:37<rob_debian>and I don't use commas ?
20:37<rob_debian>youtube-dl https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=... without commas ?
20:37<dboles>you could just try it and see!
20:37<dboles>you probably won't blow up youtube
20:38<rob_debian>fine dboles :)
20:39<blahman>parting..
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20:56<awal1>rob_debian: that is easy. notice that all playlist links are as follow "www....list=PLabcd" ?PL? means playlist
20:57<awal1>"so just run youtube-dl PLabcd"
20:57<awal1>"youtube-dl PLabcd"
20:59<rob_debian>Hi awall1, nice to see you here again ! using the same example as I used with bblough, so it would be: 'PLQut38RVINERGeT43YPeiMBmrTMckfF1i' ok ?
21:00<awal1>--playlist-start yournumber is for ask youtube-dl to start from a specific video in the playlist
21:00<rob_debian>I see
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21:00<awal1>youtube-dl PLQut38RVINERGeT43YPeiMBmrTMckfF1i
21:00<awal1>just run that without comas, quotes
21:01<rob_debian>not my case, for I want all the videos from this specific playlist, ok, awal1, thanks for support !
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21:01<rob_debian>thank you very much bblough for attention and great support ! nice to know you from here !:)
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21:01<awal1>again, just run youtube-dl PLQut38RVINERGeT43YPeiMBmrTMckfF1i and you'll get all the playlist
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21:02<rob_debian>thank you very much you too, awal1, for great support and attention ! You always provide me help here :)
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21:14<rob_debian>Please, awal1 and bblough, see that: https://paste.debian.net/1022757/
21:17<awal1> video coding error or similar issue, just skip that video
21:17<awal1>it happens usually
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21:18<rob_debian>strange...when I used parameter -F to them, it was fine, but I had to downloaded them 'one at a time'
21:19<poogle>I'm seeing these CPU temperature messages at boot: https://paste.pound-python.org/show/uECauR0m54aqVSgdotLe/ ... what should I do about this?
21:19<rob_debian>when I bring it down one at a time, everyone is downloaded. Only when I try to download the complete playlist, it gives an error and I can not complete the download.
21:20<poogle>I'm also getting these ACPI errors, which might be related: https://paste.pound-python.org/show/3BFuPQ2NgTDhWncKa5Am/
21:22<awal1>rob_debian you can ask in #debian channel on Freenode server also
21:22<rob_debian>I know, awal1, but why should I do it ?
21:23<awal1>there are more users there , more chance
21:24<somiaj>poogle: have you checked your BIOS/fimware? Make srue the temperatures there are correct, also look for settings like 'non windows os' or things like that. Sometimes that helps with acpi.
21:24<somiaj>poogle: also what kernel and debian version are you running?
21:24<blast007>"Temporary failure in name resolution" means that you were using DNS issues
21:24<blast007>rob_debian: ^
21:26<blast007>rob_debian: there is also a #youtube-dl channel on Freenode
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21:27<poogle>somiaj, that's a good idea - I haven't looked through bios settings will do. ... I am running kernel 4.15.0-3-amd64 on sid. But the problem occured on this same laptop running stable as well. it's a new laptop, and I've been having lots of firmware related issues
21:27<poogle>somiaj, I will reboot and check bios and then come back
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21:31<rob_debian>ok awal1, thanks for suggestion and for attention too !:)
21:32<rob_debian>hi blast007, nice to meet you too !, I'll follow your suggestion and get some information and support at #youtube-dl channel too, blast007, thank you very much for that !
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22:54<kkremitzki>Humm, so it looks like the planet-venus software is broken out of the box currently, that's a bummer
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22:57<sney>what's that
22:58<kkremitzki>The blog aggregator
22:59<sney>doesn't seem to be in the archive
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23:05<kkremitzki>Yeah it looks like it's having quite a bit of problems... it's available in Jessie but didn't make it to stretch
23:06<kkremitzki>I wonder what they are doing at planet.debian.org
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23:08<kkremitzki>Looks like it does work in jessie though, but not sid (I know, #debian-next)
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